Wow, thought every build you make is 100% perfect. Good to see that even someone as experienced as you are sharing the pain of building and that no one is immune to the problems of FPV. We need more realistic videos like this.
Looks like a nice frame. I hope Albert gets it figured out. This hobby does take patience & ability to handle frustration. I only do bind & flys to avoid this, but close to half have been bind & cursed.
Building still sucks in 2024. One part is bad and you spend months diagnosing and spending money. That's why I like BNF's better. They test them at the factory before it goes out and it's up to them to make sure it works day one.
Cant say I have ever had that problem, built all my quads it makes it alot easier to repair when you do crash. I think learning to build and tune your self is a important part of the hobby.
@@goodfellafpv6876 I never learned to build by building a quad from scratch. I learned by fixing a bind and fly. The only repairs I've ever had to make are replacing a motor and camera. There's absolutely no need to learn how to build from scratch. Those days are long gone. Just buy a bind and fly and enjoy the hobby of FLIGHT and not the hobby of building!
@@Johnny19853 Same here. I've ignored the dogma of building from scratch and have plenty of success with repairs and I spend most of my time flying rather than watching videos on building.
Wow that's an expensive build, 2 fried aio board and a motor. Yeah the roll of death, went through 4 motors that died mid flight. Yeah it is shaky the flight footage hope you get it resolved.
I like the flyfish Style. If Not bought a geprc mark 5 i woud build a volador 5 but the reglementations Make a smaller Version Like this more popular for me.. IS IT possible to build IT with walksnail SUB 250?
@@AlbertKimTV nice to know. Do you have experience how long is flight time in normal freestyle. I think it is very AMP thursty and after punshouts battery sagging very fast. Do you now how much Amps IT draws in normal flight and on throttle Punch. I killed a Lot of Batterie on my 4inch freestyle lightweight copter because These small lipos getting really hot 😉
Tuned from BB for 4S, O3, 850mah set dyn_idle_min_rpm = 42 set simplified_master_multiplier = 140 set simplified_i_gain = 70 set simplified_dmax_gain = 0 set simplified_feedforward_gain = 80 set simplified_pitch_d_gain = 90 set simplified_dterm_filter_multiplier = 120 set tpa_mode = PD set tpa_rate = 70
That motor size is over kill on a 3.5 😂. I built the same frame with a dji caddx vista and 1404 motors . Its got plenty of power the aoi is a f7 with current beataflight. Stock tune and it flys amazing on a 4s 650mah Batt
Have you tried the vx3? I got that one but ended up switching to Aos 3.5 due to mainly weight. The volador ones are pretty heavy and props in view started bugging me
Thanks for your videos love them. It honestly looks like you started with a bad motor that took out the aio then the crash you changed the board and the motor took out the new one
After further investigation, I found out the first board killed the motor which then killed the 2nd board. It's interesting all the assumptions people have made from my video without actually testing the parts themselves.
The fact that we put up with that kind of curses reveals how fascinating this hobby really is. Or maybe how patient we are, but speaking for myself, I find the previous explanation a lot more plausible.
Great that you came up with the review, Albert! I'm just having the Volador 3.5" in my shopping cart, still looking at any reviews for the 3.5" as I'm comparing it to the DoMain 3.6". Great content as always!
That is an expensive build, two boards up in smoke. I'm sorry to hear about this "cursed build." I'm glad you finally got the build finally put together. I enjoy your build and I appreciate your frankness regarding the road blocks you encountered along the way. Great build review.
Hi Kim, can you try smaller motors like 1408 and see if you find any difference? Currently I run it with diatone 1408 motors 4100kv and it flys decent and thinking to swap with 1804 motors
Blackbox tuning Volador 3.5 in 4S 750ma / Betaflight 4.4 / Mini stack speedybee F405 / Avatar 1S / Rcinpower 1804 simplified_master_multiplier = 115 set simplified_i_gain = 110 set simplified_d_gain = 85 set simplified_dmax_gain = 0 set simplified_feedforward_gain = 130 set simplified_pitch_d_gain = 110 set simplified_dterm_filter = OFF set simplified_dterm_filter_multiplier = 140 set anti_gravity_gain = 150 set p_pitch = 54 set i_pitch = 106 set d_pitch = 36 set f_pitch = 186 set p_roll = 51 set i_roll = 101 set d_roll = 29 set f_roll = 179 set p_yaw = 51 set i_yaw = 101 set f_yaw = 179 set angle_level_strength = 100 set d_min_roll = 29 set d_min_pitch = 36
I've built some 3.5" frames (JM3.5) and got them under 250gr with 650mah 4s battery and 1505 3800kv motors . Extremely happy I went that way. They fly fantastic and for +6 minutes (while not sparing the throttle, cause I like speed and tricks 😉). My thoughts for this build, 1805 motors is overkill (way too heavy). But I agree with you that some builds can be painstaking when everything goes wrong
If you don't care about being under 250g definitely try out these 1804 motors. They fly amazing, very similar to a 5in. If you're goal is to be under 250g, I agree its on the heavy side.
Yeah, those things happen, Albert. 😕 I need to buy a new VTX for a build that I still couldn't fly because of that. Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I did a build on this frame 3.5 and I thought it was underpowered using 4S I installed the Speedy Bee F4 stack use similar HGLRC motors 1804 my thoughts were that motor size might be too big Maybe was going try 1603 ? I built a similar 3 inch build with using those size motors, and it worked way better.
Bad luck on the hardware issues Albert. I haven’t had many cursed builds per se but I have more than enough half finished builds looking at me day by day :)
Definitely try out the "Supafly" BF preset. I used it on my quadmula 3.5in with the same 1804 flyfish motors and it flew amazing. I need to try out a flyfish frame, their motors have been great so far
Frustrating story! I remember lots of issues the first time I tried to get into the hobby. Would be around the time of Naze32 fc's. I think I got one 2 minute flight in, and then left the hobby until more recently.
Building still sucks in 2024. One part is bad and you spend months diagnosing and spending money. That's why I like BNF's better. They test them at the factory before it goes out and it's up to them to make sure it works day one.
Nice looking frame, reasonably priced. 3.5" is a fun size if you're not flying 5". If I hadn't already built a Grinderino, I would certainly check this frame out. I used RCinPower 1507 3800kv Smoox motors, its a ripper. Builds that would be the death of me. Yep a couple, hardest to trouble shoot was a Kiss Ultra build. No built in blackbox on a new frame that had bad resonance issues. Chased that problem by replacing parts, fc esc, motors. The frame's new, can't be that right? . 😂
I use the exact same setup frame, Motors, and VTX but with a Speedeby Mini stack… I use the AOS Tune and have no wobbles at all, just slight prop wash wen I crank it up. I love this Setup.
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Wow, thought every build you make is 100% perfect. Good to see that even someone as experienced as you are sharing the pain of building and that no one is immune to the problems of FPV. We need more realistic videos like this.
FlyFish frames are getting more popular. I see more of them everyday.
Also have this frame. Love it. Gonna pick up the 5inch soon
Hope FlyFish will start making bind and fly quads soon. They seem to have high quality frames so all they need now are flight stacks.
I hear they are working on this for 2024.
FYI, that tune is for a heavier setup. Try a larger battery and the wobbles might go away.
OK, thanks
Great video, As always ! 👍🏾
Hate the bad hardware domino effect 😅
I've had more than a few GEPRC AIO boards blow up on me so I don't buy that brand anymore.
GEPRC parts are the worst. Sorry you had to learn the hard way!
Looks like a nice frame. I hope Albert gets it figured out. This hobby does take patience & ability to handle frustration. I only do bind & flys to avoid this, but close to half have been bind & cursed.
Building still sucks in 2024. One part is bad and you spend months diagnosing and spending money. That's why I like BNF's better. They test them at the factory before it goes out and it's up to them to make sure it works day one.
Cant say I have ever had that problem, built all my quads it makes it alot easier to repair when you do crash. I think learning to build and tune your self is a important part of the hobby.
@@goodfellafpv6876 I never learned to build by building a quad from scratch. I learned by fixing a bind and fly. The only repairs I've ever had to make are replacing a motor and camera. There's absolutely no need to learn how to build from scratch. Those days are long gone. Just buy a bind and fly and enjoy the hobby of FLIGHT and not the hobby of building!
@@Johnny19853 Same here. I've ignored the dogma of building from scratch and have plenty of success with repairs and I spend most of my time flying rather than watching videos on building.
Wow that's an expensive build, 2 fried aio board and a motor. Yeah the roll of death, went through 4 motors that died mid flight. Yeah it is shaky the flight footage hope you get it resolved.
Building is already more expensive than buying a BNF but when you have to rebuy components due to issues, you're soon in the hole a ton of cash.
I love my 3.5 inch. It’s been great so far and how easy it is to build. Super durable too.
Which one do you fly?
@@AlbertKimTV I fly the 3.5 inch volador with 1606 diatone toka motors 4s build.
High quality frames for sure.
Looks like a solid 3.5 inch frame! I might have to try it out soon!
Go for it!
I have a few guys I fly with that swear by Flyfish frames! Can’t wait to build one myself.
Definitely. I know a lot of guys who LOVE their frames!
Hi, I'm having the same issues with my vx3.5 build. Were you able to tune this properly already?
I like the flyfish Style. If Not bought a geprc mark 5 i woud build a volador 5 but the reglementations Make a smaller Version Like this more popular for me.. IS IT possible to build IT with walksnail SUB 250?
My setup is sub250g with 550mah 4S.
@@AlbertKimTV nice to know. Do you have experience how long is flight time in normal freestyle. I think it is very AMP thursty and after punshouts battery sagging very fast. Do you now how much Amps IT draws in normal flight and on throttle Punch. I killed a Lot of Batterie on my 4inch freestyle lightweight copter because These small lipos getting really hot 😉
Try the SupaFly preset, with dynamic idle set to 30. Works perfectly on my volador 3.5"
second that. I did not change dynamic idle though, just set master mulitplier to 0.75 (6s on 2700 kv). works great!
Hillarious comments from the keyboard warriors with no idea what they are talking about.
They see he is having some issues and are quick to point out he shouldn't be making video which is ridiculous.
Maybe try the supafly 3-4“ tune.?
Thanks. A few other people also mentioned that one too.
Tuned from BB for 4S, O3, 850mah
set dyn_idle_min_rpm = 42
set simplified_master_multiplier = 140
set simplified_i_gain = 70
set simplified_dmax_gain = 0
set simplified_feedforward_gain = 80
set simplified_pitch_d_gain = 90
set simplified_dterm_filter_multiplier = 120
set tpa_mode = PD
set tpa_rate = 70
What is your total take off weight?
The motors are a little too big for this build. The tune seem to lack D gain a little in order to compensate for the prop wash / wobbles.
love mine, flies like a 5inch with no sound. speedybee Mini stack and HDzero 550mah 6s. its amazing!!
Nice
That motor size is over kill on a 3.5 😂. I built the same frame with a dji caddx vista and 1404 motors . Its got plenty of power the aoi is a f7 with current beataflight. Stock tune and it flys amazing on a 4s 650mah Batt
I personally like the 1604 size for a 3.5 inch.
Have you tried the vx3? I got that one but ended up switching to Aos 3.5 due to mainly weight. The volador ones are pretty heavy and props in view started bugging me
I never tried that one though I heard a lot of people like that frame too.
Thanks for the review, Peace
Thanks for watching!
I just built a WS VX3.5 on Pacer 1604 on a SuperFly tune. Flies decent.
You're local to me if you want to try it out.
Thanks for your videos love them. It honestly looks like you started with a bad motor that took out the aio then the crash you changed the board and the motor took out the new one
After further investigation, I found out the first board killed the motor which then killed the 2nd board. It's interesting all the assumptions people have made from my video without actually testing the parts themselves.
The fact that we put up with that kind of curses reveals how fascinating this hobby really is. Or maybe how patient we are, but speaking for myself, I find the previous explanation a lot more plausible.
My dream set up is a tiny whoop, a 3.5 and a 5in. Love seeing the 3.5s.
Built this frame too, it is great. RCinpower motors, walksnail video, 20x20 Diatone stack, basic betaflight settings.
Great that you came up with the review, Albert! I'm just having the Volador 3.5" in my shopping cart, still looking at any reviews for the 3.5" as I'm comparing it to the DoMain 3.6". Great content as always!
NICE BROTHER I BUILD ALSO THIS 1 Analog version 3.5 and 3 inch SUB250 thanks for sharing
That is an expensive build, two boards up in smoke. I'm sorry to hear about this "cursed build." I'm glad you finally got the build finally put together. I enjoy your build and I appreciate your frankness regarding the road blocks you encountered along the way. Great build review.
I used the supafly 3/4 inch tune preset, mine flies awesome 👍
Hi Kim, can you try smaller motors like 1408 and see if you find any difference? Currently I run it with diatone 1408 motors 4100kv and it flys decent and thinking to swap with 1804 motors
This is a very interesting design... Especially with the 1804 motors. Sucks that the motor was defective on it's first flight!
Its possible the board was defective and smoked the motor first
It was the board that was defective causing the motor to partially die which caused the next board to fail. That's what it sounded like to me.
did you try to change the PWM in the ESC ?
running 48khz
@@AlbertKimTV maybe try 24, also make sure the camera screws dont touch the metal.
Blackbox tuning Volador 3.5 in 4S 750ma / Betaflight 4.4 / Mini stack speedybee F405 / Avatar 1S / Rcinpower 1804
simplified_master_multiplier = 115
set simplified_i_gain = 110
set simplified_d_gain = 85
set simplified_dmax_gain = 0
set simplified_feedforward_gain = 130
set simplified_pitch_d_gain = 110
set simplified_dterm_filter = OFF
set simplified_dterm_filter_multiplier = 140
set anti_gravity_gain = 150
set p_pitch = 54
set i_pitch = 106
set d_pitch = 36
set f_pitch = 186
set p_roll = 51
set i_roll = 101
set d_roll = 29
set f_roll = 179
set p_yaw = 51
set i_yaw = 101
set f_yaw = 179
set angle_level_strength = 100
set d_min_roll = 29
set d_min_pitch = 36
What battery are you using and what is the total take off weight?
With 4S 750 mAh R Line Tattu, all the tpu except the go pro one, 260 grammes
I've built some 3.5" frames (JM3.5) and got them under 250gr with 650mah 4s battery and 1505 3800kv motors . Extremely happy I went that way. They fly fantastic and for +6 minutes (while not sparing the throttle, cause I like speed and tricks 😉). My thoughts for this build, 1805 motors is overkill (way too heavy). But I agree with you that some builds can be painstaking when everything goes wrong
If you don't care about being under 250g definitely try out these 1804 motors. They fly amazing, very similar to a 5in. If you're goal is to be under 250g, I agree its on the heavy side.
I totally agree with you on that overkill motors I tried a 1603 set up much better performance on a 3.5 inch set up
Yeah, those things happen, Albert. 😕
I need to buy a new VTX for a build that I still couldn't fly because of that.
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I did a build on this frame 3.5 and I thought it was underpowered using 4S
I installed the Speedy Bee F4 stack use similar HGLRC motors 1804 my thoughts were that motor size might be too big
Maybe was going try 1603 ? I built a similar 3 inch build with using those size motors, and it worked way better.
Looks like a good platform.
Bad luck on the hardware issues Albert. I haven’t had many cursed builds per se but I have more than enough half finished builds looking at me day by day :)
These 3.5 quads are getting my attention. I’ve seen the way they fly, the description is a much more discreet 5” experience which is enticing.
Definitely try out the "Supafly" BF preset. I used it on my quadmula 3.5in with the same 1804 flyfish motors and it flew amazing. I need to try out a flyfish frame, their motors have been great so far
Isn't that one meant for a 5 inch?
@@frankcastillo8869he has one for a 3/4". Can't remember exactly what the preset is called but it works great on a 3.5"
My comment keeps disappearing lol. Supafly has a 3/4in preset and it works amazing on my 3.5. I didn't have to touch any PIDs, just loaded the preset
Frustrating story! I remember lots of issues the first time I tried to get into the hobby. Would be around the time of Naze32 fc's. I think I got one 2 minute flight in, and then left the hobby until more recently.
Building still sucks in 2024. One part is bad and you spend months diagnosing and spending money. That's why I like BNF's better. They test them at the factory before it goes out and it's up to them to make sure it works day one.
Hi Albert, i AM using the stock pid tune from BF 4.4, it flies really good
That was worse for me.
It almost looks like you are having gyro issues with this betafpv Aio
Looks like he should try a different tune. Gyro problems usually causes vibrations not wobbles.
Nice looking frame, reasonably priced.
3.5" is a fun size if you're not flying 5". If I hadn't already built a Grinderino, I would certainly check this frame out. I used RCinPower 1507 3800kv Smoox motors, its a ripper.
Builds that would be the death of me. Yep a couple, hardest to trouble shoot was a Kiss Ultra build. No built in blackbox on a new frame that had bad resonance issues. Chased that problem by replacing parts, fc esc, motors. The frame's new, can't be that right? . 😂
I use the exact same setup frame, Motors, and VTX but with a Speedeby Mini stack… I use the AOS Tune and have no wobbles at all, just slight prop wash wen I crank it up. I love this Setup.
Put the supafly 3 to 4 inch tune on it thats is the only tune that works the aos tune is garbage and use the 3.5inch props from HQ.