Thanks for the video and useful info. Having issues with heavy hammer spring resulting in severe hammer bounce. I purchased the Kratos model and it initially shot very well. At about 1,500 shots I started to here very loud hammer strike on the valve. When turning transfer port to less than 50%. About 150 shots after that the hammer bounce issue started.and became progressively worse! Sent it back to Crosman and received a brand new Kratos, which did the same exact thing! Spoke with technical support and they suggested decreasing hammer spring tension. After removing the stock I attempted to back the screw out, only to find it only had half a turn of available counterclockwise adjustment available. I literally love the gun’s accuracy, the smooth action and aesthetics, but this should not be happening to 2 different new from the box rifles. Im sending it back to Crosman and let them sort it out. Glad to share and let you know my experience and assure you your excessive hammer spring issues are not an anomaly. Thank you for all the great info and truly honest reviews.
Thanks for taking the time to call Crosman and then sharing the call results. I have both a Cayden and Akela with cliff shot strings. Both guns are very accurate - and cycle very nicely. I will definitely try the 3,300 fill pressure and see if it improves the shot string. If it does, that is an easy fix to make a good gun even better.
I'm just glad to hear that the CSR from Crosman sounded pretty knowledgeable. I didn't expect that honestly. I figured they'd have a basic "troubleshooting list" to go over with you on the phone and have you send it in, or directions to remedy it possibly. Definitely interesting video.
Great informational and instructional review, James. Thanks for all you do and the hard work! At the $600 price point that air rifle should be able to shoot decent groups all the way out to 100 yards out of the box. It is pretty though!
Hi james i forgot to ask you if you cheaked the guage on the gun against a wika or some quality guage as my guage reads 300 psi higher that my high quality wika and my hill mk5 pro pump which are dead on thanks
Awsome video James i have the new bengamin cayden in 22 and my gun guage is out 300 psi higher than my hill mk5 pcp pump when i fill my gun to 2700 psi on the pump guage the guage on my gun says 3000 psi so i fill the gun to 3200 psi and then i get the proper shot curve.With tranfer port on max and a 3200 fill i get about 42 full power shots with the hammer spring at 1 and 1/2 turns in from flush with reciever.If i turn the spring out to flush no preload i lose 50 fps and if i turn the spring in clockwise past 2 and a half turns i also lose about 50 feet per second so now 1 and a half in at 3200 max trans port for first clip then next two clips trans port one notch down from max then for next clip then after 3rd clip trans port back to full for last or 4th clip after 42-48 shots then the velocity starts to drop ..Thanks james for all your drdication to the airgun sport and i for one realy appreciate all your work and dedication..Happy shooting
Yep, mine has the same issue of velocity drop from 3000 psi. I’m looking forward to trying 3300 psi. It is a very accurate gun for a few shots before the dropping of velocity.
I believe he’s right in stating that shortening the spring does not decrease the power of the spring. One would have to grind the thickness of the spring down to lighten it in my opinion 🤷🏻♂️
I'd rather fill higher and keep the velocity up than cut coils and lose velocity and possibly cut too much and have to wait on a new spring. Thanks for the tip! I also backed my hammer spring out which closed the groups some so maybe the higher fill will do even better. My pocket chrony will be here today so I'll double check my shot string first.
Any trigger slop adjustment tricks? I haven't cocked it and shot it yet, but seemed like the trigger has a good amount of side to side play. Maybe it's ok and doesn't affect anything?
As much as I like Crosman, they are lying about the problem with the hammer spring on the Akela. I own a .177 Akela and with the transfer port knob wide open, it shoots JSB 10.3 pellets at 1050fps (WAY too high) when the fill pressure is 3000psi and that fps steadily drops. Adjusting the transfer port knob is unreliable and hard to dial in at any desired fps, and at best and has little effect on efficiency. If I only need 10 or so shots, that is fine, but the gun is not efficient and much louder than necessary in this configuration. Crosman/Benjamin have made a few guns that are not optimally tuned out of the box. This is one of them. (heavy sigh) I did get a decent deal on a new Akela, but considering the short LOP along with this problem, I am wondering if I will ever buy another Crosman/Benjamin airgun again. Thanks for the video!
Hammer spring. Somebody, at the factory , either put the wrong hammer spring in or the spring provider changed or mislabeled something. It has to be the hammer spring. Is there a spring maker or tester in the house? Seven hours later: Could it be , that spring is expected to fatigue a bit after a thousand rounds or so, then fall into spec?
I’ve read in several Forums to cut three coils off the hammer spring. It worked ! I average 885 FPS now and get 60+ shots . so yes you’re right. Hammer spring is too strong .
Hi James great video, did you ever try your Akela with the hammer spring set in with 6+1/2 turns of preload my Cayden has 14 total complete turns in to reach hammer spring bind but I get the highest velocity from all pellets at this setting and doesn’t seam to use much more air ? Interested on herding your comments on this so my hammer spring is 6+1/2 turns in or 50% preload and trans port fully open with a 3000 psi fill and shoots great for about 36 full power shots.Thanks a bunch and love your channel
Kind of sucks that you can't use the air /psi between 1500 - 2400. Would be awesone if there was more hammer adjustment or something? To get more shots (maybe a 4th mag?) And still keep a flat curve. I just bought one, .177cal. Just showed up. Need to find sometime this weekend to get it setup! Thanks for the video! I'll see what it does right out of the box, then maybe try your trick. Fill to 3300psi and adjust the hammer spring if needed.
Interesting, I really like to buy one of these. I like the bullpup config... There need to be a new measurement, we have MOA, we need MOS (minute of squirrel).
James how about the Benjamin Cayden? as the appearance between the two, Cayden has the edge in stock and the traditional shape of a hunting rifle! I only have seen two reviews about it,one from a Canadian blogger, & the other one is Rick of Shooter 1721, he had only a brief review of it but had a chronied 5 shot I think?
Wondering if my kratos is having the same problem? My groups at 50 yards are horrible! I have heard nothing but good reviews on the kratos at 50 yards. Should I try this because they are made basically the same ?
They are junk! Shouldn't have to be taking something apart that you buy new. Sell it and buy a ligit company air rifle like Kral Arms with a power wheel on them or save up longer and buy a ligit quality air rifle like a Air Arms or FX! Problem solved
You are the only one that can hear the velocity. My 177 is being filled to 33000 and I am not getting very good accuracy . I can’t get below 25000 and have any accuracy
Good basic info for people who don't know how unregulated rifles work. I'd also mentioned I've had a few rifles that the fill gage were not correct. My Akela being one and recently my Hatsen Neutron star. I wouldn't have ever known unless I didn't compare to my fill tanks and gages on them and my compressors. Never trust fill gages or regulator gages to be spot on, or to even remain that way over time.😉
I absolutely love my akela!
definitely nice gun!
That was a truly informative video. One of the best I have watched. Great work!
Thanks for the video and useful info.
Having issues with heavy hammer spring resulting in severe hammer bounce.
I purchased the Kratos model and it initially shot very well. At about 1,500 shots I started to here very loud hammer strike on the valve.
When turning transfer port to less than 50%. About 150 shots after that the hammer bounce issue started.and became progressively worse! Sent it back to Crosman and received a brand new Kratos, which did the same exact thing!
Spoke with technical support and they suggested decreasing hammer spring tension. After removing the stock I attempted to back the screw out, only to find it only had half a turn of available counterclockwise adjustment available.
I literally love the gun’s accuracy, the smooth action and aesthetics, but this should not be happening to 2 different new from the box rifles. Im sending it back to Crosman and let them sort it out.
Glad to share and let you know my experience and assure you your excessive hammer spring issues are not an anomaly.
Thank you for all the great info and truly honest reviews.
Great content. Great job
Thanks for taking the time to call Crosman and then sharing the call results. I have both a Cayden and Akela with cliff shot strings. Both guns are very accurate - and cycle very nicely. I will definitely try the 3,300 fill pressure and see if it improves the shot string. If it does, that is an easy fix to make a good gun even better.
No prob thanks!
I'm just glad to hear that the CSR from Crosman sounded pretty knowledgeable. I didn't expect that honestly. I figured they'd have a basic "troubleshooting list" to go over with you on the phone and have you send it in, or directions to remedy it possibly.
Definitely interesting video.
Thanks!
Thanks for the video. Just bought an Akela and have the same issue. FPS started at 935 and dropped steadily to 808 over 36 shots.
3300 looked like the magic number.👍
yep!
Great informational and instructional review, James. Thanks for all you do and the hard work! At the $600 price point that air rifle should be able to shoot decent groups all the way out to 100 yards out of the box. It is pretty though!
Yep thanks!
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Hi james i forgot to ask you if you cheaked the guage on the gun against a wika or some quality guage as my guage reads 300 psi higher that my high quality wika and my hill mk5 pro pump which are dead on thanks
What's up James!👊🏿 Very educational video Bro! Well done and great explaining!👍🏿😁
Awsome video James i have the new bengamin cayden in 22 and my gun guage is out 300 psi higher than my hill mk5 pcp pump when i fill my gun to 2700 psi on the pump guage the guage on my gun says 3000 psi so i fill the gun to 3200 psi and then i get the proper shot curve.With tranfer port on max and a 3200 fill i get about 42 full power shots with the hammer spring at 1 and 1/2 turns in from flush with reciever.If i turn the spring out to flush no preload i lose 50 fps and if i turn the spring in clockwise past 2 and a half turns i also lose about 50 feet per second so now 1 and a half in at 3200 max trans port for first clip then next two clips trans port one notch down from max then for next clip then after 3rd clip trans port back to full for last or 4th clip after 42-48 shots then the velocity starts to drop ..Thanks james for all your drdication to the airgun sport and i for one realy appreciate all your work and dedication..Happy shooting
Yep, mine has the same issue of velocity drop from 3000 psi. I’m looking forward to trying 3300 psi. It is a very accurate gun for a few shots before the dropping of velocity.
James, could your gun pressure gauge be off?
no I cross check my guns
Bro it ain't the guage that's off in this video
I believe he’s right in stating that shortening the spring does not decrease the power of the spring. One would have to grind the thickness of the spring down to lighten it in my opinion 🤷🏻♂️
I'd rather fill higher and keep the velocity up than cut coils and lose velocity and possibly cut too much and have to wait on a new spring. Thanks for the tip! I also backed my hammer spring out which closed the groups some so maybe the higher fill will do even better. My pocket chrony will be here today so I'll double check my shot string first.
Awesome!
Any trigger slop adjustment tricks? I haven't cocked it and shot it yet, but seemed like the trigger has a good amount of side to side play. Maybe it's ok and doesn't affect anything?
I'm still interested how you tuned it ????
As much as I like Crosman, they are lying about the problem with the hammer spring on the Akela.
I own a .177 Akela and with the transfer port knob wide open, it shoots JSB 10.3 pellets at 1050fps (WAY too high) when the fill pressure is 3000psi and that fps steadily drops.
Adjusting the transfer port knob is unreliable and hard to dial in at any desired fps, and at best and has little effect on efficiency.
If I only need 10 or so shots, that is fine, but the gun is not efficient and much louder than necessary in this configuration.
Crosman/Benjamin have made a few guns that are not optimally tuned out of the box. This is one of them. (heavy sigh)
I did get a decent deal on a new Akela, but considering the short LOP along with this problem, I am wondering if I will ever buy another Crosman/Benjamin airgun again.
Thanks for the video!
I sure won’t they are not near as fast as the videos and people make them out to be should have bought an fx
Hammer spring. Somebody, at the factory , either put the wrong hammer spring in or the spring provider changed or mislabeled something. It has to be the hammer spring. Is there a spring maker or tester in the house?
Seven hours later:
Could it be , that spring is expected to fatigue a bit after a thousand rounds or so, then fall into spec?
who knows!
I’ve read in several Forums to cut three coils off the hammer spring. It worked ! I average 885 FPS now and get 60+ shots . so yes you’re right. Hammer spring is too strong .
Hi James great video, did you ever try your Akela with the hammer spring set in with 6+1/2 turns of preload my Cayden has 14 total complete turns in to reach hammer spring bind but I get the highest velocity from all pellets at this setting and doesn’t seam to use much more air ? Interested on herding your comments on this so my hammer spring is 6+1/2 turns in or 50% preload and trans port fully open with a 3000 psi fill and shoots great for about 36 full power shots.Thanks a bunch and love your channel
Thanks! And I have not, I couldn't get it to shoot very well with hammerspring settings more than at lowest settings
Kind of sucks that you can't use the air /psi between 1500 - 2400. Would be awesone if there was more hammer adjustment or something? To get more shots (maybe a 4th mag?) And still keep a flat curve.
I just bought one, .177cal. Just showed up. Need to find sometime this weekend to get it setup!
Thanks for the video! I'll see what it does right out of the box, then maybe try your trick. Fill to 3300psi and adjust the hammer spring if needed.
Interesting, I really like to buy one of these. I like the bullpup config... There need to be a new measurement, we have MOA, we need MOS (minute of squirrel).
Did you check and find out how much psi your air tank can handle alex
great video..!!
Great info
James how about the Benjamin Cayden? as the appearance between the two, Cayden has the edge in stock and the traditional shape of a hunting rifle! I only have seen two reviews about it,one from a Canadian blogger, & the other one is Rick of Shooter 1721, he had only a brief review of it but had a chronied 5 shot I think?
So over filling is better than cutting the spring???
Yea, overfilling carefully wont cost you a 5 year warranty
Wondering if my kratos is having the same problem? My groups at 50 yards are horrible! I have heard nothing but good reviews on the kratos at 50 yards. Should I try this because they are made basically the same ?
They are junk! Shouldn't have to be taking something apart that you buy new. Sell it and buy a ligit company air rifle like Kral Arms with a power wheel on them or save up longer and buy a ligit quality air rifle like a Air Arms or FX! Problem solved
You are the only one that can hear the velocity. My 177 is being filled to 33000 and I am not getting very good accuracy . I can’t get below 25000 and have any accuracy
Good basic info for people who don't know how unregulated rifles work.
I'd also mentioned I've had a few rifles that the fill gage were not correct. My Akela being one and recently my Hatsen Neutron star. I wouldn't have ever known unless I didn't compare to my fill tanks and gages on them and my compressors. Never trust fill gages or regulator gages to be spot on, or to even remain that way over time.😉
Thanks and yea I cross check my guns from a StikMAn scba fill gauge and air compressor
Like watching paint dry👊
Anyway Very low power For such a good looking pcp.
Totaly agree mine same but it is a tack driver barely 200 fps faster then my weihrauch hw80 in 22
This video was painful
hi unfortunately this video is blocked in our country, you can send it to me on whatsap