It's pretty well known that taking your clothes off makes you stronger in DB, which means that Andy would have an advantage since he loves being naked.
@@bruurb786 vegeta isn't useful because he even said saiyans cant survive in space but they can like them talking in space vegeta training in astroids before the android saga and goku talking in a space where nothing exist (erased future trunks timeline)
@@lazerbreaker4758 they cant breathe in space? When frieza blew up earth goku and whis said that frieza couldve survived due to being able to breathe in space but that vegeta and everyone else would be dead, not due to the explosion but due to them not handling outer space. During the moro arc vegeta also warned goku not to fly too high wich goku agreed to as guess what, he knows that he cant breathe in space.
@@sameerpapan-vm5vk immortality doesn't mean immortality. For Andy's case, hes not fully immortal, he doesn't have resistance to existence erasure, its his existence being erased not him dying.
Here an argument for Zeno and Super Sheron being able to kill Andy. Zeno erasure kill an entire universe that include heaven and hell, if death isn’t killed in that universe, those soul would still be wonder around in an endless void
I agree with this take. Zeno and Super Shenron probably could kill the very source of Andy's powers along with everything else in creation, not to mention that erasing a timeline implies stopping Andy from ever being born with his powers to begin with.
@@allyourbase2010here's the thing tho. We have no idea where the powers themselves come from. There was this theory that Sun God was making the Negators it's why they want to kill him. He dies all the Umas go back to being concepts with no will and everyone loses their negation powers. As of the latest chapters. That theory has been disproven. The source is still unknown. But chances are it's something that not even Zeno or Super Shenron can touch. Bc this source may even transcend their authority. They're negating universal rules. Something that can grant a power like that has to be on par with their very existence.
3:48 escape velocity is the speed an object on the surface has to be moving at ,if no forces acts on it, to leave the object. Any character with levitation can leave regardless of speed.
Hakai probaly one of the weirdest ability I Have seen Since it is one of those rare times where Statement make the ability weaker than it actual feats (It can't kill Zamasu by Statement but It can by feats,and Manga fusion zamasu still 100% immortal)
@nguyenlightduy7020 ehh not really. Hakai by feats is still very overrated. It pretty much is just a normal ass DB energy attack but with a fancy explanation attached. 9 times out of 10 characters that are relative to the characters using it just tank the attack or at worst receive a bit of damage but are pretty much fine.
@abhijeetgolder7535 I do think so, and so does the series. Literally, all that's different about hakai is that it erases souls. Beyond that, it works exactly like every other attack in DB when it doesn't outright kill. It can be held back, overcome and literally punched through when used on characters of even somewhat relative power. When it actually overwhelms characters, they may take standard damage but will recover and are ultimately fine, exactly like any other attack. Hakai isn't anything special. It's a regular DB energy blast
@@abhijeetgolder7535 Which is not a form of immortality that matters in Dragon Ball because it's all about fighting. If you can be killed through conventional means like physical damage, then as far as DB cares, you're not immortal.
Okay, hear me out, what happens If Andy gets hit by buu's candy beam? Is it going to be a vegito situation? Can he even turn back from being a candy by manipulating his soul?
@@Xenigma5050 Yeah but he was still technically alive, attacks work on him as long as they aren’t lethal so maybe he could live the beam, but still be transformed (he won’t be able to move like Vegito)
Mean if being weaker than your opponent means that turning into cami kills you. He will just reform away from the cannon. But if you're actually alive when you're the candy then I'd say he would just be exactly like vegito yeah unless he considers being turned into a piece of candy, a form of death, in which case he will just reform a body
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It would counts as sealed. He would still alive forever, but locked. If turning into a candy count as kill, he would be imune.
About you arguing that Andy’s undead probably evolved past the point of “killing the soul being able to kill him” is probably right. Andy stayed 5 billion years locking away and fighting all the master rules, including Death and Soul. Soul is quite literally the concept of soul, if he couldn’t kill andy’s soul, then that’s because his soul is also immortal now
Yep. Believe me if there was a way to suppress or extract these powers they would've done it a long time ago. Nicos the smartest person in the verse and Juiz and Victor have lived the longest. Between the three of them if they couldnt figure it out nobody can. Even if they did. There's nothing they could do. Bc whatever entity gave them these powers(the theory Sun God makes Negators has been officially disproven) made it so that their powers vanish and transfer upon death.
@@furionmax7824 I mean no? Sol/Luna still makes the negations, and tragedies implied and shown off when Akira became UnKnown. The only thing that's been disproven is that Sol chooses the new negators as the previous ones are those that choose the next incarnation of the ability
@@TheSaladBar I mean, Andy's no longer chilling on the sun, for one. He's back in the game and he's starting his comeback tour by getting payback against someone creeping on his girl.
@@TheSaladBar it can erase immortals as was shown but because of the ring on zamasu’s finger it didn’t harm the him from the future when they killed the past him him
It wouldn't even matter. He still wouldn't die kick and provoke an erasure all he wants but all it's going to do Is let him learn that he still can't die
@@DataZahard complete speculations you literally have no proof behind that. He has not shown the capabilities to erase concepts hell his erasure isn't even as permanent as hakai It's A way larger scale and can erase immortals, but it hasn't shown the ability to erase concepts. Therefore it you can't say it affects Andy New dragon Ball fans! Love to breathe in all the copium
Nah. Zen-O's a god who's actually chill. He'd probably just ask him to try it and explain his issue. Even if it didn't work, he'd probably just go 'hey, thanks for playing along with it.' I can just see Andy as being the type of person who would be willing to be frank with Zen-O, and I get the feeling that, while he might be annoyed at times, he would welcome Andy not constantly kowtowing to him (I can imagine Andy would give proper respect but it'd be a situation similar to Goku, where he's just going to try and treat him like he would anyone else who he has no beef with). Honestly, the bigger question is: how Zen-O would feel about Sun, Luna, and the UMA? Given that the Tournament of Power was meant to be a test of character to have mortals show they hold compassion for others, effectively, and cared for universes outside their own, how would they feel about a God that torments humans for his own enjoyment, an 'allied' God to mortals that is seemingly apathetic to their plight, and the very rules of the universe acting to spite mortals, humans in particular?
11:04 I don't see why anyone would believe that Cell wouldn't have a soul. He is a genetically engineered being with (I'm pretty sure.) only a few mechanical inner workings. So of course he would have a soul!
@@confusedperson21yeah but it shows that Cell does inherently have a soul and would definitely be sent to hell. Idk why that of all things wouldn't be in Super
If Zeno erased an entire timeline, that means he remove everything from it. Erasing a timeline in itself means you need to remove the concept of time or time will still exist, meaning you didn't erase the timeline, you just erased everything inside it except for time. Erasing a timeline means removing everything, no stone unturned.
@@spongytrout7462 in my opinion he either stops at cell or buu he could get through frieza cuz frieza just launches an attack that he thinks would kill and then leaves but cell could absorb andy if we are talking about imperfect cell same with buu in general andy would just be turned into candy
spoilers from the current chapter He regenerated his completely burnt and nearly destroyed body in mere seconds when he was coming to earth from the sun. Heat was described to slow down his regen, not only was he on the sun but also had to face re-entry. Andy was able to regen his body even after his regeneration was slown down
I think you might be single-handedly keeping the UU fandom alive and attracting any possible new fans Since no one talks about, and if they do it is usually slander or making fun of it in some way lol
I think it falls more about the understanding of the soul. Ki being tied to the soul raises the strength of the user, but no one in the series until battle of gods showed to attack or defend the soul directly. Andy, being able to attack their soul, probably not do much at first, but over time, it would wear down anyone who didn't have infinite ki aka the androids. They have an output limit, but they might be immune to andy soul attacks. The only way for it to work is if he could cut through the output limit they have.
Well no because dragon Ball characters aren't able to protect against every single thing, magic has shown that it can just straight up bypass ki A week of character can use magic to affect a stronger character who has stronger ki So by that same logic the soul would also do it. Especially because none of them can perceive said soul and the people that can perceive the soul and don't have the ability to actually do anything with it
Andy's idea of what counts as death can be changed and this directly affects his power, right? So in theory, if someone who could manipulate minds and who's psychic power was more than strong enough to overcome Andy's resistance to mind manipulation got inside his head and made him forget anything and everything about death, even the concept of it, then theoretically that should more or less basically shut down his power and let someone kill him without much trouble, correct?
That's an iffy statement. Mostly because UnDead affects him even if he isn't thinking. He himself has used a 'Deathsperation' move that destroyed part of his brain to lower his intelligence. It was to get around a different Negation all together, but it has a similar issue as his healing would lead to his mind reconstituting itself. Besides that, he could just make clones and have those be back up if against a mental manipulator also Andy can't die, and even with mental manipulation there is a flat bed of 'rules of death' which Andy's UnDead would negate even if he's manipulated lol
Also to bring this topic up again since I just remembered something but spoilers below long after where the anime ends so :V beware . . . . . . Victor, the original personality of Andy's body and the original UnDead, had his mind sealed away by an artifact known as 'Remember' which has the power to give or take someone's memories (it's the card in Andy's head). For a time, Victor was braindead, he was not thinking at all, and to evade this identity death, UnDead created Andy as a response, to survive being mentally erased. He was unaware of his UnDead status, and was buried alive at the time and busted his way out of the earth. So even brain dead/memories being overwritten, would not be enough to force UnDead to shut down, and he'd still be alive
You mentioned that Shenron isnt strong enough to remove Andy's immortality and that Super Shenron likely is. I wonder if Porunga or Dende's Shenron is strong enough.
I doubt it since UnDead was given by Sun, the main villain of UnDeadUnLuck, meaning that for porunga or current shenron to remove UnDead Mori or Dende, would have to be stronger than Sun who is a planet buster at barely minimum.
Im think can, dende unlock potetial is very probably can destroy plants (maybe 10000 units in this point), and its dende, imagine porunga now, probablie porunga and shenron can wish that
@@manperson2347 to be fair though it’s openly declared that super shenron has absolutely no limits. He’s able to bring multiple entire universes back into existence after total erasure and that’s done instantly with no time taken to do that. This means super shenron could probably outright poof anything out of existence with ease
17:32 heres my theory syper shenron isnt a charity he'll give u exactly what you asked for even normal shenron can grant immortality and fused zamasu wasn't immortal anymore he was half immortal so that's probably why it erased him
why did that feel exhausting like at this point I'm wondering how the author even makes the manga work if the protagonist cant die from all of this lol
By being sealed, memory wiped or negating his regeneration, to give some examples. But most of those things don't work on him anymore. Also, he is removed from a huge chunk of the story because of how overpowered he is.
@@camrong5680 The higher up villains involve the concepts of death, luck, and souls, for one. not to mention, there's an antagonist who's basically a nerfed version of Andy... merged with the concepts of blood and shadows to make up for the difference. It also helps that, until Andy had to take a vacation on the sun, a good portion of the manga was also on Fuuko's development, as well as how his relationship with her went from 'partnership of convenience' to 'actually falling for each other'.
Honestly, all of this is not taking into account UndeadxUnluck's own setting details: That characters from it would adapt to any new rules added to the world, gaining traits as if they always had it (the potential for astral projection, biological sex, the ability to change and adapt, languages, luck, a desire for clothing, ect. If new UMA allowed for Ki and its usage, Andy would most certainly be able to get it. _Imagine how bonkers Andy would get if he was allowed to learn how to use Ki Blasts, fly, and get training like the rest of the cast._ He might actually be able to fight off threats for far longer in that case. You are now imagining Andy using a Kamehameha mixed with Dead Road. A Dead Wave, you could call it.
although it works on gags, Whis himself stated that it wouldn’t work on immortals. Maybe it’s a walking contradiction or that episode just wasn’t anime canon
All im saying is that if Andy can keep ten god level beings sealed inside of a pocket dimension using his own soul while burning alive on the sun for 4.6 billion years hes beating everyones asses sooner or later
Medaka should win easily against everything except the final boss of undead unluck if she has ilhiko's ability as that can negate anything except for "language based" attacks and permanently destroys any previous form of attack. Besides that the minus's she definitely possesses are over powered as hell scardead knocks out practically everyone due to their wounds or mental scaring being reopened, Encounter blocks any physical or mental attacks and all fiction will either erase everyone or make medaka immortal through turning her injuries an even death into nothing. Honestly medaka if he was willing to use her entire arsenal should clear at least 90% of the verse with ease.
Video idea - Franken Stein (soul eater) vs Mahito (JJK) I want to see this matchup happen to know if Stein completely obliterates mahito or not, and if that turns out to uninteresting then you could do Mahito vs the Soul Eater gauntlet.
Not “canon” or stated ever, it’s a HUGE misconception in the fandom. I made a whole video on it recently ruclips.net/video/sD9_foHDuPI/видео.htmlsi=x3lHFVzz3rdPT2PT
@@TheSaladBar i have eyes. And ears. I’ve seen dragonball. This is a consistent feat. Strong enough opponents have overpowered the mafuba wave, hits timeskip abilities, and a hakai. All of which In theory should circumvent any level of strength and yet our Saiyans scream, get stronger and say “no actually i counter with the power of muscles and overwhelming force.” So i don’t need Roshi to state it as a fact because it blatantly IS a fact.
It is not a fact at all, it’s flawed logic. Most of the time when DB characters are overpowering “hax”, they’re overpowering ki-based abilities with more ki. Everything you mentioned is addressed and broken down in the video I linked, it’s a huge misconception that’s spread so far people have started to think it’s a fact that can be applied to every other verse/power system.
@@TheSaladBar Thank you. It's pretty absurd to assume being stronger than someone can completely negate any hax from any verse. Your video on that was awesome. Sadly some DB fans don't actually read and just wanna make Goku the strongest and haxiest thing in existence without actually looking into the whole argument for why "strength overpowers hax" is just false
@@Prince_LuciI think he means it isn’t “Always” as you said. Sure other abilities they were able to out strength it but Goku needed to trick Ginyu to give him back his body if I remember and Buu’s absorption didn’t get out powered. So most the time sure but not always.
Andy makes it further than most would think. I mean its basically a battle of attrition after a certain amount of time passes. Andy cant die yet he cant really hurt anybody in DB until theyre tired enough. And this is from a manga reader but ive never seen Andy sleeping. Im not even sure he gets tired.
@@LordTyph might be him when Victor tags in. It's funny how over like four years(manga run time) we have no idea what the inside of Andy's head is like. Autumn was his memories. I guess either one takes a nap when the other tags in.
I’d say erasure and haki would not work, because Andy is holding death, soul, and the other mater rules with his soul, so since he is holding the concept of the soul in a seat that implies his soul is stronger or at least relative
well he wasn't holding Soul, and by the looks of it, it was almost like Death wasn't fighting back (to be fair, Andy IS her negator and all that). But he was fighting Soul to a stand still so
@@ilikevintagetoys2100I agree with the person above, but I do also agree with you. I don't think it will work regardless. Was by the logic of what he used in the video. There's no reason for him to not consider his soul being destroyed as a form of death because it is it's death
@@foodoftherinnegan1583 I feel so bad for RUclipsrs when they make videos and them something comes out that either contradicts what they said or upscales
for seal it depends since andy was still stuck in seal only getting out by affecting seal's core, also undead is his soul not the body as shown with unsleep also for erasure depends? andy was born when the concept of death was born since he was one of the original humans through victor
Buu Vs Andy would be insane Neither can die, I genuinely wonder what would they even do. Just become friends off the fact that their attacks are basically pointless? (Unless he's fighting Super Buu or Kid Buu, may God bless his unkillable soul)
Considering Andy is stronger than Language, who created an actual Supernova with her Soul, and scales above Victor who can take on Sun’s avatars each capable of Multi-Continental explosions… yeah, it’s safe to say Andy does NOT stop at Country Lvl at this point in the manga
I've capped this entire thing at either Annos or Rimuru. Regardless of what happens. Power scaling this series will drive you nuts bc one. the powers scale at the conceptual level and that's the highest level there is next to boundless. Two. We have no idea what the fucking master rules are capable of and the weakest of them can solo every verse there is with a few exceptions of course. Beast, Language and Sick would decimate most verses language especially bc she can will and control anything that already exists fiction or reality. So if Ichibei whips out his bankai, Language can do the same only this one will be much stronger
imagine Moro copying Andy ability of undeath (if he could copy it which am pretty sure but correct me if I'm wrong) that would be so terrifying, and also he would get Andys ability mastery of the soul, this with the undeath ability and moros extremely large ki pool and magic mastery moro would be one of the scariest beings in dragon ball
Salad bar it can erase immortals as was shown but because of the ring on zamasu’s finger it didn’t harm the him from the future when they killed the past him
@@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyle Issue is, Negator abilities are tied not only to their souls, but the very concepts that they negate. And Undead in particular is an ability that affects itself, so you can't erase the ability because that would mean the ability's "death". It also depends on the user's perception of the concept, so if Andy views soul damage as a cause of death, he'll negate it. If he views existence erasure as just death with extra steps, he'll also negate it. Even in-universe, Undead is viewed as an exceptionally _weird_ Negator ability that seems to not abide by the rules of the others due to its nature of negating death. Because Negator abilities all work on a conceptual level and are ridiculously semantic, no form of death or death-equivalent should be able to affect Andy.
Isnt ki like body, mind and soul, this is shown in the series when characters get stronger by meditating or being able to counter mind hax so wouldn't just outscaling andy mean they tank his soul attacks as he is much weaker
like others said i do think it’s important to say that anything that was planet level had andy regen after a course of days so i do think his immortality has some limits in a certain way
Zeno erased space,time, souls, gravity, on at least a 4D level and was stated to be able to destroy anything by multiple credible characters. I feel like Andy’s getting a lot of benefit of the doubt if we’re going feat for feat. Not to mention merged Zamasu didn’t just become a timeline, official blue ray disk go into detail and say “The fused Zamasu was sliced by Trunks, but his thoughts flew into the sky, wrapping the entire earth.” Meaning not only would Zeno had to erase everything else but he erased the concept of zamasu’s will. Even super shenron has shown that he’s more than able to manipulate concepts. To recreate a universe and its timeline he’d need to recreate time,space, all the laws of physics, life, death, anti matter EVERYTHING, and he had to recreate every character with their memories and powers, magic, and unique DNA down to the atom. I can’t even name the thousands of abilities he’s capable of taking away and giving based on the 12 universes he brought back from essentially just the idea of their existence since Zeno destroyed them physically, spiritually, and possibly even conceptually. Even if Zeno didn’t erase their concept, super shenron had nothing to bring back so he at least made them from a concept.
Andy isn’t immortal. He negates “dead” if he perceives erasure as a form of way for him to become dead he wouldn’t be affected. Even if it’s isn’t “death” He also survived GOD destroying the universe so I think this feat should be able to justify his power. I don’t see how Zeno would beat him
Ginyu's body switch aside, Buu can still turn people into innanimate objects like food. But besides that, Andy is obviously not immune to metaphorical death, since he can change as a person, evident by his alter ego. Which should also make any kind of mind control, if through illusion, memory erasure or otherwise, possible. At least in principle.
...Ginuy's body switch means that Andy has flight and ki blasts, given the time to learn it. Ginyu would only get Andy's human body, no Undead ability, and I'd argue that Andy's strength is, in part, based on it. Even if it wasn't, Ginyu trying the stunts Andy pulls would only cause him to die a horrible death (as Andy very much feels the pain, he just tunes it out), all with no payoff. It would be the WORST trade.
@@LordTyph I was just mentioning it because it was not mentioned in the video. For the exact mechanics how the body switch works, though, we would lack information. So that would be speculative at best.
I feel like you can get wacky with Andys ap scaling and get him to Galaxy(wanking) this is based off uma galaxy who is quite literally a galaxy. The 10 superior rules are stated to be the strongest rules above the likes of spoil, lava, and galaxy. We see Andy manhandle the superior rules easily while weakened iirc. Little wacky but 🤷♂️
I mean in the end it's simple. It's a tie. They can't kill him. He can't kill them. They just tie They can't tell him they can't erase him. They can trap him, but if somehow he considers being trapped for all eternity as a form of death, he'll get out of being sealed as well. So he'll just be goofing around forever. There's nothing they can do about it
He's regeneration comes from the conceptual ability of negating death. Andy can negate anything he views as death on a conceptual level so long as it affects himself so he should be at the very least zamasu level of immortality bare minimum. His soul can't pass on, his body will regenerate or be reformed from nothing and he cannot be erased from the minds of others.
@@robertgraaf6875 no, it's far better than his mortality is literally just normal. Immortality that's it. If you erase him with something like zeno it can stop it. But Andy literally negates whatever he considers death can't be forgotten because he considers being forgotten by everyone as death. He can't be erased because he considers being erased as death can't be killed normally. Obviously can't age because obviously that's getting him closer to death The only way you would be able to stop his powers is if you could change his concept of what he considers death, but they're immune to mind manipulation. Therefore you can't change what he considers death
Not going to lie, if Andy where to somehow find a set of dragon balls and learn some method to fuse with an over powered character, nobody's walking out alive. Except Andy.
Doesnt a supreme kai basically govern all life and death since they are the bosses of everyone that works down there So technically they should be above the concept of death Especially since "killing" a supreme kai simply erases them and the god of destruction of that universe without going to the afterlife
@@potatosalad3655 I'm sorry but that is some high level glaze no he doesn't control life or death he can kill people but he can't even erase them like a god of destruction he has never shown the power to control concepts nor has any dragon ball character not counting time control and space of course
Let's gooo. More UnDead UnLuck Vs Battles. Also, Andy can easily be wanked to Solar System level considering he's matched against Soul UMA that can handle a Supernova.
I think it boils down to whether Zeno can bypass, negate, or overpower Undead, Unluck’s god yeah? Cuz his power comes from that if I understand it correctly, so if Zeno can get past it somehow then he could definitely kill Andy
Question, would Billy's Unfair would hypothetically allow him to copy other power systems like Ki or Nen since that being impossible would fall under it being "fair"? That's something we'll never get answered in the series but that would be cool to see in some matchups
I feel like Ki in dragon ball has minor hax negation that isnt really spoken about just like how hits time stop could be resisted through strenght which is obviously tied to ki so if hypothetically your ki was strong enough couldn't you ignore undead or is that just off the table?
Any ability would need to transcend the very concept of death itself in order to kill Andy. That's just how it is. Even his soul is immortal. Also Hax negation is a redundant statement when talking about Negators bc they negate universal concepts and rules. When two powers collide with each other it's more like watching two magnets repel. UnChange and Unbreakable are good examples. When an Unbreakable blade clashes with an UnChange Barrier nothing happens. Sword doesn't chip. Barrier doesn't crack. They're cancelling each other out yet they're still affecting each other. Make sense?
@@aji.n then we move on to the Umas which are even stronger. And yes. Death is one of them. We have no idea what she can do as of yet. But the Master Rules are finally loose after being imprisoned by Andy for 4.6 billion years. I doubt even Aizen can maintain a hold like that for that long.
@@Lime-green-death-beam Mabye yes he has been able to be said to do anything but that doesn't mean he guaranteed can kill him he just has one of the best chances
I don't know much about undead unluck, but if andy's ability comes from the god of his verse, surely anyone who can overpower that god can overpower andy's ability.
wouldnt work he has two ways around it one his body gets petrified but he can still move his soui freely or he fires a piece of himself and regenerates from that piece instead creating a whole new body not affected
Can't you say that because Goku and Beerus were about to destroy the entire universe, including the afterlife and all the souls in it, it implies they have some influence over souls? Or is it simply that destroying the after life erases all the souls in it.
I think that Shenron can take away his immortality, because we know that Dende with the unlocked potential must be between 4000-10000 units, and since his level is in planetary, he would be strong enough Dende for the wish to take effect and take away his immortality.
Negations and rules are imposed by/tied to higher characters in UU who we don’t know much about yet, but they’re well beyond galaxy level at minimum. Not a perfect comparison, but I guess a somewhat good analogy is trying to remove Zamasu’s immortality from Super Shenron with Earth’s Shenron
@@TheSaladBarbut you say he is country level? Im think dende (planetary level) can wish againts this and negete this inmortality (but im dont see the serie im only use video information)
That’s the attack power and durability of Andy’s body, the actual negation of death and the rule of death itself is tied to godly figures and concepts/laws in UU rather than Andy himself. It’s a bit complicated to explain in a comment, but that Zamasu analogy is a good comparison I think. Another example: Zamasu’s immortality was imposed on him by Super Shenron, but he can be injured by Trunks and co still. That doesn’t mean Trunks surpassed Super Shenron’s power and immortality, just that he surpasses Zamasu’s durability. Think of it like that
andy wouldn’t survive a hakai bc hakai doesn’t kill you it erases you from the verse the only way to even avoid getting erased is to be physically stronger than the attack which andy is not
@@sun_vfx his powers works based of what he considered death and yes being erased from exists would count as death for him obviously that's why being forgotten was a form of death for him so you can't forget him
@@doriankamanzi6874 if you read long enough i legit said the only possible way to avoid hakai is to be stronger than the output. since hakai can even erase literal toon force
@@sun_vfx yeah, and if you actually knew how dragon Ball worked, you would know that hakai has yet to show the ability to erase anything at a conceptual level. Therefore it doesn't matter if he's not stronger. His power is stronger because it works at a conceptual level. The thing is dragon Ball fans tend to just leave out the most important parts of the power system to make it the most optimal for them. From what we can tell no one can affect anything out of conceptual level but maybe super shenron
@@sun_vfx And don't go on saying oh. But we said there's nothing that he can't destroyed. We actively saw later on. He can't destroyed whis was Just exaggerating so until someone with hakai destroyed time itself or any actual concept? No, it will not work on Andy. Not to mention it doesn't even affect immortals. Like he said, you don't have to be stronger than the user of hakai to be immune to it
Now Im only at where the anime is, so im probably gonna skip over the parts of Andys' explanation that spoils the series. But I'm pretty sure Andy is immune to complete destruction. I DONT MEAN EXISTENCE ERASURE. I mean something like complete matter destruction. So, in a scenario where stalemates count as a win for Andy(Ignoring the Mafuba, Devilmite Beam, and Change Now), He hard stops at Imperfect Cell Though you could argue that Andys and Victors consciousness could linger if wank a bit and say that Victor and Andy are able exist because of some sort of supernatural abilitie and not because their separate personalities(not saying thats what it is im saying if we want to implie it that way) And if we count him "surviving" in Cell as a "win," he hard stops at Buu as since Cell would win with Andys immorality. Buu immediately comes along and turns Cell into candy and kills/permanently immobilizes him(which i count as loss) or he absorbs him which Buus body seems to turn its residents into catatonic state so even in the wank scenario where we gave Andy a Supernatural consciousness presence(Kinda like Sukuna does) he hard stops at Buu And IK Cell could try to suck Buu withbhis tail but I never see him pulling it off as Buu is just so insanely stronger than him and even if Buu got nicked he would be fast enough to immediately move out of the way before hes fully absorbed. And then Buu would immediately turn him into candy or absorb him for trying to the same to him(Buus dumb but he's aware enough to know what was going on just clarifying) But if we WANK further and say that Cell absorbs Buu and the catatonic state that Buu puts his victims im doesn't apply to Cell because he absorbed him into his very essences and that Andys body is no longer to be put into a Catatonic state. Then he'd hard stop at Beerus as he would never be hurt by Cells attack (and while he shouldn't have been able to absorb Buu since Buu just lets attack go right through him it could possibly work) and even with Buss abilities he would get erased even if he surrounds Beerus there not a reality even a hypothetical one where Beerus lets that happen. Even if he absorbed Beerus since he's so much stronger than Cell infused Buu, the inate Ki he just has casually chilling in his body will be enough to protect him from Buus assimilation And Beerus would just erase him. Definitely hard stops there. That's my rant long but I think this pretty accurate in Wanking Reality where we let the Improbable happen.(If you don't know what Improbable is, google it)
@@determination982 Goku didn't overpower captain Ginyu's hax despite being much stronger he still got body swapped so it's clear that ki has a limitation on what it can and cannot negate. Its much more realistic to believe that ki only matters against others who use ki. Magic/ reality warping hax which doesn't care about the targets durability should be completely usable against the dragonball verse.
I don’t agree mainly because existence and death are to VERY different things I might be provin wrong later but in general I think most of the erasers would work except gokus eraser plus in general I don’t see Andy really getting past anyone with a complete hakai let alone zenos
It's pretty well known that taking your clothes off makes you stronger in DB, which means that Andy would have an advantage since he loves being naked.
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It’s because their clothes are weighted (like a lot) so that’s why they get stronger not just because if he takes off his clothes hr gets stronger
Imagine a Saiyan with the death negation, zenkais would be absurd
Zenkais lose in effectiveness the more you use them so it would only be busted for a bit
zenkais stop working when saiyans hit their limit, goku and vegeta have lost their ability to zenkai confirmed by vegeta stating it in super i believe
@@ziggiey if only you always use it
@@bruurb786 vegeta isn't useful because he even said saiyans cant survive in space but they can like them talking in space vegeta training in astroids before the android saga and goku talking in a space where nothing exist (erased future trunks timeline)
@@lazerbreaker4758 they cant breathe in space? When frieza blew up earth goku and whis said that frieza couldve survived due to being able to breathe in space but that vegeta and everyone else would be dead, not due to the explosion but due to them not handling outer space. During the moro arc vegeta also warned goku not to fly too high wich goku agreed to as guess what, he knows that he cant breathe in space.
Innacuarate. Andy would just shock everyone by being naked and then beat everyone up till they die of exhaustion.
Nah. They would fall asleep, not exhaust.😂
would hakai even effect andy? if i remember existence wiping is dying which andy negate's so he would come back if am right
@@sameerpapan-vm5vk immortality doesn't mean immortality. For Andy's case, hes not fully immortal, he doesn't have resistance to existence erasure, its his existence being erased not him dying.
@@LemoneMan I think Andy would still see that as a form of dying and just regenerate from it
@@superkhangfn8593 well he can't. he doesn't exist🤣
Here an argument for Zeno and Super Sheron being able to kill Andy. Zeno erasure kill an entire universe that include heaven and hell, if death isn’t killed in that universe, those soul would still be wonder around in an endless void
Kid Buu was also stated to be able to kill the dead, namely Vegeta lol
@@AtlasOfEden yeah kill the dead but he can't negate a law of reality
@@marvel9496 True, kid bu didnt just use some ki attack or some power, he straight up teleported in heaven and hell to run more fades
I agree with this take. Zeno and Super Shenron probably could kill the very source of Andy's powers along with everything else in creation, not to mention that erasing a timeline implies stopping Andy from ever being born with his powers to begin with.
@@allyourbase2010here's the thing tho. We have no idea where the powers themselves come from. There was this theory that Sun God was making the Negators it's why they want to kill him. He dies all the Umas go back to being concepts with no will and everyone loses their negation powers.
As of the latest chapters. That theory has been disproven. The source is still unknown. But chances are it's something that not even Zeno or Super Shenron can touch. Bc this source may even transcend their authority.
They're negating universal rules. Something that can grant a power like that has to be on par with their very existence.
The amount of concepts Andy is about to beat is going to be insane.
I just like Andy's expression in the thumbnail it's like he's saying is he cooked or will he make it
Would be great if a guy called Salad Saiyan made a what if for the humans with Andys power system
You mean the undead negation on negators as a whole?
@@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyle since he said power system and I doubt he wants immortal humans, the latter.
It might seem crazy what I'm bout to say (this *is* one of salad saiyans channels lmao)
i thought it was the gojo vs uu one but actually this is even better
Frostleaf is the name of a Mortal Kombat character and a Clicker Heroes character.
And my name doesnt refer to either of them@@CerealExperimentsMizuki
@@frostleaf7833 did you type another comment that got deleted?? And I 100% knew that your name wasn't referencing either of them.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki no it doesnt, it refers to Frostleaf from arknights, who is also my pfp
@@frostleaf7833 I've corrected the mistake in my comment.
3:48 escape velocity is the speed an object on the surface has to be moving at ,if no forces acts on it, to leave the object. Any character with levitation can leave regardless of speed.
Thank you for making another andy video
Undead unluck is such an underrated show and deserves more attention
Hakai probaly one of the weirdest ability I Have seen
Since it is one of those rare times where Statement make the ability weaker than it actual feats
(It can't kill Zamasu by Statement but It can by feats,and Manga fusion zamasu still 100% immortal)
@nguyenlightduy7020 ehh not really. Hakai by feats is still very overrated. It pretty much is just a normal ass DB energy attack but with a fancy explanation attached. 9 times out of 10 characters that are relative to the characters using it just tank the attack or at worst receive a bit of damage but are pretty much fine.
It killed the non-immortal present Zamasu, not the actually immortal future Zamasu
@abhijeetgolder7535 I do think so, and so does the series. Literally, all that's different about hakai is that it erases souls. Beyond that, it works exactly like every other attack in DB when it doesn't outright kill. It can be held back, overcome and literally punched through when used on characters of even somewhat relative power. When it actually overwhelms characters, they may take standard damage but will recover and are ultimately fine, exactly like any other attack.
Hakai isn't anything special. It's a regular DB energy blast
@@abhijeetgolder7535 Which is not a form of immortality that matters in Dragon Ball because it's all about fighting. If you can be killed through conventional means like physical damage, then as far as DB cares, you're not immortal.
@@abhijeetgolder7535 Funny how Andy's immortality also affects itself, meaning his immortality is also immortal
Okay, hear me out, what happens If Andy gets hit by buu's candy beam? Is it going to be a vegito situation? Can he even turn back from being a candy by manipulating his soul?
Yeah, i'm surprised he forgot to mention it. Transmutation in-universe has worked on Andy before (Anno Un using Autumn's Arm to turn him into a Book).
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@@Xenigma5050 Yeah but he was still technically alive, attacks work on him as long as they aren’t lethal so maybe he could live the beam, but still be transformed (he won’t be able to move like Vegito)
Mean if being weaker than your opponent means that turning into cami kills you. He will just reform away from the cannon. But if you're actually alive when you're the candy then I'd say he would just be exactly like vegito yeah unless he considers being turned into a piece of candy, a form of death, in which case he will just reform a body
It would counts as sealed. He would still alive forever, but locked. If turning into a candy count as kill, he would be imune.
About you arguing that Andy’s undead probably evolved past the point of “killing the soul being able to kill him” is probably right. Andy stayed 5 billion years locking away and fighting all the master rules, including Death and Soul.
Soul is quite literally the concept of soul, if he couldn’t kill andy’s soul, then that’s because his soul is also immortal now
Dudes an Eldritch Horror at this point. If I'm being honest. And the kicker is that he's completely human. He just has a busted power.
It always has been. The negator's abilities are craved in the users soul.
Yep. Believe me if there was a way to suppress or extract these powers they would've done it a long time ago. Nicos the smartest person in the verse and Juiz and Victor have lived the longest. Between the three of them if they couldnt figure it out nobody can. Even if they did. There's nothing they could do. Bc whatever entity gave them these powers(the theory Sun God makes Negators has been officially disproven) made it so that their powers vanish and transfer upon death.
@@furionmax7824 I mean no? Sol/Luna still makes the negations, and tragedies implied and shown off when Akira became UnKnown. The only thing that's been disproven is that Sol chooses the new negators as the previous ones are those that choose the next incarnation of the ability
I wonder how inaccurate this video will be jn like 5 weeks because the manga is even PEAKer than normal right now.
Knowing my luck with JJK videos getting outdated right away, it’ll probably get outdated by next week😭
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@@TheSaladBar I mean, Andy's no longer chilling on the sun, for one. He's back in the game and he's starting his comeback tour by getting payback against someone creeping on his girl.
@@TheSaladBar it can erase immortals as was shown but because of the ring on zamasu’s finger it didn’t harm the him from the future when they killed the past him him
Glad you're doing more Undead Unluck videos! I wish more people talked about the series tbh lol it's great
Honestly the moment Andy learns about Zeno, he's gonna start hurling insults.
It wouldn't even matter. He still wouldn't die kick and provoke an erasure all he wants but all it's going to do Is let him learn that he still can't die
@@doriankamanzi6874 It'd still be funny to watch.
@@doriankamanzi6874he would zenos erasure is far beyond Andy & his verse dude was erasing literal timelines & universes
@@DataZahard complete speculations you literally have no proof behind that. He has not shown the capabilities to erase concepts hell his erasure isn't even as permanent as hakai It's A way larger scale and can erase immortals, but it hasn't shown the ability to erase concepts. Therefore it you can't say it affects Andy New dragon Ball fans! Love to breathe in all the copium
Nah. Zen-O's a god who's actually chill. He'd probably just ask him to try it and explain his issue.
Even if it didn't work, he'd probably just go 'hey, thanks for playing along with it.' I can just see Andy as being the type of person who would be willing to be frank with Zen-O, and I get the feeling that, while he might be annoyed at times, he would welcome Andy not constantly kowtowing to him (I can imagine Andy would give proper respect but it'd be a situation similar to Goku, where he's just going to try and treat him like he would anyone else who he has no beef with).
Honestly, the bigger question is: how Zen-O would feel about Sun, Luna, and the UMA? Given that the Tournament of Power was meant to be a test of character to have mortals show they hold compassion for others, effectively, and cared for universes outside their own, how would they feel about a God that torments humans for his own enjoyment, an 'allied' God to mortals that is seemingly apathetic to their plight, and the very rules of the universe acting to spite mortals, humans in particular?
11:04 I don't see why anyone would believe that Cell wouldn't have a soul. He is a genetically engineered being with (I'm pretty sure.) only a few mechanical inner workings. So of course he would have a soul!
He shows up in hell by the time GT comes around so Cell being a organic lifeform enhanced by technology would make sense
@@Subpar1O1 GT also isn't cannon
@@confusedperson21yeah but it shows that Cell does inherently have a soul and would definitely be sent to hell. Idk why that of all things wouldn't be in Super
If Zeno erased an entire timeline, that means he remove everything from it. Erasing a timeline in itself means you need to remove the concept of time or time will still exist, meaning you didn't erase the timeline, you just erased everything inside it except for time. Erasing a timeline means removing everything, no stone unturned.
Andy needed at least days to regenerate from a planetary level destruction attack that didn't even completly destroy his body
The point is that he still regenerated
@@spongytrout7462 Yeah, after days. Which is a bit ifi if you consider the Battle winned at that point
@@spongytrout7462 in my opinion he either stops at cell or buu he could get through frieza cuz frieza just launches an attack that he thinks would kill and then leaves but cell could absorb andy if we are talking about imperfect cell same with buu in general andy would just be turned into candy
What attack? Last chapter he regenerated instantly after leaving the sun.
spoilers from the current chapter
He regenerated his completely burnt and nearly destroyed body in mere seconds when he was coming to earth from the sun. Heat was described to slow down his regen, not only was he on the sun but also had to face re-entry. Andy was able to regen his body even after his regeneration was slown down
I think you might be single-handedly keeping the UU fandom alive and attracting any possible new fans
Since no one talks about, and if they do it is usually slander or making fun of it in some way lol
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fr, its either only salad sayian or Mother's basement talking about UU, otherwise it flew under the radar because of the disney jail
@@ignite5329 Hopefully, the special and Season 2 fixes that...
Andy is actually broken
He Is honestly one of my favourite anime characters. Just everything about him is great
Doesn't his soul count as ki so he wouldn't be able to hurt even their soul
@@lazerbreaker4758 lol no
I think it falls more about the understanding of the soul. Ki being tied to the soul raises the strength of the user, but no one in the series until battle of gods showed to attack or defend the soul directly. Andy, being able to attack their soul, probably not do much at first, but over time, it would wear down anyone who didn't have infinite ki aka the androids. They have an output limit, but they might be immune to andy soul attacks. The only way for it to work is if he could cut through the output limit they have.
Well no because dragon Ball characters aren't able to protect against every single thing, magic has shown that it can just straight up bypass ki A week of character can use magic to affect a stronger character who has stronger ki So by that same logic the soul would also do it. Especially because none of them can perceive said soul and the people that can perceive the soul and don't have the ability to actually do anything with it
Also souls and ki are different they interact yes but they are not the same thing
Andy's idea of what counts as death can be changed and this directly affects his power, right?
So in theory, if someone who could manipulate minds and who's psychic power was more than strong enough to overcome Andy's resistance to mind manipulation got inside his head and made him forget anything and everything about death, even the concept of it, then theoretically that should more or less basically shut down his power and let someone kill him without much trouble, correct?
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That's an iffy statement. Mostly because UnDead affects him even if he isn't thinking. He himself has used a 'Deathsperation' move that destroyed part of his brain to lower his intelligence. It was to get around a different Negation all together, but it has a similar issue as his healing would lead to his mind reconstituting itself. Besides that, he could just make clones and have those be back up if against a mental manipulator
also Andy can't die, and even with mental manipulation there is a flat bed of 'rules of death' which Andy's UnDead would negate even if he's manipulated lol
Also to bring this topic up again since I just remembered something but spoilers below long after where the anime ends so :V beware
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Victor, the original personality of Andy's body and the original UnDead, had his mind sealed away by an artifact known as 'Remember' which has the power to give or take someone's memories (it's the card in Andy's head). For a time, Victor was braindead, he was not thinking at all, and to evade this identity death, UnDead created Andy as a response, to survive being mentally erased. He was unaware of his UnDead status, and was buried alive at the time and busted his way out of the earth.
So even brain dead/memories being overwritten, would not be enough to force UnDead to shut down, and he'd still be alive
You mentioned that Shenron isnt strong enough to remove Andy's immortality and that Super Shenron likely is. I wonder if Porunga or Dende's Shenron is strong enough.
I doubt it since UnDead was given by Sun, the main villain of UnDeadUnLuck, meaning that for porunga or current shenron to remove UnDead Mori or Dende, would have to be stronger than Sun who is a planet buster at barely minimum.
Well, sun created and erased the universe 100 times and it’s just a game for him
Im think can, dende unlock potetial is very probably can destroy plants (maybe 10000 units in this point), and its dende, imagine porunga now, probablie porunga and shenron can wish that
@@manperson2347 to be fair though it’s openly declared that super shenron has absolutely no limits. He’s able to bring multiple entire universes back into existence after total erasure and that’s done instantly with no time taken to do that. This means super shenron could probably outright poof anything out of existence with ease
17:32 heres my theory syper shenron isnt a charity he'll give u exactly what you asked for even normal shenron can grant immortality and fused zamasu wasn't immortal anymore he was half immortal so that's probably why it erased him
Zeno erased the whole timeline not just zamasu
Please keep up the good work, more people need to know about this series
why did that feel exhausting like at this point I'm wondering how the author even makes the manga work if the protagonist cant die from all of this lol
By being sealed, memory wiped or negating his regeneration, to give some examples.
But most of those things don't work on him anymore.
Also, he is removed from a huge chunk of the story because of how overpowered he is.
@@Antikuy ........... i can see why
@@camrong5680 The higher up villains involve the concepts of death, luck, and souls, for one.
not to mention, there's an antagonist who's basically a nerfed version of Andy... merged with the concepts of blood and shadows to make up for the difference.
It also helps that, until Andy had to take a vacation on the sun, a good portion of the manga was also on Fuuko's development, as well as how his relationship with her went from 'partnership of convenience' to 'actually falling for each other'.
Honestly, all of this is not taking into account UndeadxUnluck's own setting details: That characters from it would adapt to any new rules added to the world, gaining traits as if they always had it (the potential for astral projection, biological sex, the ability to change and adapt, languages, luck, a desire for clothing, ect.
If new UMA allowed for Ki and its usage, Andy would most certainly be able to get it. _Imagine how bonkers Andy would get if he was allowed to learn how to use Ki Blasts, fly, and get training like the rest of the cast._ He might actually be able to fight off threats for far longer in that case.
You are now imagining Andy using a Kamehameha mixed with Dead Road. A Dead Wave, you could call it.
Personally I think Anime Hakai would work on Andy given it can work on gag character's who in dr slump have survived narrative erasure.
Yeah anime beerys is cracked.
Yea in that case it should work
although it works on gags, Whis himself stated that it wouldn’t work on immortals. Maybe it’s a walking contradiction or that episode just wasn’t anime canon
@@Valtaoi_007 That was in the manga not in the anime
@@trappedcosmos yes that was in the anime
This man is truly beneficial to the UDUL community. Keep cooking! 🍳
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All im saying is that if Andy can keep ten god level beings sealed inside of a pocket dimension using his own soul while burning alive on the sun for 4.6 billion years hes beating everyones asses sooner or later
Medaka Kurokami Vs Undead Unluck verse
Medaka should win easily against everything except the final boss of undead unluck if she has ilhiko's ability as that can negate anything except for "language based" attacks and permanently destroys any previous form of attack.
Besides that the minus's she definitely possesses are over powered as hell scardead knocks out practically everyone due to their wounds or mental scaring being reopened, Encounter blocks any physical or mental attacks and all fiction will either erase everyone or make medaka immortal through turning her injuries an even death into nothing.
Honestly medaka if he was willing to use her entire arsenal should clear at least 90% of the verse with ease.
Undead unluck is the best new gen, it should be a crime against humanity that it is so underrated
Video idea - Franken Stein (soul eater) vs Mahito (JJK)
I want to see this matchup happen to know if Stein completely obliterates mahito or not, and if that turns out to uninteresting then you could do Mahito vs the Soul Eater gauntlet.
Any other universe i think he’d do better. But In dragonball it’s canon that overwhelming strength ALWAYS beats Hax abilities.
Not “canon” or stated ever, it’s a HUGE misconception in the fandom. I made a whole video on it recently ruclips.net/video/sD9_foHDuPI/видео.htmlsi=x3lHFVzz3rdPT2PT
@@TheSaladBar i have eyes.
And ears.
I’ve seen dragonball.
This is a consistent feat.
Strong enough opponents have overpowered the mafuba wave, hits timeskip abilities, and a hakai.
All of which In theory should circumvent any level of strength and yet our Saiyans scream, get stronger and say “no actually i counter with the power of muscles and overwhelming force.”
So i don’t need Roshi to state it as a fact because it blatantly IS a fact.
It is not a fact at all, it’s flawed logic. Most of the time when DB characters are overpowering “hax”, they’re overpowering ki-based abilities with more ki. Everything you mentioned is addressed and broken down in the video I linked, it’s a huge misconception that’s spread so far people have started to think it’s a fact that can be applied to every other verse/power system.
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Thank you. It's pretty absurd to assume being stronger than someone can completely negate any hax from any verse. Your video on that was awesome. Sadly some DB fans don't actually read and just wanna make Goku the strongest and haxiest thing in existence without actually looking into the whole argument for why "strength overpowers hax" is just false
@@Prince_LuciI think he means it isn’t “Always” as you said. Sure other abilities they were able to out strength it but Goku needed to trick Ginyu to give him back his body if I remember and Buu’s absorption didn’t get out powered. So most the time sure but not always.
Andy makes it further than most would think. I mean its basically a battle of attrition after a certain amount of time passes. Andy cant die yet he cant really hurt anybody in DB until theyre tired enough. And this is from a manga reader but ive never seen Andy sleeping.
Im not even sure he gets tired.
I mean, in one ED, he was shown to be asleep and dreaming. But that's about it.
@@LordTyph might be him when Victor tags in. It's funny how over like four years(manga run time) we have no idea what the inside of Andy's head is like.
Autumn was his memories. I guess either one takes a nap when the other tags in.
I’d say erasure and haki would not work, because Andy is holding death, soul, and the other mater rules with his soul, so since he is holding the concept of the soul in a seat that implies his soul is stronger or at least relative
well he wasn't holding Soul, and by the looks of it, it was almost like Death wasn't fighting back (to be fair, Andy IS her negator and all that). But he was fighting Soul to a stand still so
@@kingme1313 yeah good point it would be pointless for death to fight her negator
@@ilikevintagetoys2100I agree with the person above, but I do also agree with you. I don't think it will work regardless. Was by the logic of what he used in the video. There's no reason for him to not consider his soul being destroyed as a form of death because it is it's death
@@doriankamanzi6874 fully agreed
Newest chapter Andy made it from the sun to earth within 30 seconds meaning ftl is probably a good lowball
I almost edited the video to include that but that also may be attributed to Fuuko’s Unluck rather than Andy’s own speed, but true‼️
@@TheSaladBar lol ye funny how new scaling stuff always comes out after a vids done
@@TheSaladBar very true
@@foodoftherinnegan1583 I feel so bad for RUclipsrs when they make videos and them something comes out that either contradicts what they said or upscales
for seal it depends since andy was still stuck in seal only getting out by affecting seal's core, also undead is his soul not the body as shown with unsleep also for erasure depends? andy was born when the concept of death was born since he was one of the original humans through victor
Riiip man I'm caught up with anime not manga
Buu Vs Andy would be insane
Neither can die, I genuinely wonder what would they even do. Just become friends off the fact that their attacks are basically pointless?
(Unless he's fighting Super Buu or Kid Buu, may God bless his unkillable soul)
Considering Andy is stronger than Language, who created an actual Supernova with her Soul, and scales above Victor who can take on Sun’s avatars each capable of Multi-Continental explosions… yeah, it’s safe to say Andy does NOT stop at Country Lvl at this point in the manga
I've capped this entire thing at either Annos or Rimuru. Regardless of what happens. Power scaling this series will drive you nuts bc one. the powers scale at the conceptual level and that's the highest level there is next to boundless.
Two. We have no idea what the fucking master rules are capable of and the weakest of them can solo every verse there is with a few exceptions of course. Beast, Language and Sick would decimate most verses language especially bc she can will and control anything that already exists fiction or reality.
So if Ichibei whips out his bankai, Language can do the same only this one will be much stronger
Andy vs the jjk verse would go crazy if andy wasnt so strong/fast. The soul attacks might stand a chance of some sort
I have good news for you: ruclips.net/video/9hefSnzADGE/видео.htmlsi=80C1NUqMERi8QciG
imagine Moro copying Andy ability of undeath (if he could copy it which am pretty sure but correct me if I'm wrong) that would be so terrifying, and also he would get Andys ability mastery of the soul, this with the undeath ability and moros extremely large ki pool and magic mastery moro would be one of the scariest beings in dragon ball
I wonder how further he could go if he got Fuuko with him. Especially if you guarantee a contact so her bleeding heart can do some work.
Ohhh this should be a fun one.
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Salad bar it can erase immortals as was shown but because of the ring on zamasu’s finger it didn’t harm the him from the future when they killed the past him
If Zeno destroys both body and soul he wins
Only soul actually, negators need their soul to achieve their abilities, destroy them and it's all good
@@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyle Issue is, Negator abilities are tied not only to their souls, but the very concepts that they negate. And Undead in particular is an ability that affects itself, so you can't erase the ability because that would mean the ability's "death". It also depends on the user's perception of the concept, so if Andy views soul damage as a cause of death, he'll negate it. If he views existence erasure as just death with extra steps, he'll also negate it.
Even in-universe, Undead is viewed as an exceptionally _weird_ Negator ability that seems to not abide by the rules of the others due to its nature of negating death. Because Negator abilities all work on a conceptual level and are ridiculously semantic, no form of death or death-equivalent should be able to affect Andy.
@@thomasthecoolkid7228 except Zeno can destroy concepts pretty much, so assuming Andy can resist that is just baseless.
Isnt ki like body, mind and soul, this is shown in the series when characters get stronger by meditating or being able to counter mind hax so wouldn't just outscaling andy mean they tank his soul attacks as he is much weaker
that's what ki is it's a spiritual energy all beings has
like others said i do think it’s important to say that anything that was planet level had andy regen after a course of days so i do think his immortality has some limits in a certain way
Fun fact : Goku has hakai but never uses it.
He slamming the whole verse eventually
@@emoon6618 Imagine end of series Andy
Zeno erased space,time, souls, gravity, on at least a 4D level and was stated to be able to destroy anything by multiple credible characters. I feel like Andy’s getting a lot of benefit of the doubt if we’re going feat for feat. Not to mention merged Zamasu didn’t just become a timeline, official blue ray disk go into detail and say “The fused Zamasu was sliced by Trunks, but his thoughts flew into the sky, wrapping the entire earth.” Meaning not only would Zeno had to erase everything else but he erased the concept of zamasu’s will. Even super shenron has shown that he’s more than able to manipulate concepts. To recreate a universe and its timeline he’d need to recreate time,space, all the laws of physics, life, death, anti matter EVERYTHING, and he had to recreate every character with their memories and powers, magic, and unique DNA down to the atom. I can’t even name the thousands of abilities he’s capable of taking away and giving based on the 12 universes he brought back from essentially just the idea of their existence since Zeno destroyed them physically, spiritually, and possibly even conceptually. Even if Zeno didn’t erase their concept, super shenron had nothing to bring back so he at least made them from a concept.
i just notice ur pfp is venom snakw
Can you do asta vs deku
Andy isn’t immortal.
He negates “dead” if he perceives erasure as a form of way for him to become dead he wouldn’t be affected. Even if it’s isn’t “death”
He also survived GOD destroying the universe so I think this feat should be able to justify his power.
I don’t see how Zeno would beat him
Do Andy (Toy Story) next
Ginyu's body switch aside, Buu can still turn people into innanimate objects like food.
But besides that, Andy is obviously not immune to metaphorical death, since he can change as a person, evident by his alter ego. Which should also make any kind of mind control, if through illusion, memory erasure or otherwise, possible. At least in principle.
...Ginuy's body switch means that Andy has flight and ki blasts, given the time to learn it.
Ginyu would only get Andy's human body, no Undead ability, and I'd argue that Andy's strength is, in part, based on it. Even if it wasn't, Ginyu trying the stunts Andy pulls would only cause him to die a horrible death (as Andy very much feels the pain, he just tunes it out), all with no payoff.
It would be the WORST trade.
@@LordTyph I was just mentioning it because it was not mentioned in the video.
For the exact mechanics how the body switch works, though, we would lack information. So that would be speculative at best.
I’m on my hands and knees begging you to make a jjk what if 🙏
Alright cool!
I feel like you can get wacky with Andys ap scaling and get him to Galaxy(wanking) this is based off uma galaxy who is quite literally a galaxy. The 10 superior rules are stated to be the strongest rules above the likes of spoil, lava, and galaxy. We see Andy manhandle the superior rules easily while weakened iirc. Little wacky but 🤷♂️
I mean in the end it's simple. It's a tie. They can't kill him. He can't kill them. They just tie They can't tell him they can't erase him. They can trap him, but if somehow he considers being trapped for all eternity as a form of death, he'll get out of being sealed as well. So he'll just be goofing around forever. There's nothing they can do about it
summary: immortal vs hax (didnt even watch it yet peak db glaze rn)
The only problem is hakai,zeno,and beams that can disintegrate,also dying in dbz isn't worst they could just come back from the dead
Hmp guess I judge anime isn't the only RUclipsr who is doing a how far will anime characters go if they where in dragon ball
How far do you think The Hunter from Starfield would get in Dragon Ball
wait Im confused about andys ability I thought he was just very insane at regenerating but hes just like immortal zamasu?
He's regeneration comes from the conceptual ability of negating death.
Andy can negate anything he views as death on a conceptual level so long as it affects himself so he should be at the very least zamasu level of immortality bare minimum.
His soul can't pass on, his body will regenerate or be reformed from nothing and he cannot be erased from the minds of others.
@@robertgraaf6875 no, it's far better than his mortality is literally just normal. Immortality that's it. If you erase him with something like zeno it can stop it. But Andy literally negates whatever he considers death can't be forgotten because he considers being forgotten by everyone as death. He can't be erased because he considers being erased as death can't be killed normally. Obviously can't age because obviously that's getting him closer to death The only way you would be able to stop his powers is if you could change his concept of what he considers death, but they're immune to mind manipulation. Therefore you can't change what he considers death
Hakai was shown to effect immortals when beerus and later on Zeno hakai zamasu
Beerus Hakai’d present Zamasu who wasn’t immortal yet, and Zeno used Erase, not Hakai
can andy tank the ability to erase an entire timeline???
What about super dragon balls that could technically erase andys ability cause it can grant any wish
Not going to lie, if Andy where to somehow find a set of dragon balls and learn some method to fuse with an over powered character, nobody's walking out alive. Except Andy.
*forced spirit fission has entered the chat*
Doesnt a supreme kai basically govern all life and death since they are the bosses of everyone that works down there
So technically they should be above the concept of death
Especially since "killing" a supreme kai simply erases them and the god of destruction of that universe without going to the afterlife
@@potatosalad3655 I'm sorry but that is some high level glaze no he doesn't control life or death he can kill people but he can't even erase them like a god of destruction he has never shown the power to control concepts nor has any dragon ball character not counting time control and space of course
Let's gooo. More UnDead UnLuck Vs Battles.
Also, Andy can easily be wanked to Solar System level considering he's matched against Soul UMA that can handle a Supernova.
Despite the fact dragon super power scaling i s wack you still manage to make good content.
I think it boils down to whether Zeno can bypass, negate, or overpower Undead, Unluck’s god yeah? Cuz his power comes from that if I understand it correctly, so if Zeno can get past it somehow then he could definitely kill Andy
Question, would Billy's Unfair would hypothetically allow him to copy other power systems like Ki or Nen since that being impossible would fall under it being "fair"? That's something we'll never get answered in the series but that would be cool to see in some matchups
I feel like Ki in dragon ball has minor hax negation that isnt really spoken about just like how hits time stop could be resisted through strenght which is obviously tied to ki so if hypothetically your ki was strong enough couldn't you ignore undead or is that just off the table?
Any ability would need to transcend the very concept of death itself in order to kill Andy. That's just how it is. Even his soul is immortal. Also Hax negation is a redundant statement when talking about Negators bc they negate universal concepts and rules.
When two powers collide with each other it's more like watching two magnets repel. UnChange and Unbreakable are good examples.
When an Unbreakable blade clashes with an UnChange Barrier nothing happens. Sword doesn't chip. Barrier doesn't crack. They're cancelling each other out yet they're still affecting each other.
Make sense?
@furionmax7824 thank you for that yeah that does make a lot more sense only goes to show how busted he truly is lol
@@aji.n then we move on to the Umas which are even stronger. And yes. Death is one of them. We have no idea what she can do as of yet. But the Master Rules are finally loose after being imprisoned by Andy for 4.6 billion years. I doubt even Aizen can maintain a hold like that for that long.
Bro just wanted blud 😂😂😂😂😂 but nice video
Super shenron should be able to kill him
@@Lime-green-death-beam Mabye yes he has been able to be said to do anything but that doesn't mean he guaranteed can kill him he just has one of the best chances
I don't know much about undead unluck, but if andy's ability comes from the god of his verse, surely anyone who can overpower that god can overpower andy's ability.
I hate what Jiren did to db fans when it came to a vs b vs c logic
Imagine if Andy wished to be a Half Saiyan Hybrid 💀
What about Dabura’s spit?
wouldnt work he has two ways around it one his body gets petrified but he can still move his soui freely or he fires a piece of himself and regenerates from that piece instead creating a whole new body not affected
The Dead Zone
Can't you say that because Goku and Beerus were about to destroy the entire universe, including the afterlife and all the souls in it, it implies they have some influence over souls? Or is it simply that destroying the after life erases all the souls in it.
andy vs goku would prob take 60 years beacuse that how long it takes for goku to die
one word, mafuba
Roshi with a mafuba: 🗿🗿
This glitch sound effect was way louder than normal or am i trippin?
15:36 kinda ratty to say ngl we giving him things we haven’t seen it’s like a extreme no limit fallacy
hees back baby
(both this man and andy (unruin is cooked))
Unfraud getting cooked once more. That God glazer doesn't stand a chance
Salad I just got a new idea what if Andy/Victor were in dragon ball as a Saiyan???
Does he resist memory erasure cuz if he forgets how his ability works. He'll die right? Does it work like that?
I think that Shenron can take away his immortality, because we know that Dende with the unlocked potential must be between 4000-10000 units, and since his level is in planetary, he would be strong enough Dende for the wish to take effect and take away his immortality.
Negations and rules are imposed by/tied to higher characters in UU who we don’t know much about yet, but they’re well beyond galaxy level at minimum. Not a perfect comparison, but I guess a somewhat good analogy is trying to remove Zamasu’s immortality from Super Shenron with Earth’s Shenron
@@TheSaladBarbut you say he is country level?
Im think dende (planetary level) can wish againts this and negete this inmortality (but im dont see the serie im only use video information)
That’s the attack power and durability of Andy’s body, the actual negation of death and the rule of death itself is tied to godly figures and concepts/laws in UU rather than Andy himself. It’s a bit complicated to explain in a comment, but that Zamasu analogy is a good comparison I think.
Another example: Zamasu’s immortality was imposed on him by Super Shenron, but he can be injured by Trunks and co still. That doesn’t mean Trunks surpassed Super Shenron’s power and immortality, just that he surpasses Zamasu’s durability. Think of it like that
@@TheSaladBar i understand
andy wouldn’t survive a hakai bc hakai doesn’t kill you it erases you from the verse the only way to even avoid getting erased is to be physically stronger than the attack which andy is not
@@sun_vfx his powers works based of what he considered death and yes being erased from exists would count as death for him obviously that's why being forgotten was a form of death for him so you can't forget him
@@doriankamanzi6874 if you read long enough i legit said the only possible way to avoid hakai is to be stronger than the output. since hakai can even erase literal toon force
@@sun_vfx yeah, and if you actually knew how dragon Ball worked, you would know that hakai has yet to show the ability to erase anything at a conceptual level. Therefore it doesn't matter if he's not stronger. His power is stronger because it works at a conceptual level. The thing is dragon Ball fans tend to just leave out the most important parts of the power system to make it the most optimal for them. From what we can tell no one can affect anything out of conceptual level but maybe super shenron
@@sun_vfx And don't go on saying oh. But we said there's nothing that he can't destroyed. We actively saw later on. He can't destroyed whis was Just exaggerating so until someone with hakai destroyed time itself or any actual concept? No, it will not work on Andy. Not to mention it doesn't even affect immortals. Like he said, you don't have to be stronger than the user of hakai to be immune to it
If Andy was in dragon ball snd and no author or writer and noy in his verse with no fking plot armor who wins
Now Im only at where the anime is, so im probably gonna skip over the parts of Andys' explanation that spoils the series.
But I'm pretty sure Andy is immune to complete destruction. I DONT MEAN EXISTENCE ERASURE. I mean something like complete matter destruction. So, in a scenario where stalemates count as a win for Andy(Ignoring the Mafuba, Devilmite Beam, and Change Now), He hard stops at Imperfect Cell
Though you could argue that Andys and Victors consciousness could linger if wank a bit and say that Victor and Andy are able exist because of some sort of supernatural abilitie and not because their separate personalities(not saying thats what it is im saying if we want to implie it that way)
And if we count him "surviving" in Cell as a "win," he hard stops at Buu as since Cell would win with Andys immorality. Buu immediately comes along and turns Cell into candy and kills/permanently immobilizes him(which i count as loss) or he absorbs him which Buus body seems to turn its residents into catatonic state so even in the wank scenario where we gave Andy a Supernatural consciousness presence(Kinda like Sukuna does) he hard stops at Buu
And IK Cell could try to suck Buu withbhis tail but I never see him pulling it off as Buu is just so insanely stronger than him and even if Buu got nicked he would be fast enough to immediately move out of the way before hes fully absorbed. And then Buu would immediately turn him into candy or absorb him for trying to the same to him(Buus dumb but he's aware enough to know what was going on just clarifying)
But if we WANK further and say that Cell absorbs Buu and the catatonic state that Buu puts his victims im doesn't apply to Cell because he absorbed him into his very essences and that Andys body is no longer to be put into a Catatonic state. Then he'd hard stop at Beerus as he would never be hurt by Cells attack (and while he shouldn't have been able to absorb Buu since Buu just lets attack go right through him it could possibly work) and even with Buss abilities he would get erased even if he surrounds Beerus there not a reality even a hypothetical one where Beerus lets that happen. Even if he absorbed Beerus since he's so much stronger than Cell infused Buu, the inate Ki he just has casually chilling in his body will be enough to protect him from Buus assimilation And Beerus would just erase him. Definitely hard stops there.
That's my rant long but I think this pretty accurate in Wanking Reality where we let the Improbable happen.(If you don't know what Improbable is, google it)
Dragon ball charecters can ignore haxs with strength
That isn't shown to work on any kind of conceptual hax so it wouldn't work
haxes based on ki. Not all haxes. Vegeta couldn't resist Guldo's time freeze even though he was stronger
Not at all, I actually just made an entire video about that ruclips.net/video/sD9_foHDuPI/видео.htmlsi=mknwPOVFQG4sxHAL
@@TheSaladBar Erm, acctualy tao pai pai overpowered general blue's hax abbility so the meme is correct!
@@determination982
Goku didn't overpower captain Ginyu's hax despite being much stronger he still got body swapped so it's clear that ki has a limitation on what it can and cannot negate.
Its much more realistic to believe that ki only matters against others who use ki.
Magic/ reality warping hax which doesn't care about the targets durability should be completely usable against the dragonball verse.
I don’t agree mainly because existence and death are to VERY different things I might be provin wrong later but in general I think most of the erasers would work except gokus eraser plus in general I don’t see Andy really getting past anyone with a complete hakai let alone zenos
Lol andy became the immovable object to zenos unstoppable force