Howard Kendall was a real football man and a gentleman too. He had the class to commiserate with Kevin Moran over his sending off despite just losing the FA Cup Final. Absolute class from him.
It was a fully justified sending off. Although Moran argued that he was going for the ball, and I partly believe him, he made absolutely sure that he was also going to get the man if he didn't get the ball so the referee didn't have any option because it looked like a clear run on goal was there for the taking. I still believe that United deserved their win in spite of the 'agricultural' nature of Kevin Moran's challenge though as they regrouped and still found plenty of opportunities for attacking, playing with the greater determination of the two teams and not just trying to soak up the pressure in the hope of gaining - as you could then -.a replay. Still, Everton also deserve their plaudits for a brilliant season. As Meatloaf sang on the classic Bat out of Hell album, Two out of Three ain't Bad.
@@oleggorky906 Everton players reckon if they just had one more day to recover after their final in Rotterdam 3 days earlier they would’ve done United. Everton played about 60 games that season.
@@campbellgraham1979 Well, I’m not going to knock you for that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I would expect an Everton fan to say that because he’s speaking out for his club. All I have to go on is that for the last 12 minutes of normal time and the 30 minutes of extra time, United showed the greater determination and won the match. As for being weary over a long season, United, City and Liverpool have at various times had to contend with the same and still gone on to win three trophies in the same season after playing 60 plus games - 70 plus if you count that many of them were international players, capped by their country’s. United were playing two games a week most of the time from February to late May in 1999. That’s just the price of being successful. Still, Everton won the second encounter in 1995. I can’t understand why such a big club, one of the founding members of the - as was then - football league has gone through such an extended drought.
@@oleggorky906 back in 1985 tho Everton played about 60 games with a 14 man squad and you only had 1 substitute. I think Everton’s problem of recent years is really poor recruitment by spending too much money on poor or average players. I’m sure I heard that no other club in the world has spent so much money without winning a trophy for so long.
The first proper football match i ever saw of manchester uniteds. This was when i first started supporting them from this match onwards. Would of been 7 yrs old then. Great memories.
LFC fan. Great football. Fantastic Everton side. My dad and Uncles supported Everton. They always said I was raised wrongly - supporting Liverpool. Man Utd and Everton produced a classic FA Cup final!
Watching Utd in the Atkinson era was superb, they played beautiful football and had real passionate characters in Whiteside, Robson, Moran, Hughes; great memories
United relied on Bryan Robson too much then.They could have won the league in 85/86, but when they lost Robbo to those shoulder injuries,it derailed their season.Also selling Mark Hughes to Barcelona in 86 was a massive mistake.Big Ron has since said Sparky wanted to leave, but Hughes himself has said he didn’t really want to go,so you take your pick on who to believe.Former United manager,Tommy Docherty ,said at the time it was a crazy decision to sell Hughes.He said they could have built a team around the likes of Hughes,Whiteside,Robson and McGrath.And he was right.And as we later saw, Alex Ferguson brought him back, and he was a massive influence to the team when they won the Premier league in 93 and the double in 94.
First football match I can remember watching live on tv in the Netherlands. The FA cup Final was the only english game broadcasted in dutch tv live. Other than that we had to make do with an occasional clip of a league game. It was almost like an alien world to me. Since then Everton has become one of my favorite teams because they played in blue shirts just like my own club did. Especially Neville Southall was a favourite after the dutch commentator mentioned that he was a bin man and had hands like shovels.
Same here, in Portugal. And uefa finals. Some times, a game from ½ ou ¼ finals. But FA final was sacred. Also became Everton fan in this final. Also in CWC final vs Rapid Wien, in Rotherdam. Die hard blue fan for live.
Same here in Greece.I feel nostalgy for these years because international football matches were so rare in tv that it created a sweet expectation.Nowadays football matches are overshown that it doesn't make sense to watch.
@Dean Linney EFC were shattered.. just like LFC in 1977! They'd just won Cup Winners Cup on Wednesday and won the league weekend before.. otherwise they'd have picked up the FA Cup I think .. great goal by Whiteside!
@Dean Linney to be fair Utd did the treble.. that's the real treble.. as all the big games coming at once! Several against arsenal In semi .. leagues always a 'semi' and the European semi and final.. stress pressure injuries courage winning mentality.. all in a concentrated period of time! When liverpool did it 1984! It was with Milk Cup( League Cup) which is played in April!
I’m a Forest supporter and those CHALLENGES on Gary Parker and Gary Charles should have seen Gazza sent off that day.He was completely out of control, and Gary Mabbatt as Spurs captain should have calmed him down.The Ref, Roger Milford was weak as piss.That was the era of GAZZAMANIA after Italia 90, and with Princess Diana there, I don’t think Milford had the stomach to send anyone off.If it had been a league game, he’d definitely have gone.
@@derekharrison1582 You’re absolutely right there, Gazza should have been booked for his first foul, (which was every bit as bad as the second one for which he was booked). As I remember the game, the Ref seemed more concerned about posing in his perm than applying the laws of the game. However, leaving aside Gazza getting a ‘free pass’, Moran’s foul was also very bad in the sense that it prevented a goal scoring opportunity. I’m a Liverpool fan, but a great admirer of Brian Clough, who but for Milford being lenient with Gazza, would surely have won the FA Cup, which somehow he seemed ‘cursed’ never to win as a player or manager.
@@derekharrison1582Gazza was just a clown performer in a shell-suit off the field, and Venables needs to take a lot of blame for Gascoigne on that day and the days leading up to it. Fergie would not have tolerated Gazza's antics on and off the field. He would have been a completely different player under Fergie's leash; a much more stable and a more brilliant player. And I say that as a Gooner.
For anyone who thinks it was harsh or completely wrong for Willis to dismiss Moran, listen to Mottys words "It has to be a booking at the very least" his instincts served him well.
Swiss fan here. Was fortunate to watch that game on TV. That magnificent Whiteside goal against one of the best goalkeepers in the world (and the best team in Europe) is my oldest (I was 10) and still my most precious football memory. English gameplay in the 80s was not sophisticated but the intensity on the pitches and in the stadiums was simply incredible. One has to wonder why the national team didn't win at least one trophy during that glorious decade.
The FA in England was notoriously old fashioned and refused to give the managers job to the great Brian Clough who would have taken England all the way as he did with Nottingham Forest and Derby County. England had many great players during this era
I'll never tire of watching that superb goal by Whiteside. It's a pity this footage doesn't show it from the behind-the-goal camera. It shows just how much curl he managed to get on the ball to squeeze it past the keeper.
When the FA Cup was as big as the Champions League is today.. I remember United played Liverpool in the semi finals to get to Wembley that year, the atmosphere and intensity of those two matches (replay was needed) was off the scale, anyone born after about 1990 will never experience anything like that watching football match today . Great days before money ruined the game.
As a Toffee who was a babe in arms at this time, I sadly dont think Ill ever see our boys be any better than we were back then. This truly was our golden age.
Gosh that was a superb year for football but then it quickly went dark and tragic. The FA Cup was the best trophy to win then due to the fantastic atmosphere of the final. Needs a Champions League spot to do it justice.
I may be a little late, but you are so right. The FA cup winners should bag a champions league place for a couple of reasons. 1 it would make sure clubs put out a decently strong team. 2 It would give clubs who would not normally play European football a taste of the big games.
There are sections of the Everton fans that hate Liverpool and viceversa but for most its more of a banter thing. Im a blue but I dont hate Liverpool. Its just very painful when they are winning European CUps and we"re going nowhere. I think the Utd-LFC thing is more vicious. The two fanbases seem to have zero love for each other, basically a Celtic-Rangers thing.
@@neilefc877 As a United fan for over 40 years, I think the relationship between Everton and Liverpool fans nosedived after Heysel. That Everton team under Kendall IMO would have won the 1986 European Cup had it not been for the ban and possibly retained it a year later too. It doesn't surprise me that Toffees fans are pissed at Liverpool for denying them that opportunity.
@@andycross9840 Thats generally the feeling amongst Toffees. I think our boys would have had a great chance to win a European Cup between 85 and 87 but, as we now see with Citeh, no matter how good your team is, it doesnt guarantee a European Cup. And considering we went into decline after 89, I am not so sure we would have had enough time for European success.
@@neilefc877 You make a good point about City and having a good team isn’t a guarantee, but with regards to 86 & 87 those European Cups were won by Romanian and Portugese teams. I believe Everton would have walked both those years and emulated Notts Forest in winning back to back European titles given how inferior the opposition would have been.
What a great day out that was , last train from Manchester on the Friday night , bit by a police dog on the Saturday at Kings Cross, free entry into the ground and a cracking game . Some great times following utd in the 80s .
Moran took one for the team. Feared by all young Kerry forwards. Scary to think of the drinking done by Robson, McGrath, Whiteside and Moran after the game.
Look at Kendall, obviously gutted not to have completed the treble, going over graciously to Moran and commiserating with him for the sending off, class act. Different era. RIP
this is the bbc1 live feed. did itv show it too ?. anyway, watching this as a 12yr old the class of whiteside's goal blew me away, and the inch perfect pass by hughes with outside of his foot with a bit of curl on it was top class too,
My brother is a friend of Norman whiteside and we where at a man utd legends match yesterday in northern ireland and we sat with him and utd legends in the club house afterwards and it hit what Norman and other legends achieved in there career for man utd and northern ireland. A true gentleman and a true legend
After the Moran sending off, Frank Stapleton went to central defence & played a blinder alongside Paul McGrath..Big Ron’s United should have won the League title the following season. Mind you he was unlucky with the injury to Bryan Robson.
Robson was always injured! I think he spent 108 weeks of his career out injured! With hindsight I think alot of players in those days drank way too much.. and Robson was one of them..I think that's a reason why he got injured, his refuelling and rehab was wrong .. still a football great as where all those players .. great days!
elizabeth evelyn agree with that totally . Back in the day beer was part of the staple diet for many footballers!! However what an incredibly talented player Robbo was!!
@@galtongabriel1172 I was a big LFC supporter.. and LFC players went out all the time.. but they understood the expectations of being winners.. it must be a habit! In the groove and when in the groove just keep doing it until you dont.. that simple really! But drinking was the way! They are my heroes though not these robots of today! I dont care about them at all! And they dont care about the fan..
elizabeth evelyn great days of a bygone era . Robson , Brady, Souness ,Bremner, Hansen,Osgood,Jennings, Dalglish, Best. The list is endless.All Great players unlike today’s football mercenaries.
@@redflag8970 EVERTON were Class Back Then, United were good alright but Everton played some wonderful football, my ERA, Halsyon Days....... Then Hysal Happend and things changed.
@@stormytempest3907 very true. i always think heysel was the end of the whole football culture an atmospheres as it was. died an rebuilt itself late 80s to sky but never quite the same.
@@suzannemartin8628 was going off in small groups of barmies the two firms had a bit of s go but ob rapped it up. both had big firms. i remember we shadowed there mob back into town. they had 14.000.
It's hard to explain why, but this final just felt "BIG" somehow. Obviously all FA Cup finals did in those days, but this one had an epic scale for some reason. Going to extra-time and being decided by a single (amazing) goal helped. The Manchester-Liverpool angle, the red card and the recent 5-0 in the league added detail. For me, the 1991 final also felt "massive", and I guess the 1986 one did too. I guess that one would be the big one for anyone in Liverpool, with it being the first derby final, Liverpool going for the double and it being the undisputed two best teams in the country.
That was our moment,1st team to win the treble,I was gutted that day as these chances very rarely come along in history,we just ran out of legs and they got a second wind after the Moran sending off.7 bastard cup finals in the 80s we only won 2 of them,even worse we played Liverpool in 4 of them and did not win 1.
Jason if that was the case he should have told Kendall as he basically weakened us,I actually cannot remember Sharp having a good game in all the cup finals he played in besides the Watford goal and half a decent game against rapid Vienna,but when it came to the big teams he just did not cut it/do it but this day was a once in a lifetime opportunity missed, United just got lucky it happens,for me personally his biggest fuck up was the sitter he missed at the end of the forest away game a few days before that fateful Oxford game another game he went missing in,if he scored that we win the league no matter what and them jammy bastards wouldn't have nicked the double of us.
Whiteside had absolutely everything except pace / acceleration. It's said that Seb Coe's coach offered to work with him on that but Big Ron said no. Jesper Olsen lost possession time and time and time again. When Strachan later said the team was too small, he was too kind to say there wasn't room for himself and Olsen in it.
And both of them later played for Everton too! Hughes kinda played midfield for us and was brilliant at it, his style was a bit like Paul Scholes. Both great players indeed.
It's been commented in several posts how gracious Howard Kendall was in congratulating/commiserating Kevin Moran after the final whistle. Yes he was indeed, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't Moran have been banished to the dressing room after being sent off and therefore not sat pitchside with the United squad?
I just bought an app to plug into You Tube ... you know the one.. you watch footage of a past game from 30+ years ago and it changes history. Damned gizmo doesn't work though. Everton still lost 1-0! Still galls me.
One of my overriding memories of this game was an incident mid -way in the second half. Seated near the half way line I remember Andy Gray chasing a forward pass, and his legs unable take him forward. At that stage Howard Kendall should have brought on sub, Alan Harper, a great right sided player. United tactically outthought Everton by exploiting wing play to stretch them , after Moran was sent off. Harper was a strong athletic player who would have blocked that tactic. With Trevor Steven inside with Sharp, United may have been undone. After the game reporters asked Kendall why he didn't use his sub, given the big final they had played in Europe days earlier. His response was that these eleven players had achieved so much he wanted them all to finish the game. Norman Whiteside scored cracking winner, .Both he and Mark Hughes would later play for Everton. Years later United chased a treble. And in a late throw of the dice, in a Cup final. Alex Ferguson, in the seasons final game, made two late substitutions against Bayern Munich. They made history by scoring two goals in as many minutes to win the final. As this season ends, what would both sets of supporters do to have these calibre of players today., This great Everton team came close to winning the league title three years in succession.
Love the way after the match they all discuss whether or not it was a sending off.if that was now the player probably be banned for 6 months and his mum put in jail for a week
It's funny how even the Everton manager, Howard Kendall, clearly comiserated with Moran after the final whistle. Not only is that class but it shows a complete shift in mindset from what we have now.
GET THE FUCK IN!! Sparky would be worth 100 billion in today's money. Great to see Moran celebrating the winner; true team player in a way that's rare nowadays.
A question to the English Football Experts. This was in 1985 and the referee did not use cards ? When were they introduced in England ? In Germany they were used since 1971
We introduced them in the mid-70s, but got rid of them again in 81. They were deemed to be creating flashpoints instigating crowd trouble. They returned a couple of years after this cup final when the IFAB made them compulsory.
Successive. 2 clearly were not successful. Shame about 85. That was a great team that deserved to win the Double, which really meant something in those days. Would have been a treble as they also won the now defunct Cup Winners Cup.
@@micktaylorisgod7828 They should bring back the old format... European Cup for league champions ONLY... Cup Winners' Cup self-explanatory, and UEFA Cup if you finished high enough in the league. The "Champions League" is a misnomer... how can you compete in that if you're not even champions of your own league? Crazy, if you ask me.
I'm a United fan but I thought Everton were the best side overall and unlucky to lose. I also think that Moran's sending off was justified and the subsequent tratment of the referee unjustified. Finally, I think that the sending off galvanised United to victory.
Anglozion 76 That was the reason why there was such a storm over the sending off at the time: because it was the FA Cup Final, and nobody had ever been sent off before. Think there was an unspoken convention until then that no player would be sent off, due to the occasion. The ref was totally demonised after the game, but that was totally unfair: the tackle was dangerous, and Reid would not only have been clean through, there were two Everton players in support. It was totally the correct decision, even by standards of the day. Worst thing is, in the 1980 FA Cup Final, Willie Young did a very similar thing to Paul Allen and there was total outrage that Young wasn’t sent off, but at the time, the ref was only allowed to book Young, not send him off, thats what caused the change in the rule for a professional foul by the last defender.
This was 1985, the time of Pauline Hickey, i wonder if any of the players who took part in this match were lucky enough to Bombay-Roll that incredible bird ?.
The send-off was a bit harsh. You mean to tell that in all the history of FA Cup Finals up to 1985, that was the worst tackle? It also struck me as too far away to be considered a denial of a goal-scoring opportunity. But Man United did the unbelievable and still won the game. What a gutsy performance.
Willie Young’s was worse, but in 1980, there was no rule in place where a player could be sent off if he committed a foul as the last defender, to prevent a clear goal scoring opportunity, with no other defenders. That foul caused such outrage, that it changed the rules of the game, meaning that the defender could be automatically sent off in this situation.
This team use to frustrate me to bits. I loved them to death. At full strength, they could beat anyone. Even decimated and red carded they could be brilliant. But they could also lose to anyone. Would definitely win a title or two in the 80s if Robson stayed fit.
Was at the game, didn't have a ticket, paid £20 over the turnstile to a dodgy operator. Never been on a more packed Wembley terrace. Police arrested many turnstile operators with £1000's stuffed in their clothing 😂 great result for United with 10 men😊
@@SMSJSC the racist one where he called Desailly the N-word albeit he was quoting someone. He did a lot for black players and I don’t think he’s racist but it was a bad thing to say. Cost him his job as a pundit and he was out for a long time but he does some work at MUTV and he was a brilliant manager
@@kehindea One slip of the tongue, and the world's up in arms... This insane straitjacket of political correctness needs to be shorn once and for all. But aye, Big Ron was a terrific manager. He deserved to keep his job (i.e. United manager) for longer. He built a very good side.
Still remember that day. Huge win for Man United winning the FA Cup! Some of the entitled, spoilt glory hunting fans who support us today should have been around then (although if they were a lot of them would probably have been in the Everton end). Massive, massive win!
Referees were way too inconsistent with sending off back then, Yellow Carding or doing nothing at all about fouls denying goal-scoring chances. Not much better now to be honest.
Howard Kendall was a real football man and a gentleman too. He had the class to commiserate with Kevin Moran over his sending off despite just losing the FA Cup Final. Absolute class from him.
It was a fully justified sending off. Although Moran argued that he was going for the ball, and I partly believe him, he made absolutely sure that he was also going to get the man if he didn't get the ball so the referee didn't have any option because it looked like a clear run on goal was there for the taking.
I still believe that United deserved their win in spite of the 'agricultural' nature of Kevin Moran's challenge though as they regrouped and still found plenty of opportunities for attacking, playing with the greater determination of the two teams and not just trying to soak up the pressure in the hope of gaining - as you could then -.a replay. Still, Everton also deserve their plaudits for a brilliant season. As Meatloaf sang on the classic Bat out of Hell album, Two out of Three ain't Bad.
He was a fucking Judas was Kendall, City was the love affair Everton was the marriage indeed. MCFC
@@oleggorky906 Everton players reckon if they just had one more day to recover after their final in Rotterdam 3 days earlier they would’ve done United. Everton played about 60 games that season.
@@campbellgraham1979 Well, I’m not going to knock you for that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I would expect an Everton fan to say that because he’s speaking out for his club.
All I have to go on is that for the last 12 minutes of normal time and the 30 minutes of extra time, United showed the greater determination and won the match.
As for being weary over a long season, United, City and Liverpool have at various times had to contend with the same and still gone on to win three trophies in the same season after playing 60 plus games - 70 plus if you count that many of them were international players, capped by their country’s. United were playing two games a week most of the time from February to late May in 1999. That’s just the price of being successful.
Still, Everton won the second encounter in 1995. I can’t understand why such a big club, one of the founding members of the - as was then - football league has gone through such an extended drought.
@@oleggorky906 back in 1985 tho Everton played about 60 games with a 14 man squad and you only had 1 substitute.
I think Everton’s problem of recent years is really poor recruitment by spending too much money on poor or average players. I’m sure I heard that no other club in the world has spent so much money without winning a trophy for so long.
The first proper football match i ever saw of manchester uniteds. This was when i first started supporting them from this match onwards. Would of been 7 yrs old then. Great memories.
“Would’ve been” or “would have been” NOT “would of been” my friend.
Same as me (albeit I was 9)
My memory of football was the 83 FA cup final but it was this match that made me a lifelong United fan. I was 10 at the time.
@@mohammedjelloo8023ok plod. 😂😂😂
LFC fan. Great football. Fantastic Everton side. My dad and Uncles supported Everton. They always said I was raised wrongly - supporting Liverpool. Man Utd and Everton produced a classic FA Cup final!
This match made me united fan 😊 many happy days since , great to see moran, mc grath and whiteside embrace at the end
Same here i was 7 yrs old then. Have been a united fan ever since
Me 2 👐8yr old at the time been a united fan ever since
I was at this final and right behind the whiteside goal. Always great beating the scousers, great day .🇾🇪🇾🇪🇾🇪
Watching Utd in the Atkinson era was superb, they played beautiful football and had real passionate characters in Whiteside, Robson, Moran, Hughes; great memories
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and mcgrath!!
Yes, Big Ron built a very good side that surely deserved to take more than just two trophies.
United relied on Bryan Robson too much then.They could have won the league in 85/86, but when they lost Robbo to those shoulder injuries,it derailed their season.Also selling Mark Hughes to Barcelona in 86 was a massive mistake.Big Ron has since said Sparky wanted to leave, but Hughes himself has said he didn’t really want to go,so you take your pick on who to believe.Former United manager,Tommy Docherty ,said at the time it was a crazy decision to sell Hughes.He said they could have built a team around the likes of Hughes,Whiteside,Robson and McGrath.And he was right.And as we later saw, Alex Ferguson brought him back, and he was a massive influence to the team when they won the Premier league in 93 and the double in 94.
@@zainalrrayaldaghery1905Gary Bailey wasn’t a flaw. 😂
First football match I can remember watching live on tv in the Netherlands. The FA cup Final was the only english game broadcasted in dutch tv live. Other than that we had to make do with an occasional clip of a league game. It was almost like an alien world to me. Since then Everton has become one of my favorite teams because they played in blue shirts just like my own club did. Especially Neville Southall was a favourite after the dutch commentator mentioned that he was a bin man and had hands like shovels.
Southall used to be a bin man
Same here, in Portugal. And uefa finals. Some times, a game from ½ ou ¼ finals. But FA final was sacred. Also became Everton fan in this final. Also in CWC final vs Rapid Wien, in Rotherdam. Die hard blue fan for live.
Same here in Greece.I feel nostalgy for these years because international football matches were so rare in tv that it created a sweet expectation.Nowadays football matches are overshown that it doesn't make sense to watch.
funs story. whats your local team in holland?
Watching everton v man u now 2020 thinking of this game still as a kid and I'm an Arsenal fan...magic
Was heartbroken as an Everton fan to loose this, but it was a great Man. United side. Fair play to them 👏👏
Everton were a formidable team at this point. They would have have won the European Cup in 1986, no doubt about that.
Dean Linney After '79 I couldn't believe it when Whiteside scored.
@Dean Linney EFC were shattered.. just like LFC in 1977! They'd just won Cup Winners Cup on Wednesday and won the league weekend before.. otherwise they'd have picked up the FA Cup I think .. great goal by Whiteside!
@Dean Linney I'm an LFC fan..
@Dean Linney to be fair Utd did the treble.. that's the real treble.. as all the big games coming at once! Several against arsenal In semi .. leagues always a 'semi' and the European semi and final.. stress pressure injuries courage winning mentality.. all in a concentrated period of time! When liverpool did it 1984! It was with Milk Cup( League Cup) which is played in April!
I’m a Spurs fan, but what Gazza did in the 91 final makes Moran’s tackle look like kids stuff. It’s unfathomable he wasn’t even booked.
Gazza was the Harry Kane of his day………which is why he received very favourable treatment.
I’m a Forest supporter and those CHALLENGES on Gary Parker and Gary Charles should have seen Gazza sent off that day.He was completely out of control, and Gary Mabbatt as Spurs captain should have calmed him down.The Ref, Roger Milford was weak as piss.That was the era of GAZZAMANIA after Italia 90, and with Princess Diana there, I don’t think Milford had the stomach to send anyone off.If it had been a league game, he’d definitely have gone.
@@derekharrison1582 You’re absolutely right there, Gazza should have been booked for his first foul, (which was every bit as bad as the second one for which he was booked).
As I remember the game, the Ref seemed more concerned about posing in his perm than applying the laws of the game.
However, leaving aside Gazza getting a ‘free pass’, Moran’s foul was also very bad in the sense that it prevented a goal scoring opportunity.
I’m a Liverpool fan, but a great admirer of Brian Clough, who but for Milford being lenient with Gazza, would surely have won the FA Cup, which somehow he seemed ‘cursed’ never to win as a player or manager.
@@derekharrison1582Gazza was just a clown performer in a shell-suit off the field, and Venables needs to take a lot of blame for Gascoigne on that day and the days leading up to it. Fergie would not have tolerated Gazza's antics on and off the field. He would have been a completely different player under Fergie's leash; a much more stable and a more brilliant player. And I say that as a Gooner.
For anyone who thinks it was harsh or completely wrong for Willis to dismiss Moran, listen to Mottys words "It has to be a booking at the very least" his instincts served him well.
There was a lot of talk in those days about the “professional foul” - and referees were encouraged to punish it with a red card
Swiss fan here. Was fortunate to watch that game on TV. That magnificent Whiteside goal against one of the best goalkeepers in the world (and the best team in Europe) is my oldest (I was 10) and still my most precious football memory. English gameplay in the 80s was not sophisticated but the intensity on the pitches and in the stadiums was simply incredible. One has to wonder why the national team didn't win at least one trophy during that glorious decade.
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The FA in England was notoriously old fashioned and refused to give the managers job to the great Brian Clough who would have taken England all the way as he did with Nottingham Forest and Derby County.
England had many great players during this era
RIP John Motson 1945-2023
I'll never tire of watching that superb goal by Whiteside. It's a pity this footage doesn't show it from the behind-the-goal camera. It shows just how much curl he managed to get on the ball to squeeze it past the keeper.
@Andrew Bryant Thanks, I'll check it out
No mean feat to beat Southall, arguably the best in the world at the time from that angle and distance..
I'm sure there is footage of the shot & goal...better still, i was there and behind the goal...beautiful memories, i was 19, I'm now 55.
...footage of the goal from behind the goal posts i should of added..
The footage of the goal from behind Norman is better as you can see the end with Utd fans go wild
Mad how shocked they were at the sending off, he properly cleaned him out!
When the FA Cup was as big as the Champions League is today.. I remember United played Liverpool in the semi finals to get to Wembley that year, the atmosphere and intensity of those two matches (replay was needed) was off the scale, anyone born after about 1990 will never experience anything like that watching football match today . Great days before money ruined the game.
Sad but true. I'm just glad I'm old enough (54 now) to remember stuff like this. Football nowadays is a bag of s**t.
I remember fa cup intensity
Great credit to the late Howard Kendall for showing true class at the end. He would obviously have been gutted to lose but graciously went to Moran.
Everton legend in every sense of the word. (reds supporter)
As a west ham fan i have to say whitesides goal was superb
Kevin moran sent off and not given his medal when he went up to collect
Got it later though
As a Toffee who was a babe in arms at this time, I sadly dont think Ill ever see our boys be any better than we were back then. This truly was our golden age.
They were a great side an had a never die attitude plus quality
My last trip to Wembley to watch United what a day
This 10 man side is way better than the current eleven😂
I was 15... one of my favorite days of my life!
I was there I was 16 ...like you one of the best days in my life
I was 14 and also one of the greatest days of my life the strip the tracksuit tops everything was perfect
Except Kev getting sent off the low of the that to the high of Norman’s goal was immense
Same here. 15 years old best day ever. Still watching in 2021!
Everton vs Manchester United always contest the friendest FA cup finals.
Gosh that was a superb year for football but then it quickly went dark and tragic. The FA Cup was the best trophy to win then due to the fantastic atmosphere of the final. Needs a Champions League spot to do it justice.
Yes the cup final was brilliant. I remember being near Wembley Stadium in 1976 when Utd got to the final and the atmosphere was brilliant.
I may be a little late, but you are so right. The FA cup winners should bag a champions league place for a couple of reasons. 1 it would make sure clubs put out a decently strong team. 2 It would give clubs who would not normally play European football a taste of the big games.
My first cup final as a 8 year old kid.... Great memories with my dad, wish football was like this again
This kind of final is like asking a Liverpool fan to chose between being mauled by a tiger or a lion
There are sections of the Everton fans that hate Liverpool and viceversa but for most its more of a banter thing. Im a blue but I dont hate Liverpool. Its just very painful when they are winning European CUps and we"re going nowhere. I think the Utd-LFC thing is more vicious. The two fanbases seem to have zero love for each other, basically a Celtic-Rangers thing.
@@neilefc877 As a United fan for over 40 years, I think the relationship between Everton and Liverpool fans nosedived after Heysel. That Everton team under Kendall IMO would have won the 1986 European Cup had it not been for the ban and possibly retained it a year later too. It doesn't surprise me that Toffees fans are pissed at Liverpool for denying them that opportunity.
@@andycross9840 Thats generally the feeling amongst Toffees. I think our boys would have had a great chance to win a European Cup between 85 and 87 but, as we now see with Citeh, no matter how good your team is, it doesnt guarantee a European Cup. And considering we went into decline after 89, I am not so sure we would have had enough time for European success.
@@neilefc877 You make a good point about City and having a good team isn’t a guarantee, but with regards to 86 & 87 those European Cups were won by Romanian and Portugese teams. I believe Everton would have walked both those years and emulated Notts Forest in winning back to back European titles given how inferior the opposition would have been.
@@andycross9840 Jesus, youre right! Considering we could have won it one of those years having not played the likes of Madrid or Munich...
What a great day out that was , last train from Manchester on the Friday night , bit by a police dog on the Saturday at Kings Cross, free entry into the ground and a cracking game . Some great times following utd in the 80s .
11 years old. Me and me sister took the roof off.
Moran took one for the team. Feared by all young Kerry forwards. Scary to think of the drinking done by Robson, McGrath, Whiteside and Moran after the game.
Made me absolutely love Manchester United, I was 11 and that goal sent me into delirium. What a classic FA cup final, no egos doing stupid dances!!!
Look at Kendall, obviously gutted not to have completed the treble, going over graciously to Moran and commiserating with him for the sending off, class act. Different era. RIP
this is the bbc1 live feed. did itv show it too ?. anyway, watching this as a 12yr old the class of whiteside's goal blew me away, and the inch perfect pass by hughes with outside of his foot with a bit of curl on it was top class too,
The Strachan/Stapleton move at the start of the clip is straight off the rugby training ground! Nice stuff.
Golden era for football, so exciting and it took a great goal to win this final. Southall was one of the best keepers in the world at this time..
We did well to beat a very good Everton team. They deserved the cheers they got from both sets of supporters on the lap of honour.
So upsetting looking back at the cup finals around that time, It will never be the same again! 😞
BORN 1974 AND THIS GAME CERTAINLY STICKS IN CHILDHOOD MEMORIES MORAN SENT OFF.EVERTON WERE DECENT BACK THEN .WHITESIDE BENDDER 5:03
Look at all of the Irishmen together at the end, celebrating, from north and south of the border - Moran, McGrath and Whiteside
i remember that game - Moran off, Whiteside winning goal and MacGrath at his best.
and lets not forget Frank Stapelton
My brother is a friend of Norman whiteside and we where at a man utd legends match yesterday in northern ireland and we sat with him and utd legends in the club house afterwards and it hit what Norman and other legends achieved in there career for man utd and northern ireland. A true gentleman and a true legend
Our finest hour. Two roars.
After the Moran sending off, Frank Stapleton went to central defence & played a blinder alongside Paul
McGrath..Big Ron’s United should have won the League title the following season. Mind you he was unlucky with the injury to Bryan Robson.
Robson was always injured! I think he spent 108 weeks of his career out injured! With hindsight I think alot of players in those days drank way too much.. and Robson was one of them..I think that's a reason why he got injured, his refuelling and rehab was wrong .. still a football great as where all those players .. great days!
elizabeth evelyn agree with that totally . Back in the day beer was part of the staple diet for many footballers!! However what an incredibly talented player Robbo was!!
@@galtongabriel1172 I was a big LFC supporter.. and LFC players went out all the time.. but they understood the expectations of being winners.. it must be a habit! In the groove and when in the groove just keep doing it until you dont.. that simple really! But drinking was the way! They are my heroes though not these robots of today! I dont care about them at all! And they dont care about the fan..
elizabeth evelyn great days of a bygone era . Robson , Brady, Souness ,Bremner, Hansen,Osgood,Jennings, Dalglish, Best. The list is endless.All Great players unlike today’s football mercenaries.
@@galtongabriel1172 👍no soul today.. just jumped up idiots! Not a Bobby Moore or Steve Bull between them .. closest is Milner at Liverpool!
So much spirit and fight in this United team - much more than the current crop of players of 2022.
your right, whiteside, robson, mcgrath thats a hell of a lot a doubles and treble spirits right there
They had lots of games in the 80s they didn’t show up but on their day they could foght
Great final to watch.
My partner was 12 still talks about this game to our 30 year old son to this day
Can’t even imagine the scenes when white side scored that
still one of the highlights of my utd days
@@stormytempest3907 tbf we struggled to get to grips with this everton team for a few yrs bar this game.
@@redflag8970 EVERTON were Class Back Then, United were good alright but Everton played some wonderful football, my ERA, Halsyon Days....... Then Hysal Happend and things changed.
@@stormytempest3907 very true. i always think heysel was the end of the whole football culture an atmospheres as it was. died an rebuilt itself late 80s to sky but never quite the same.
@@suzannemartin8628 was going off in small groups of barmies the two firms had a bit of s go but ob rapped it up. both had big firms. i remember we shadowed there mob back into town. they had 14.000.
@@suzannemartin8628 great day tho they were good an we sneaked thru. replay there would of been mad. didnt draw either scouse for yrs away.
It's hard to explain why, but this final just felt "BIG" somehow. Obviously all FA Cup finals did in those days, but this one had an epic scale for some reason. Going to extra-time and being decided by a single (amazing) goal helped. The Manchester-Liverpool angle, the red card and the recent 5-0 in the league added detail.
For me, the 1991 final also felt "massive", and I guess the 1986 one did too. I guess that one would be the big one for anyone in Liverpool, with it being the first derby final, Liverpool going for the double and it being the undisputed two best teams in the country.
That was our moment,1st team to win the treble,I was gutted that day as these chances very rarely come along in history,we just ran out of legs and they got a second wind after the Moran sending off.7 bastard cup finals in the 80s we only won 2 of them,even worse we played Liverpool in 4 of them and did not win 1.
Sharpy said his legs had gone
Think it was 3 or 4 days after cup winner cup final
Jason if that was the case he should have told Kendall as he basically weakened us,I actually cannot remember Sharp having a good game in all the cup finals he played in besides the Watford goal and half a decent game against rapid Vienna,but when it came to the big teams he just did not cut it/do it but this day was a once in a lifetime opportunity missed, United just got lucky it happens,for me personally his biggest fuck up was the sitter he missed at the end of the forest away game a few days before that fateful Oxford game another game he went missing in,if he scored that we win the league no matter what and them jammy bastards wouldn't have nicked the double of us.
This is the real manchester united the one I grew up watching
Whiteside had absolutely everything except pace / acceleration. It's said that Seb Coe's coach offered to work with him on that but Big Ron said no.
Jesper Olsen lost possession time and time and time again. When Strachan later said the team was too small, he was too kind to say there wasn't room for himself and Olsen in it.
The work by Hughes to put the ball to Whiteside was brilliant, he was some player.
And both of them later played for Everton too! Hughes kinda played midfield for us and was brilliant at it, his style was a bit like Paul Scholes. Both great players indeed.
Andy “He Should of Scored” Gray
.....with one of the greatest misses in a final ever!
#ThankYouVeryMuch
It's been commented in several posts how gracious Howard Kendall was in congratulating/commiserating Kevin Moran after the final whistle. Yes he was indeed, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't Moran have been banished to the dressing room after being sent off and therefore not sat pitchside with the United squad?
Beating the scousers lovely year that was great win man united 😂😂😂😂😂😂🎉
But we won the TITLE. 👍
If only we took it to a replay!
I just bought an app to plug into You Tube ... you know the one.. you watch footage of a past game from 30+ years ago and it changes history. Damned gizmo doesn't work though. Everton still lost 1-0! Still galls me.
One of my overriding memories of this game was an incident mid -way in the second half. Seated near the half way line I remember Andy Gray chasing a forward pass, and his legs unable take him forward. At that stage Howard Kendall should have brought on sub, Alan Harper, a great right sided player. United tactically outthought Everton by exploiting wing play to stretch them , after Moran was sent off. Harper was a strong athletic player who would have blocked that tactic. With Trevor Steven inside with Sharp, United may have been undone. After the game reporters asked Kendall why he didn't use his sub, given the big final they had played in Europe days earlier. His response was that these eleven players had achieved so much he wanted them all to finish the game.
Norman Whiteside scored cracking winner, .Both he and Mark Hughes would later play for Everton. Years later United chased a treble. And in a late throw of the dice, in a Cup final. Alex Ferguson, in the seasons final game, made two late substitutions against Bayern Munich. They made history by scoring two goals in as many minutes to win the final.
As this season ends, what would both sets of supporters do to have these calibre of players today.,
This great Everton team came close to winning the league title three years in succession.
Great goal by Norman Whiteside.
Historical match
I was 19 years old
Obviously historical, it was 36 years ago...
Great Man Utd that time...
Moran deserved the red....took the legs off Reid. .
@@MarkSmith-er7fe who u calling a dickhead?
@@MarkSmith-er7fe dickhead??!!
@@MarkSmith-er7fe whats ur problem...??
Love the way after the match they all discuss whether or not it was a sending off.if that was now the player probably be banned for 6 months and his mum put in jail for a week
Referee is my uncle it was quite clear but I hate how people dive on the floor now and don’t play properly
It's funny how even the Everton manager, Howard Kendall, clearly comiserated with Moran after the final whistle. Not only is that class but it shows a complete shift in mindset from what we have now.
The opinion at the time wos moran shudnt have been sent off, looked a sendin off 2 me
there, gutted , we were knackered after Rotterdam but Everton 85, wonderful side.
i do agree they were tired but utd seemed to get goin after the sending off. great side efc then.
I thought their European final was the following Wednesday...? The Euro club finals usually took place after all domestic competitions had ended.
@@SMSJSC ECWC was 15/5 and FAC 18/5. Wouldn't happen now, they'd spread that out.
GET THE FUCK IN!! Sparky would be worth 100 billion in today's money. Great to see Moran celebrating the winner; true team player in a way that's rare nowadays.
If Bryan Robson had made that tackle in Reid would he have been sent off? Not the England captain.
Peter Reid pleaded with the referee not to send Moran off…. How different things are today
Quite incredible goal... Whiteside... World class... If he had had pace...
This game with only 1 goal in 120 minutes shows why footy was better back then, it was not ruled by money
video doesnt do justice to the United support that day when went down to 10 men.....Sing your hearts out for the lads
totally agree . for me it was our support after the sending off that won the cup.
Was there. Disappointing final but great goal.
Manchester com um a menos venceu na raça merecido título.
Groovy
Moran's sending-off was the worst decision in football history. In the end justice was done as 10 men beat 12
A question to the English Football Experts. This was in 1985 and the referee did not use cards ? When were they introduced in England ? In Germany they were used since 1971
We introduced them in the mid-70s, but got rid of them again in 81. They were deemed to be creating flashpoints instigating crowd trouble. They returned a couple of years after this cup final when the IFAB made them compulsory.
Everton reached 3 successful FA cup finals, winning in 1984 vs Watford
and losing to United in 85 and Liverpool in 86.
Successive. 2 clearly were not successful. Shame about 85. That was a great team that deserved to win the Double, which really meant something in those days. Would have been a treble as they also won the now defunct Cup Winners Cup.
@@micktaylorisgod7828 They should bring back the old format... European Cup for league champions ONLY... Cup Winners' Cup self-explanatory, and UEFA Cup if you finished high enough in the league. The "Champions League" is a misnomer... how can you compete in that if you're not even champions of your own league? Crazy, if you ask me.
"Whiteside's onside"
I'm a United fan but I thought Everton were the best side overall and unlucky to lose. I also think that Moran's sending off was justified and the subsequent tratment of the referee unjustified. Finally, I think that the sending off galvanised United to victory.
Anglozion 76 That was the reason why there was such a storm over the sending off at the time: because it was the FA Cup Final, and nobody had ever been sent off before. Think there was an unspoken convention until then that no player would be sent off, due to the occasion.
The ref was totally demonised after the game, but that was totally unfair: the tackle was dangerous, and Reid would not only have been clean through, there were two Everton players in support.
It was totally the correct decision, even by standards of the day.
Worst thing is, in the 1980 FA Cup Final, Willie Young did a very similar thing to Paul Allen and there was total outrage that Young wasn’t sent off, but at the time, the ref was only allowed to book Young, not send him off, thats what caused the change in the rule for a professional foul by the last defender.
This was 1985, the time of Pauline Hickey, i wonder if any of the players who took part in this match were lucky enough to Bombay-Roll that incredible bird ?.
wtf u on about?
Down by one player and still winning. That was Man Utd.
The send-off was a bit harsh. You mean to tell that in all the history of FA Cup Finals up to 1985, that was the worst tackle? It also struck me as too far away to be considered a denial of a goal-scoring opportunity. But Man United did the unbelievable and still won the game. What a gutsy performance.
it was a red an should of been youngs
sorry so should of youngs been
Tackles like that usually only got a finger wagging in those days.
Willie Young’s was worse, but in 1980, there was no rule in place where a player could be sent off if he committed a foul as the last defender, to prevent a clear goal scoring opportunity, with no other defenders.
That foul caused such outrage, that it changed the rules of the game, meaning that the defender could be automatically sent off in this situation.
This team use to frustrate me to bits. I loved them to death. At full strength, they could beat anyone. Even decimated and red carded they could be brilliant. But they could also lose to anyone. Would definitely win a title or two in the 80s if Robson stayed fit.
Utd fan but that Everton side were brill shame there neighbours got us all banned from Europe
I was there..3 pound notes rolled up and in i went..buzzin me balls off!!
1-0 Norman Whiteside (110 min)
10 men to win the Trophy
Was at the game, didn't have a ticket, paid £20 over the turnstile to a dodgy operator. Never been on a more packed Wembley terrace. Police arrested many turnstile operators with £1000's stuffed in their clothing 😂 great result for United with 10 men😊
Atkinson was a brilliant manager and a decent bloke bar the one daft comment he made
What daft comment?
@@SMSJSC the racist one where he called Desailly the N-word albeit he was quoting someone. He did a lot for black players and I don’t think he’s racist but it was a bad thing to say. Cost him his job as a pundit and he was out for a long time but he does some work at MUTV and he was a brilliant manager
@@kehindea One slip of the tongue, and the world's up in arms... This insane straitjacket of political correctness needs to be shorn once and for all. But aye, Big Ron was a terrific manager. He deserved to keep his job (i.e. United manager) for longer. He built a very good side.
Still remember that day. Huge win for Man United winning the FA Cup! Some of the entitled, spoilt glory hunting fans who support us today should have been around then (although if they were a lot of them would probably have been in the Everton end). Massive, massive win!
The guy who got sent off must've been a Moran
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I was there
Morans foot touched the ball wasn't a red card
The first player to sent off in the final, that why the referee just point to the bench cause he didn't bring any red card, thinking will be no used.
Funny that none of the players has a tattoo
Hughes was amazing
MANCHESTER MANCHESTER MANCHESTER
Manly days
Referees were way too inconsistent with sending off back then, Yellow Carding or doing nothing at all about fouls denying goal-scoring chances. Not much better now to be honest.
Whiteside!!!!!
How Moron, (hope I spelt that right), could even think of contesting that Red Card is a total joke - even for 1985.
I am eleven