Wow! One of the best mock-ups I’ve heard! And also, John Powell 🤩 Would love it so much if you could do a walkthrough of how you got the sound to be so similar to the original! It sounds amazing! 👏🏻
Thanks Luka! Yeah his writing is amazing! I have been thinking about doing some walkthroughs, but tbh there's not much in here that's out of the ordinary technique-wise. The same old tricks with lots of articulation layering and then a lot of ABing to the original!
Sir... It is clearly the best brass i've ever heard on any mock-up ever. I'm not exaggerating, I thought it was a norm for even the best mock-ups to have this a bit sample-sounding brass, but you proved me wrong... And that's incredibly motivating! I'm sorry, I know you wrote all the libraries in the description, but what libraries were primarily used for trumpets and horns? Because no demo I've ever heard sounded so realistic, so I assume they are probably layered. Thank you so much for the mock-up and it would be really great if you could answer!❤
Thanks so much, really means a lot to hear that! Still sounds quite sample-y to me but hopefully, some of this info is helpful: With brass, it's a complicated answer because I use such a mixture of things, and layer my favourite articulations from each library. For the horns, the marcatos and longs are JXL and SSB with fluid shorts horns as a staccato accent layer. Angry brass solo horn also makes a good layer to emphasise parts. Every now and then there might be an AR horn tenuto in there. Each library's marcatos have different shapes of decay as well as timbre, and it's a case of choosing the one that sounds closest to the reference track. Trumpets are a mixture of East West, SSB and AR, but no one line was exclusively one library. The most suitable articulation from each one was used. Trombones at that time were almost all JXL, with the occasional angry brass accent. However, I don't think which specific libraries are as important as the approach you take to using them. I should also say that I mess with my libraries a lot in Kontakt, with timings, intonation, filters etc... And libs like JXL and AR I resample into kontakt and rebuild them if I want to change the programming to suit me more. Learning to reprogram samples made the biggest improvement to my mockups. Don't be afraid to layer a staccato with a marcato with a long sample, even if they are from all different sample vendors! What I do avoid is blindly blending 3 trumpet libraries playing the same line together as it usually results in the section sounding synthy. I like distant/diffuse mics and thinning out my brass anyway as I find most brass samples to sound unnaturally big anyway!
@@gregstuckey6385Wow, thank you very much for such an in-depth reply! I'm very new to a lot of this stuff, I've been writing orchestral music for almost 10 years, but all of that was written on a mobile phone... I'm not joking, I found dozens of ways to use VSTs in my app to their extreme, and they are surprisingly good for mobile and maybe even moderately okay for some... Cheap orchestral library I guess?) I needed to find hundreds of ways to use their potential to its limits to find the most realistic articulations and ranges in them to write some advanced and sometimes cool action stuff... But it also narrowed the creative possibilities and real ranges in some ways, so I've always wanted to work in a real DAW with professional libraries and maybe with enough free time, will and money... I'll finally make a transition towards it :) I'm sorry for putting this personal story here, shortly I wanted to say that your mock-up, knowledge and experience revived my motivation to actually try and make an effort to this. So thank you again for that! I wish you the bright future in the world of music, especially considering that your re-scores and original compositions are really solid and I really liked them!❤️
@@gregstuckey6385Wow, thank you very much for such an in-depth reply! I'm very new to a lot of this stuff, I've been writing orchestral music for almost 10 years, but all of that was written on a mobile phone... I'm not joking, I found dozens of ways to use VSTs in my app to their extreme, and they are surprisingly good for mobile and maybe even moderately okay for some... Cheap orchestral library I guess?) I needed to find hundreds of ways to use their potential to its limits to find the most realistic articulations and ranges in them to write some advanced and sometimes cool action stuff... But it also narrowed the creative possibilities and real ranges in some ways, so I've always wanted to work in a real DAW with professional libraries and maybe with enough free time, will and money... I'll finally make a transition towards it :) I'm sorry for putting this personal story here, shortly I wanted to say that your mock-up, knowledge and experience revived my motivation to actually try and make an effort to this. So thank you again for that! I wish you the bright future in the world of music, especially considering that your re-scores and original compositions are really solid and I really liked them!❤️
oh my god， such a beautiful mockup Just want to know,what is the process of making mockup like this? Do you type scores into Dorico or Sibelius then put the midi file into logic? Or do you play in the DAW sentences by sentences while looking at the score? Thank you.
Thanks so much! This score started from Midi that was imported in. Sometimes I replay the line for a performance, but usually it's just by drawing in CC curves, re-timing notes, adjusting velocities etc... I constantly compare to the original track to hear how each part is phrased but then it's just a case of playing back a few seconds at a time, chipping away at whatever sounds incorrect. Hope that helps!
This is amazing, Greg! Very accurate to the full score, and the sound is near identical to the recorded track! Can’t wait to see more come out from you! May I ask what processing you used for this? I have never been able to recreate this clean Powell sound yet, especially in the brass section!
Thanks Anthony! Just updated the description with the full list. I usually find getting that brass sound is usually the trickiest, and requires using multiple libraries. JXL Tbones a3+a1 really nail the JP sound and performance style, but I probably used 6 or 7 different sets of horns in this track. Trumpets were mainly EWQL in this one, but same thing as horns where no one library nails everything. Woodwinds were 95% Spitfire and if it was out at the time I could probably have done 95% of strings with Pacific. Hope that helps!
@@dextersaunders5478 It's definitely a time consuming process, much of it is spent tweaking a template bit by bit and getting to know your libraries. Volume balance is a huge part of it. If you can link or send me some of your stuff I'd be happy to give some feedback!
@@gregstuckey6385 That's really kind of you bud - I've been 'template tweaking' for a while now & still have some way to go but I'll definitely keep that offer in mind.
Incredible work on this! It's almost identical to the original! You've got skill to make it nearly 1:1.
Thank you! And I really enjoy your breakdown vidoes!
@@gregstuckey6385 Thank you! I'm touching on Solo in a new one, that's what brought me here. Keep up the good work!
Wow! One of the best mock-ups I’ve heard! And also, John Powell 🤩
Would love it so much if you could do a walkthrough of how you got the sound to be so similar to the original! It sounds amazing! 👏🏻
Thanks Luka! Yeah his writing is amazing! I have been thinking about doing some walkthroughs, but tbh there's not much in here that's out of the ordinary technique-wise. The same old tricks with lots of articulation layering and then a lot of ABing to the original!
so awesome work !
Sir... It is clearly the best brass i've ever heard on any mock-up ever. I'm not exaggerating, I thought it was a norm for even the best mock-ups to have this a bit sample-sounding brass, but you proved me wrong... And that's incredibly motivating!
I'm sorry, I know you wrote all the libraries in the description, but what libraries were primarily used for trumpets and horns?
Because no demo I've ever heard sounded so realistic, so I assume they are probably layered.
Thank you so much for the mock-up and it would be really great if you could answer!❤
Thanks so much, really means a lot to hear that! Still sounds quite sample-y to me but hopefully, some of this info is helpful:
With brass, it's a complicated answer because I use such a mixture of things, and layer my favourite articulations from each library. For the horns, the marcatos and longs are JXL and SSB with fluid shorts horns as a staccato accent layer. Angry brass solo horn also makes a good layer to emphasise parts. Every now and then there might be an AR horn tenuto in there. Each library's marcatos have different shapes of decay as well as timbre, and it's a case of choosing the one that sounds closest to the reference track. Trumpets are a mixture of East West, SSB and AR, but no one line was exclusively one library. The most suitable articulation from each one was used. Trombones at that time were almost all JXL, with the occasional angry brass accent.
However, I don't think which specific libraries are as important as the approach you take to using them. I should also say that I mess with my libraries a lot in Kontakt, with timings, intonation, filters etc... And libs like JXL and AR I resample into kontakt and rebuild them if I want to change the programming to suit me more. Learning to reprogram samples made the biggest improvement to my mockups. Don't be afraid to layer a staccato with a marcato with a long sample, even if they are from all different sample vendors! What I do avoid is blindly blending 3 trumpet libraries playing the same line together as it usually results in the section sounding synthy. I like distant/diffuse mics and thinning out my brass anyway as I find most brass samples to sound unnaturally big anyway!
@@gregstuckey6385Wow, thank you very much for such an in-depth reply!
I'm very new to a lot of this stuff, I've been writing orchestral music for almost 10 years, but all of that was written on a mobile phone... I'm not joking, I found dozens of ways to use VSTs in my app to their extreme, and they are surprisingly good for mobile and maybe even moderately okay for some... Cheap orchestral library I guess?) I needed to find hundreds of ways to use their potential to its limits to find the most realistic articulations and ranges in them to write some advanced and sometimes cool action stuff... But it also narrowed the creative possibilities and real ranges in some ways, so I've always wanted to work in a real DAW with professional libraries and maybe with enough free time, will and money... I'll finally make a transition towards it :)
I'm sorry for putting this personal story here, shortly I wanted to say that your mock-up, knowledge and experience revived my motivation to actually try and make an effort to this.
So thank you again for that! I wish you the bright future in the world of music, especially considering that your re-scores and original compositions are really solid and I really liked them!❤️
@@gregstuckey6385Wow, thank you very much for such an in-depth reply!
I'm very new to a lot of this stuff, I've been writing orchestral music for almost 10 years, but all of that was written on a mobile phone... I'm not joking, I found dozens of ways to use VSTs in my app to their extreme, and they are surprisingly good for mobile and maybe even moderately okay for some... Cheap orchestral library I guess?) I needed to find hundreds of ways to use their potential to its limits to find the most realistic articulations and ranges in them to write some advanced and sometimes cool action stuff... But it also narrowed the creative possibilities and real ranges in some ways, so I've always wanted to work in a real DAW with professional libraries and maybe with enough free time, will and money... I'll finally make a transition towards it :)
I'm sorry for putting this personal story here, shortly I wanted to say that your mock-up, knowledge and experience revived my motivation to actually try and make an effort to this.
So thank you again for that! I wish you the bright future in the world of music, especially considering that your re-scores and original compositions are really solid and I really liked them!❤️
@@gregstuckey6385 I'm sorry, I've posted an answer two times and I have no idea why it was deleted😢
I'll try to post it for the third time today..
oh my god， such a beautiful mockup
Just want to know,what is the process of making mockup like this?
Do you type scores into Dorico or Sibelius then put the midi file into logic?
Or do you play in the DAW sentences by sentences while looking at the score? Thank you.
Thanks so much! This score started from Midi that was imported in. Sometimes I replay the line for a performance, but usually it's just by drawing in CC curves, re-timing notes, adjusting velocities etc... I constantly compare to the original track to hear how each part is phrased but then it's just a case of playing back a few seconds at a time, chipping away at whatever sounds incorrect. Hope that helps!
This is amazing, Greg! Very accurate to the full score, and the sound is near identical to the recorded track! Can’t wait to see more come out from you!
May I ask what processing you used for this? I have never been able to recreate this clean Powell sound yet, especially in the brass section!
Thanks Anthony! Just updated the description with the full list. I usually find getting that brass sound is usually the trickiest, and requires using multiple libraries. JXL Tbones a3+a1 really nail the JP sound and performance style, but I probably used 6 or 7 different sets of horns in this track. Trumpets were mainly EWQL in this one, but same thing as horns where no one library nails everything. Woodwinds were 95% Spitfire and if it was out at the time I could probably have done 95% of strings with Pacific. Hope that helps!
@@gregstuckey6385 Good to know! Thanks so much, Greg! You probably have convinced me to use EWQL for JP-style Trumpets again, haha!
@@AnthonyPhanMusic It's really old but there's some great stuff in there!
Libraries?
added in the description
@@gregstuckey6385 cheers dude - try so hard to achieve a sound like this but just find it impossible.
@@dextersaunders5478 It's definitely a time consuming process, much of it is spent tweaking a template bit by bit and getting to know your libraries. Volume balance is a huge part of it. If you can link or send me some of your stuff I'd be happy to give some feedback!
@@gregstuckey6385 That's really kind of you bud - I've been 'template tweaking' for a while now & still have some way to go but I'll definitely keep that offer in mind.