We actually shot the video before that was announced. The big thing was the CATL announcement near the middle of last month. We just got lucky with the Reliance announcement :)
@@TechforLudditesSira Energy sector is very volatile right now, solar concentrator tech was much sought after and was considered much cheaper than solar cells just few years ago but economy of scale of solar cells proved killer for solar concentrator so all those big investments are running in loss. I hope this will not turn into a similar story, I guess it won't as you said it can become replacement for lead acid batteries in case li-ion catches up with economy of scale. 👍👍
I love the idea of using different chemistries for different applications. For grid storage, batteries don't need to be light. Better to use sodium batteries for utility storage and save the more energy dense batteries for applications that require them. 🙂
I'm curious about where this technology takes us when paired with our planets growing number of desalination plants. I wonder if there would be a way for the very harmful salty brine waste of those plants to be converted into usable sodium for a growing sodium-ion battery market. If so, it could solve the waste issue of desalination plants and provide us with cheap energy storage.
@@TechforLudditesSira That is why it's from when i discovered your channel that I have asked you few things: Solar Water-Desalination Domes, Stirlings Engines optimization and Pixie cuts... Because they are things that looks good on you. You barely give any of this to me.
i have been wondering this for a long time, and where i live a desal plant that supports these batteries could also lower power costs by storing power when it is cheap and use that instead of peak-power costs, lowering the cost of desal water.
Sodium-Ion is definitely picking up pace, but still need time to mature and will no doubt find it's uses growing more popular in all markets. The scarcity of lithium compared to sodium makes a good case for this. Excellent video - thanks for sharing.
Man coming back to the channel after 3 years feels different. Used to watch smartphone reviews from this channel and now it's a complete new demographic. Presentation skills have improved so much. Hats off ❤️
Na+ is really a competitor with LFP batteries. (No cobalt or nickel for both.) Both have lower energy density than the NCA and NMC chemistries. Good for stationary storage (and lower range EV's). Both are safer. People have know about Na+ for a long time. While the costs for lithium batteries have been going down with mass production, ... it is expected to go up again, with exponential growth in demand, and commodities shortage. This is where Na+ comes in. It opens up another resource front, one that is less problematic. Price is expected to be comparable to LFP. Na+ can also utilize existing lithium ion battery production infrastructure, to churn out the batteries.
I would be very interested in sodium ion batteries for residential power storage. Lowered risk of fire is a huge plus, as well as better performance at lower temps in winter.
Thank you so much for these videos. I think I have the greatest amount of respect for you that I do for any scientist, and the reference in a perfectly normal list of things salt is used for to binding elder demons was hilarious and would never have been made over here. If you are in the academe here - you have to be very careful what you say, even with tenure. Have a great day.
Sodium ion should be a great solution for stationary energy storage. They could also work well as a daily driver battery in swappable battery cars like Nio. Just swap for higher density batteries for long trips.
I just looked this us as a side by side replacement for a small Li-ion battery I use in my current product, and I think it might be a good fit to replace it. They don't have as many options yet for sizes, but the price point is spot on. That it is shipable safe is a nice bonus.
The more the merrier when it comes to batteries :) Energy storage is one of the last major hurdles to an entirely renewable energy future, we'll need every battery we can produce.
Aluminium-ion is another battery chemistry that is very promising. Graphene manufacturing group and saturnose have made big claims about their aluminium ion batteries.
Would sodium batteries be suitable for home energy storage? Even though they've got a lower energy density than lithium batteries, it wouldn't really matter if you've got the space to store a larger sodium battery e.g. in your basement or even buried underground in your back garden.
fun fact: Bluetti actually showed off their sodium-ion based home energy storage system at CES this year, they called it the Bluetti NA300. They haven't posted any updates on it since, so I presume they're not quite ready to sell it yet, though they had physical prototypes at their exhibition booth.
Thanks for the real tech video.:)! Instead of product reviews, this gives a real insight on tech development and research updates of our times.!! Ps nice hairstyle.
i am not a Luddite but a mech engg techie.. lady, u have no idea how many times i had to press "left arrow" key to keep up with the tech u said....is it bcos today's saturday or that tight blue top panache?
these kinds of cheaper and safer li-ion alternatives seem like they'd be great in FCEVs and HEVs where high specific energy is less important, and likewise for grid energy storage systems using battery buffered electrolysis and fuel cells
The 1 scientific breakthrough that I am waiting breathlessly for is the perfection of a language translation device. It will allow perfect translations not only between various spoken languages but convert accents into ones that everybody can easily understand. ;-)
Very cool - makes me wonder if sea salt from desalinization processes can be used? In any case I don't think lithium is the long term answer - I'm not anti lithium or whatever, I just don't think there is going to be enough (along with the other ingredients mentioned) even if seawater was suddenly a cheap source of lithium.
Na-ion might be ok for grid storage but doesn't seem to have adequate power density. Despite the drawbacks of lithium, it's still advancing, I think next big thing will be lithium-air batteries which have double the density of li-ion and can go even higher. People want more power in a smaller pkg, esp for aviation. I think India's aluminum battery has very serious potential given how high the energy density is, but it's not rechargeable, though I can still see a market for it.
Note that India has two aluminium-based technologies: their aluminium-air battery, which is non-rechargeable, and their solid-state aluminium-ion battery, which is rechargeable, though has the same drawbacks of low capacity-to-weight ratio as sodium ion.
That is only for mobility though. There is actually a very big market for storage. Even bigger than automobiles because of all the renewable that is being used now. In fact with couple of advancements in LFP battery like silicon loading of anode it can provide enough energy density for most mobility other than where high power is required like trucks. Lithium air or lithium anode will mostly be limited to cases where weight saving is absolutely necessary like electric air planes.
seems like a sodium battery would be able to out-compete a lithium battery for stationary storage mediums. if you need it to be portable and powerful lithium is king, put if you need an industrial battery for buildings, towns, national grids - then sodium would likely be a winner based on both opportunity cost and actual cost. my only remaining question would be - how is this not already a thing!
I could easily see utilities installing Na-Ion batteries at substations of even neighborhoods to store locally produced power for voltage support and outage mitigation, while not taxing the grid or requiring expensive upgrades
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LFP is really cool for the reasons you mentioned. Sodium-ion has the additional advantage of not requiring Lithium which, as of today, has a lot of negative environmental consequences.
Great video. One thing I'd like to address is that lithium actually has a slightly higher electronegativity (holds its electron harder) than sodium. I don't see how that makes it the electronegativity 'king'. That said, yes standard reduction potential of lithium is larger and it is far lighter than sodium. That is the advantage, not its reactivity.
Although, now that I think of it....maybe having a slightly higher, but still low, electronegativity could be better...perhaps lithium is king in that way. It depends on how you define it.
For transportation you will always want the lightest battery possible, even if you don't need a 500km range. The lighter the battery the lighter the car. The lighter the car the lighter the motor which makes the car even lighter which means you can use a smaller lighter battery. But for a home backup system all you care about is how cheap it is so there should be something better than a Tesla wall.
i mean if we are talking battery storage where energy density doesnt matter, why are you talking about cobalt based chemistries when LFP batteries already exist? for large scale energy storage, no cobalt is not a pesky part of the equation, because its not even a part of the equation to begin with if all you want is large scale storage where lower energy density is acceptable. nickel, aluminium and cobalt based chemistries are only needed for applications that require high energy density, because LFP already fill all the niches for the areas that do not require it, and better yet, LFP already exists and is being produced at mass scale, with significant increases to production capacity already under way.
LFP batteries still need Lithium which has a huge environmental cost in its extraction. Sodium on the other hand is ubiquitous. But you’re totally correct in that these batteries will go head to head in the near future.
My guess is that grid-scale systems will end up being flow batteries, presuming the issues can be resolved. Maybe ammonia. This seems especially promising for roof-top solar, or grid frequency regulation. I wonder what the C rating will end up being?
I have calculated it for Germany alone. They need a strategic reserve over at least 3 months - preferably 6 months. Thats 200 TWh total energy. Could you imagine the size and cost of a „battery“ for - say - 1 TWh? And then multiply it with 200. And that’s to be invested and reinvested and serviced and maintained every year. And that’s only Germany! Sorry, no battery of today, neither Li or Na or Flow and not even cooled air batteries are large enough. And not for the next 20 years.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 We never had a mined strategic reserve of coal for 6 months. Nor one that large for oil or or natural gas. Why would you choose that for something that is more expensive? A more realistic first goal is one sufficient 24 hours of solar. Then maybe two weeks of wind.
@@richdobbs6595 Because you can always make more coal - you do not need a reserve Just dig it out of the ground and deliver it with steam locomotives. In Europe we have gas reserves. Usually 6 Months, that’s 22 Cubic KILOMETERS for germany alone. This winter the reserve is down to only about 2,5 months and that is a critical shortage. Russia knows this and has raised the gas prices. To get more money of course and to finance their war against Ukraine. What has this to do with strategic reserves? If you have gas and coal and oil to burn in your power plants and have a strategic reserve of around 3 months you would want the same from only electric energy. How do you store your electric energy? In pump power stations of course or in batteries - which can never be large enough to hold all those electrons - or in the form of - GAS - to be burned in your existing gas power plants. We have seen what happens if you do not follow scientific advice and let your power plants freeze in winter. How many life’s has this one cost in Texas alone? And has the state made sure that does not happen again? Ever? Imagine that most of Europe is one big electric grid. And this electric grid is very subtle balanced. One major blow in Poland or Spain, In Greece or Germany and the grid breaks down. The so-called blackout scenario. Even our military forces prepare for that regularly. Now imagine that happens in summer - winter is no problem around here we have other forms of heating - but in summer the lines and transformers are already hot and overloaded. Not a nice scenario when you do not have the strategic reserve - Yes that will be mostly used in winter, dark days, less wind, less water, no sun shining over 3 or 4 weeks. But the same can occur in summer…
@@wolfgangpreier9160 the cycle life varies from manufacturer to manufacturer. Natron Energy provides 50K-100K cycles on their Na-ion batteries, while AMTE Power (using Faradion technology) provides slightly over 1000 cycles. The former are meant for UPS inside server racks, while the latter are more general-purpose.
@@PixlRainbow We‘ll see if they become available whether those are correct numbers or not. Currently i can not even buy a Li-Ion UPS from Eaton because of „chip shortage“. Everything is on „chip shortage“. But poisonous lead acid is still available? Bollocks!
Ok, buy why you are saying that the Na ion will not catch fire? If Na ion will also need organic Solvent & Electrolyte like DM , Pc Or EC ? Or..... It will use DES!!
Who in india is doing anything regarding turbostratic graphene. Can someone guide me regarding this . I can send samples along with various test results.
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If electricity and computer control come through a roof deck (think electric trains), lithium ion batteries and self driving cars, plus oil in urban areas and on highways, is not required.
I see this being a viable solution for UPSes, portable power banks, and storage for renewable energy. These require enormous amounts of power but aren't concerned with energy density or weight. However, there's already plenty of competition in many of those markets. For mobile devices and vehicles, lithium is bound to stay.
Another thing to keep in mind is they are still more energy dense than lead acid batteries which are used in UPS's and whatnot most of the time. So if they can be competitive in price to lead/acid then a lot of things could get lighter & cheaper.
Fire risk, Cobalt & low charge damage, are all risks which are associated with NMC batteries. LFP batteries are presently, already supplanting these concerns...
One may guess that once sodium extraction from seawater becomes an industry standard, there will eventually be a host of other elements that will be extracted economically.
It would be nice if this actually was a viable technology, but until Lithium mining begins substancially slowing down, or we get a larger breathrough in SI battery production, higher costs are a complete deal-breaker for the market. It will be a useful technology moving into 1 to 2 decades in the future perhaps, but its far off from competitiveness.
Sodium ion will replace LFP batteries. But high specific energy lithium batteries continue to be atleast half of battery of passenger cars and not at all present in trucks.
Just read the news, Reliance investing heavily on sodium-ion battery Giga factory tells the future this has in India, you caught this so fast, Kudos!
We actually shot the video before that was announced.
The big thing was the CATL announcement near the middle of last month.
We just got lucky with the Reliance announcement :)
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@@TechforLudditesSira Energy sector is very volatile right now, solar concentrator tech was much sought after and was considered much cheaper than solar cells just few years ago but economy of scale of solar cells proved killer for solar concentrator so all those big investments are running in loss.
I hope this will not turn into a similar story, I guess it won't as you said it can become replacement for lead acid batteries in case li-ion catches up with economy of scale. 👍👍
I love the idea of using different chemistries for different applications. For grid storage, batteries don't need to be light. Better to use sodium batteries for utility storage and save the more energy dense batteries for applications that require them. 🙂
I'm curious about where this technology takes us when paired with our planets growing number of desalination plants. I wonder if there would be a way for the very harmful salty brine waste of those plants to be converted into usable sodium for a growing sodium-ion battery market. If so, it could solve the waste issue of desalination plants and provide us with cheap energy storage.
That’s an interesting idea. Sounds wild running the world on salt, but would be much preferable to the current scenario.
@@TechforLudditesSira That is why it's from when i discovered your channel that I have asked you few things: Solar Water-Desalination Domes, Stirlings Engines optimization and Pixie cuts...
Because they are things that looks good on you.
You barely give any of this to me.
Very good point. It would make desalination cheaper since they will sell the sodium instead of release it in the sea
Interesting 👍
i have been wondering this for a long time, and where i live a desal plant that supports these batteries could also lower power costs by storing power when it is cheap and use that instead of peak-power costs, lowering the cost of desal water.
This channel always makes me so hopeful for our future. Keep up the amazing work!
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Sodium-Ion is definitely picking up pace, but still need time to mature and will no doubt find it's uses growing more popular in all markets. The scarcity of lithium compared to sodium makes a good case for this. Excellent video - thanks for sharing.
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Man coming back to the channel after 3 years feels different. Used to watch smartphone reviews from this channel and now it's a complete new demographic. Presentation skills have improved so much. Hats off ❤️
Na+ is really a competitor with LFP batteries. (No cobalt or nickel for both.) Both have lower energy density than the NCA and NMC chemistries. Good for stationary storage (and lower range EV's). Both are safer.
People have know about Na+ for a long time. While the costs for lithium batteries have been going down with mass production, ... it is expected to go up again, with exponential growth in demand, and commodities shortage. This is where Na+ comes in. It opens up another resource front, one that is less problematic. Price is expected to be comparable to LFP. Na+ can also utilize existing lithium ion battery production infrastructure, to churn out the batteries.
The price for LFP will only increase in the short term but decrease in the long term even stronger.
Na+ could be perfect for grid storage.
@@huckleberryfinn6578 just 5% of LFP is recyclable while the it won't fit the demand for replacing 300 million cars on the roads
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Would certainly make desalination projects more viable if the minerals left in the salts could be utilised further.
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I would be very interested in sodium ion batteries for residential power storage. Lowered risk of fire is a huge plus, as well as better performance at lower temps in winter.
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Thank you so much for these videos. I think I have the greatest amount of respect for you that I do for any scientist, and the reference in a perfectly normal list of things salt is used for to binding elder demons was hilarious and would never have been made over here. If you are in the academe here - you have to be very careful what you say, even with tenure. Have a great day.
Alternative title- Could Sodium-ion batteries be the future? Ya or Na?
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If we remove sodium from sea salt, what do we do with all that chlorine?
Water treatment. Something that India could probably benefit from.
I also had this question... At the moment the annual production of shlorine seems to be way higher and sodium ist rather extracted from Na2CO3 (soda)
I kinda had the gut feeling that you might make this video. Amazing work. 😁
Sodium ion should be a great solution for stationary energy storage.
They could also work well as a daily driver battery in swappable battery cars like Nio. Just swap for higher density batteries for long trips.
I just looked this us as a side by side replacement for a small Li-ion battery I use in my current product, and I think it might be a good fit to replace it. They don't have as many options yet for sizes, but the price point is spot on. That it is shipable safe is a nice bonus.
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Hi. What is your thoughts on advanced lead batteries
Can you talk about the ToC (Total Cost of Ownership) between Li-Ion Battery vs Na-Ion Battery???
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The more the merrier when it comes to batteries :) Energy storage is one of the last major hurdles to an entirely renewable energy future, we'll need every battery we can produce.
Aluminium-ion is another battery chemistry that is very promising. Graphene manufacturing group and saturnose have made big claims about their aluminium ion batteries.
I think they will get it over the line. If they do it will be a huge advance.
Hey great info can we replace all the batteries except Li ion to Na - ion
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Would sodium batteries be suitable for home energy storage? Even though they've got a lower energy density than lithium batteries, it wouldn't really matter if you've got the space to store a larger sodium battery e.g. in your basement or even buried underground in your back garden.
That’s definitely one of the main applications under discussion
fun fact: Bluetti actually showed off their sodium-ion based home energy storage system at CES this year, they called it the Bluetti NA300. They haven't posted any updates on it since, so I presume they're not quite ready to sell it yet, though they had physical prototypes at their exhibition booth.
Thanks for the real tech video.:)!
Instead of product reviews, this gives a real insight on tech development and research updates of our times.!!
Ps nice hairstyle.
I just want know when this channel became batteries for laddites :)
When the first battery video did well, it was inevitable…
well battery problem is hard one to solve and realist folks with inquisitive minds want it solved for a better world
Came for the battery content, stayed for the super hot presenter.
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At 5:54, you mention 160kWh/kg, this should be 160Wh/kg.
Everything seems to be the next big thing in batteries!! I guess shows the level of innovation happening in the space. Good to see
What are the charge characteristics of sodium ion batteries
Do you have another video?? Patiently waiting…
im wondering over lifetime cost now. not much point in a half-price batterie that fails twice as fast.
At 5:55, you're saying 160kWh per kg? You mean 160Wh per kilogram.
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these kinds of cheaper and safer li-ion alternatives seem like they'd be great in FCEVs and HEVs where high specific energy is less important, and likewise for grid energy storage systems using battery buffered electrolysis and fuel cells
The 1 scientific breakthrough that I am waiting breathlessly for is the perfection of a language translation device. It will allow perfect translations not only between various spoken languages but convert accents into ones that everybody can easily understand. ;-)
Very cool - makes me wonder if sea salt from desalinization processes can be used?
In any case I don't think lithium is the long term answer - I'm not anti lithium or whatever, I just don't think there is going to be enough (along with the other ingredients mentioned) even if seawater was suddenly a cheap source of lithium.
5:55 160 kWh per kg? or maybe 160 watt-hours per kg?
Na-ion might be ok for grid storage but doesn't seem to have adequate power density. Despite the drawbacks of lithium, it's still advancing, I think next big thing will be lithium-air batteries which have double the density of li-ion and can go even higher. People want more power in a smaller pkg, esp for aviation. I think India's aluminum battery has very serious potential given how high the energy density is, but it's not rechargeable, though I can still see a market for it.
Note that India has two aluminium-based technologies: their aluminium-air battery, which is non-rechargeable, and their solid-state aluminium-ion battery, which is rechargeable, though has the same drawbacks of low capacity-to-weight ratio as sodium ion.
@@PixlRainbow aluminium ion isnt happening in the next 10 years. Next 10 years its mostly going to be LFP and sodium ion for some grid application.
That is only for mobility though. There is actually a very big market for storage. Even bigger than automobiles because of all the renewable that is being used now. In fact with couple of advancements in LFP battery like silicon loading of anode it can provide enough energy density for most mobility other than where high power is required like trucks. Lithium air or lithium anode will mostly be limited to cases where weight saving is absolutely necessary like electric air planes.
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seems like a sodium battery would be able to out-compete a lithium battery for stationary storage mediums. if you need it to be portable and powerful lithium is king, put if you need an industrial battery for buildings, towns, national grids - then sodium would likely be a winner based on both opportunity cost and actual cost.
my only remaining question would be - how is this not already a thing!
I could easily see utilities installing Na-Ion batteries at substations of even neighborhoods to store locally produced power for voltage support and outage mitigation, while not taxing the grid or requiring expensive upgrades
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Sodium batteries every household would love for storage, also even 12v Sodium solar nomads plus a 12v Sodium beats a 12v lead acid anyday.
You did not mention LFP. No Co or Mn and energy density keeps getting better. Thoughts?
LFP is really cool for the reasons you mentioned.
Sodium-ion has the additional advantage of not requiring Lithium which, as of today, has a lot of negative environmental consequences.
Great video. One thing I'd like to address is that lithium actually has a slightly higher electronegativity (holds its electron harder) than sodium. I don't see how that makes it the electronegativity 'king'.
That said, yes standard reduction potential of lithium is larger and it is far lighter than sodium. That is the advantage, not its reactivity.
Although, now that I think of it....maybe having a slightly higher, but still low, electronegativity could be better...perhaps lithium is king in that way.
It depends on how you define it.
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For transportation you will always want the lightest battery possible, even if you don't need a 500km range. The lighter the battery the lighter the car. The lighter the car the lighter the motor which makes the car even lighter which means you can use a smaller lighter battery. But for a home backup system all you care about is how cheap it is so there should be something better than a Tesla wall.
i mean if we are talking battery storage where energy density doesnt matter, why are you talking about cobalt based chemistries when LFP batteries already exist? for large scale energy storage, no cobalt is not a pesky part of the equation, because its not even a part of the equation to begin with if all you want is large scale storage where lower energy density is acceptable. nickel, aluminium and cobalt based chemistries are only needed for applications that require high energy density, because LFP already fill all the niches for the areas that do not require it, and better yet, LFP already exists and is being produced at mass scale, with significant increases to production capacity already under way.
LFP batteries still need Lithium which has a huge environmental cost in its extraction.
Sodium on the other hand is ubiquitous.
But you’re totally correct in that these batteries will go head to head in the near future.
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Miss the time when these videos had sarcasm in it to make them more entertaining!!!
Prep was a little rushed for this video. Know what you mean
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Which would emerge first? sodium ion batteries or solid state batteries? after that, graphene batteries or aluminum air batteries?
Sodium Ion batteries are already here. So they’ve won that particular battle.
My guess is that grid-scale systems will end up being flow batteries, presuming the issues can be resolved. Maybe ammonia. This seems especially promising for roof-top solar, or grid frequency regulation. I wonder what the C rating will end up being?
I have calculated it for Germany alone. They need a strategic reserve over at least 3 months - preferably 6 months. Thats 200 TWh total energy. Could you imagine the size and cost of a „battery“ for - say - 1 TWh? And then multiply it with 200. And that’s to be invested and reinvested and serviced and maintained every year. And that’s only Germany!
Sorry, no battery of today, neither Li or Na or Flow and not even cooled air batteries are large enough. And not for the next 20 years.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 We never had a mined strategic reserve of coal for 6 months. Nor one that large for oil or or natural gas. Why would you choose that for something that is more expensive? A more realistic first goal is one sufficient 24 hours of solar. Then maybe two weeks of wind.
@@richdobbs6595 Because you can always make more coal - you do not need a reserve Just dig it out of the ground and deliver it with steam locomotives. In Europe we have gas reserves. Usually 6 Months, that’s 22 Cubic KILOMETERS for germany alone. This winter the reserve is down to only about 2,5 months and that is a critical shortage. Russia knows this and has raised the gas prices. To get more money of course and to finance their war against Ukraine.
What has this to do with strategic reserves? If you have gas and coal and oil to burn in your power plants and have a strategic reserve of around 3 months you would want the same from only electric energy. How do you store your electric energy? In pump power stations of course or in batteries - which can never be large enough to hold all those electrons - or in the form of - GAS - to be burned in your existing gas power plants.
We have seen what happens if you do not follow scientific advice and let your power plants freeze in winter. How many life’s has this one cost in Texas alone? And has the state made sure that does not happen again? Ever?
Imagine that most of Europe is one big electric grid. And this electric grid is very subtle balanced. One major blow in Poland or Spain, In Greece or Germany and the grid breaks down. The so-called blackout scenario. Even our military forces prepare for that regularly.
Now imagine that happens in summer - winter is no problem around here we have other forms of heating - but in summer the lines and transformers are already hot and overloaded. Not a nice scenario when you do not have the strategic reserve - Yes that will be mostly used in winter, dark days, less wind, less water, no sun shining over 3 or 4 weeks. But the same can occur in summer…
Isnt sodium more reactive than lithium? We would end up with more volatile batteries
You didn't really talk about how long a NaI battery lasts. How many charging cycles do they have, etc.
You’re right. This video could and should have been a lot better
Not enough for solar batteries. Around 1000 cycles. Good enough for transportation use. LFP are still the best choice for solar batteries.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 the cycle life varies from manufacturer to manufacturer. Natron Energy provides 50K-100K cycles on their Na-ion batteries, while AMTE Power (using Faradion technology) provides slightly over 1000 cycles. The former are meant for UPS inside server racks, while the latter are more general-purpose.
@@PixlRainbow We‘ll see if they become available whether those are correct numbers or not. Currently i can not even buy a Li-Ion UPS from Eaton because of „chip shortage“. Everything is on „chip shortage“. But poisonous lead acid is still available? Bollocks!
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Great content, btw I love your accent
Ok, buy why you are saying that the Na ion will not catch fire?
If Na ion will also need organic Solvent & Electrolyte like DM , Pc Or EC ?
Or..... It will use DES!!
Who in india is doing anything regarding turbostratic graphene. Can someone guide me regarding this . I can send samples along with various test results.
Its amazing for what you can use salt for. From seasoning food, to batteries to running nuclear reactors...
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Thanks for the good info.
Great video thanks, I don't understand your sponsor, what charity let's you win houses. I mean use that money for your projects and people. Just my opinion
If electricity and computer control come through a roof deck (think electric trains), lithium ion batteries and self driving cars, plus oil in urban areas and on highways, is not required.
I see this being a viable solution for UPSes, portable power banks, and storage for renewable energy. These require enormous amounts of power but aren't concerned with energy density or weight. However, there's already plenty of competition in many of those markets. For mobile devices and vehicles, lithium is bound to stay.
Another thing to keep in mind is they are still more energy dense than lead acid batteries which are used in UPS's and whatnot most of the time. So if they can be competitive in price to lead/acid then a lot of things could get lighter & cheaper.
First electric cars made in the late 18th and early 19th century used sodium. The technology of sodium batteries is more than 100 years old.
Fire risk, Cobalt & low charge damage, are all risks which are associated with NMC batteries. LFP batteries are presently, already supplanting these concerns...
No cobalt. How about nickel? It would be good to avoid that too.
No nickel either :)
Nickel is problem in CATL batteries.
Where are the mobile reviews?We need more mobile reviews please .They were a lot of fun
Informative 👍🏻
That’s just an assumption since you couldn’t have finished the video yet :P
@@TechforLudditesSira lmaooooo
@@TechforLudditesSira you are right on 😅. Although I felt it is informative in the starting part.
One may guess that once sodium extraction from seawater becomes an industry standard, there will eventually be a host of other elements that will be extracted economically.
Reliance is investing in this, I wish they achieve a breakthrough & this comes into production.
Should I buy their stocks?
@@Investment10x Not a bad idea but you'll need a lot of patience for it to pay off.. Because now they're in the capex phase
time to buy stock in Ambani & Tata's new EV venture.. thnx tara
It would be nice if this actually was a viable technology, but until Lithium mining begins substancially slowing down, or we get a larger breathrough in SI battery production, higher costs are a complete deal-breaker for the market. It will be a useful technology moving into 1 to 2 decades in the future perhaps, but its far off from competitiveness.
Sodium ion will replace LFP batteries. But high specific energy lithium batteries continue to be atleast half of battery of passenger cars and not at all present in trucks.
And then there's that sodium battery called "Earth" that big business has such a hard time putting a meter onto.