I just love watching old matches, partly because of the style of play but also because the fans were so much better back then. Case in point, 1:31, two women enjoying the match with tea and biscuits, it's just awesome!
Strange fact: that Bolton side cost just £110 to assemble - 11 x the standard £10 fee payable to a player signing on for the first time as a professional. No pricey transfers; they all came from Bolton itself or nearby. Probably the last Cup-winning team of which this was true. Three years later, the paltry maximum wage was gone, players' pay began to inflate, and clubs outside the top dozen or so could no longer afford to pay their best talent enough to retain them. Club loyalty of the kind exhibited by Lofthouse, Tom Finney, Johnny Haynes et al gradually became a thing of the past.
Credit to everyone at Manchester Utd football club for making it to the final and making sure those who lost their lives didn't die in vain. Only thing that does my head in about this is that Lofthouse always seems to score goals by clattering people and not by skill ha ha ha.
You also get to see some relatively rare footage of the younger, more dynamic version of Sir Bobby Charlton in this vid. More modern fans just tend to remember the older, "silver fox" version of Charlton circa the '66 England WC win IMO.
Yes, I noticed that. No violence in those days or bad language, just football rattles. Note also the innocent looking girl @ 1.01 who would now be in her mid 70s.
Brilliant effort by United to get through to the final after Munich and with a cobbled together team. When watching the full game you can see that for all their efforts there's not really even any out and out wingers or centre forward on the pitch for United so it was definitely an achievement to get that far. Just meant they didn't have the pace and power to beat Bolton who deserved the win. Questionable second goal though haha.
You really get to see many of Lofthouse's positive attacking qualities as a No.9/centre-forward w/that 1st goal IMO. Don't forget that he was also well into his THIRTIES in this Cup Final IIRC...
And ‘ We’re losing but it’s a fair reflection of the balance of play’, ‘We’ll see you all in the bus queue outside’, ‘ You only sing, like us, in strict tempo’
It was just painful to watch as the post Munich 1958 FA Cup final saw Busby Babes in crutches as he lead the United team to face Bolton Wanderers at Wembley. But a poignant reminder that a year ago,it was the Busby Babes that was chasing the double but their hopes were dashed by a 2-1 defeat to Aston Villa in the 1957 FA Cup final with Peter McParland scoring a brace and Tommy Taylor for United. Again United hopes of an FA Cup triumph was dashed by a brace from Nat Lofthouse who would want sentiments to get in his way.He lamented,"I was just doing my job and that's all." And for the second consecutive time United had to play bridesmaid.Only Bobby Charlton and Billy Foulkes were survivors from the starting XI that faced Aston Villa the year before in the 1957 FA Cup final.
Stan Crowther had played in the 1957 final too .... but for Aston Villa. United signed him after the Munich disaster and were allowed to field him in the 1958 competition even though he was "cup-tied", having already played for Villa in it. The FA managed for once to avoid being their usual bone-headed selves, and gave special dispensation.
Yes, and the keeper Trautmann broke his neck in the 56 final as well. 3 finals on the trot with a goalkeeping injury. And then in the 1960 final Wigan chairman Dave Whelan was carried off with a broken leg in the 1st half, with no subs allowed in those days. Then in 1965 Gerry Byrne broke his collarbone in the 3rd minute and played on for the rest of the game and extra time as subs were still not allowed.
@@joekavanagh7171 I'd never heard about this, but it's crazy to think that even though the game had been around for 80 years at this point in time, and there'd been so many finals, not to mention matches we don't hear about, where a team, through no fault of its own, and often the opposing team's fault, had been hugely disadvantaged through no substitutes being allowed. And now we have gone completely the other way and have a situation where I've lost count of the number of substitutes allowed, way too many in my opinion. In my day, there was ONE substitute, and the other players would get 90 minute match action in matches being played at the same time, in either the Football Combination or the Central League. Sadly those days are long gone, as now are many of the players.
@@joekavanagh7171 @Joe Kavanagh "Almost all the television, radio and newspaper commentators predicted a comfortable Tottenham victory but in post game reports all agreed that Spurs had looked out of sorts during the opening fifteen minutes and it was only when Chalmers was injured that they began to dominate the game, again leading to cries for the introduction of substitutes in future. For their part Leicester were considered a little unlucky, though few reporters were willing to go as far as to say that the result would have been any different had the injury to Chalmers not occurred. Chalmers himself left the field with ten minutes of the game remaining, at which point Tottenham were comfortably in front and any likely chance of a Leicester victory had evaporated. He was unable to return to collect his loser's medal."
@@johnguthrie7141 Thanks for this additional info, some of which I didn't know and some which I'd forgotten. It's remarkable that all these incidents occurred in such a relatively short space of time: 1952: Wally Barnes 1955: Jimmy Meadows 1956: Bert Trautmann 1957: Ray Wood 1958: Harry Gregg 1959: Roy Dwight 1961: Len Chalmers
In an old football book which I had as a child, there is a frame by frame record of the attack on Gregg. Nothing to do with old-fashioned shoulder charges: both Lofthouse's feet were off the ground, the charge was into Gregg's back and Lofthouse's elbow was in the back of Gregg's neck. Close to a criminal offence.
It was a foul then. Everybody was baffled that the goal was allowed to stand. Even Nat Lofthouse has his tongue firmly in his cheek when David Coleman asks him if the goal should have stood when interviewing him in the dressing room after the game. Harry Gregg was being diplomatic when he tells Coleman "I've turned to face the crowd to catch the ball and that's the last thing I remember."
Had Munich not happened United could have done the double that season. More importantly star players Tommy Taylor and Duncan Edwards could easily have lead England to a World Cup win in Sweden that summer.
Was at the game,but my thoughts throughout were with the players who missed it because of the tragedy. Could feel it in the atmosphere of the game itself. For me a game that has little memories.,due to what had happened before.
Ya know i have just watched the 1957 and 1958 cup Finals which United lost both of them ,, they just didnt seems ta have turned up on the day ,,, But i tell ya sommat if theyed had turned up the opposition would have been slaughtered ,,,,
Bolton's second goal should never have stood. At least we United fans can console ourselves with the fact that since then we have won fifteen league titles, ten FA cups and three European Cups, while Bolton have won precisely.... nothing
I just love watching old matches, partly because of the style of play but also because the fans were so much better back then.
Case in point, 1:31, two women enjoying the match with tea and biscuits, it's just awesome!
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"It's obvious that Greg has recovered."
-Greg throws the ball and immediately holds his head in pain.
It's so much better without the flopping.
+Jay Plays lol
Gregg, fyi.
I realize it's kinda off topic but does anyone know of a good website to stream newly released tv shows online ?
This team managed to go to Fa cup final despite what happend in Munich massive respect.
Very good quality..
Thanks...
Strange fact: that Bolton side cost just £110 to assemble - 11 x the standard £10 fee payable to a player signing on for the first time as a professional. No pricey transfers; they all came from Bolton itself or nearby. Probably the last Cup-winning team of which this was true. Three years later, the paltry maximum wage was gone, players' pay began to inflate, and clubs outside the top dozen or so could no longer afford to pay their best talent enough to retain them. Club loyalty of the kind exhibited by Lofthouse, Tom Finney, Johnny Haynes et al gradually became a thing of the past.
Credit to everyone at Manchester Utd football club for making it to the final and making sure those who lost their lives didn't die in vain. Only thing that does my head in about this is that Lofthouse always seems to score goals by clattering people and not by skill ha ha ha.
Thankfully that was outlawed eventually.
You also get to see some relatively rare footage of the younger, more dynamic version of Sir Bobby Charlton in this vid. More modern fans just tend to remember the older, "silver fox" version of Charlton circa the '66 England WC win IMO.
United played with honor for the players who died in the Munich air disater
It's like a pitch full of Scott Parkers
😆👏👍
interesting how much the camerawork had improved in the 12 months since the 57 Final .....
Yes, I noticed that. No violence in those days or bad language, just football rattles. Note also the innocent looking girl @ 1.01 who would now be in her mid 70s.
She'd be her 80s now if she's still alive @ 1:01.
Full Match Is on RUclips!
Brilliant effort by United to get through to the final after Munich and with a cobbled together team. When watching the full game you can see that for all their efforts there's not really even any out and out wingers or centre forward on the pitch for United so it was definitely an achievement to get that far. Just meant they didn't have the pace and power to beat Bolton who deserved the win. Questionable second goal though haha.
You really get to see many of Lofthouse's positive attacking qualities as a No.9/centre-forward w/that 1st goal IMO. Don't forget that he was also well into his THIRTIES in this Cup Final IIRC...
I cant believe I was there, I was 14 years old.
Big Nat!
I'd love to hear some crowd chants of these times.
"THE REFEREE'S only doing the best he can...and fair play to him"
And ‘ We’re losing but it’s a fair reflection of the balance of play’, ‘We’ll see you all in the bus queue outside’, ‘ You only sing, like us, in strict tempo’
It was just painful to watch as the post Munich 1958 FA Cup final saw Busby Babes in crutches as he lead the United team to face Bolton Wanderers at Wembley.
But a poignant reminder that a year ago,it was the Busby Babes that was chasing the double but their hopes were dashed by a 2-1 defeat to Aston Villa in the 1957 FA Cup final with Peter McParland scoring a brace and Tommy Taylor for United.
Again United hopes of an FA Cup triumph was dashed by a brace from Nat Lofthouse who would want sentiments to get in his way.He lamented,"I was just doing my job and that's all."
And for the second consecutive time United had to play bridesmaid.Only Bobby Charlton and Billy Foulkes were survivors from the starting XI that faced Aston Villa the year before in the 1957 FA Cup final.
Stan Crowther had played in the 1957 final too .... but for Aston Villa. United signed him after the Munich disaster and were allowed to field him in the 1958 competition even though he was "cup-tied", having already played for Villa in it. The FA managed for once to avoid being their usual bone-headed selves, and gave special dispensation.
Yes, and the keeper Trautmann broke his neck in the 56 final as well. 3 finals on the trot with a goalkeeping injury. And then in the 1960 final Wigan chairman Dave Whelan was carried off with a broken leg in the 1st half, with no subs allowed in those days. Then in 1965 Gerry Byrne broke his collarbone in the 3rd minute and played on for the rest of the game and extra time as subs were still not allowed.
Also Wally Barnes, Jimmy Meadows, Ray Wood and Roy Dwight.
Len Chalmers. Leicester 1961
@@joekavanagh7171 I'd never heard about this, but it's crazy to think that even though the game had been around for 80 years at this point in time, and there'd been so many finals, not to mention matches we don't hear about, where a team, through no fault of its own, and often the opposing team's fault, had been hugely disadvantaged through no substitutes being allowed. And now we have gone completely the other way and have a situation where I've lost count of the number of substitutes allowed, way too many in my opinion. In my day, there was ONE substitute, and the other players would get 90 minute match action in matches being played at the same time, in either the Football Combination or the Central League. Sadly those days are long gone, as now are many of the players.
@@joekavanagh7171
@Joe Kavanagh "Almost all the television, radio and newspaper commentators predicted a comfortable Tottenham victory but in post game reports all agreed that Spurs had looked out of sorts during the opening fifteen minutes and it was only when Chalmers was injured that they began to dominate the game, again leading to cries for the introduction of substitutes in future. For their part Leicester were considered a little unlucky, though few reporters were willing to go as far as to say that the result would have been any different had the injury to Chalmers not occurred.
Chalmers himself left the field with ten minutes of the game remaining, at which point Tottenham were comfortably in front and any likely chance of a Leicester victory had evaporated. He was unable to return to collect his loser's medal."
@@johnguthrie7141 Thanks for this additional info, some of which I didn't know and some which I'd forgotten. It's remarkable that all these incidents occurred in such a relatively short space of time:
1952: Wally Barnes
1955: Jimmy Meadows
1956: Bert Trautmann
1957: Ray Wood
1958: Harry Gregg
1959: Roy Dwight
1961: Len Chalmers
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I wonder what the attendance was at this game? It looks dangerously full.....
0:03
All fans wearing suits , imagine that nowadays
the ladies watch the match with a biscuit and a cup of tea... hahahah....=D
Ok and ?
If you watch it from another angle Lofthouse absolutely battered into him. Would have been a foul nowadays.
In an old football book which I had as a child, there is a frame by frame record of the attack on Gregg. Nothing to do with old-fashioned shoulder charges: both Lofthouse's feet were off the ground, the charge was into Gregg's back and Lofthouse's elbow was in the back of Gregg's neck. Close to a criminal offence.
It was a foul then. Everybody was baffled that the goal was allowed to stand. Even Nat Lofthouse has his tongue firmly in his cheek when David Coleman asks him if the goal should have stood when interviewing him in the dressing room after the game. Harry Gregg was being diplomatic when he tells Coleman "I've turned to face the crowd to catch the ball and that's the last thing I remember."
Lo ha ammesso nat stesso anni dopo che era irregolare.
hey i think i see ryan giggs playing
Ik this was 7 years ago but wtf😂
I find it slightly strange how playing styles havent changed. I dont know why...
No VAR back then.
Had Munich not happened United could have done the double that season. More importantly star players Tommy Taylor and Duncan Edwards could easily have lead England to a World Cup win in Sweden that summer.
Was at the game,but my thoughts throughout were with the players who missed it because of the tragedy. Could feel it in the atmosphere of the game itself. For me a game that has little memories.,due to what had happened before.
It can be special for United if they can win the trophy, but Bolton are superior on this match
The busby babes
Coach a Sir mat Busby
Uber cringeworthy kiss at 4:58
Ya know i have just watched the 1957 and 1958 cup Finals which United lost both of them ,, they just didnt seems ta have turned up on the day ,,, But i tell ya sommat if theyed had turned up the opposition would have been slaughtered ,,,,
Pause at 1:32 for tea and bisuits
VAR
1:00-1:01 cantik ceweknya
Who is cantik ceweknya
@@sushantachakraborty9385 its an indonesian language
Bolton's second goal should never have stood. At least we United fans can console ourselves with the fact that since then we have won fifteen league titles, ten FA cups and three European Cups, while Bolton have won precisely.... nothing
Not true
@@cameronfinch938so tell me what is true
Bolton did not have to cheat to beat a team of amateurs. Now they are in the 3rd division. Long may they stay thogden and thogdad!!!