I think the only reason this gets to shuttle the poor through the truly bizarre Bishops Avenue is that its dinky and cute - no thundering double decker damaging the view - they know the cleaner needs to get to work but prefer it were done as unobtrusively as possible. I like your description of Ingam Ave as 'Georgian' - its the pastiche of the style that was popular in the '30s and gave only a superficial lip service to overall lack of ornament/detail, with the houses shapes/groundplan more closely resembling a Lutyens country house - the very idea the Suburb was aiming for - posh arts and crafts in the country feel, but still close enough for Fortnums to deliver. The style was also keenly adopted by the London Boroughs but most powerfully by the London County Council - the first unitary authority for the capital - with the result that LCC Georgian council blocks and estates sprang up all over London. I think that helped to give a veneer of equality to the city struggling to overcome the damage inflicted during WW2. Sorry about this lengthy digression, but I think it shows the quality of your vids, dosnt just answer the original questions, creates new ones as you watch!! Very much enjoyed this, who would think a dinky little bus route could be so interesting? Thanks , well done,m keep up the good work etc, all cliched but true stuff.....loved it
You’re very welcome! The 102/210 have both used The Bishops Avenue on diversion before as DD routes, so it is possible to operate DDs down there and the roads are definitely wide enough for them, although there are low trees and there’s signs dotted up much of the road about it :)
Yes, most of the big houses around there use classical cliches, but they are way more 'vulgarama' than they are neo Georgian. Millionaires with taste shun them and buy a real Georgian house in Hampstead village, rather than this ghetto for 'the on the make' second hand car salesman type. (And they left the apostrophe s out of The Bishops Avenue to help householders spell where they live.) I use the 210, and often when its on diversion it fair rattles down there. The horror shown by the natives, as they turn around to see plebs like me on the top deck ogling their au pair in a top window....😀....
I don't live in London, so when I visit I make the most of all the public transport I can. One time, I decided to go out of my way to do sister route H2, and it was honestly a very fun experience. The tiny Optare Solo SR seemed so out of place in London, and it's amazing how such a small (for the UK!) bus route runs every 7-8 minutes and still gets popular. Some of the roads were very tight, and it was my first Hail and Ride experience. I would love to try the H3 someday! Great video.
I haven't been down The Bishops Avenue for a long time. Last I heard, a lot of the houses were pretty much derelict. Maybe that's just the East Finchley end. Quite a few were just bolt-holes for wealthy Arabs to stay when they came over to have the fun they're not allowed to in their home countries. They were crazy! You'd go into their houses and they'd dump an entire forest of 'herbs' on the table and tell you to help yourself. Then it was off to a club to meet ladies. One guy used to park illegally outside Harrods because he'd rather pay the fine than walk a couple of minutes. The amount of parking fines those guys racked up. I don't think most, if any, were ever paid. Crazy times! I always thought it was strange that buses were driving down it, but now I think about it, it's a long-ish road so I imagine it's used by the people who work in the houses, which would explain why it runs infrequently.
Thank you, this was well worth doing and well worth watching! WRT unoccupied Bishop's Ave properties, at least one saw an extended Xmas/New Year squat party in the mid '80s, the stuff of legend \m/
5:04 - ruddy heck, I've driven N161 YEG long after that picture was taken when she operated for Shamrock of Pontypridd Well, well, well... Fancy seeing an old friend Great video as always - keep up the good work Edit: 7:28 - my home city gets a mention!
@@somenorthlondoner Oh, they were indeed... EYMS (I'm from Yorkshire) had a load of them - mainly operating in Scarbrough - but also a few in Hull and I used to love travelling on them as a kid. When YEG was withdrawn, it was really rather sad and I felt rather sentimental and gave her a little wash so she went to the scrappers with some dignity and rolled the blinds round to show she was ready for service
It would be interesting to know why so many of the properties in that area or empty ... is it because they are bought as investment properties by people who have no intention of living in them, but can just use them to launder money, or is it because there are not enough people around willing to pay stupid money to own a house several times bigger than they could possibly have a use for ...
Routes as sparse as this often are communal (see also the 385 in my part of London where regulars often know regular drivers names)🎩
I think the only reason this gets to shuttle the poor through the truly bizarre Bishops Avenue is that its dinky and cute - no thundering double decker damaging the view - they know the cleaner needs to get to work but prefer it were done as unobtrusively as possible. I like your description of Ingam Ave as 'Georgian' - its the pastiche of the style that was popular in the '30s and gave only a superficial lip service to overall lack of ornament/detail, with the houses shapes/groundplan more closely resembling a Lutyens country house - the very idea the Suburb was aiming for - posh arts and crafts in the country feel, but still close enough for Fortnums to deliver. The style was also keenly adopted by the London Boroughs but most powerfully by the London County Council - the first unitary authority for the capital - with the result that LCC Georgian council blocks and estates sprang up all over London. I think that helped to give a veneer of equality to the city struggling to overcome the damage inflicted during WW2. Sorry about this lengthy digression, but I think it shows the quality of your vids, dosnt just answer the original questions, creates new ones as you watch!! Very much enjoyed this, who would think a dinky little bus route could be so interesting? Thanks , well done,m keep up the good work etc, all cliched but true stuff.....loved it
You’re very welcome! The 102/210 have both used The Bishops Avenue on diversion before as DD routes, so it is possible to operate DDs down there and the roads are definitely wide enough for them, although there are low trees and there’s signs dotted up much of the road about it :)
Yes, most of the big houses around there use classical cliches, but they are way more 'vulgarama' than they are neo Georgian. Millionaires with taste shun them and buy a real Georgian house in Hampstead village, rather than this ghetto for 'the on the make' second hand car salesman type. (And they left the apostrophe s out of The Bishops Avenue to help householders spell where they live.) I use the 210, and often when its on diversion it fair rattles down there. The horror shown by the natives, as they turn around to see plebs like me on the top deck ogling their au pair in a top window....😀....
I thought a lot of the properties are empty as the owners returned to Saudi.
Supply and demand, no need for a double decker.
This was enjoyable! Thanks again for the content.
No worries! :)
I don't live in London, so when I visit I make the most of all the public transport I can. One time, I decided to go out of my way to do sister route H2, and it was honestly a very fun experience. The tiny Optare Solo SR seemed so out of place in London, and it's amazing how such a small (for the UK!) bus route runs every 7-8 minutes and still gets popular. Some of the roads were very tight, and it was my first Hail and Ride experience. I would love to try the H3 someday! Great video.
You should try it! It’s an awesome route!
Lovely! Thank you Harry. I went for a walk on Ingram Avenue a few weeks ago and those houses are massive. Let's go on an H3 ride soon.
Of course! Yeah those houses really are massive lol
I haven't been down The Bishops Avenue for a long time. Last I heard, a lot of the houses were pretty much derelict. Maybe that's just the East Finchley end.
Quite a few were just bolt-holes for wealthy Arabs to stay when they came over to have the fun they're not allowed to in their home countries. They were crazy! You'd go into their houses and they'd dump an entire forest of 'herbs' on the table and tell you to help yourself. Then it was off to a club to meet ladies. One guy used to park illegally outside Harrods because he'd rather pay the fine than walk a couple of minutes. The amount of parking fines those guys racked up. I don't think most, if any, were ever paid.
Crazy times!
I always thought it was strange that buses were driving down it, but now I think about it, it's a long-ish road so I imagine it's used by the people who work in the houses, which would explain why it runs infrequently.
Bishops Avenue, the naffest place to live in London.
Thank you, this was well worth doing and well worth watching! WRT unoccupied Bishop's Ave properties, at least one saw an extended Xmas/New Year squat party in the mid '80s, the stuff of legend \m/
Cheers haha
Must’ve been tricky to draw all those routes out!
Yep haha
5:04 - ruddy heck, I've driven N161 YEG long after that picture was taken when she operated for Shamrock of Pontypridd
Well, well, well... Fancy seeing an old friend
Great video as always - keep up the good work
Edit: 7:28 - my home city gets a mention!
That’s so cool! They did look like cool buses
@@somenorthlondoner Oh, they were indeed... EYMS (I'm from Yorkshire) had a load of them - mainly operating in Scarbrough - but also a few in Hull and I used to love travelling on them as a kid.
When YEG was withdrawn, it was really rather sad and I felt rather sentimental and gave her a little wash so she went to the scrappers with some dignity and rolled the blinds round to show she was ready for service
It would be interesting to know why so many of the properties in that area or empty ... is it because they are bought as investment properties by people who have no intention of living in them, but can just use them to launder money, or is it because there are not enough people around willing to pay stupid money to own a house several times bigger than they could possibly have a use for ...
Hardly a "coach station" at Golders,merely a single stop at the outer edges of the bus station🎩
It’s classified as a coach station on the NX website so that’s what I’m going off
I'd put Palace Avenue in Kensington, King Henry's Road in Camden, large parts of Mayfair and Belgravia, and the inner ring of Regents Park, as rivals.
I used to deliver newspapers in Bishops Avenue,
Oh nice! Was it good?
@@somenorthlondoner , worst tippers at Xmas.
I Remember how confusing the H2 timetable and diagram was at bus stops before the creation of the H3
I can only imagine!
Not only is there the much more frequent H2,there used to be another limited route the H1 that served as mainly a school bus route🎩
That’s now the 631
A small chunk of The Bishops Ave DOES get a much more frequent service:the northernmost bit which the 102 route🎩
Yep, was referring to the bulk of it
Nice one mate
Cheers bud! :)
How else are the staff expected to get to work?
Presumably walk from the 102 or 210…but it is a rather long walk
nice video!
Cheers :)
How else do the workers get to their billionaire employers homes?
Walk from East Finchley or 210 presumably?
210 or 102 and walk.
@@somenorthlondoner - He was being socially ironic.