How Much do Japanese Animators Get Paid??
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"you don't live, you survive." That's scared the shit out of me
@@thotslayer9914 Japan is capitalist? I guess they are
@@thotslayer9914 That's mostly because people let themselves get taken advantage of by the companies.
@@nexustom5823 But its also in the capitalist Modus Operandi that Investing in Education + investing in especialization = should lead to higher pay. This man got the highest paying jobs he could get, had to work in an unhealthy pace and still could barely survive. If you don't see anything wrong here, that's a shame
@@georgethemonkeydrummer5598 very much so lol
@@thotslayer9914 Kinda late on the welcome there, friend. Late capitalism, as a real classification and not a buzzword, has been a thing since the 1800s. And being poor has sucked since time immemorial, who woulda thunk?
The fact that people harass animators when they work under such stesssful and poor conditions to bring us our faviorte shows is upsetting...
AOT fanatics are a special kind of stupid aren't they? (not all, but ya know)
@@akou12 yeah most people are pretty nice within the AOT community but damn it's depressing going twitter and reddit and seeing all the hate...
Animators should stream to get paid from fans
@@cosmiclight6633 Japan is the opposite of America when it comes to tipping. However there’s one anime studio that is on Patreon but I can’t remember by name.
@@z1novas i mean individual animators not companies
And then this people have to endure the bullcraapp that is twitter from angry little kids that have never work in their life. Poor animators man, the need more recognition.
I feel sorry for the animator and the haters are such a douch
Yeah kinda sorry for the animators but rest assure, most japanese can't read english hate posts
@@sugar-lx1jz Google translate my guy
@@ranksblex336 well yes but
1. they'll mainly send them throw studio acc which is not the animators
2. like they are gonna translate all those hate comments and read them?
and not all of them are all hate speech
3. throw my history following japapnese twitter they don't really interact much with english speakers
@@sugar-lx1jz Well your right although if you're gonna go on twitter get ready to receive hate
japan really needs to regulate this industry, it's one of their big assets for soft power yet the people in charge of creating it are practically working like slaves
Xd
That’s *normal* work culture in Japan. You think this shit only happens to those who work only in the animation industry?
@@terrencenoran3233 yeah so what?
@@terrencenoran3233 another problem is not every studio has the money to do it, there are very few. for example. wit studio is actually a small studio with a handful of staff.
The thing is, Japan economy is not in a healthy state since the 90s and still stagnant even today, and it's frustrated me how often this issue overlook whenever people talking about low salary in an animation studio or Japanese working condition in general, just take a look at the people in the comment how they asking to pay more the artist when it's not easy to just give them more money while putting their company at the risk of bankruptcy.
it's very obvious how regulation or union is not gonna change anything until the state of japan's economy is improving.
His accent in English feels like a mixture of French and Japanese.
Never thought such a combination would even exist.
He is french-japanese 🤣
@@Am_L1 Yeah figure, basically my point here XD
It's just a first for me
france is (really) big in manga so it make way more sens than it seem
@@warlis4767yeah i thought so 🤣 there are all sorts of ethnicities in France btw 😅😅
@@Am_L1 Technically, I'm partly French to begin with even though I don't have any French ethnicity.
I'm Lebanese, and French is very common in my country (basically my country was colonized by France).
Though my French is 90% dead in me. Maybe 95%.
Bruuh, the fact that one of the Dream Jobs in Japan for an artist have such an underwhelming outcome. Pls pay them more...
They would if they could
From what I’ve heard Japan just seems like a worse version of the u.s, with better tourism spots.
@@bigsmall2842 in some places yes but others no like for example the Japanese education system is one of the best in the world and the United States education system in horrible. Another thing is that Japan is a MUCH healthier than the average United States citizen another thing that Japan is very clean and United States is so disgusting like New York City is SOO Dirty compare to Japan. Also Japan is very beautiful.
@@freddiejimenez7995 when it comes to health, it’s honestly just these companies prying off undisciplined people(in America). Like I honestly think it’s the culture of japan which allows them to be healthier, cuz I feel like if you take the average American and throw them into Japan they’ll still eat like a cow. I moved to the u.s and I only home cook and rarely eat out, it’s just a lot of the people out here are lazy. Our education is seriously lacking though.
@@freddiejimenez7995 It's the best? To do what exactly with it after it's done? They just teach people not to think and follow orders, that's not really good education. Then everyone is expected to work 12h a day.
This is honestly so sad, we need to pay these artists properly
There are too many artists willing to be exploited just for the opportunity to do their dream job for a living. Many artists aren't willing to fight for their rights or unionize.
That's why I think anime shouldn't be dubbed... those money can be used to pay these animators a bit more... voice actors/actresses can get a job for video games or somethin'
@@otame4771 not how that works man...
@@otame4771 you don't seem to understand how the industry works lol.
@@otame4771 Dub voice actors have nothing to do with animators lol? Animators have to reside usually in tokyo and have to live by the wage the company gives. While dub voice actors can sit at home from the (US/whatever country) getting paid at least 69,000 per year if you're mid level and just say the lines written to them. Dont get me wrong voice actors are great and theres really hard working ones but none of them have to do half of what an animator does
Is it just me that thinks the animator guy has a really smooth voice.
He should start an ASMR channel lmao
His accent is like kind of French and Japanese at the same time or is it just me?
@@steep9695 Well he is French and Japanese that's why.
French is the language of love.
He's Handsome Ngl
This is the saddest thing I’ve ever heard do y’all know how much money they make off them #PayTheAnimators
They should.
Could those costs be offset by, Japanese animation companies expanding in international markets (which is in their hands to change) and a bigger marketing budget.
Things like the general state of Japaneses economy (which is not in their hands) and cost of living is not in their hands.
Hoping that streaming would lead to more sales for the companies... and it would trickle down to the animators. Doesn't look good. :/
I think it's not as simple as that, I heard that Yoh Yoshinari was once offered above average pay once and turned it down, as he felt that he couldn't create anything that was worth that much.
many anime do end up losing money though
@@theniii There is something more going on.
@@bittertea it's because of the streaming services. They don't put money back into the anime they stream. They mostly only make money off of people buying dvds and merch
This is why KyoAni is hold in higher regard. They actually pay their animators a proper wage
I also heard they have dorm
But sadly they got burned by Light novel arsonist
@@razzlindazzle Yeah, kyoani has a distinctive business model where they keep their workers under better conditions and rely on permanent staff. And I've heard that kyoani doesn't spend as much money as one would assume, since they keep their machine well oiled rather than being the massive chaos that most studios are.
also to add even more context to the fcvkery that mappa staff had to go through:
- so s4 was so rushed at the push of kodansha and nhk japan, as they wanted the season out asap to keep up the hype, and not have a s2 on their hands again.
- wit wanted out since s3 as theyre actually a small studio, the workload for s4 trumped everything from previews seasons combined *if u read the manga you know why* also bc wit had other anime scheduled before s4 thus it would have taken no joke another 4-5 years to make it
- thus kodansha and nhk japan sent a callout to other studios to replace wit. absolutly every single one of them refused as they were already full with pre-planned schedules and again, it would have taken years to do
- mappa was the only studio who said "maybe". then they took it, reluctantly.
- mappa had to scramble for a good animation team and directors and most of the good ones per say were already working on jujutsu kaisen
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so now
1. an anime usually has around 1 year to a year and a half of production. s4 had 9 months. *they were also set to release it in summer and got delayed bc it was just not possible*
2. a normalish anime requiers around 3k frames per season. aot needs that per episode. even more. especially w s4
3. they decided to use outsourced cgi titans as opposed to drawing them bc it takes them waaay less time to do. all they do it tweak the outsourced cgi to fit the anime.
4. they HAD to resort to cgi titans bc the humungus amount of titan fights and work needed for s4 outdo all the other seasons combined *and mappa even so did their best, and every single still frame of a titan or very short scenes, are 2d drawn*
5. around october or so, interviews came out of the animation directorsaying that he was dumped on this anime, when he already had some other work, and made to do it.
considering all of this, this season should have been horrendous. everything was pointing to everything going wrong and mappa still somehow by the will of god made it look amazing, and the cgi is literallt the best cgi i've ever seen in an anime, and most of the times, the cgi was absolutly seamless. mappa absolutly, broke their backs to give us a worthy s4 with amazing animation.
some of us who knew already how the animation industry works were extremly worried over the time crunch the animators had, and were praying to god that theyre fine. so imagine all this sht, and then you add harrassment online onto it. for the love of god.
also tbh no one is to blame here, if you really want to blame someone, blame kodansha and nhk japan, but at the same time, not even they are 100% to blame? them wanting the season out asap to keep up hype w it being the last season and not have a s2 on their hands is not wrong either.
also they had only 9 months bc as with the rest of the studios, mappa already had their schedules full, with jjk and future animes, its just that they were the least full full out of everyone.
I sense an argument starting here bruh
@@professionalprocrastinator4397 why?
@@liynnewhenever this topic comes up in the Aot fan base, there will always be an argument
@@professionalprocrastinator4397 if you look the comment is 2 weeks old, so no argument, also i just provided info and facts, so why there should be an argument
@@liynne I’m actually surprised that there is no argument yet
And this is a message to all twitter dudes who started ranting about cgi in aot
AND WOMEN don’t forget about them
i mean cmon the cgi is pretty bad in some scenes in aot season 4 and theres nothing wrong with ranting about something
@@professionaltable7504 bruh... Wit studio needed a whole fucking 3 MONTHS to make Levi vs zeke fight, while Mappa had 6 to make 16 episodes , also if mappa didnt took the adaptation another studio will adapt and will give u nanatsu no taizai 2.0
@@Ulquiorra_Cifer wait, is it 3 months or 5 months?? Some people say it’s 5 months to make that scenes
@@professionaltable7504 it appears you can't appreciate anything these guys go through ay
0:41 - *"PER FRAME"* ?!!
It takes at least 20-60 minutes to finish a well-done Animation frame depending on an individual's skill.
So its like they're being paid 4-6 euros per hour.
That is unbelievably punishing, and that's just an in-betweener.
Lmao better off working at a convenience store if its for the monet
@@choppa6506 well if only japan had ubi...
In my country minimal wage is 2,5 Euro and its poor country.
Passion job though
Rip. If I was a person drawing one frame, I would probably make only $2.56 or $0 per day cause I draw so slow ._.
Seriously , Japanese Studio need to increase the Japanese Animator salary , or if they don't want to , Give them services like a place to refreshing so that no one of them is stressed.
Boss: If you don't like it, leave.
Workers: A'ight fam. Say no more, boss
Also workers: *(Leave on the spot)*
Boss: 👁️👄👁️
@@jackieronaldwayerston6723 Yeah, not very likely to happen in Japan with their brainwashed workers that fear their bosses.
@@Kuroganemk2 its sad cuz dats wat would actually happened but as u said they’re brainwashed that they fear their bosses
@@Kuroganemk2 It's more that if they were to go on strike/quit it would make finding another job EXTREMELY difficult. Having any sort of gap on your work resume might as well be a death sentence in Japan
@@jackieronaldwayerston6723 That don’t work in Japan.
the fact that is probably old men in suits who probably don't even watch anime who get the most profit in the anime industry is really sad. animators deserve way better, not to talk that mappa was really pressured in making aot in short time period bc these dudes in power wanted to make sure the final season did not get delayed. i even saw one screenshot of stream with one of the workers who really look very tired and you could see on his eyes, and mfs still harass them on twitter.
this remind me of the early days of western animation, high stress, long hours, low salary with very high suicide rate, so much that they called it widow-maker industry
Are you talking about back when people worked for months on a 8 minute theatrical cartoon and earned a decent living? I think the only people getting slave wages were the Cel washers.
I love Connor's point of animations being specialized work yet the guy cleaning toilets probably gets paid more
"You have to draw more so that you can have enough money to eat a meal."
Damn animators have it tough.
This should make mappa haters regret there words it’s probably the same for there animators and they on a time schedule
Imagine going to college for four years to get connections only to be both overworked and underpaid for a decade until you develop enough reputation or skills to actually negotiate. No shit the industry have a lack of animators if that’s the environment they’re given in like 80-90% of the studios.
Short Answer: *Not enough*
LMAO we really do be some random dudes on the internet with the same pic
this guy has been such a great guest.
loved it
i dont know why but their water/drinking cups remind me of babies sippy cups
its cute
It looks like that to me all the time and I laugh every time
Pretty sure those are protein shakers, at least that's what they look like
I just noticed it because of you.
Gfuel Sponsorship...
Means during the podcast they HAVE to drink Gfuel from Gfuels own shakers thats how it works.
They get paid for animating per frame? Shouldn't it be per hr or yr or something wtf
So that means if they are hired for let's say for in between frames, there will be only about 10. Which arent key frames so that means they would only be paid a small amount. Kinda crazy but so awesome to hear from an animator himself.
@@breakops5339 yikes. IM suprised there's any animators working in Japan.
Being paid piecemeal is actually extremely common in japan. Not just in animation. There are many factory workers and laborers that get paid by like....number of shoe soles sewn in, number of SD cards sorted, etc.
American animators can also get paid by frame, but being paid by hour is more common(the work pipeline is a lot different from Japan's). Either way, the industry standard is 12-24 frames per hour, or about one second of animation per hour worked.
Eh, still beats doing newspaper delivery pay wise....
But what the fuck, this is a sad revelation.
I do feel guilty sometimes when I pirate anime but I lack money so I don’t really have much of a choice
Even us turtles don't have much of a choice 😔
Don't. Don't feel guilty bro. You appreciate the art and passion and that's enough.
@@TurtleChad1 I'm 14 and this is deep
@@sannidhyaawasthi lol no it's not
You have the choice to watch crunchyroll with ads
Executives: "We'll pay you $3 per frame."
Yutaka Nakamura: "Aight, let me bankrupt you real quick."
Impact frames go brrrrrr
impact frame are 1 s so that all frame i mean 24 frmae and for just 1sec and 24x3=72dollar for the impact frame
Please bear in mind that most anime studios are piss-poor themselves, so its not like they absolutely dont want to pay and more like thay can not.
@@clatsys2376 bro, even in the wealthiest companies there are shitscrapers
Kyoto animation is the only studio that pays wages,i hope that they recover soon
That's a myth. All studios pay monthly stipends to their employees. It's just that KyoAni only employees in house animators and the other studios go with a mixture of in house and freelance animators.
@@anotheryoutubeuser Doesn't Ufotable use that model as well?
Funny, in the philippines small companies bid for the lowest price to get projects. Some averaging to 6 dollars per second on digital 2D animation. Yikes, gotta grind em gears to get enough, but compared to cost of living in japan I guess that 1 minute a month could support A person.
It makes me wonder the difference in pay for 3D animation - I'd argue it's much easier as the models are already there and rigging is the only one you need to modify per frame.
I know you're referring to Anime 3D animation. But I work in 3D/ Visual Effects Production on commercials, TV and Movies and I have to say the pay is pretty solid. I'd assume the pay in Japan is similar to the west.
@@Samirxkhan It's kinda sad but the practicality of it all really shows why 3D animation is more viable now and rarely we see 2D especially for big studios.
I think Studio Orange (my fav 3d animations) uses mocap with their voice actors and then have animators correct any errors. Sounds like these animators could have poor conditions too 🤔
As a 3d animator its about the same difficulty if not slightly harder
@@Samirxkhan When I was job hunting in Japan (Kyoto, Osaka, Tokyo), junior 3D animators' wages were pretty much around 2,500,000 yen per year (~CA$25,000 or ~US$18,000/year) for a full-time job with 20 hours of overtime expected and included in that salary (and then only if you go over 20 hours of overtime in a month they will pay you the additional hours in overtime wage).
Some job offers were paying ~ 1,500 yen/hour...
Also, most people only have 10 days of paid time off on their first year working at a company. 😅
i dont feel bad about myself anymore for wanting to be a toilet cleaner in an anime studio in japan, i still stand on that statement.
I'm working in a
printing industry as a graphic designer and I can't imagine getting payed for numbers of designs I do instead of work time hours. Some designs could be done in 10 mins while some of them takes days ... that's crazy.
Concept artists, storyboards, key frames, and backgrounds get paid better. The abysmal pay really only applies to inbetweeners, ie the guys that have tons of workload but not much to think about so they thought paying them per page would actually be decent. Would be true if it's something like family guy or simpsons, easy to draw not too much details, but anime nowadays is high quality.
damn, furry artist can get paid more with animation commissions then 2 bucks per frame
🗿 lmaoooo
Life is really unfair goddamn
Drawing porn is usually the fastest way to making easy money if you are an artist.
So true, don't get me wrong, I can't drawn for shit but still, I saw some uglyass lewd art for which Patreon were opened up.
Porn is almost definitely a more profitable job. As long as you receive commissions semi regularly, you can earn quite a bit (at least for an artist). At least more than an animator based on what he said
You can already tell he's underpaid from the thumbnail
This is why I'm ok with filler episodes. I was defiantly aware of this mess and most people too immature to understand that they may be a waste of your time but animators need to eat too. That's rough mate.
i think the change that if happening now is good. have you noticed animes today come out in seasons and are no longer for the most part weekly? this way it gives more time to manga to progress, filler episodes are no longer needed *for the most part*, and the pressure of making it weekly is also gone. the weekly anime that have stuck are those older ones who started as weekly *ex one piece*
@@liynne That's good to know. My thoughts definitely gone towards the older big three and not really what's out now. I only watch a few anime (3 at the moment.) Non too mainstream.
This made me respect the animators more then ever 😅😍😭🤧
I am an animator.. I am learning Japanese to get a job in japan in anime industry
But this really demotivated me..
I feel like giving up on my dream to come to japan and work as an animator
No matter how one tries to justify this, this is not unacceptable and should not even be legal let alone the standard most Japanese animators work around
they're such important part of these shows...how is it that it's kinda accepted they don't pay them more?
work with passion or don't work at all.
@Rash123 what a shitty take. Did you watch the video?
@@sugarboy4280 He did and he's right. ALL the japanese or any foreigner working in a japanese animation has said it over and over; they work for their passion, not for the money. This is why you always hear the veterans deterring the young artists to not take this job unless you're to die for it, LITERALLY.
I often hear that animators and starting voice actors that live alone or in a share house, they often than not take part-time jobs in fast food or convenience stores.
@@leemay3097 Of course they're passionate about their job, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve to live in DECENCY??
@@leemay3097 It's a honorable mentality, sure, but it shouldn't be this punishing to pursue a specialized job.
This is like telling slaves that they need to work with passion, unless they won't receive food.
and the haters still gonna say "its their job, they should do it well"...that aint really a good reason for them to harass animators, smh
I don't see anyone here that are blaming the Production Committees, even if they are the number one reason why the Animator' salary being totally low
I'm surprised he even talked about it. Despite knowing how hard it is, people in Japan rarely talk about money.
Also, can you imagine? it's a hard crunch day, you end up only working on 3 complicated frames with some re-takes. You're leaving with just 4$ after tax. For the whole day.
I've never heard a mixture of a French and Japanese accent before
Ego ga wakarimasen
This underpaid problem of animators needs to solve. Anime is like the goldmine of Japan so animators should be paid properly!
3:49 how much g-fuel does this man drink?
Enough to be a true gamer.
This is why I quit my dream years ago. Kick a trash can find a starving artist. That's what they told me when I was a kid and it's still true.
It’s quite saddening that some people would harass animators in bad conditions and low pay for not releasing a episode in time, delaying the episode due to things like a earthquake, or just making animation for a episode the fans don’t like. But when they release something with good animation, a majority of the “fans” would ignore them.
Yeah this is just stupid. I wonder if the animators at ufotable saw any of that money the KnY movie raked in beyond their base pay rate. I doubt it. Prolly all went to lining Shueisha's already deep pockets
Honestly if Ufotable committed tax evasion in order to pay their staff better then they can commit all the tax evasion they want
@@clementgoh9270 Well the tax evasion was with the multiple cafes they have around japan and south korea. Nothing to do with the actual studio.
Doubt it. I thought they had more staff and better production times, not really better salary per person, could be wrong though.
1:57 did you insert a french translate voice for "fifty"? lmao
Ahahah just noticed that ! It seems to be the case lol !
To put things in a solid number, the average salary for animators in Japan is around $9-10k per YEAR and it really doesn't increase very much if you go higher in the company, which probably won't happen anyway. I get it for some small, indie studios releasing one shot shows that aren't crazy popular, but these bigger studios can absolutely afford to pay them better. Wages aren't low by necessity. They never are.
Honestly they deserve so much like animating isn't easy at all .
Japan is expensive
The competition is tough
Idk if you will even make it to Japan
And parents is ANOTHER thing...
As much as I love anime and would love to learn how to animate, I would never take a job as an animator in Japan because of how brutal the life
This is messed up that their passion is exploited yet these companies make billions in merchandise
Me:Oh my god the animators should be paid way more #paytheanimators
Also me 2 seconds later:aight let’s load up animedao my favorite illegal site and watch some anime.
Well it's not like they'll get paid more if you watch anime on a legal streaming service, there's really not much we can do as overseas anime viewers besides hashtags or whatever imo
Mauro André Vacca technically if we watch it in Netflix or crunchy roll or Hulu or wat ever the studio will be getting more money to pay more to their employees.
@@ieatpineapples9742I guess maybe in theory, but in practice I really doubt the money made that way reaches the animators, I think the culture on the anime industry should change first so animators get paid what they deserve and it's not based on how many frames you do (which makes little sense when some frames take so much more work and time than others and they still get paid the same amount)
@@ieatpineapples9742 technically it doesn't. animators aren't privy to bonuses and the such. It's literally a cut and dry contract, you get paid to animate this frame and that's it. Any money brought in are dispersed to line the pockets of the execs first and foremost and then funnel some money back into the studio to run the next project while still paying the same.
Sounds like all these animators are basically freelancers or short-term contract work that locks them in a rate with zero incentives expect to say "I worked on X at Y" to keep landing more work for the same pay to just survive barely.
It’s okay if you watch it on illegal sites.
TBH even if animator’s in Japan are paid like 3 times of what they are paid right now, the anime will still be profitable. You can say that the fault is of the producers and executives who end up swallowing all the money...
#paytheanimators
It is the definition of “doing what you love” because you certainly aren’t doing it for the money.
so if you are a foreigner you might as well sleep in the toilets of your office so you can eat and don't have to sleep on the streets
:( #PayTheAnimators
I see some people talking about watching anime legally/ illegaly, do not think that for example animators for KnY movie will see any of that money being made. And do not feel guilty for pirating if you can't afford it or don't even have the ability to watch something legally in your country. I'm in Europe and pay for Netflix and Crunchyroll and still can't watch most of the shows I want to legally. Even if I paid for 5 more different services i couldn't watch everything. And not to mention that a bunch of services are not availible in my country, which is kind of absurd in 2021. I would gladly pay for VIZ to read manga as well but of course it's not availible (I know I can use a VPN, by I dont want to have to). Manga plus as well, I would pay for the service if I could get all of the chapters, but of course there is not that option. All in all the whole system is fucked and the people.that you want to support do not get that money. Don't feel bad for not fattening the pockets of the already rich executives and such.
I have so much love for Japan but it is so far beyond from other countries in the sense that people are really slaves so. But I guess that’s also it’s because Japan the number 1 country in the world when it comes to debt. Korea, China, France and US(countries that are really getting into anime) should really be employing these people overseas to hopefully create enough competition for Japan to wanna pay these people more. That goes for Mangaka, voice actors etc.
2$ a fucken frame my dudes omggg not even 5$...we need these anime animators and drawers to get some more bread in this game my god Japan
2 euro*
@@BigAl2-u7e 2.71 US dollars
Not an animator but I worked as a technician for DSLR camera's paid under piece work (paid per camera fixed) instead of hourly. When the jobs are quick its easy decent money, but when something goes wrong you end up spending hours just to make less than a minimum wage job while holding way more accountability for the work. The worst is if you ever get stuck on something for more than a day or two, because you've made little or no money and your backlog continuously piling up and your gonna need to catch up.
I think its a shit way of pay unless your very experienced, and its a really good method of pushing away any employees that don't have an crazy level of passion for the work that they can regularly forsake their health or financial situation to continue to be in the position.
I hope we can do something about this
They should either raise the pay per frame or set a fixed salary at the end of the month
Why is this job paid per frame and not based on hours?
because if it was based on a per hour system it's possible to vastly inflate wage prices by saying a project would take 'X' amount of time when in reality it would take significantly less time than that and the people who finance the shows and stuff would end up just looking for the cheapest possible causing the overall work to suffer as a result then you would have competition to pay less and less until they were paid the lowest legally allowed to fight for shows and contracts that way, it would just be a degenerate system in this industry, and i don't honestly know of a good fix for it that would help in the long term.
I think, after all, the development of Japanese animation is very mature. In Japan, most of the occupations generally work long hours, and Japan is probably the country with the least shortage of painters. Is it because of these factors that their wages will be lower than we think? In any case, respect animators' passion and achievements.
If japan could improve it's work culture it's close to becoming a perfect country
i think 90% of the anime revenue will go to manager someting like that
i think 90% of the anime revenue will go to manager someting like that
Just like some video game studios, ekhem Blizzard... where someone complained they don't make enough money to eat lunch at office cafeteria.
Imagine getting 2€ for 1 frame of violet evergarden
Well that's brutal that's anime was godly
life is not fair...
Then imagine pay huge money in a doctor clinic and yeah they just want to save people it's their only wish
@@dragonartgroup6982 Considering how hard and tedious it is to become a real doctor they better get some money out of it.
I would have to study my ass off for 5 years and than work my ass off round the clock in some scummy clinics and hospitals that treat me like dirt for another 5 years to become a real doctor in a good hospital.
So you better fucking pay me bruh...
I would probably only get a average salary after the clinic takes it cut and taxes
But Violet Evergarden was produced by Kyoto animation. The most decent animation studio in Japan in Treating their employees. They pay them per hour not per frames. Also 8hour work of per day
we really are assholes i'm watching this video then loading up my favourite pirate site no matter how you spin it 4 or 5 legal streaming sites we have to pay for just to get some shows not all of them will never be worth it.
The pay is still determined by higher ups - even if 20% of sales are by switching to legit streaming, the big chunk of that would probably go to the higher ups' pockets, rather than the animators who are in a set salary.
I agree we should support official release as much as possible, but the issue of underpayment is in the side of the executives, who don't want to trickle down their gains as much, and should pay their workers more.
Well if it makes you feel any better, the money you would have spent on that anime would probably not have gone to the workers but to the big boss so it doesn't matter,.
@@Kuroganemk2 Some would have still gone. I remember seeing Mr. Cao(one of the episode directors of AoT s4) requested fans to buy merch or at least watch it from legal sites. Pirating means none of it is going to the industry.
So if $2.4 for 1 frame.Then in Malaysia that would be RM10.4.So drawing 150 frames would be RM1560.That's a lot I guess.Just for RM10.4 you could buy either laksa, char kuetiaw, fried rice or 2 chickens
Japan more ex than Malaysia to live in, you have to account for their prices and their average salary, no point comparing it to Malaysia just by pure numbers
Do you know how hard it is to draw? RM1560 is also terrible after that much frame
As a toei animator living in a low cost country that 2.4 dollars per frame is actually big enough for me. Right now I work 34 php per frame
so...selling my sketchbook can barely get me half a day's worth of food...damn
i want to be paid in anime
i heard and seen that animators dont get very well , eventhough they deserve more for thier skill
They got Mike Shinoda
a lot of smooth brain weebs need to watch this and remember it the next time they take to twitter or something and start to throw shit at the people that make these shows for you, threating their lives because something doesn't go your way in your empty brain head cannon or the animation is a little poor sometimes.
that's why you watch anime legally...subscribe to netflix,iqiyi,we tv,viu and others...i use the paid service to appreciate the animators...to install wifi you can but buy it legally don't want to...let's respect them
I work as a cook at KFC (16 yrs old) and I get paid $14 an hour. Just think about that for a second, compared the the average animator's pay.
I confirm in French, names for Pokemon are badass as f* and also super close to the original Japanese ones ^^. They really paid attention to the mythologie and meaning behind and all.
I don't know what to think, every animator's story is same, work under pressure, gets criticized by toxic fans, not much money but they still do their best. I also want to be an animator and trying to get admission in TOKYO animation college, but whenever I hear their stories I feel like quiting my dream. What should I do.
Bro I'm in same situation and my pain is that I know my talent is art 😞
@I.A.P.O.W.C. I also tell this to myself but dreams don't feed you. Like I have watched 1000s of animator interviews and each of them are the same story. But I don't want to quit so I will do animation. 👍❤️
Someone just tell me I have class in a few sec
2 euro per frame
@@user-lr6ou2tl2t thx
Yikes.. by frame.. I mean jesus christ.. that couldn't pass where I am winning. Like people mock a minimum wage and daily rate but fu¢k!!! Excuse my language but that's not good enough. Isn't Japan supposed to be 1st world?
Working in japan sucks
Welp, my impression of Japan now is "Great country, Just don't work there".
@@skygazer8549 and don't live there, japan is amazing when you visit it imo
@@skygazer8549 Its a great place with a rich history...but work and school culture is absolutely toxic af, the amount of people that suicide due to stress from school or work(or lack of work) is huge. So yeah great place to go for an extended vacation but living there is mostly a Pass unless you like that sort of thing
@@Faffabucco The weeb dream is ruined.
I think if they increase the price for like each frame (as much as someone can live off animating) more people can come and animate it instead of it being only a passion thing it can be a actual profession 🧐.
Work smart not hard... we have bosses from all over the world coming to Swiss, Zurich to see how our system works. 90% of them are shocked that we start working as a 15-16 year old kid already and getting paid $1k a month for 4 years after that you earn above $3k a month after 5-10 years of schooling(Diploma, Bachelor, Masters etc) you earn up to $6k-8k a month.
To ear 1$ per Frame in 2021 is lower than some people earn in Prison in some countries.... Yikes
@@thotslayer9914 i can only speak for swiss but im sure germany has a good work enviroment too. Scandinavia is also super good i've heard👍👍
Crazy considering the average salary for an animator in Los Angeles is 81k.
The pay rates are for inbetweeners. And lots of inbetweens are being outsourced to South Korea, China and SEA, so you don't really see the bottom barrel rates.
I'm from the Philippines, a 3rd world, lower cost of living. So I'm planning to be a freelance animator and 500 euros is equivalent to 29293.63 pesos which is high above poverty line if you are single hehe.
Family Bar, is a Gay Bar here in Aotearoa, Auckland, on Karangahape road, aka (K Rd)... no joke, that bar is more interesting to go to then normal bars, because people are just there to enjoy themselves, rather than pick someone up ironically.
Satelight studio produce macross series, symphogear, fairy tail wow
They need a raise
That shit is fucking brutal! Animators need better treated #PayTheAnimators
It's sad how these animator give their life for anime because they genuinely love anime. But the industry don't provide much in return
Bruuuuh I have the exact same jumper as Connor in this video wtf mind blown
300 frames is like 12 seconds of video. But I'm guessing they mean like stretched out so im guessing that's closer to a minute of animation.
Why don't they just pay them by the hour ? Minimum wage at least , I know paging by the hour means that the cost of production of anime will go high and as we know animation studios barely get paid for their work anyway let alone be able to pay their staff well but some sort of solution needs to be found because for a first world country and the third largest economy in the world , that is ridiculous , apparently in the states the average animator gets paid 17$ an hour , Japan it's a few dollars depending on how fast you work
Simply because they can get away with it
Have a livable set wage and then add bonuses based on the frames each animator does
Probably of the work culture there, think its looked down upon if the worker complains. Then if they get fired other companies won't hire them as they will be seen as troublemakers. The animators would need to go on strike for that which kind of goes against Japanese nature lol
The Production Committees only pay a fee to animation studios, thus why you see reports of low salary to their employees because the Animation Studios aren't paid
While I support animators should get paid more, the 2 euros per frame is actually not as low as people think (it's still shit though). Going by USD lets say on avg an animator does 600 frames per anime episode, that's $1,416 (converting the 2 euros to USD) or lets say 100 frames thats $236. So honestly this looks like it's just a big competition in the job industry to get people to do more frames per anime. Which can be a big **** you to the anime/artists who do 12/10 work on anime like Demon Slayer/anything Ufotable, Mushuko Tensei and many more, who can say for example can only pump 50 frames per episode cause of the high quality.
So basically if you can keep up a personal quota you can get decent money if the projects aren't high quality like a Ufotable anime (unless they pay higher?), but if you don't constantly hit that mark you'll be making nothing. Also If I remember correctly 1 sec of animation in a anime = 24 frames
Trash taste needs to male a union for the artists to get a minimum wage/hour instead of a frame to frame pay
Echoes of the Anime Dormitory Project income video
ruclips.net/video/lO84SYSMYK0/видео.html
This make me wanna watch how much do american studio paid animator vs japan studio im curious
2 euros to USD = $2.43 this is absolutely disgusting. I’ve worked minimum wage and made more than triple what they do :/
Wtf Japan company's be robbing animators
Japanese companies tend to rob their workforce anyway....