Flames of War Battle Report: US Paratroopers vs. German SS
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2020
- Jon and Jake try out the new Waffen SS book for flames of War as Jon takes his US Airborne vs the fanatical SS!
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When it's Sunday morning and you prefer watching a battle report than a movie... thank you guys! :)
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Your batreps were awesome before, now you added a whole lot of quality in post production and it really shows! Simply terrific
Thank you! Trying our best and with the launch of our patreon better things are on the horizon!
Thanks for the battle report guys!
Fantastic, another battle report!
Thanks guys for another excellent bat rep. Can I make a suggestion about your dice. A dice tray would save you having to move the camera so much and reduce the chances of cocked dice.
Awesome stuff again
thank you guys
i'm glad you guys are still doing FoW content, I just got back into the game after a long hiatus and it kinda sucks to not see any content newer than 1 - 2 years old.
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Hey Jon and Jake. I have only just discovered your fine channel. I recently had Covid over Christmas and you guys really cheered me up. Thank you and keep up the good work.
Hi Rob! I'm glad we could help. much thanks!
@@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall Just love your work :) My friends do, too.
No sympathy for the SS. But sympathy for Jake
Yes! Thanks Kev!
Nice game, as always. I love the new turn trasition. I have two rule additions: The Desert Veterans command card ist a formation card. so you only can use it when playinga formation of M10. And the Nebelwerfer uses the Salvo template, not the Artillary template.
Thanks for pointing that out, I wasn't sure regarding the formation card, but now I know. There were some minor mistakes besides the above mentioned, but overall, it was an ok game.
@@onomatopoeia7505 That is wrong. Desert veterans can bu utilised as a support platoon option. Same for dday german command cards such as 116th Greyhound. He is correct about the template.
LFTF, page 17, under "Formation Support".
Q: Can I take a Formation card for a
Support Unit taken as Formation Support from that Formation. As an example, can I take a Motor Platoon as Support for my Grant Armoured Squadron, and use the Guards Motor Company card to make it into a Guards Motor Platoon?
A: Yes you can. Pay the cost for the Formation
card as usual, but only apply the effect to the Unit.
And mortars re roll their first range in die
@@pierceruppel1688 Thats V3 mate. V4 doesn't have that rule.
@@allnations31 Note that while you could theoretically apply 116th this way, you (probably) do not get negative points benefit from it (so there would be no game reason to do it). Per LFTF: "What happens if the Formation card that I want to use with a Support Unit has a negative cost? If the card has a negative cost (such as the British White Knees card), you do not get a discount since the price is for a whole Formation and you only have a single Unit, so you take the card at a cost of 0 points."
Great batrep guys, my condolences Jake, terrible luck
Nice Battrep as always. Greetings from Germany
Thanks!
Fun to watch, I come you did not use salvo template for your Nebelwerfer, I saw you using the arty template... was it a mistake. ....
In this battle SS need more recon units with sdkfz250 , and changing JGpanzer Iv and panthers for PZ IV and stug III for add more numbers (pak 40 out)
The jagdpanzers took one for team, no real way around it. The Paks and 88 were a bit too static for an assault. Could have been replaced with a couple of Tigers I for direct support.
"You horrible monster" aaaand subbed
Hi Jon, I do enjoy the way you do your 'Batrep' , as you call them. I would like to suggest one minor addition to the way you do your filming in the initial phase of the battle for those of us who (...unfortunately) think in a 'big picture' way, please. For me, I would have appreciated a big pan from your camera of your whole table in order to get a handle of how the table/terrain is set out/oriented. I suggest this in the spirit of positive feedback. I do appreciate the effort you go to, in order to produce these 'Batreps', which is why I chose to become a patreon.
Thanks for the comments! I always appreciate the feedback and you bring up a great point. We will try to show more of the table in the Pre-game.
I would have dropped the smoke.
Awesome batrep. Poor Jake, getting good rolls when it doesnt matter and bad ones when it does. Look forward to the rematch! Hope Jake takes Brits. ;)
You should have had a print out of your list so that it would have been visible
yes post list thanks
Are the Puma's not Scouts in the new edition? are they not able to push out your deployment zone?
they are
Also curious how they’re available in this list. I don’t see how to take them without a recon formation.
Isnt the M10s an Open top vehicle in which case the top armour would be 0
Dear Guys, "Old Hands" rule apply to units from formation. I don't think it can be used for units from support.
Thanks, I thought we got that rule right but maybe we missed an instance of it. I know we had a question during the game but eventually figured it out. Thanks for the catch!
@@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall no problem, your welcom. Ana thanks for another great movie. I really enjoy your videos.
Yeepee !!!
so whats the deal with the 4 up turret or hull rule, and does it change the armor value? i jut started playing and the rule is not well described
Check out page 59 of the little rulebook. but the short of it is that the Both the Turret and Hull have the same front and side armor values. So it the turret never turns the front stays the same and you dont have to worry about it. But imagine a sherman facing you with its turret is turned 180 so the back of the turret is facing you. you need to know if your shot hits the better armored hull of Armor 6 (that's facing you) or the weaker turret side armor of 4. So you role a die. 1-3 hull and 4-6 Turret. Hope this helps
@@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall thank you, makes a lot of sense now
At 38:00 you guys split the Sherman machine gun and main gun fire between two separate units. I thought a unit could only fire at one target unit and not split fire between two target units?
Thanks for the question! My interp is from the "declare targets" step of the shooting phase. Targeting is team by team in the unit. It says something to the effect of "Multiple teams can target a single enemy or you can spread out your fire as you wish." I don't see any restrictions that says those targeted teams must all be in the same unit.
You can spread it out. Just think about the secondary weapon rule on the Grant/Lee for instance. You can shoot the tank's 37 mm at another target then it's hullmounted 75 mm. Probably my favourite midwar tank in game. (Ironic seeing it was looked upon less than kindly by many a tanker)
All Miniatures Great and Small awesome, thank you! The videos are great, keep them coming.
Those SS tanks deployed like a game of Rush Hour made me laugh :D
I wouldn't have smoked either. #Jakewasright
Yes! Thank you! Is this beginning of my own hashtag because I love it!
Great report. SS seem to be a lot less of a threat in this game. the hit on 3+ meaning that you must be a pro at maneuver to keep them concealed and behind cover or they are getting smoked. Interesting.....
They do offer a completely different play experience, that's for sure. German players get to feel the Soviet's pain. :)
The Bazooka was out of command so it gets a plus one against the Panther
Hi Dean and thanks for the comment. not sure what part of the battle you are referring to however if a out of command team does not move there is no penalty to shoot.
I just started getting into FoW and have been watching your content. Thanks! Would you be able to share the recipe you use to paint your American tanks? Really like the highlights.
You should have spearheaded Pak 40s or your 88s.
Visibility is only 6 inches in tall terrain.
Sorry I've got no one to play against since this pandemic start, so this is how I play?
Just to clarify, the US M-10's in MW are hit on a '3'. I believe Jake needs to attend a course on die rolling if there are any offered on-line? ;-0. I too played a game with the SS and faired badly. I think they might need to include a regular German D-Day unit in their force list. Which one, haven't picked one out yet.
FoW looks like a great game and I really love their new plastic miniatures that have much better detail. The only thing that really bugs me about FoW is how unrealistically vehicles have to be clumped together. It makes it look like a restrictive board game without the visible grid. Just my observation.
Fair enough, of course it's all in how you choose to play the game. If you don't like the packed look you can play with less points on the same size table, or play with infantry companies and fewer tanks. It's all about how you have fun.
@@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall oh for sure! I totally get it. Regardless I do enjoy watching your battles. I love the paint jobs on your models too! Great job. Keep rolling and have fun!
If you shot first and smoked after?
You must shoot bombardments smoke first before any other fire, sadly.
All Miniatures Great and Small that I have missed!
All Miniatures Great and Small thanks for sharing that!
@@petepan82 I should also say that direct fire smoke Works a little bit differently. But it still needs to be the first thing that a platoon shoots before any other shooting.
If the SS player spearheaded the Pak 40s into the woods using the Pumas. It would have Countered the M10'S.
Cant game, I can only watch.
Problem with V4 LW SS in my view: they have the "wrong" kind of teams for Aggressive rating. For infantry, you want teams that are VERY narrow in function and therefore cheap and numerous. US AR works this way, as do Hero (non-Motor) Rifles for Soviets. 3/2 ROF Fearless/Assault3 MG teams are too good at too many things, so you don't get enough stands to offset the inevitable losses and also not get thrown back in assault. Aggressive schrecks are 2 points! Same goes for most AFVs - they are fragile and still not exactly cheap (SS Panzer 4 same price as Careful Achilles), so you still get outnumbered or equaled by stuff like Shermans with Stabilizers, Achilles, FE Churchills, etc., even when those are hit on 4s. Ironically, the one German AFV that could be OK with Aggressive, the Tiger, is still Careful! For AFVs, the ideal Aggressive Unit is both cheap and heavily armored. Case in point - 5 Soviet Churchills for 16 points.
Play regular heer. They are resilient and do most of the time what you want them to do.
Well, these guys don't seem to understand the cards or really like to use them. Making them 9th SS and using 'The Best...' cards gives you that +4 to be hit. Jacob also didn't cover his advance with smoke. If you use stock SS, they are monsters in assault, but the problem is getting there to get in assault.
Wow Jake! Such bad rolls. I feel for you. When the dice are cold they are cold. And by cold I mean time to buy some new dice!
Why dont you show your forces in start of the game like many previous games, just reading the army list is not very good as showing the whole armies visually? No need foe reading and any list shoving, just show your whole armies in start.
I also prefer the army on parade shot. It's a lot clearer and I enjoy looking at those beautifully painted models.
What the heck is Jake always looking at ? It sure isn’t the camera. It’s distracting.