This is Why RAID 0 Makes Sense for Gamers
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- If you're building or setting up a gaming PC, this is my recommended storage configuration for saving you money and getting the most out of your hardware.
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"games that take up anywhere between 50 to a 100 GB"
COD: hold my beer
COD: 207 GB
edm1378 mfs incl. the entire world : 2PB
Also mfs : You gotta bump those numbers up
ARK: hold my whiskey
ARK: 304GB
With all DLC installed ARK is 435gb now
This channel is so underrated with great content never discussed on big channels. Especially explaining this raid 0
One thing I keep hearig people say about RAID0 is that if 1 drive of your array fails, you lose everything. Well if your single drive (JBOD) fails you also lose everything. Take the performance boost of RAID0.
@@AnimationByDylan If its steam games it dont really matter tbh
That is true. It's a non-issue though IMO when talking about using it for gaming. If a drive fails and I lose everything on the array so what? I can re-download those games whenever I want. As for saves, most games have cloud saves through steam, epic, GoG Galaxy etc etc. For those that don't I can just tell OneDrive to keep the folder where the saves are synced to my OneDrive. I used a RAID 0 array with the 2 HDD's I still have in my PC (main drive is a 2TB Samsung 980 Pro, plus a 1TB HP EX-920, and a 1TB WD Black SN750). Put the two 3 TB HDD's in RAID 0 which was really nice. I loved having it appear and function exactly like it's one ~6TB drive. And comparing benchmarks between then and now (again just running them normally for now) there is def a performance boost. It doesn't come close to matching an SSD of course, but basically doubled the sequential read and write speeds. I use the drives for playing older games that just don't benefit from being on an SSD because they still load instantly. And there is no downside. Again if one of the drives dies, there is nothing on the array that I can't just re-download. The only reason I don't have them in a RAID right now is I upgraded from an 8700K to a 7800X3D and just haven't done any looking into setting up a RAID array on Zen 5 (this is my first AMD CPU since the FX days). But I'll get around to it at some point.
I suppose the one downside would be for people with slower internet. Then again like I said I only use the array for older games, which of course tend to be pretty small compared to a modern release. Even then though fiber internet has been expanding like crazy the past ~2 years. I mean I live in Hot Springs, Arkansas and I have *two* fiber to the home ISP's to pick from plus gigabit cable. AT&T Fiber, a smaller FTTH ISP called HyperFiber. The cable co here is a small regional company "Resort TV Cable" (their internet service is branded Cablelynx). Good speeds (300/500/1 gigabit download, 20/30/50 Mbps upload). But their prices are a joke compared to the two fiber ISP's, data caps on every plan (unless you pay an extra $25 per month), the price nearly doubles after 12 months etc.
That is a Sata M.2 SSD not an NVME one
and i think i am the only one here that he notice it
This was very helpful. Thank you! Very informative
Building a new 3700X system next month ,using 2x 512Gb SX8200 Pro nvme drives in raid 0 and a 2Tb Intel 660p,with a couple of Seagate 2.5" 2Tb SATA SSD Firecuda's also in Raid 0. Have most of the parts now,waiting on a case I ordered and some custom cables for a Seasonic GX-750. Great video.
Holy fast storage Batman!
@@HoosierHardware how does this affect game load times? All I've been finding videos is comparing PCIE 4.0 to 3.0 and Sata SSD non-sequential read times from a single drive that all come out even. Does Raid 0 array combining the cache do anything for gaming ?
ill just do the safest part like having 1 ssd for picked games & programs while 1 hdd for "research purposes", some media files and games that i seldom play and keep .... cause im scared on the part "if one drive fail, all data will be gone"
and the part of redownloading games, not all countries have fast speed internet in their plans....
looks like in the end is... maybe ready for a backup i think....
If u have many SATA ports u can go 1SSD-NVM 128GB system 1 SSD games 1 HDD media/documents and 1 HDD for back up. Or use a cloud for documents it's hard to fill 15GB in google, you can pay for 100GB (it's 25$/y USD) then you can kick 1 HDD from a build.
Or go RAID 0+1 this is one of the more safe versions of RAID.
This is many ways to achievements good solutions u need just look!
That's what I do. I have 3 PCI-E NVME drives and two 3TB HDD's. I run the two HDD's in a RAID 0 array and use them exactly as you described. Media storage (anything important I keep synced to my OneDrive account), storing copies of some software/utilities I like to use, some drivers, "parking" large games if I want to free up some SSD space but it's a game I don't want to completely uninstall at that moment, and playing older games that just don't benefit from being on a SSD. And yes "research purposes".
I had a couple of 6TB HDDs in RAID 0 for like 4 or 5 years, I recently took them out and gave them to my Uncle, but felt like the benefit of RAID 0 for game load times was worth it, especially if you have new drives that likely won't fail, and even more especially if using SSDs which pretty much only fail if you damage them or have corrupt firmware like one of my Samsung SSDs did a couple years back
That is not a NVME SSD that is a PCIe or SATA m.2. The connector tells you that.
Yo bud... the SSD ya showing aint nvme... its a sata speed type SSD... =2 notches=
That's only an M.2 SATA. NVMe = PCIe 3.0 x4
I read this as *Why RAID makes 0 sense for gamers*
Me too. Maybe because I wish I would not need to buy this.
2:30 also NOT an NVME drive even if the description says so. you getting half the speed of a NVME drive with that chip.
I am from the future, and I am happy to report that drive prices per GB have gone down while the speed and size have gone up.
Thank you for saying this. The common response is "you'll lose your data with RAID 0." Um, we have this thing called cloud storage now. It's not 1980, folks.
True. It's still def worth keeping in mind though. But for gaming yeah, I don't see the issue. If a drive fails so what? I can re-download my games whenever.
I have a 28TB raid 10 setup. I have a UPS for data loss protection from a power cut (and UPS will guard against bad power). I just got it today and with it being 2nd hand (I believe it was from a debt recovery firm :)), I have the cables on order. I have 4 U7SAP140/WD140EMFZ, shucked from WD elements external. They have a large cache (500MB) which apparently is disabled under raid (system ram is used for caching as a shared pool).
I had trouble making a bootable thumbdrive so I took my boot 2.5in 850 evo out and put it in a sabrent 2.5in usb 3.0 enclosure, used macrium reflect (trial for the ability to clone specific partitions (and keep data partition intact).
I bought the external enclosure because I thought I could extract 1 of 2 SSDs from an old laptop but they were not even SATA ones.
Whoa! 28 TB raid 10? I hope that is for a company rather than a residential setup.
everybody gangsta til a drive fails
In search of help.
I feel like an idiot. I set my hard drives to raid but i dont think i did a clean format on each of them. Now it feels stuttery and when i hit the shut down button, the screen goes black but it turns right back on. I have a msi godlike x570, a samsung 990 pro 4tb, 980 1tb, and sabrent rocket 1tb
That drive you showed was SATA m.2 not NVME i think.
yep
Looks like a cool keyboard too man. What kind of keyboard is that? Nice video btw!
I run 2- 1TB SSD's in Raid 0 so I have a capacity of 2 TB's. I install a 4 or 6 TB standard HHD for all my Backup's & other Applications. I can install a lot of Games on the on the now 2 TB Raid config. I use a Cluster size of 128 that is best for Gaming, I've been running Raid 0 for many years & not really fearful of Data loss if I loose a drive. I would replace the SSD that went bad & reinstall Windows if need be, then restore all the Data I had using the last Backup I created on the 4 TB Drive.
for me raid 0 SSDs dont make any sense at all in 2021
if you want speed for games and apps get a 1TB NVME, no sata SSD in raid 0 can compete not even close, price are almost the same too nowadays and with a single 1TB nvme you get tons longer write endurance
for OS any cheap replaceable 256GB SSD will do the job and windows will hog it all up for background operations anyway especially those damn cached writes
then get 2x HDD for raid 0 for all the media files and to store all the downloaded "game installations...ahem"
raid 0 had always meant for HDDs because 1x HDD is too poop slow, this way you can have as much TBs as you like for cheap and its faster too when transfer files between all the NVME, SSD and HDDs for ISO installations, UHD playback, file downloads etc and hell you can even install games on it too, the fast loading types of course.
i just raided 2 x 2 TB = 3.63 TB will keep up with internet 400 mbps downloads hits 200 mbps writes on each card at same time while downloading
woah didn't know Justin Bartha from National Treasure had a RUclips channel
I did the same, got 2 960gb BX drivers, and a nvme for the OS
You need to backup you data anyway with a external big hdd, i ran 830 samsung in raid 0 for 5 years, ok but I backup 1 a month.
I had 2x 950 pro in raid 0 for 4, 1/2 years before 1 died of overheat, 3% warn out.
Good ssd are reliable, if in raid 0, or stand alone, you still need to backup data.
Well said. I use a similar setup, but instead 8X SSD's raid 0 for my game installs.
omg
@@cutty02 what? im using 8 HDD raid for big files, not games... so?
Only 8? Peasant.
Great video learned alot
As someone who used to boot off of 2 256gb sata SSD's in raid 0 for around a year (and stored a few games on the array too), I still wouldn't recommend SSD raid 0 (and NVMe Game storage), the reason why is that the extra speed is barely utilized by games and does almost nothing for better loading times. HDD raid 0 (2-5 drives) on the other hand is still cost effective and does show improvements over 1 HDD, to the point where your loading times could rival a sata SSD.
Lol, 2:09 that is a m.2 sata ssd not nvme
Nope. It's PCIe x2
Please just don't create confusion,I know it's pcie x2 but it's m.2 sata ssd you can just distinguish it from the nvme by the interface
@@karoa7196 you are correct. he should redo this video and include benchmark comparisons.
SSD for OS only
NVME for games
i do this because OS will hog down your NVME from performing at its full potential, do remember NVME only had huge numbers in the sequential, the 4k is still almost the same
when you have silly windows hogging down everything with tons of background operations its basically a crippled nvme
I lost internet connection once for 3 days. Couldn't pick up from where I was in a game because that data was on the cloud. Kept playing then when the connection came back, my current short game time over wrote the longer, near the end of the game, cloud save. Never again with the cloud.
you dumb man u know that
Current build will have 1 2.5" ssd 500GB, 2 2.5" raid hdd 1TB, 1 3.5" hdd 2TB, and 1 external 2.5" hdd 4TB via USB 3.1, the whole backlog of hdd and ssd forms except for the latest NVMe style which really makes everything I just mentioned a complete waste of extra electricity and dedicated wires, but with NVMe prices being what they are, and being raised AOL dial up 200Mhz as a teen, I suppose its nothing new to tolerate slowness when you're being cheap. You know I'm sure its a legitimate acronym, but just having admitted what hard drives I have and the lengths I go to to power them up, and link them in raid, and still be considered "inferior" to the newfangled SSD motherboard slotted harddrives, I guess comfily affording all that NVMe tech at 7.5 TB really does make a person looking who worked for that capacity and slight speed boost to "Envy Me", the me being someone who just got 7.5TB all without the antiquated methods, I don't think that name was just an accidental coincidence anymore.
Yeah I don't think you know what you're doing. If you're 84 and I'm 75 even I know NAS storage is where the TB's should be archived on. Did Raid 0 for gaming make a big difference with combining cache ?
Is secondary storage worth it or should I just get 1tb storage for the normal storage
Nice video. I had ran my pc with a raid 0 array. The configuration for that setup is as follows. 2 x
Micron M4 512-gb sata-iii ssd's ( 2.5" ). The Syba dual slot 2.5" Sata-III Raid PCIE card. The M4's
were setup in raid-0 through the sata-iii raid controller. ( Marvel Chipset ). That has been replaced by a single 1TB Samsung 970 Evo NVME M.2 as my only drive. The Raided M4 's are now my physical back-up. I clone to them about once a month , maybe a little more if a major update to windows or the AMD Radeon Drivers.
does raid 0 affect game load times ?
Raid 0 is not redundant. So you're still screwed when a disk fails
@@Matrix27594 No,
if his main drive fails, he has the raid 0 as a backup.
If his raid 0 fails or one of the drives on it, he still has his data on his main drive.
Both failing at the same time is a very low probability.
And if they fail both at the same time, he is still able to recover some data.
I am as of this moment going all solid state. I have a SATA 480 GB boot drive. 3 RAID 5 M.2 onboard 250GB 960 EVO NVMe drives, an ASUS Hyper M.2 16 PCIe card with 4 500 GB 970 EVO Plus NVMe sticks configured in RAID 5. In total I have 3 Terabytes of solid state storage. I am going post rust age! So far I am getting over 6GB/s on my 3 drive RAID. Should hit 8 with the four drive RAID since the drives themselves are faster. I was going to donate my old HDD to my roomate, but she just bought 4 Kingston SSDs and is going post rust herself for under $130. I have to say the quality of life difference with fast storage is hard to quantify.
Overkill solution....I love it!
Great explanation!
I have an alienware aurora r3 i7 2600k 3.4ghz quad with hyperthreading. I use to corsair 256gb SSD drives in raid 0 as my boot drive. I also use to 1tb traditional hard drives in raid 0 for my games and programs. I get about 550mbps on my boot drive and about 350mbps on my game drive.
I keep the way Im going then I dont have a nvm it has a slot but then again Im running a sata solid state drive and regular sata hard drive and it has a 3 tb hard drive and solid state 500 gig
You should explain the huge differences in read and write speeds between the cheap junk you are pushing and quality drives.
In addition, I just watched a game load time bench video that showed basically no gains between 1 ssd and 2 ssd in raid 0.
ruclips.net/video/SixyHRYqDB8/видео.html
This is EXACTLY what I was looking for! I had only seen comparison videos showing PCIE 4.0 have no benefit for game loading of Sata. I was THIS close to destroy my MAME arcade to gut it's samsung drive to raid this. Not even worth the effort.
SATA 3 is limited to 6Gb/s(6 gigabits=600mb/s). So even if both SSD in RAID 0 is transferring 1000mb/s you would not get the benefits in speed due to that limit unless you get a SAS controller card for hardware RAID. SAS 3 is rated at 12Gb/s and SAS 4 24Gb/s. The SCSI/ SAS interface is still superior the SATA.
I have a Alienware laptop I primarily use for gaming. It has two 1tb 2280 ssds set up in Raid 0 and one 512 gb 2230 ssd. I've already purchased two 2TB Firecuda ssds to replace the two 1tbs already installed. Now I'm trying to figure out should I keep the default raid 0 configuration or reconfigure the laptop and separate the three drives. Is the raid 0 more beneficial in my case that I'm not worried about cost effectiveness.
My system has:
120GB Old SSD for Windows.
160GB Old HDD for User Files and Programs.
2x1TB HDDs in RAID 0 for Games.
640GB USB External HDD for important files.
Edit:
Old 160GB HDD stopped working.
So I have disabled the RAID so I can use the 2 1TB drives separately. :(
Thanks. Very useful information. ....I can not believe only 4.2k people watched this video. Considering how many people are moaning about loading time in game and windows. And they still using HDD for both windows and games.
4x240gb 850 evo's raid0
one game these days its 100 gb...........also have that evo life 2x +2x
Why on earth is your monitor wiggling
Chinese junk
The one thing that I should mention is, you need really good storage controllers to handle RAID 0, if you have a SSD that taps out one channels bandwidth, you're not going to get twice or three times the amount of throughput through the other channels, you'd think so but that's sadly not how most PC hardware and the software drivers are designed. Look for LSI Logic storage controllers. Yes, they do make NVME drive controllers that can boot via the PCI-e slot.
I was actually considering putting 2 nvme's of either both 1 TB or 2 TB in raid 0 however only 1 of the 2 m2 slots on itx has a heatsink ... So yeah need to think this trough a bit carefully.
waste of time....an 8 second bootup vs. 8.5 seconds? Games still take 1 minute to launch....a single SATA SSD or 4 NVMEs in RAID 0....
@@mdd1963 Tbh nvme is fairly cheap these days but raid is off the planning.
This guy is confused. The drive he is holding and looking at on amazon are not NVME drives they are SATA
im now running a 240gb sata ssd and 2x500gb seagate hdd's in RAID 0 :)
im running a 256gb nvme for windows and 4x 250gb sata ssd in raid 0 for games and nonvaluable information
that nvme looks like crap lol
nvme thesedays is like 5000mbps
its still crap for that year when the video is uploaded tbh
my nvme bought in 2019 is 3500mbps already
raid 0 is for HDD only it dont make any sense for SSD imo
It's because it's a SATA M.2 drive. Not a PCI-E NVME SSD.
Is that a NC State hoodie??
Why is the mic so huge?
It really isn't for a high quality mic. Many streamers, podcasters etc use similar sized mic's. Most of them have them on a arm though.
So I used to use RAID 10 but still had to back up stuff to be safe. However, today my Samsun single SSD's are, or feel as snappy in single as old HDD SATA-III RAID-10. But now I'm on SAS-III 10Gb/s so I wanna use SSD in RAID-0 but What is a current good back up app today either onboard or LAN connected?
I have to ask, with every computer now coming with a Micro ATX is it even possible to set up a RAID 5? Those that don't know in RAID 5 you can remove any hard drive and it doesn't FUBAR the operation system,
Of course. Micro ATX has gotten pretty popular for sure. But there is no shortage of ATX boards, and huge cases that can hold 5+ HDD's and then some. Quite a large selection when it comes to PC parts.
Can someone please help . I’m still not sure what a raid is for . I bought a pc recently and it says it has an on board raid controller . It has a 256 SSD. I’m a gamer so this isn’t a enough . So with this raid can I simply just add another SSD and have good performance . I need Barney style explanation haha this is new to me .
I heard when you raid it stores your data on each drive. So you don't get combined amount of storage its just faster?
It depends which RAID you're using. There are several different RAID setups with different goals. Some are for performance while some are for redundancy, and some mix and match goals.
@@HoosierHardware thank you. Its hard to get questions answered about this stuff.
I have two 2TB M.2 SSD drives set up in a RAID 1 array on my system. I'm a writer and need the redundancy over speed.
Yep, I'd say so. Out of curiosity, do you use a web-based backup system too (Google Drive, etc.)?
@@HoosierHardware No, my DSL internet connection is too slow for that to be practical.
I'm using a 3TB hard drive and a 256GB SSD with StoreMI. And so it's using 2GB of my ram to help speed up things also.
And? This video specifically is talking about using RAID 0 for games. Which you can just re-download.
Its Not an Nvme drive
Cody Rhodes Son.
Great for hackers also!
What if i use ssd for windows install. And 2x nvme in raid 0 for games. That is smarter?
I think so. You can always re-download your games. And if the array fails you don't have to clean install Windows etc.
will raid 0 increase load times in games as compared to a single ssd?
Raid 0 should lower load times because the drive array is faster than one standard drive. That said, gains aren't huge by going to a raid 0 array.
@@HoosierHardware but how much of a gain ? Videos comparing the superfast busline of PCIE 4.0 NVME to older 3.0 or even Sata are within a second difference. The paired caching is what has me really curious.
I'm curious if raid0 would increase swap memory speed.
did you research more on that? This new build of mine has me losing 2 Sata connectors of my storage drives. I understand the PCIE 4.0 offers no advantage for decompressing game speeds, but had my mind on what you were thinking using a partition as a cache pagefile. I really can't find any relevant information on Raid 0 benchmarks, only people comparing game load times of pcie 3, 4, and ssd without considering raid cache.
@@Paperclown I read somewhere that swapping is not a good idea with SSDs, mainly because it decreases the lifespan of the drive but I still haven't found out there are any speed benefits. The best thing you can do is to upgrade your RAM, but it's obviously more expensive.
@@pathwayc This was the only relevant video I could find comparing Raid 0 performance. Great one. but little value. Think I'm going to do it anyway since I have a spare samsung evo anyway. Just going to gut the other machine for it.
"2x SATA SSD's in RAID 0 vs 1x NVMe M.2 SSD | Games Loading Test"
ruclips.net/video/SixyHRYqDB8/видео.html
So theres a risk then, if u join them all together and one fails ur completely fucked🤔
If you put data on it that isn't backed up anywhere else than yeah. But for gaming specifically, you can just re-download your games if it happens. Hence why there are so many dif types of RAID. RAID 0 is all about performance, if you want redundancy then obviously RAID 0 isn't a good choice at all.
I have 2 1tb ssd in rade 0 on my pc I have 3 2GB hdds in my pc 2 of them r in rade 0 the other one is a back up of all my shit on my ssds and then I have a server that I back that up to
@What I have an 8 HDD raid0 at total of 4TB (500GB each) and it runs at about 800mb/s read and 500mb/s write.
The more drives you add to a raid0, it *can* get faster. But let's say you have two 500GB HDD's each at 200mb/s.
If you put both in a raid0, you will aproximately get around 300-350mb/s.
But it's important to remember, that this depends all on the specific drives.
I have 2 1T SSD's in Raid0 for storage and keep all my games there. When I'm playing a game I transfer it to my 1TB m2 boot drive. It just takes a few seconds cause it's crazy fast.
Ahahahahah
6x raid zero 128 gig 840 pro drives used from ebay.
16 gig primocache
Crushes everything
lord, so many points of failure tho. 6x as likely to lose the data
@@WebbSM He should of just done Raid 10 at that point.
Crazy how fast tech is still advancing. 6x 128 GB = about 700-750GB. My main drive is a 2TB Samsung 980 Pro (NVM-E PCI-E 4.0) I got for $130 on Newegg. And two other PCI-E 3.0 1TB drives. And 32 GB of RAM is becoming the norm now for gaming.
Yep very true. I run 2- 1 TB Velociraptor HDD's in Raid 0 Array. They run at 10,000 rpm each. they are the fastest Mechanical HDD's on the Planet. I save Backup's on another internal 4 TB HDD. Using Raid 0 Array with a Cluster size of 128 is recommended for Gaming. My System Base Sore Rating in Win 7 is 6.5. All other scores are 7.9 & this is without using an SSD to Boot Windows. Be sure to create a Bootable repair CD or DVD in case one HDD fails & you loose your Data.. You will need to load in the Raid Driver in order to see your saved Backups as you progress with the restore program. Easy to do when you know what to do :)
Vintage HDD's nice got them back in the days 😎
God bless you!
Im running raid 0 as of a few days ato i actually went to best buy and was gonna get a 1tb evo 860 ssd to go along aide my 500gb nvme black ssd thats really fast when i spotted a 500gb nvme drive for 10 bucks less then the regular ssd thats always on sale so i grabbed the wd black nvme that raids with mine and set uo was easy had to reformat windows but so far its pretty snappy
What about no raid?
In addition, 2 old school raid 0 drives are only slightly slower than 1 cheap ssd and have a lot more storage for the money as per this test. ruclips.net/video/NV_ucF-4dr0/видео.html
So in my opinion, instead of looking at super cheap ssd, buy one quality m.2 like a Samsung evo pcie3 for your boot drive. It is many times faster than all the drives you looked at, and run 2 quality HDd drives in raid0 and get more storage for the money.
Sorry, your recommendations of cheap low quality drives for gamers that dont really offer gains are wrong.
I have 128 GB 😂
There are so many untruths in this video
So please can you tell me how to install 3 nvme drives on my pc? , u mentioned 128 gb for operating system and 2 raid 0 500 gbs.
Dude calling an sss an nvme drive telling bs “facts”
Lower.
Half of the video is about SSDs. Annoying AF
Does raid actually do anything in real world scenarios? Would you ever really notice it in gaming or any other apps or use of internet? 128gig ssd what is the point of buying something like this. Am I the only one who's umm homework folder see's this as a joke. Games are huge now also. I can only see minimum of 2tb if you don't have cash imo. Am I also the only one who has movies they back up. Then there is emulators that I just have that have millions of games on them. This my real reason I'm looking into raid to make sure if a hard drive fails. I do not want to have to re download them all and set them all up again. While the dummies are buying consoles there are others already running Nintendo Switch games on pc. More games they release more space lost on hard drives. I mean even if you have a pos 1660 super you can run switch games. If all this work just leads to like 1 second less in a loading screen imo not worth it. I just want the safety of a backup hard drive for important files.