Cause we see the parts of ourselves we try to ignore in them. A lot of people think Cassie is completely unrealistic with her obsessions on Nate but there are like a whole lot of woman out there who thirst over serial killers without any regard to their victims.
exactly. i think we like to think we are better than other ppl. judging someone (even a fictional character) is a way to detach ourselves from what they're doing, it's a way of saying 'i'm not like that" when we feel that we could do it too. without talking about loving serial killers, I see some of Cassie in myself, i've seen some of Cassie in other women. i've done ridiculous things to get the attention of ppl that did not give a fuck about me. i think we all just look for love and affection and we do weird shit to get there. that's being a human. and Euphoria does an excellent job at portraying that.
@@sandy-bc2to well it's not really true though? Other times people see themselves in characters that got betrayed and hurt by said flawed characters, or like someone's comment: people hate flawed characters for the situations they've created. You can't say everyone hates flawed characters because they see themselves in them lol.
@@Kaastengels Obviously there are a whole lot of reasons and this is a good one too but I was replying to what this comment was saying, and I think it's a great part of it. But yes, a lot of times ppl hate the situation more than the character because they've been hurt the same way.
Exactly. It reminds me of when recently (around 2020 I think) there was a bandwagon to hate on the character Tori Vega from the show Victorious. Ppl were saying “she’s such a boring character” in comparison to the other side characters and that she’s not that great of a singer just because her singing wasn’t at the same level of Ariana Grande’s. I thought it was ridiculous bc, I mean are these very same haters as interesting or exciting as the side characters that they praise above the main character? I honestly think they hated on her (Tori) bc her personality is the closest to their’s versus the other characters. People really do hate seeing themselves in these characters in films/tv shows
I love flawed characters! Even though the can be problematic, I feel like there is way more depth to these characters than the average comic relief character.
yessss, the whole point of any piece of art is to show human traits - whether we judge them good or bad is just the reflection of our own existence. "perfect" characters don't add any value -- and these type of humans don't exist anyway. i wouldn't like to watch a show that doesn't make me question things.
Its cathartic to hate and react to flawed characters. They may have traits and ideas you may see in yourself or people you love. And it forces people to not have such black and white thinking when dealing with other people.
I always like to see flawed characters because they reflect the complexity of our society and to be honest I like a good mess, also why do we hate female characters more than male characters when they do even worse things.
girl the misogyny of it all. we have so many anti-heros that are LITERALLY psychopathic men. LITERALLY out here killing, robbing, lying etc. And people support them all the way down. But god forbid a female character is unlikable or annoying. Because if this female character isn't likable whats her value? If she isn't approachable, relatable, or appealing to ME the viewer does she even have any value? It's crazy bc so many women internalize these messages. Of people needing to like you or find you appealing to have worth. Women are held to such a high moral/beauty standard and when they slip up they're crucified Meanwhile men can literally get away with murder and SA! And people will still be defending him...saying "he didn't mean it", "he's so young". Excuses we never make for women over far smaller flaws like cheating or white lies. We expect men to misbehave in a way we don't for women. ANd it's so sick.\
No seriously cause ive seen so much more hate for Cassie or Jules than for Nate and his actions and thats just another Euphoria example when theres so much more
Storytelling just needs authenticity. If the main protagonist is a manic pixie perfect dream person, it loses it's relatable connection. A flawed character holds more value, because people can see themselves in them. Cassie is flawed and heavily of course irritating to follow, but I like the rest, it's easy to emphasize with her because I feel at one point in time I was her.
I think that we are really taught to navigate morally gray areas. We judge other and either good or bad and we do it to ourselves. The same reason we can cut someone off for we slip up is the same reason people keep abusive people around for years. We have a perception of people and we accept what confirms and justify people’s actions based on what they’ve been through. No one can tell you how to deal with someone you have to develop your own discernment and boundaries so you can navigate the gray on you own.
Tbh I liked Ginny I mean she was entertaining lol and I think she is really realistic character. I wouldn't like my mother if I had to move all the time because of her bf, not being honest and someone telling me that she KILLED her ex husband oml I would not like my mother. Georgia is imperfect but she definitely deserves more respect from Ginny and Ginny needs to be more grateful . like the birthday party her mom throw her it was amazing but, she was being ungrateful . I hope she gets a character development and the show needs to less cringey
I think Georgia was a little *a lot* too unstable as a mother for me to not understand where Ginny was coming from. The fact that Georgia refused to make an honest days living and constantly put her black daughter at risk of being vulnerable because Georgia could have been arrested at any point. Yeah she totally married a predator because he was rich (instead of getting a fucking job), then kills said stepdad instead of just leaving, she steals from the mayor, etc etc. but wow how nice that she threw a cool party
Idk if anyone will see this comment but there's also irony in this. Because people **love** evil characters if they think there's a chance of redemption for them. But characters that are mainly good with flaws? No mercy.
I think more so than people hating characters, it's about hating the situation that these characters bring about/cause. Like people hated Condola in Insecure, but it felt more like a LOT of people hated the events/situation she created because they've been Lawrence, or they lost a Lawrence to a Condola. Just like with Euphoria, everyone hates on Cassie, but that's because everyone can relate to a situation where a friend has committed a huge betrayal. You can see this in other tv/movies too. People hate Abuela in Encanto because they can relate to having an elder in their family putting them in a poor situation (Personally, I love Abuela and believe the hatred heaped on her is projection). Or people hate Ginny because she minimized Abby's feelings and everyone can relate to and dislike a person who put them in that situation.
Yknow sometimes it's not just hating the flawed characters because we don't want to confront our negative traits that we see in them. Sometimes we can see themselves in characters they've hurt or put into uncomfortable situations.
this video lowkey hit hard bc my closest friends just cut me off after i said some mean shit that i didnt mean and. yes it was my fault i understand that BUT this video made me feel a lot better :)
Just wanted to remind everyone that if someone hurts you over and over again it’s a PATTERN, and sometimes we need to protect ourselves by not tolerating their toxic shit, it doesn’t matter if that’s their true self (does a true self even exist?) or not, it’s still a part of them and if that toxic part outweighs the good parts, it’s totally ok to cut them of, we all have boundaries and they should be respected.
wow this was actually so interesting to hear, It is really true how more and more people tend to "cancel" people out of their lives, without even considering the rest of their actions. I really agree with the idea that we are constantly idealizing people and that the way that we think they should act with us and others is always our blueprint to kick someone out of our lives and it is so sad and ruthless tbh. It's really true tho, seeing this in media as well, since I've never payed attention into how much it affected me when different characters were suddenly not agreeing with me. Loved the videooo!!🥰
This was a great take. Personally, I’ve been on both sides of “showing one’s true colours” and it a very toxic perspective to have. It doesn’t allow room for forgiveness or growth on either side.
This video is so necessary. We have this weird fetish in our culture of with punishing people that are exactly like us. And it's so disturbing because they criticize the people they're most like...as a source of self hatred. Like people want a villain so bad. And they lack the self awareness and self reflection & ENDURANCE to be able to realize THEY may be the bad guy. ANd their zealous attempts at crucifying someone else could be projection and an attempt to kill that part of themselves they hate.
@@Kaastengels Well yeah. I hear what you're saying. The problem is media shapes people's worldview. Science tells us if you see Rue do drugs, doesn't mean you'll go out and start sniffing coke. But your FEELINGS around drugs might change. People are influenced by what they watch. So if people can watch a show and feel hate towards someone like Rue, they probably won't have empathy for addicts irl. Same with Cassie. Idk what you mean by fetish bs lol. It was just a metaphor not literal.
I like how you brought up the whole thing behind true colors that nowadays it's mainly only used when something negative happens. Which can also go into the sad fact that it seems that something bad or something negative can only be true. I feel like it shows just how negative our mindset is getting 😔
I dont hate flawed characters I just hate the fact that Cassie would do that to her best friend sure he gave her the attention she craved but that does not mean to do that to someone especially after everything she went through with that guy and what makes it worse is that Maddy would have never done that to her
Hating flawed characters with bad writing is different from hating flawed characters with good writing. Season 1 of Euphoria has flawed characters with good writing and a overarching plot. Season 2 has flawed characters with no meaningful writing that adds to a missing plot and just leads to unnecessary drama. Characters should be flawed but with a purpose rather than soap opera drama, unnecessary sex scenes, and reverting characters. You can tell Sam Levinson rewrote all the episodes except episode 5 (which was the best episode by far) to add screen time to characters who don’t need it. He had a paper that he started early but decided to redo the whole paper a day before it was due.
oooh, i really want a part 2. I really like how you articulate your points, cause ur absolutely right. even though we as a society claim to understand the fact that people and their actions aren’t exactly black and white, we still sometimes struggle to extend that curtesy to the people closest to us
I'll tell you why I walked away. I have known this person for years. She considered me her best friend and vice versa. She couldn't stop herself from flirting awfully with every single boyfriend all of her friends had. Some forgave, some didn't. I did. I stayed. What she does next? She lies, manipulates and ditches everyone because they figure out her game so she wasn't getting all the attention she thought she needed. We stayed. What happens next? Let's say someone really really close to me passes away. What she does? Asks me to call her because she has covid. What do I do? Call her and ask hey do not worry you will be fine, support support support. What does she say to me? "you can't put this down because of your loss, move on, you don't have to compare everything to your loss". Which I didn't even mention in that call. What do I do? B*tch bye for fucking ever. Judge me all you want. Patience has its limits. One thing is to be nice another is to be stupid.
I like Cassie because I understand the flaws and although some of her actions annoy me, in general I like her because I feel like they are realistic flaws. Her actions make sense, they are bad, objectively so, but I understand why she does it 🤷🏻♀️
I love flawed characters in stories. They feel more relatable for that reason. I notice that in fantasy and dystopian novels. They are forced to do something we or they wouldn’t naturally do, but we understand why they did that. I love Blair as a character in Gossip Girl. She does many bad things, but she has her good qualities too. We respect that she is a hard worker who will put her time, energy, and effort to get what she wants, but she still has to compete with those who don’t. I like her friendship with Dan because that taught her that she does not need to play games with people all of the time. She also grew when she rekindled her relationship with her mother. The problem with flawed characters comes from a writing standpoint. I begin to hate flawed characters when they become hypocrites. If they acknowledge this or gets called on it and we actually see them change, fine. Whatever. We all do hypocritical things sometimes and we need to learn from them. Where I get mad is when the characters never acknowledge their mistakes or never apologize for them and these are the characters that we are supposed to be rooting for. For example, in Ginny and Georgia, Ginny keeps yelling at her mom and blaming other characters for her problems and never acknowledging her mistakes. I get narratively, the show is showing how she is turning into her mom and Ginny does recognize that, but instead of working in herself and trying to do better, she repeats her same patterns. I felt she never grew which is why I did not love her character that much. I also felt bad for her friend (forgot her name) because Ginny keeps using being half black as a crutch for her problems when she keeps rejecting black people. This felt hypocritical to me. I am not testifying to her experience. I do not know anything about it, but that was something that many of us noticed. I started rooting for her in the end when she left home because she feared for her and her brother’s life. That seemed to make her more endearing and relatable because we can understand where that decision came from.
Thank you for making this video! When I watch other reactors saying that hopefully Nate or Cal will be killed, I think no! These are fictional characters and they serve the purpose of being a villain and when they show back stories, it explains why they’re like that (but that doesn’t mean their evil actions are justified). And how boring would these shows be if they were all “good” characters? Boring!!!
I love flawed character as long as it is done authentically. I don’t like when characters are made to do “stupid” things only for the pure intention to add “edge” to a show/movie. You can usually tell the intention/nature (well at least I can). I’ve always appreciated Euphoria for example for making realistic or rather “justifiable” (although exaggerated) non black & white flawed characters. The “stupid” things the characters of Euphoria do, enhances the plot itself. Yes some of their mistakes are annoying but overall it’s justifiable and enjoyable to witness because it gets people talking the complexities of the characters. A good/memorable story challenges beliefs and blurs the lines of who are the protagonist and antagonist (in a way characters can be both).
i could never hate cassie because im so empathetic to her and understand why she douse the things she douse but i am disappointed in her because i feel like im seeing a potential for learning and character growth but instead she is just going further down a negative path and that is rly sad to watch but i do hope she has a her growth as a character one day.
As someone who grew up without a father, Cassie’s father leaving her is not an excuse. Also I’m a black woman. On top of my father abandoning me, I also experienced racism and colorism. I was also a victim of sexual trauma by a guy I thought was my friend. Just like Cassie, I also had a best friend who was a victim of domestic violence and as soon as I found out about the abuse I called the domestic violence line for help. I would NEVER mess with her ex boyfriend. I did seek male validation when I was a teenager but NOT to the expense of my best friend. I don’t care if people get mad at me for saying this but white women get more sympathy for their actions more than women of color. I never got sympathy for my father abandoning me. I have mental issues as well. I suffered with anxiety, depression, and suicide since I was 15. I was told by my own family and ex friend that I need to just get over it, stop playing the “ victim”, and be a strong black woman.
While I agree with you that it doesn’t excuse her actions everyone responds to trauma differently so everything you went through and how you acted towards that is completely different to how someone else would react to that no matter what race they are.
@@itsmya.k1127 completely agree, was about to comment the same. I’m sorry for what you have been through, but none of us react to situations similarly. And tbh i believe cassie wouldn’t have done it if nate hadn’t come to her when she was at her lowest. Like the woman maddie is babysitting for said to her “he gave me just the right amount of attention at the right time”. Doesn’t justify it, but makes it more understandable
Maybe in real life situations white women do get more sympathy, but if you compare rue to Cassie, literally everyone hates Cassie but feels sorry for rue even tho they’ve both hurt people around them. Maybe you’ve had a similar upbringing as Cassie but your experiences still aren’t the same. Even though what she did was wrong and there IS NO EXCUSE there is an explanation. She was vulnerable and Nate preyed on that. She never did it to hurt maddy but rather fill a void in her lowest moment. I can relate a lot to Cassie, although never sleeping with a best friends ex I know the extent I would go to to feel love and validation. I’d damage my own well-being to be loved by a man- I am still working on that but the thing is you have to understand that these situations aren’t black and white. Cassie, just like I, is blinded by the desperate need to feel loved. Just because you’d never do something doesn’t mean others are horrible for doing the same- unless it comes to serious crimes of course.
Say it louder. They have been comparing Rue and Cassie. Like “why do people not hate Rue.” As if a pickme is comparable to a mentally ill, addict who can’t grieve properly. And got caught at the wrong place at the wrong time and got threatened into doing fentanyl. Rue literally has a dual diagnosis and that’s less understanding than daddy issues? Half the country has daddy issues and still don’t betray their friends like that. It’s honestly because she’s pretty, white, blonde and a good actress. People will attack you for noticing reality.
also with Jules i could never NEVER hate her, am i upset with her yes and i disappointed yes but these are TEENAGERS (they are always making mistakes and learning from them) that is how they are and Jules has a-lot of reason why she did the things she did. also WE NEED to talk about the people that dont like Jules bc shes 'annoying' when it literally feels like internalised transphobia, It just feels like people were waiting for an excuse to hate her. Also the people who judge her and havent watched her special episode RED FLAG.
IDK but I feel like what people say or do when they're mad are what they secretly want to say or do it's just nothing's holding them back, I do agree that people don't mean it all the time though, and we all have our moments
This made so much sense...not to be dramatic but I almost started crying by the end of the video even tho I have no idea why...I'm so thankful I came across your channel
I agree but at the same time you are your actions. Like we get to see them both ways because we see both sides of them. Even with that though, if they do bad things it’s a reasonable to say they’re a bad person especially with the crap that Euphoria characters do.
When you talk about this, I think a great example you could do, if you were to do a part 2, would be to talk about people’s response to Molly from Insecure.
Please tell us more. Make another video, I’d love to hear❤️❤️ love these videos, it helps me process all the emotions I feel from watching this show❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I don’t think we hate flawed characters, we don’t like annoying people. The characters you mentioned were more just generally annoying that flawed. Blair waldorf is severely flawed but people lover her.
I’m gonna say this before I watch the actual video but Ginny is something else I swear. She was so annoying in the show. If you didn’t hate her I wish for your patience and caring heart 💀
I don’t particularly like or dislike flawed characters but I don’t like characters that are portrayal of a type of person that I wouldn’t like in real life. Ex: I love rue despite her addiction/flaws but I don’t like Cassie or Nate bc they have personalities I hate irl. They aren’t flawed lmfao they are bad people 😂
It's more than just having a bad/negative moment... It's what you do & how far you are willing to go in that negative state of mind. It's about how much self control you extend in the heat of the moment. It's one thing to yell out "I hate you!!" (Which is nasty, don't get me wrong) & it's a whole other thing to put someone or say something they confided in you that's traumatic & you say "you deserved every beating you got from your parents because you're a selfish bitxx!" You see what I mean? & those are the kind of lines that "show your true colors" but people LOVEEEEEE to blurr those lines & get this conversation all the way twisted. I don't believe that's what you are doing by any means but I'm leaving this comment here because what I just typed out are very common scenarios/thought processes. Anybody that is willing to allow their own insecurities/trauma get in the way of keeping their morally good composure when things are really bad & so heated y'all are in the depths of hell 😅.... Then you really need to re-evaluate your relationship to that individual. Because I am 27 years old & I've battled this very topic for years now & I came to the conclusion that.... A person is not losing control & making a mistake... They are in fact revealing their vile TRUE nature... It took a lot to come to grips with that.. but let me give you an example... Even in the heat of the moment when I was on the receiving end of the beating/physical & or verbal abuse/unprovoked targeted harassment/ETC ETC... even in my despair or anger I didn't even have thoughts like the example I gave earlier... The worst I have ever thought is "I hate you"... But even that isn't a common thing... So you really have to wonder & ask yourself what kind of individual even has those truly nasty thoughts about deeply evil & horrific trauma that the individual you're having an issue with has experienced & wanting to throw it at them in such a way. You really have to wonder in general with people who have thoughts when they are angry at someone where they are willfully & deliberately thinking about someone's secrets & twisting it so you can retraumatize them some more & emabrass & bring them further down... Once I finally allowed myself to admit this is truly just as low down as it sounds... It's helped me to identify the covert narcissists much easier than before with my blinders on. I see the good in people but the bad cannot so heavily outweigh the good... Remember that!
In my opinion, Ginny and Cassie are very flawed but in the different ways like : Cassie was disliked by most of people because she was meant to be like that, she has been through due to her trauma with her father right but it wasn’t an excuse to do shitty things but this is what the writers wanted to show us, her actions weren’t glamorized or normalized bc then everybody called her out her bullshit. She’s very complex and that’s makes her a very realistic and well written character. Ginny on the other hand, was very very dislikable just, seeing every scene with her make me sick and cringe af. She’s literally the embodiment of « I’m not like others girls », she’s rude to everyone for no reason. She brings racism to everything for her own avantage and the writers think it’s normal. I don’t even know how 2 stupids dudes fell in love with her, just... how ? Okay she has been through with her trauma anyway, that’s not a excuse to treat people like crap. And the worst thing is the writers idolized her behavior and tried so hard to make us feel bad for her and except us to sympathize with her. Her storyline was an another wattpad fanfic. She is one of the worst main characters I ever seen.
I love your analysis on Cassie. Spot on what I was thinking. I have to disagree (kindly of course) on Ginny. They made it a point to show Ginny have trust issues due to moving around because of the choices Georgia had to make due to her less than stellar upbringing which made her need to go on the run to survive. It is Ginny's defense mechanism to be mean and distance herself by being cold since she isn't used to having friends or people be interested in her. The scene where she discusses her racial identity with Hunter who also discusses his own racial identity challenging Ginny's fight with the world is not something I commonly get to see (in the scene it appears both are trying to find out who has struggled the most with their respective racial identity). I will say I can understand the cringe because I had to pause that scene a couple of times to self reflect on what they were even arguing about because I don't identify racially with their struggles, but have a lot of friends who do and that is how I resonated with their characters having conflict that is independant from their romance issues. Ginny does things that I disagree with, that evokes frustration, I just disagree that there aren't any reasons behind her mean girl to pop out.
@@malbano I totally respect your opinion but the thing is, she never acknowledged her mistakes or haven’t any repercussions for her actions even when she was rude to her mother and then Georgia confessed to her that she was raped and molested when she was younger and Ginny was shocked a time but the next day, she’s still became rude to her mom as if nothing had happened like wtf ? How can you have so much lack of empathy ? She didn’t even apologized and the writers keep to idolizing her, this is so messed up.
@@johanaforever965 I think what a lot of people fail to see with Ginny and the way she treats her mom is that Georgia created that environment and situation. She wasn’t a parent, she was a friend. She never taught Ginny to deal with her problems, she taught her how to run away and not deal with consequences. And all the anger and frustration that Ginny manifests now is just a build up from that. I do agree that writing isn’t the best on the show, they tried to paint Ginny as this woke sort-of character that I think would do really well in 2016, but now it’s just cringe.
@@johanaforever965 Cassie has also never held herself accountable for her actions either. She was more scared of getting beat up by Maddy than losing a friendship. Even after she tries to attack Lexi to try take the heat off of her. Although Ginny and Georgia had its flaws, it clearly had a theme of “Like Mother, Like Daughter”. Everything Ginny was doing Georgia already did. Hence why Ginny was messing with hunter and Marcus at the same time, while Georgia was messing with that mayor and baby father.
People usually either hate flawed characters or they act like they're amazing and never did anything wrong and there's an excuse for all of their actions. Both of those reactions are completely missing the point that they're not necessarily just good or just bad.
wait this lowkey confuses me because i had this friend who fatshamed two people on twitter and i cut them off because that’s such a shitty thing to do especially since the people found out about it. Was that me reducing them to their “ugly moment” or me recognising they’re bullying??
What I truly hate is when they’re blind to how bad they truly are and act innocent or Victim-like.That in reality or in a tv show annoys the living CRAP out of me!! This is coming from someone who LOVE villains more than the protagonist in movies (yes even in “realistic “ ones)
I forgot to put this. The MCU fits the bill when we talk about why we loved flawed characters. Each hero and even villain has a motive or a purpose that we can relate to. They struggle to make that dream a reality. The heroes strive to do good even when they unintentionally are responsible foe innocent lives being taken (the sokovia accords). They even battle each other because they both have valid, but different reasons why they should or shouldn’t be against the accords. Captain America was protecting his friends. Iron Man was trying to do right buy the people he took. Each character, even Loki has an arc that redeems them. We sympathize with the villains because they each have a valid reason for doing what they do. Take Thanos. He wants a better world even if it means many lives being taken in the process. He worries they will never survive if they don’t take drastic measures. While we don’t fully agree with him, we understand him
I think its therapeutic to hate on flawed characters because they're not real and often times the audience member sees themselves in the flawed character and since you can't really take the anger out on yourself you take your anger out on someone who 'isn't real'. I can hate on Cassie all day but I'd be lying if I said I didn't see bits of myself in her.
Yes, the best characters are flawed. Or live in a flawed world. Period. Just look at Donald Duck (flawed) or Mickey Mouse (lives in a flawed world). Do you watch Atlanta? I love the characters, because they repeatedly make the wrong decisions or are thrown into some messed up situations. Either or it pretty much explains the human condition. No one is perfect and the world we live in is hella f'ed up. So you might as well accept that you have no control when things don't go your way and that you are only human when you are at your lowest. That's why being a celebrity is so damn hard, because one day you are praised and put on a pedestal, the next you are thrown under a bus and become a scapegoat. So you better keep it low key or you will be eaten by the masses. Just look at Kanye West, J K Rowling and the latest Will Smith. Would love to hear your take on Atlanta; the newest season 3 is streaming now.
Great video!! I think another flawed character from a show is Sam from Cobra Kai. No one attack me pls😂, just an opinion. She's done some bad things, but she's the only one really attacked by fans because of the things she's done, whereas everyone else in the show has also done bad things, some even worse🤷🏾♀️
Cut off culture literally just sounds like cancel culture except in our personal lives and that’s actually scary because it makes me feel like we’re REALLY losing our humanity as a species now
I think it’s so much easier to hate on flawed characters than to realize we see a lot of ourselves in them. I’m not saying we’re all going around showering in eight balls and sleeping with BFF exes, but I’m sure we’ve all displayed our own moments of selfishness, deceit, ignorance, gluttony, etc. TV highlights their flaws in very grandiose ways but when we stop “hating” them I think we can learn a lot of lessons about ourselves through them.
Stop giving Cassie grace and please realize it is not about Nate. Sis has no self-esteem and is obsessed with Maddie she basically wants her whole life they’ve had the same disadvantage of coming from a “broken” or “dysfunctional” Family. The reason Cassie did what she did it because she was always going to do that she never liked Maddie she couldn’t stand her because somehow she was still better off than her and still well liked by everyone around her and she always got whatever guy she wanted. It was never just about Nate she wanted to be just like Maddie I want she’s willing to put herself down and be with a guy who will mold her into what he wants simply for the attention and love that’s my take🧐
I just don't like how everyone hates cassie but loves jules even though they are the same they both crave love and attention and both have parent issues everyone lets jules slide because her mom was an addict but everyone forgets cassie's dad was an addict too also cassie still fucked up but at least she was with someone single but jules cheats multiple times but people just blows it off they are practically the exact same it just doesn't make since
see the Cassie thing has been bothering me lately cause everyone just hates her without thinking about why she acts the way she does and i see part of myself in her and i realize she’s not a good person but it’s a realistic depiction of the way things could go and i don’t think it’s as black and white as people make her character to be
and people just chose to ignore the reasons behind why a character may do something there’s no way Cassie doesn’t have other stuff going on in her head causing her actions to seem plausible it’s not like she’s doing it to intentionally be a bad person
Well just because she was doing her best doesn’t mean that she’s doing enough, Georgia loves Ginny and there’s no doubt in that but her decisions can affect her children’s mental health and life negatively
Imo y'all just normalized such crappy behavior to the point when a character does bad thing they're just "flawed". Let's be real babe if a character is repeatedly adulterous, shady, and manipulative then people have a right to dislike them because idk about YALL but that's not just "human nature". I'm not saying I'm a saint but...
Everyone’s standards seem so low, I guess we’re all used to people doing shitty things and don’t expect more. It’s one thing to watch a character and think they’re entertaining because they’re “flawed” and another to have those same toxic behaviors happen to you in real life, we need to stop tolerating and normalizing abusive situations.
No one is saying not to set boundaries between yourself and toxic behaviours or accept their bad behaviour, the point is it’s not really your place to label people as being good or bad as we’ve all made mistakes. There’s a little more nuance to humans than just good or bad, empathising and understanding their actions doesn’t mean you agree with them or their actions. For some they’re in denial and refuse to see their faults and by all means, set your boundaries, but there’s a huge difference between doing bad things and having bad intentions. You don’t have to like everyone but just remember you’re probably the bad guy in someone’s story 🤷🏽♀️
I think people hate more on Cassie because she's the easier target. She's just a weaker person. Every character on this show is kind of... just awful. From the first episode of this show Maddy has done more than "flawed" stuff she's actually a villain and people praise her actions as a "girl boss yas queen". Except if a man did those things they'd call him narcissist, manipulative, and abusive.
Honestly the only thing that Maddy ever did that rubbed me the wrong way was lying on Tyler. Other than that she’s not that bad, she was just in a abusive relationship that brought out the worse in her similar to Cassie.
Cause we see the parts of ourselves we try to ignore in them. A lot of people think Cassie is completely unrealistic with her obsessions on Nate but there are like a whole lot of woman out there who thirst over serial killers without any regard to their victims.
exactly. i think we like to think we are better than other ppl. judging someone (even a fictional character) is a way to detach ourselves from what they're doing, it's a way of saying 'i'm not like that" when we feel that we could do it too. without talking about loving serial killers, I see some of Cassie in myself, i've seen some of Cassie in other women. i've done ridiculous things to get the attention of ppl that did not give a fuck about me. i think we all just look for love and affection and we do weird shit to get there. that's being a human. and Euphoria does an excellent job at portraying that.
@@sandy-bc2to well it's not really true though? Other times people see themselves in characters that got betrayed and hurt by said flawed characters, or like someone's comment: people hate flawed characters for the situations they've created. You can't say everyone hates flawed characters because they see themselves in them lol.
@@Kaastengels Obviously there are a whole lot of reasons and this is a good one too but I was replying to what this comment was saying, and I think it's a great part of it. But yes, a lot of times ppl hate the situation more than the character because they've been hurt the same way.
Exactly. It reminds me of when recently (around 2020 I think) there was a bandwagon to hate on the character Tori Vega from the show Victorious. Ppl were saying “she’s such a boring character” in comparison to the other side characters and that she’s not that great of a singer just because her singing wasn’t at the same level of Ariana Grande’s. I thought it was ridiculous bc, I mean are these very same haters as interesting or exciting as the side characters that they praise above the main character? I honestly think they hated on her (Tori) bc her personality is the closest to their’s versus the other characters. People really do hate seeing themselves in these characters in films/tv shows
I love flawed characters! Even though the can be problematic, I feel like there is way more depth to these characters than the average comic relief character.
yessss, the whole point of any piece of art is to show human traits - whether we judge them good or bad is just the reflection of our own existence. "perfect" characters don't add any value -- and these type of humans don't exist anyway. i wouldn't like to watch a show that doesn't make me question things.
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Its cathartic to hate and react to flawed characters. They may have traits and ideas you may see in yourself or people you love. And it forces people to not have such black and white thinking when dealing with other people.
I always like to see flawed characters because they reflect the complexity of our society and to be honest I like a good mess, also why do we hate female characters more than male characters when they do even worse things.
now let's get into THAT
girl the misogyny of it all. we have so many anti-heros that are LITERALLY psychopathic men. LITERALLY out here killing, robbing, lying etc. And people support them all the way down. But god forbid a female character is unlikable or annoying. Because if this female character isn't likable whats her value? If she isn't approachable, relatable, or appealing to ME the viewer does she even have any value?
It's crazy bc so many women internalize these messages. Of people needing to like you or find you appealing to have worth. Women are held to such a high moral/beauty standard and when they slip up they're crucified Meanwhile men can literally get away with murder and SA! And people will still be defending him...saying "he didn't mean it", "he's so young". Excuses we never make for women over far smaller flaws like cheating or white lies. We expect men to misbehave in a way we don't for women. ANd it's so sick.\
mhmmmm let's talk about it
Let's talk about that!
No seriously cause ive seen so much more hate for Cassie or Jules than for Nate and his actions and thats just another Euphoria example when theres so much more
Storytelling just needs authenticity. If the main protagonist is a manic pixie perfect dream person, it loses it's relatable connection. A flawed character holds more value, because people can see themselves in them.
Cassie is flawed and heavily of course irritating to follow, but I like the rest, it's easy to emphasize with her because I feel at one point in time I was her.
I think that we are really taught to navigate morally gray areas. We judge other and either good or bad and we do it to ourselves. The same reason we can cut someone off for we slip up is the same reason people keep abusive people around for years. We have a perception of people and we accept what confirms and justify people’s actions based on what they’ve been through. No one can tell you how to deal with someone you have to develop your own discernment and boundaries so you can navigate the gray on you own.
Tbh I liked Ginny I mean she was entertaining lol and I think she is really realistic character. I wouldn't like my mother if I had to move all the time because of her bf, not being honest and someone telling me that she KILLED her ex husband oml I would not like my mother. Georgia is imperfect but she definitely deserves more respect from Ginny and Ginny needs to be more grateful . like the birthday party her mom throw her it was amazing but, she was being ungrateful . I hope she gets a character development and the show needs to less cringey
Ginny was a little too ungrateful for my sympathy
exactly my thoughts
I think Georgia was a little *a lot* too unstable as a mother for me to not understand where Ginny was coming from. The fact that Georgia refused to make an honest days living and constantly put her black daughter at risk of being vulnerable because Georgia could have been arrested at any point. Yeah she totally married a predator because he was rich (instead of getting a fucking job), then kills said stepdad instead of just leaving, she steals from the mayor, etc etc. but wow how nice that she threw a cool party
Idk if anyone will see this comment but there's also irony in this. Because people **love** evil characters if they think there's a chance of redemption for them. But characters that are mainly good with flaws? No mercy.
soo true
I think more so than people hating characters, it's about hating the situation that these characters bring about/cause. Like people hated Condola in Insecure, but it felt more like a LOT of people hated the events/situation she created because they've been Lawrence, or they lost a Lawrence to a Condola. Just like with Euphoria, everyone hates on Cassie, but that's because everyone can relate to a situation where a friend has committed a huge betrayal. You can see this in other tv/movies too. People hate Abuela in Encanto because they can relate to having an elder in their family putting them in a poor situation (Personally, I love Abuela and believe the hatred heaped on her is projection). Or people hate Ginny because she minimized Abby's feelings and everyone can relate to and dislike a person who put them in that situation.
Yknow sometimes it's not just hating the flawed characters because we don't want to confront our negative traits that we see in them. Sometimes we can see themselves in characters they've hurt or put into uncomfortable situations.
8:32 honestly i thought Ali would relapse after what Rue said, im glad he accepted her apology.
this video lowkey hit hard bc my closest friends just cut me off after i said some mean shit that i didnt mean and. yes it was my fault i understand that BUT this video made me feel a lot better :)
Just wanted to remind everyone that if someone hurts you over and over again it’s a PATTERN, and sometimes we need to protect ourselves by not tolerating their toxic shit, it doesn’t matter if that’s their true self (does a true self even exist?) or not, it’s still a part of them and if that toxic part outweighs the good parts, it’s totally ok to cut them of, we all have boundaries and they should be respected.
I’ve been loving the topics you’ve been doing recently. They’re so relevant, interesting and nuanced. ❤️
i'm so glad you think so :))
wow this was actually so interesting to hear, It is really true how more and more people tend to "cancel" people out of their lives, without even considering the rest of their actions. I really agree with the idea that we are constantly idealizing people and that the way that we think they should act with us and others is always our blueprint to kick someone out of our lives and it is so sad and ruthless tbh. It's really true tho, seeing this in media as well, since I've never payed attention into how much it affected me when different characters were suddenly not agreeing with me. Loved the videooo!!🥰
This was a great take. Personally, I’ve been on both sides of “showing one’s true colours” and it a very toxic perspective to have. It doesn’t allow room for forgiveness or growth on either side.
Well said!
This video is so necessary. We have this weird fetish in our culture of with punishing people that are exactly like us. And it's so disturbing because they criticize the people they're most like...as a source of self hatred. Like people want a villain so bad. And they lack the self awareness and self reflection & ENDURANCE to be able to realize THEY may be the bad guy. ANd their zealous attempts at crucifying someone else could be projection and an attempt to kill that part of themselves they hate.
Or maybe it's just fun hating yknow, fictional characters? It's none of that fetish bs lol
@@Kaastengels Well yeah. I hear what you're saying. The problem is media shapes people's worldview. Science tells us if you see Rue do drugs, doesn't mean you'll go out and start sniffing coke. But your FEELINGS around drugs might change. People are influenced by what they watch.
So if people can watch a show and feel hate towards someone like Rue, they probably won't have empathy for addicts irl. Same with Cassie.
Idk what you mean by fetish bs lol. It was just a metaphor not literal.
@@Kaastengels why are so defense in these comments?
@@ksanetmehari7202 yeppp
This message is so important! I've been trying to articulate these exact thoughts and feelings! Thank you for this video!
I'm really looking forward to the next season of Ginny and Georgia, I really like Ginny even if she makes a lot of mistakes but it's a teenager thing
me too tbh
same even tho it's so cringy sometimes 💀
I like how you brought up the whole thing behind true colors that nowadays it's mainly only used when something negative happens. Which can also go into the sad fact that it seems that something bad or something negative can only be true. I feel like it shows just how negative our mindset is getting 😔
Also please pt 2. Cause this conversation is so so soooo needed in every type of way
I dont hate flawed characters I just hate the fact that Cassie would do that to her best friend sure he gave her the attention she craved but that does not mean to do that to someone especially after everything she went through with that guy and what makes it worse is that Maddy would have never done that to her
Hating flawed characters with bad writing is different from hating flawed characters with good writing.
Season 1 of Euphoria has flawed characters with good writing and a overarching plot. Season 2 has flawed characters with no meaningful writing that adds to a missing plot and just leads to unnecessary drama. Characters should be flawed but with a purpose rather than soap opera drama, unnecessary sex scenes, and reverting characters. You can tell Sam Levinson rewrote all the episodes except episode 5 (which was the best episode by far) to add screen time to characters who don’t need it. He had a paper that he started early but decided to redo the whole paper a day before it was due.
Just like Ginny and Georgia, for me Ginny was a flawed character with bad writing but Cassie is also a flawed character but good writing
oooh, i really want a part 2. I really like how you articulate your points, cause ur absolutely right. even though we as a society claim to understand the fact that people and their actions aren’t exactly black and white, we still sometimes struggle to extend that curtesy to the people closest to us
I'll tell you why I walked away. I have known this person for years. She considered me her best friend and vice versa. She couldn't stop herself from flirting awfully with every single boyfriend all of her friends had. Some forgave, some didn't. I did. I stayed. What she does next? She lies, manipulates and ditches everyone because they figure out her game so she wasn't getting all the attention she thought she needed. We stayed. What happens next? Let's say someone really really close to me passes away. What she does? Asks me to call her because she has covid. What do I do? Call her and ask hey do not worry you will be fine, support support support. What does she say to me? "you can't put this down because of your loss, move on, you don't have to compare everything to your loss". Which I didn't even mention in that call. What do I do? B*tch bye for fucking ever. Judge me all you want. Patience has its limits. One thing is to be nice another is to be stupid.
Anyway what do we do when we not hate, but take sides in fiction? See our own life portraited in it. And therefore we dislike some characters
I like Cassie because I understand the flaws and although some of her actions annoy me, in general I like her because I feel like they are realistic flaws. Her actions make sense, they are bad, objectively so, but I understand why she does it 🤷🏻♀️
I love flawed characters in stories. They feel more relatable for that reason. I notice that in fantasy and dystopian novels. They are forced to do something we or they wouldn’t naturally do, but we understand why they did that.
I love Blair as a character in Gossip Girl. She does many bad things, but she has her good qualities too. We respect that she is a hard worker who will put her time, energy, and effort to get what she wants, but she still has to compete with those who don’t. I like her friendship with Dan because that taught her that she does not need to play games with people all of the time.
She also grew when she rekindled her relationship with her mother.
The problem with flawed characters comes from a writing standpoint. I begin to hate flawed characters when they become hypocrites. If they acknowledge this or gets called on it and we actually see them change, fine. Whatever. We all do hypocritical things sometimes and we need to learn from them.
Where I get mad is when the characters never acknowledge their mistakes or never apologize for them and these are the characters that we are supposed to be rooting for.
For example, in Ginny and Georgia, Ginny keeps yelling at her mom and blaming other characters for her problems and never acknowledging her mistakes. I get narratively, the show is showing how she is turning into her mom and Ginny does recognize that, but instead of working in herself and trying to do better, she repeats her same patterns. I felt she never grew which is why I did not love her character that much.
I also felt bad for her friend (forgot her name) because Ginny keeps using being half black as a crutch for her problems when she keeps rejecting black people. This felt hypocritical to me. I am not testifying to her experience. I do not know anything about it, but that was something that many of us noticed.
I started rooting for her in the end when she left home because she feared for her and her brother’s life. That seemed to make her more endearing and relatable because we can understand where that decision came from.
Thank you for making this video! When I watch other reactors saying that hopefully Nate or Cal will be killed, I think no! These are fictional characters and they serve the purpose of being a villain and when they show back stories, it explains why they’re like that (but that doesn’t mean their evil actions are justified). And how boring would these shows be if they were all “good” characters? Boring!!!
It just feels like people were waiting for an excuse to hate jules
no i agree, especially cause ive seen a lot of ppl cause jules ugly after her cheating on rue, like attack her character not her looks????
Would definitely love a part two. You made so many points. Talk your shit
I love flawed character as long as it is done authentically. I don’t like when characters are made to do “stupid” things only for the pure intention to add “edge” to a show/movie. You can usually tell the intention/nature (well at least I can). I’ve always appreciated Euphoria for example for making realistic or rather “justifiable” (although exaggerated) non black & white flawed characters. The “stupid” things the characters of Euphoria do, enhances the plot itself. Yes some of their mistakes are annoying but overall it’s justifiable and enjoyable to witness because it gets people talking the complexities of the characters. A good/memorable story challenges beliefs and blurs the lines of who are the protagonist and antagonist (in a way characters can be both).
i could never hate cassie because im so empathetic to her and understand why she douse the things she douse but i am disappointed in her because i feel like im seeing a potential for learning and character growth but instead she is just going further down a negative path and that is rly sad to watch but i do hope she has a her growth as a character one day.
As someone who grew up without a father, Cassie’s father leaving her is not an excuse. Also I’m a black woman. On top of my father abandoning me, I also experienced racism and colorism. I was also a victim of sexual trauma by a guy I thought was my friend. Just like Cassie, I also had a best friend who was a victim of domestic violence and as soon as I found out about the abuse I called the domestic violence line for help. I would NEVER mess with her ex boyfriend. I did seek male validation when I was a teenager but NOT to the expense of my best friend. I don’t care if people get mad at me for saying this but white women get more sympathy for their actions more than women of color. I never got sympathy for my father abandoning me. I have mental issues as well. I suffered with anxiety, depression, and suicide since I was 15. I was told by my own family and ex friend that I need to just get over it, stop playing the “ victim”, and be a strong black woman.
Good for you.
While I agree with you that it doesn’t excuse her actions everyone responds to trauma differently so everything you went through and how you acted towards that is completely different to how someone else would react to that no matter what race they are.
@@itsmya.k1127 completely agree, was about to comment the same. I’m sorry for what you have been through, but none of us react to situations similarly. And tbh i believe cassie wouldn’t have done it if nate hadn’t come to her when she was at her lowest. Like the woman maddie is babysitting for said to her “he gave me just the right amount of attention at the right time”. Doesn’t justify it, but makes it more understandable
Maybe in real life situations white women do get more sympathy, but if you compare rue to Cassie, literally everyone hates Cassie but feels sorry for rue even tho they’ve both hurt people around them. Maybe you’ve had a similar upbringing as Cassie but your experiences still aren’t the same. Even though what she did was wrong and there IS NO EXCUSE there is an explanation. She was vulnerable and Nate preyed on that. She never did it to hurt maddy but rather fill a void in her lowest moment. I can relate a lot to Cassie, although never sleeping with a best friends ex I know the extent I would go to to feel love and validation. I’d damage my own well-being to be loved by a man- I am still working on that but the thing is you have to understand that these situations aren’t black and white. Cassie, just like I, is blinded by the desperate need to feel loved. Just because you’d never do something doesn’t mean others are horrible for doing the same- unless it comes to serious crimes of course.
Say it louder. They have been comparing Rue and Cassie. Like “why do people not hate Rue.” As if a pickme is comparable to a mentally ill, addict who can’t grieve properly. And got caught at the wrong place at the wrong time and got threatened into doing fentanyl. Rue literally has a dual diagnosis and that’s less understanding than daddy issues? Half the country has daddy issues and still don’t betray their friends like that. It’s honestly because she’s pretty, white, blonde and a good actress. People will attack you for noticing reality.
There’s a difference between being flawed and having COMMON SENSE which Cassie does not have
She has sense, she choosing not to use it because she thinks Nate/love is such a prize.
you'd be surprised at what ppl that usually have "common sense" are capable of when they are desperate
people see others behavior as a reflection of who they are, while they view their own behavior as a response to the circumstances.
also with Jules i could never NEVER hate her, am i upset with her yes and i disappointed yes but these are TEENAGERS (they are always making mistakes and learning from them) that is how they are and Jules has a-lot of reason why she did the things she did. also WE NEED to talk about the people that dont like Jules bc shes 'annoying' when it literally feels like internalised transphobia, It just feels like people were waiting for an excuse to hate her. Also the people who judge her and havent watched her special episode RED FLAG.
part 2! def will be interesting to talk about kayne
literally everything you talked about is sooo true woah!! love your videos sm!
Thank you so much!!
@@imuRgency of course!!
Love the content
Glad you enjoy it!
Answer: Makes me feel good to hate fictional characters and judge them because they are worse than me even though they aren't real
Those characters we could support obliviously usually end up being the worst but oh well also great vid
Yessss I would love a part 2 this was amazing!!
Your takes are always great bro never a miss 😤
Gray characters have always been my favorites.
I’m ready for your insight about this 💕
IDK but I feel like what people say or do when they're mad are what they secretly want to say or do it's just nothing's holding them back, I do agree that people don't mean it all the time though, and we all have our moments
No, it's not them being flawd that we hate, it's their actions. Every action has a reaction
This made so much sense...not to be dramatic but I almost started crying by the end of the video even tho I have no idea why...I'm so thankful I came across your channel
so glad that you're here
I agree but at the same time you are your actions. Like we get to see them both ways because we see both sides of them. Even with that though, if they do bad things it’s a reasonable to say they’re a bad person especially with the crap that Euphoria characters do.
yesyes we need more convos on this!!
When you talk about this, I think a great example you could do, if you were to do a part 2, would be to talk about people’s response to Molly from Insecure.
YESS
Please tell us more. Make another video, I’d love to hear❤️❤️ love these videos, it helps me process all the emotions I feel from watching this show❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Please make a part 2😭😭
I don’t think we hate flawed characters, we don’t like annoying people. The characters you mentioned were more just generally annoying that flawed.
Blair waldorf is severely flawed but people lover her.
Loved this video! Thank you for this
I love both flawed and "unflawed characters. Flawed characters are so entertaining and can bring a lot to a show.
Does anyone else hope Ginny and Marcus end up together this season? I mean she literally gave EVERYTHING up for him!
I’m gonna say this before I watch the actual video but Ginny is something else I swear. She was so annoying in the show. If you didn’t hate her I wish for your patience and caring heart 💀
I don’t particularly like or dislike flawed characters but I don’t like characters that are portrayal of a type of person that I wouldn’t like in real life. Ex: I love rue despite her addiction/flaws but I don’t like Cassie or Nate bc they have personalities I hate irl. They aren’t flawed lmfao they are bad people 😂
It's more than just having a bad/negative moment... It's what you do & how far you are willing to go in that negative state of mind. It's about how much self control you extend in the heat of the moment.
It's one thing to yell out "I hate you!!" (Which is nasty, don't get me wrong) & it's a whole other thing to put someone or say something they confided in you that's traumatic & you say "you deserved every beating you got from your parents because you're a selfish bitxx!"
You see what I mean? & those are the kind of lines that "show your true colors" but people LOVEEEEEE to blurr those lines & get this conversation all the way twisted.
I don't believe that's what you are doing by any means but I'm leaving this comment here because what I just typed out are very common scenarios/thought processes.
Anybody that is willing to allow their own insecurities/trauma get in the way of keeping their morally good composure when things are really bad & so heated y'all are in the depths of hell 😅.... Then you really need to re-evaluate your relationship to that individual. Because I am 27 years old & I've battled this very topic for years now & I came to the conclusion that.... A person is not losing control & making a mistake... They are in fact revealing their vile TRUE nature... It took a lot to come to grips with that.. but let me give you an example...
Even in the heat of the moment when I was on the receiving end of the beating/physical & or verbal abuse/unprovoked targeted harassment/ETC ETC... even in my despair or anger I didn't even have thoughts like the example I gave earlier... The worst I have ever thought is "I hate you"... But even that isn't a common thing...
So you really have to wonder & ask yourself what kind of individual even has those truly nasty thoughts about deeply evil & horrific trauma that the individual you're having an issue with has experienced & wanting to throw it at them in such a way.
You really have to wonder in general with people who have thoughts when they are angry at someone where they are willfully & deliberately thinking about someone's secrets & twisting it so you can retraumatize them some more & emabrass & bring them further down...
Once I finally allowed myself to admit this is truly just as low down as it sounds... It's helped me to identify the covert narcissists much easier than before with my blinders on.
I see the good in people but the bad cannot so heavily outweigh the good... Remember that!
In my opinion, Ginny and Cassie are very flawed but in the different ways like :
Cassie was disliked by most of people because she was meant to be like that, she has been through due to her trauma with her father right but it wasn’t an excuse to do shitty things but this is what the writers wanted to show us, her actions weren’t glamorized or normalized bc then everybody called her out her bullshit. She’s very complex and that’s makes her a very realistic and well written character.
Ginny on the other hand, was very very dislikable just, seeing every scene with her make me sick and cringe af. She’s literally the embodiment of « I’m not like others girls », she’s rude to everyone for no reason. She brings racism to everything for her own avantage and the writers think it’s normal. I don’t even know how 2 stupids dudes fell in love with her, just... how ? Okay she has been through with her trauma anyway, that’s not a excuse to treat people like crap. And the worst thing is the writers idolized her behavior and tried so hard to make us feel bad for her and except us to sympathize with her. Her storyline was an another wattpad fanfic. She is one of the worst main characters I ever seen.
I love your analysis on Cassie. Spot on what I was thinking. I have to disagree (kindly of course) on Ginny. They made it a point to show Ginny have trust issues due to moving around because of the choices Georgia had to make due to her less than stellar upbringing which made her need to go on the run to survive. It is Ginny's defense mechanism to be mean and distance herself by being cold since she isn't used to having friends or people be interested in her. The scene where she discusses her racial identity with Hunter who also discusses his own racial identity challenging Ginny's fight with the world is not something I commonly get to see (in the scene it appears both are trying to find out who has struggled the most with their respective racial identity). I will say I can understand the cringe because I had to pause that scene a couple of times to self reflect on what they were even arguing about because I don't identify racially with their struggles, but have a lot of friends who do and that is how I resonated with their characters having conflict that is independant from their romance issues. Ginny does things that I disagree with, that evokes frustration, I just disagree that there aren't any reasons behind her mean girl to pop out.
@@malbano I totally respect your opinion but the thing is, she never acknowledged her mistakes or haven’t any repercussions for her actions even when she was rude to her mother and then Georgia confessed to her that she was raped and molested when she was younger and Ginny was shocked a time but the next day, she’s still became rude to her mom as if nothing had happened like wtf ? How can you have so much lack of empathy ? She didn’t even apologized and the writers keep to idolizing her, this is so messed up.
@@johanaforever965 I think what a lot of people fail to see with Ginny and the way she treats her mom is that Georgia created that environment and situation. She wasn’t a parent, she was a friend. She never taught Ginny to deal with her problems, she taught her how to run away and not deal with consequences. And all the anger and frustration that Ginny manifests now is just a build up from that. I do agree that writing isn’t the best on the show, they tried to paint Ginny as this woke sort-of character that I think would do really well in 2016, but now it’s just cringe.
@@johanaforever965 Cassie has also never held herself accountable for her actions either. She was more scared of getting beat up by Maddy than losing a friendship. Even after she tries to attack Lexi to try take the heat off of her. Although Ginny and Georgia had its flaws, it clearly had a theme of “Like Mother, Like Daughter”. Everything Ginny was doing Georgia already did. Hence why Ginny was messing with hunter and Marcus at the same time, while Georgia was messing with that mayor and baby father.
Another banger of a video, bestie. I love!
He’s done it again 🔥
People usually either hate flawed characters or they act like they're amazing and never did anything wrong and there's an excuse for all of their actions. Both of those reactions are completely missing the point that they're not necessarily just good or just bad.
wait this lowkey confuses me because i had this friend who fatshamed two people on twitter and i cut them off because that’s such a shitty thing to do especially since the people found out about it. Was that me reducing them to their “ugly moment” or me recognising they’re bullying??
flawed characters make the show way more interesting
What I truly hate is when they’re blind to how bad they truly are and act innocent or Victim-like.That in reality or in a tv show annoys the living CRAP out of me!! This is coming from someone who LOVE villains more than the protagonist in movies (yes even in “realistic “ ones)
part two!!! beautiful!!!
I forgot to put this.
The MCU fits the bill when we talk about why we loved flawed characters. Each hero and even villain has a motive or a purpose that we can relate to. They struggle to make that dream a reality.
The heroes strive to do good even when they unintentionally are responsible foe innocent lives being taken (the sokovia accords). They even battle each other because they both have valid, but different reasons why they should or shouldn’t be against the accords. Captain America was protecting his friends. Iron Man was trying to do right buy the people he took.
Each character, even Loki has an arc that redeems them.
We sympathize with the villains because they each have a valid reason for doing what they do.
Take Thanos. He wants a better world even if it means many lives being taken in the process. He worries they will never survive if they don’t take drastic measures. While we don’t fully agree with him, we understand him
I think its therapeutic to hate on flawed characters because they're not real and often times the audience member sees themselves in the flawed character and since you can't really take the anger out on yourself you take your anger out on someone who 'isn't real'. I can hate on Cassie all day but I'd be lying if I said I didn't see bits of myself in her.
Because they represent the worst buried parts of us
nuanced king
Yes, the best characters are flawed. Or live in a flawed world. Period. Just look at Donald Duck (flawed) or Mickey Mouse (lives in a flawed world). Do you watch Atlanta? I love the characters, because they repeatedly make the wrong decisions or are thrown into some messed up situations. Either or it pretty much explains the human condition. No one is perfect and the world we live in is hella f'ed up. So you might as well accept that you have no control when things don't go your way and that you are only human when you are at your lowest. That's why being a celebrity is so damn hard, because one day you are praised and put on a pedestal, the next you are thrown under a bus and become a scapegoat. So you better keep it low key or you will be eaten by the masses. Just look at Kanye West, J K Rowling and the latest Will Smith. Would love to hear your take on Atlanta; the newest season 3 is streaming now.
Part two pleaseeeeee
Definitely interested in a pop culture video! I am always looking forward to what you have to say :)
Yes I would love a part 2 part 3 part 4
Speaking on never have I ever I love Devi no matter what lol
Great video!! I think another flawed character from a show is Sam from Cobra Kai. No one attack me pls😂, just an opinion. She's done some bad things, but she's the only one really attacked by fans because of the things she's done, whereas everyone else in the show has also done bad things, some even worse🤷🏾♀️
hi! recommendation here for “one of us is lying”! i would love to hear your thoughts about this show since i liked and enjoyed it so much!!
I'll check it out!
Omg you sound like díangelo Wallace
Cut off culture literally just sounds like cancel culture except in our personal lives and that’s actually scary because it makes me feel like we’re REALLY losing our humanity as a species now
I think it’s so much easier to hate on flawed characters than to realize we see a lot of ourselves in them. I’m not saying we’re all going around showering in eight balls and sleeping with BFF exes, but I’m sure we’ve all displayed our own moments of selfishness, deceit, ignorance, gluttony, etc. TV highlights their flaws in very grandiose ways but when we stop “hating” them I think we can learn a lot of lessons about ourselves through them.
Thanks for the good life lessons
Stop giving Cassie grace and please realize it is not about Nate. Sis has no self-esteem and is obsessed with Maddie she basically wants her whole life they’ve had the same disadvantage of coming from a “broken” or “dysfunctional” Family. The reason Cassie did what she did it because she was always going to do that she never liked Maddie she couldn’t stand her because somehow she was still better off than her and still well liked by everyone around her and she always got whatever guy she wanted. It was never just about Nate she wanted to be just like Maddie I want she’s willing to put herself down and be with a guy who will mold her into what he wants simply for the attention and love that’s my take🧐
I just don't like how everyone hates cassie but loves jules even though they are the same they both crave love and attention and both have parent issues everyone lets jules slide because her mom was an addict but everyone forgets cassie's dad was an addict too also cassie still fucked up but at least she was with someone single but jules cheats multiple times but people just blows it off they are practically the exact same it just doesn't make since
I love your videos ❤️
this video should be required viewing before someone makes a #/TeamMaddy tweet or something of the sort
BREAKDOWN OF MCKAY
I’m eating rn my brotha😖…….. (referring to 3:38 and 7:51)
see the Cassie thing has been bothering me lately cause everyone just hates her without thinking about why she acts the way she does and i see part of myself in her and i realize she’s not a good person but it’s a realistic depiction of the way things could go and i don’t think it’s as black and white as people make her character to be
and people just chose to ignore the reasons behind why a character may do
something there’s no way Cassie doesn’t have other stuff going on in her head causing her actions to seem plausible it’s not like she’s doing it to intentionally be a bad person
yes she has some work to do to be better and realize what her actions are causing but it’s not that simple it has to be worked on
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AHH RUMI!!
AHHH SUFIANU
@@imuRgency 😂😂 you’re back with a banger🤩🤩
Audience love to support male flawed character then a female flawed character.
that part
I thought everyone loved anti-heroes
No cause ginny was soooo annoying and disrespectful to her mother who was literally doing her best 🙄
georgia ain’t allat
Georgia was a great character, but a terrible parent. There’s a difference.
Well just because she was doing her best doesn’t mean that she’s doing enough, Georgia loves Ginny and there’s no doubt in that but her decisions can affect her children’s mental health and life negatively
Imo y'all just normalized such crappy behavior to the point when a character does bad thing they're just "flawed". Let's be real babe if a character is repeatedly adulterous, shady, and manipulative then people have a right to dislike them because idk about YALL but that's not just "human nature". I'm not saying I'm a saint but...
Everyone’s standards seem so low, I guess we’re all used to people doing shitty things and don’t expect more. It’s one thing to watch a character and think they’re entertaining because they’re “flawed” and another to have those same toxic behaviors happen to you in real life, we need to stop tolerating and normalizing abusive situations.
No one is saying not to set boundaries between yourself and toxic behaviours or accept their bad behaviour, the point is it’s not really your place to label people as being good or bad as we’ve all made mistakes. There’s a little more nuance to humans than just good or bad, empathising and understanding their actions doesn’t mean you agree with them or their actions. For some they’re in denial and refuse to see their faults and by all means, set your boundaries, but there’s a huge difference between doing bad things and having bad intentions. You don’t have to like everyone but just remember you’re probably the bad guy in someone’s story 🤷🏽♀️
The people in the comments agreeing are the same people that will comment that they hate them.
I think people hate more on Cassie because she's the easier target. She's just a weaker person. Every character on this show is kind of... just awful. From the first episode of this show Maddy has done more than "flawed" stuff she's actually a villain and people praise her actions as a "girl boss yas queen". Except if a man did those things they'd call him narcissist, manipulative, and abusive.
Honestly the only thing that Maddy ever did that rubbed me the wrong way was lying on Tyler. Other than that she’s not that bad, she was just in a abusive relationship that brought out the worse in her similar to Cassie.