Would Michael Penix Be A Top 5 Pick Aside From His Injuries? | Pat McAfee Reacts
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Frank Gore played in the NFL for 16 seasons after 2 ACL tears while in college. As long as the orthopedic exams check out (complete w/knee & shoulder MRIs) and with two consecutive productive & healthy seasons in the books, Penix's health shouldn't be a concern at all
What about his two shoulder injuries and Frank gore is the exception not the rule
UW/Seahawks fan here. No way I want this guy to leave the city. No one is talking, but go back to the big games during the 4th quarter, the WHOLE TEAM (EVERYONE!) was in a huddle with him getting motivated by him. This guy is the #1 leader in the clubhouse and on the field. After watching him for two years, there are alot of teams sleeping on him on purpose, they dont want to give up their hand.
100 percent correct but won't be making it to you guys. He will be in Silver and Black
@@LosAngelesRaider11
RAAAIIIDDDEEERRRSSS!!!
Sadly I think your right. @@LosAngelesRaider11
if the raiders dont take him, that would be my 2nd team for him
Geno, Howell, Penix. Keep on grabbing at value players till one hits. Hope it pans out for the hawks.
Rodger is 40 with a torn Aquiles tendon but penix is an issue.
I watched every play of every game and in every game he was the best player..... He played against bo..nex Caleb Williams.... He carried the Washington huskies all year..... He was clutch in the big moments.
Penix can do whatever tua is doing and has a higher ceiling. The fact jj maccarthy gets more hype is funny
I get your point but JJ didn't look like a$$ in the playoffs
@@aaronchapman3lol penix had a below average game against the best defense in college football in the finals while just dismantling the Texas defense a game prior. I wouldn’t say he looked like ass. Definitely isn’t a clock manager like JJ is 😂
Man... your brain been fried by fake news lolol. No.
Adonai Mitchell is the most underrated player in draft
@@aaronchapman3how any teams did he play in the playoffs?
Penix is better than Tua ever was. I watchced a few Husky games and his arm talent is second to none.
Another rg3 one good season maybe and he’ll be plagued with injuries
@@crustycritters6148the knee injury was 4 years ago and hes only gotten better. of the top 5 qb’s penix had the least time to throw at 2.68 seconds and had the lowest pressure to sack rate averaging 2.5x less likely to take a sack than the next guy in jj. dudes an elite pocket passer.
@@sorrymane Exactly, he gets the ball out better than any 1st round QB in this draft, and throws a better deep ball.
@@sorrymanethe problem is when pressure does come Penix gets rattled easily
His arm would be bottom half in the league next year
Not in order, just QBs with better arms:
Allen
Mahomes
Love
Herbert
Richardson
Levis
Stafford
Stroud
Lawrence
Williams
Maye
Rodgers
Goff
Hurts (maybe)
Lock (I think DJ is gonna either get injured early or will just get benched early)
Carr
Darnold
100% if he wasnt injured he would be highly thought of. But the injuries are always going to effect your stock.
A penix without injury baggage is a top 3 QB
the oldest and the most injury prone qbs always slide a bit. hendon hooker went to the 3rd round i believe. thats why jj and maye will probably go before them (him and nix). but i wont have any issue having bo nix to the broncos and penix to the raiders. i mean need to do it now because there is a drop off after that... the 7th qb probably will go day 3. and next year, it doesnt seem it will be a rich qb class.
@@dodu8281 I think the Vikings could be a sneaky place for Penix. They have good left and right tackles, they need a more mature QB to run their offense who can stand in the pocket, and want a QB who can attack down field. They could also possibly grab him at 11 and not have to spend 3 firsts trading up. Though with the raiders and broncos trying to trade up, they may have to a little. My guess though is if the giants don’t take a QB no one trades up, but if the giants do, teams will be in a frenzy for nix and penix
But Cousin is perfectly healthy?
Penix & Michael Pratt are so slept on
Adonai Mitchell is the most underrated player in draft
@@123shoshan fam I agree, literally a ceedee lamb lite
who is micheal pratt
@@123shoshanhe gonna be a first round WR that’s not underrated
@@beezyburnaPratt is the Tulane guy I believe. Is Michael his first name?
There's a video out there where someone flipped his footage to look like a right handed qb and you can really see how special his arm talent really is
Very good point. Need to do an experimental video myself.
If Al Davis were alive, he'd pick Penix in the first round. Truer words were never spoken, Lombo.
Hopefully they do . Raiders !!!!
Penix isn't gonna bust. Dude can throw from pocket. Gets first downs and has a great arm with touch. He can run but that is the last option.
Penix has by FAR the best arm in the draft (accuracy, velocity, and strength) and it's not even close. He needs some work on footwork and vision, but he's the best pure arm easily in the draft. Lot of times a QB just has strength, but Penix has all 3 categories. He's also very fast and can scramble very well, UW just never had him do it (partly because he had the best WR group in the nation).
Don't be surprised if he's a Bronco, Raider or Viking.
As a Viking fan i would be so happy if we could keep both 1st rounders and land penix.
Raiders draft this guy low risk high reward!
It would break my heart if he becomes a donkey
@charlieadams9318 how so? Are you hoping he falls into 2nd round?
@@elscruffomcscruffy8371 no, we would use either the 11th or 23rd overall pick on him. Id rather take penix and draft another need with the other 1st round pick instead of trading both 1sts this year and possibly the 1st next year to move up and take Drake Maye or somone like that...but who knows how many of these kids will pan out in the NFL.
Oh no, I liked Penix before Lombardi put his stamp of approval on him. I must be wrong.
"HOW DO YOU KNOW" 😂
How do you know, mister 3 times super bowl champ GM???"
I've seen him on Pro-day and watched some film on him and can't shake the feeling that the injury concerns maybe because he hasn't fully grown into his body despite being 23-24. Might be the baby face, but a year of sitting behind a QB like Darnold and developing his body athletically with time and introduced slowly, I think he blooms into a great QB
I feel like the top 4 picks were already predetermined with Caleb, Daniel’s, Maye and MHJ. So it’s really just a matter of if a team that desperately needs a QB at 5 or a team that desperately needs a QB traded up to 5.
Raiders baby 🙏☠️🏴☠️☠️🏴☠️☠️🏴☠️
Penix has a 2 step draw that creates an option to pull left when the route goes right. If the defense counters on the zone pressure read the he can then drop a 12 scheme double advance forward motion. You can’t teach that.
Penix would be a top 5 qb if there were no other qbs in this class. Its not that hard people!
So simply stated 👏
Really want my Vikings to snatch his ass up at pick 11! He’s is a warrior
I want him to go to Minnesota… it’s the healthiest situation for him… you have a top three receiver, a top five tight end and a solid #2 receiver… also their coach is good at getting the best out of their offensive players
Not to mention MN has 2 good tackles, so they could accommodate a lefty QB
No. His aim and reads are not good enough. I’d rather trade up to three and get Maye. Mocks have Commanders taking Daniels, so Maye should be there. Maye needs development, but the Vikings are much better for the O-line than NC was for him. Penix is too much of a risk for the Vikings.
@@osamabedunkin2323 the giants may take maye if he falls to them to replace jones. Maye is a project qb with possible upside and plenty of risk in the accuracy department. He’s also coming off a down year. Reality is most of these QBs this year are much closer than it appears, but the Vikings not having to trade next years first would be big. JJ and maye really need to sit a year where Penix might be ready to go half way through the year and if darnold sucks out the gate, the Vikings could put him in.
@@osamabedunkin2323 Based on what? Every evaluator praises Penix's processing and his accuracy, especially down the field. It's one of his biggest strengths. If you're worried about accuracy, Maye is the funniest choice you could make given his inconsistency. That could get fixed, of course, but he is a high projected pick because of potential more than anything else.
@@ahastar1141 Maye won’t drop to the Giants pick. Either the Vikings or Raiders are trading up to #3 for either Daniels or Maye, whoever is left after the Commanders pick. The Patriots HC has basically said in the press conference that they are ready to trade the pick. The Giants will go either with O-line, or WR. I don’t think the Giants can go QB whilst still paying Jones big time money. Maye fits better with the Vikings scheme than Penix. No reason for the Vikings to have 2 first rounders this year if they weren’t going to trade up. If you saw the McAfee clip with KOC, it was basically a yes when asked about trading up.
If you want to watch Penix throw, there is a video where it shows him throwing right handed and it’s really eye opening how we view left handed throwers.
Mike lombardi looks like judd from purple daily. Doppelganger status for sure.
Purple Daily is my favorite show as a Viking Fan!!
@1175drh me too purple ftw is super close though. Judd is that guy.
Raiders makes so much sense cause if he does get injured you still have Minshew, but if he doesn't you have a talent that can compete with mahomes, and he'll have Davontae to throw to
Funny how all the opinions changed just because the falcons drafted him
I’m a Commanders fan. Don’t miss on Penix. Most ready play qb in this draft.
Theyre acting like he’s a RB it WR with multiple ACL tears he’s a QB the ACL is only needed to plant and drive everything else is cherries on top.
Inconsistent accuracy is obvious to anyone who dives in past the highlight videos. Throwing motion was build around his right acl tears, throws entirely from the shoulder and will always have inconsistencies if that continues
2 ACL's and still projected as a top 20 pick, with legit athletic measurements, that should tell you how good he is
i always said he has a beautiful throw that ball looks amazing the thing is can his legs keep up
I think injuries will be a factor but they'll mostly likely be overlooked cuz team still believe he's an asset
Yes he could.
Next question!
I don’t care what anyone says. I watched him all year. He is the best quarterback in this draft my Raiders please listen to me and go get him.
If he never twice tore his right ACL, yes. Although he still has an outstanding arm, his delivery changed somewhat. Watch his tape from pre-injury Indiana vs. today. He puts a lot of torque on that shoulder now and favors that knee. When there is any clutter around him, he protects that plant leg and throws off his back foot a lot. He cuts his dropbacks short. He overcomes it at the collegiate level because his arm is so strong, but the NFL is a different league. Time will wear on his shoulder due to this. Cutting drops short and at times throwing late will lead to interceptions. He cant just throw deep all the tome to wide open receivers in the NFL.
Penix plays like Watson just left handed
Hes my favorite..... really good an overlooked
Okay the Penix injury concerns are valid but think of it this way when considering the position of QB. Do you think Cincinnati Bengals regret drafting Joe Burrow #1 overall only to suffer season ending knee & wrist injuries? IMO absolutely not!
I just dont understand the people hyping jj over penix. I think jj is one of those QBs like tebow who were good in college but his game wont translate well to the League. Penix has the tools to be an nfl QB. Some of the throws he made in the playoffs were amazing.
Best pocket QB prospect vs. NFL expectations on film, not even close. Everyone else just "esthetically looks" or "sounds" better. None performed better.
Ryan grubb to Seattle if Seahawks pass on him even with his coordinator who has intel on him will say a lot so
I don't see the Seahawks hiring the former Husky OC without the desire of drafting Penix. Or, they desire to have a more downfield attack featuring DK or both. The aquisition of Laviska Shenault Jr might make Locket tradable? I don't see the 'Hawks carrying two high WR contracts.
No. Dude has busted mechanics that won’t last beyond his rookie deal. He doesn’t set his feet, he throws routine passes off his back foot, and he forces balls into traffic.
On top of poor processing, a lack of touch, general inaccuracy (due to abysmal footwork)... I swear, people say "arm talent" and what they mean is "arm strength". Yes, Penix throws hard. But he doesn't throw accurately, with touch, with anticipation, he didn't show the ability to get through his progression within the timing of the play, and was endlessly bailed out by throwing up 50/50 balls to Odunze.
@@SenorCouponwtf was you watching 😂😂
Penix has 2 factors keeping him from being super high. If he was a year younger and just had this good of a season and the other is yeah the injuries
Lombardi knows ball, Penix has the best deep ball in this class
Number 0 from Michigan agrees as he returned that interception 70 yards
all QBs throw picks im not moved 😂
@@rlh5870 that was on 4th down and 19
He'll also be a 24 year old rookie, that probably drops his draft stock along with the injury history.
I watched Penix Jr play in prime time games and come up big until he took that nasty hit in the CFP before the championship. For both it depends who drafts them & whether or not they have to play immediately. Penix Jr to any team he is not expected to be the starter this year would be the right call.
Trading up for JJ is the wrong call.
Have a boatload of money invested in Penix. That is how confident I am in his ability and health. Husky fan here and we watch his games over and over. Put him on the team with his old OC and lookout.
Two issues one: his injury issues and two: he can’t handle pressure. The latter can be hopefully trained but the former is set in stone.
@@oak8728 Can't handle pressure? He had the best sack ration of any QB in the draft and rarely runs the ball... which means he's getting rid of it with efficiency. That my friend, is handling pressure.
@@garyco766 watch the pac12 championship game and the championship game again
He had the best offensive line in the country, along with 3 future nfl recievera @@garyco766
A left handed Raider QB, who would of thought. Snake would approve.
Future raider
Adonai Mitchell is the most underrated player in draft
Raiders or Seahawks I’m keeping my fingers crossed for Penix
Penix and Davante 👀
Whether or not GMs think he's healthy or not, someone will draft him because of his upside. Whether or not that will be in the 1st round idk, but he is most definitely a first round talent barring injuries.
HE IS A DAWG .. CALLED IT WITH STROUD IM CALLING IT WITH THIS ONE IM TELLING YOU
Where are Metts Mocks
I hope the giants take him in 1st round and have him sit for 1 year behind Jones. Hes gonna die if he gets put behind their current oline lol
Would love for him to replace Tua. Would also like if the Dolphins took a WR at 21.
He will be the best qb
I'm farmyard certain someone is taking him in round 1
Yes he's an absolute stud. Should have been heisman
Penix has such an awkward looking release when he throws, or maybe it’s just me cause I never see it talked about
PLEASE tell me you would not change his delivery.
Not a fan of the team necessarily but id like to see Penix end up in Minnesota cause i think that would give him the best chance to succed of the teams that will be drafting a QB this year. But it seems most belive the Vikings are gonna trade up for JJ McCarthy.
What about Denver? They have Drew Breese's old HC and a top10 O-line. And they came on strong at the end of last season. Oh, and they DESPERATELY need a QB. Seems like a solid landing spot.
@@garyco766 they are in the worst division to try and be successful. And I don't see Penix as a fit for Sean Payton and his offense. I see him wanting with Bo Nix or McCarthy
How’s that Deshawn Watson thing working out?
100%
Pac 12 quarterbacks are all over rated because the Pac 12 had the worse passing defenses in the country. The highest rated was Oregon in the 50’s. When Penix came up against a good pass defense in Michigan he collapsed. He never showed the same potential against Big 10 defenses at Indiana.
He’s a top 3 QB in this draft class
(Again, aside from injury) To answer the question is this guy CLEARS Wilson, Trubisky, Pickett, etc.. coming out of the draft and these guys went top picks. Makes you think how dumb some GMs can be sometimes.
People are just letting Brock Bowers walk by and it's sad as hell
Facts 💪🏾 💯
If Penix doesn’t get picked in the first round.. does Jerry jones throw a haymacker and draft him 👀.. I’ve seen him do much more stupid things
Lame and Penix with 50m available and they let Dak walk after the season
Crazy things have happened
I want him to stay in Seattle and reunite wirh Grubb with the Hawks
Viking!!
Giants might take him at 6th or someone else may trade with the Chargers for the 5th pick.
Vikings should keep their picks and pick him at 23
Wake up . He’s not getting past raiders
Giants may take him at the 6th pick.
Been saying it for a month im not sold on any qb in this class I think it’s a very weak qb class just my opinion hope these kids prove me wrong
Please do not bring Lombardi back on show. The active GMs are always better.
since you said please you will get double the lombardi going forward
This man is the best pure passing, with agility and yall keep dismissing him. Pure clownery.
This has cowboys written all over it
Yes he’s the best QB in the draft. Look back in 5 will tell you
Giants should trade back a couple spots and take this guy (and sit him for one year behind DJ).
someone may trade with the Chargers at 5 for a QB
I think hes the most NFL ready QB in the draft.
Penix to Tampa LFG!!!!
Lombardi aka the Raider hater FTP
4.42 not 4.5
Pats will trade with the Vikings. They’ll take a tackle with the 11th pick and Penix with the 23rd pick. I would have said the raiders but they really want Daniels and if they can’t get him they’ll probably go all in on defense.
Caleb
Jayden
Penix
He got a shot to be to be great
3rd down ints and I worry bout penix hitting the lay ups consistently
Injuries matter.
Remember when this show was awesome?
I think the Raiders might get him in Round 2
Im down for a patriots trade down and draft penix.
Give him a five year guaranteed contract.
Baaaahahahahahohohohohehehehe.
Penix should be a top 5 pick
Somebody is paying Mike to be on this show and it's not the show
I just feel bad for the team that drafts the hot garbage that is Caleb Williams!
I doubt he'd be top5, he's still older for a QB which could speak to potential and ceiling, he's also a left handed QB which means schematically you are flipping the offense for your WR plays and some guys aren't as adept or used to starting routes on the other side of the field. I think without the injuries he'd for sure be a top 15 pick.
Injuries from 3 seasons ago smh
3 of the first 6 QBs taken will be busts or weak backup QBs. 1 might end up a top 5 QB in the league eventually.
Statistically if this ended up being as good as the best draft class of QBs ever, 1 would be a star, 2 would be long term starters, and 3 would be busts, or low upside back ups
Penix is the 2nd best QB behind Jayden Daniels
Penix is going to the Vikings @ 24 or whatever (might be 23)
That’s why they traded up that’s as far as they need to go to get him. Gives him the 1st round pedigree and respect, had the top 5 potential w/out injuries is a perfect spot
I think broncos at 12 will go for him.
Vikings would have to pick him at 11. He isnt getting past he raiders or Broncos unless JJ is still on the board
@@ahastar1141 I would just say that he doesn’t fall past that pick no matter what. based on all the news you’re probably right he probably won’t slip past the top 12
@@benmecha01 I actually think depending on what the giants do someone could try to trade with the bears to get him at 9. Bears won’t trade with the Vikings so Denver or raiders could jump the Vikings at 9 and the bears could get some extra draft capital.
I think the Giants might take him at the 6th pick, unless someone trades with the chargers at 5.
Dolphins fans? What y’all think? Should we? No?
I been saying I’d take penix for over a year. Worrying about injuries is fair … but if you give me 2 straight healthy seasons I’m fine. His injuries were because he was playing with one of the worst lines in the country
If the Vikings dont trade up to get one of the big 4, I could see Minnesota taking him.
RUclips, please fix the bots. The majority of the comments at this point are bots.
no they are real common sense sports fans that see a bust gtf outta here