i think g2 running the same roster back also helped because their gains from last year's MSI and worlds trips didn't disappear due to a roster change but the same 5 guys share the same experiences.
for anyone not familiar with this, look up ls' "man vs machine" videos from 8yrs ago, theyre also talking about stuff like this and what got me to follow ls
Having LS talk with Reynor or especially Serral about the West vs East history would be such a banger to listen to. Reaching Serral right now might be difficult tho since he is currently doing his military service.
What's interesting is that it is how T1 leveraged advantages into the competition last world. Very aggro double adc bot meta, hard counters toplane so you have to answer on both side of the map. Makes for a strong early game and just rotating mid jg. Ofc if you block this with laneswaps as we started to see in LPL as an answer and block midlane rotations. Then T1 doesn't function as they did. And it took months. Difference is in a longer format with more games a team like G2 can unlock a wide array of answers for every composition thrown at them. At least that's how i understand this LS point.
@dsjsi Yes you don't have to play flawless, sometimes just a poppy disruption is enough to fuck up entire drafts. Just like Ashe support. Heck Ivern is a 0 dmg champion outside of early game and the zaza tree just stomped TES.
mikyx said it after the game in the interview, after the LEC ended they had a lot of time to practise on new patch and try new things. They didn't need to focus that much on europe and could already prepare for international with new techs.
I feel like, in this year's G2's case, the flexibility they've shown in draft is really akin to 2019 G2 with the Yasuo-Gragas bot, Sona-Taric abusing and all that stuff ; however, this G2 had shown much more consistency in standard stuff and, through showing their own solutions, they abused draft and ban to the point where ban phase is giving information about what situations they want to avoid and G2 has had answers for that against both T1 and TES. Now, there is Tristana, Asol, Orianna, Zac, Poppy and Ivern to acknowledge on top of the usual Senna, Kalista, Varus and Rumble priority picks (at the moment) that G2 *also* wins on, while 2019 G2 were less precise with their time's meta (despite being proficient with Kai'Sa/Xayah, don't get me wrong, but Ezreal was more of an issue than it should have been). It's insanely fun to watch
I think the best example of this is last world’s GenG. Their team was just mechanically superior to every other team in that torunament, and i’ll fight anyone on that. However, the meta quickly shifted and they just seemed OUT OF IT. They could not figure out how to play the meta. I feel like GenG is the epitome if what LS is describing. They have completely perfected the LCK, but as soon as you add other variables to the mix, they seem to crumble.
G2 is bored in LEC, no real team that could rival them. They we're just playing with their food on their last LEC finals Vs FNC. If they we're in LCK or LPL they would become a better team coz they're going to be challenged...
I just *wish* someday we get a custom region where the best teams from each region play against each other like in a regular season ending with a bracket stage
@@colin4685 No i mean more like, an actual regular season's worth of games where every team is guaranteed to get to play against every other team at least twice. Like, let's be real, no roster will ever be honed consistenly into a World Champion level from a non-LCK or LPL region unless they can actually fight competent teams all the time. Maybe i'm underestimating other LEC teams too much but it seems pretty top heavy to me and it just doesn't do G2 any good to waste their time playing with food in the LEC for 80% of the year. But meh, who knows, im a casual who only watches int'ls so im not the most knowledgeable on this kind of thing. Just making a basic observation, i could 100% be way off the mark
interesting how true LS is about the west being better for the first year to two of a new esport, the only one which i can say is not like this is CS which is only really ever been a European esport.
the eastern comparison to choosing the people with the "best physique" is akin to the hunger games imo, reminds me of the training room scenes in the movie
I am pretty sure na usually gets the patch/games first than the eastern regions do So that correlation matches how and why na does well in the first 2 years then massively fall off
G2 practice things in EU so they can add another weapon. They sharpen in China/KR and add another sharpened weapon. Instead of refining the same shit over and over again like KR and somewhat CN but the skill check harder than anyone and it makes up for the lack of weapons.
I think g2 adopted the anime theyvwatch bluelock which means ego stated talent does is not about a god given talent or normal physical ability you have but true comes when you overcome the obstacles and be adaptable to your surroundings”
You can also see this throughout korean history. They take what is best snort a line of coke and do it better. Ie SK capitalism they laugh at us style capitalism. And north korea took rusian style communism and made it more oppresive.
Dylan Falco is the best coach right now, that guy cooks strategies robot meta coaches in LPL/LCK can never dream. The Eastern teams are going to copy G2 in summer split, mark my word they are going to play off meta so they can take on G2 when worlds start.
Draven was never banned because jackey is THE lpl Draven player, and once he lost with it, was so smart of g2 to ban Lucian and take the Draven for Hans. G2s drafting this series was flawless
I like to liken it to a lower level even in the art of sun tzu talks a out fields of battle and how you shouldnt give favorable conditions to your enemy. Why give asian teams situations they are comfortable / refined in if your goal is to beat the Even if you remove mechanics and just talk macro the asian teams just flat play more teams with better quality opponents. Why gi e them the situation they are used to? You have to change something if you want to win
@@pr0gn0sis65 idk about straight up better but the fact that TL just dumped on FNC kinda shows that when g2 is excluded the 2 regions are really close i wldnt say thats holy copium
well done mate, you just said the worst take ever. there is nothing to say that na is better than eu, 1st seed beat the 2nd seed, and at worlds fnatic who was like 2nd seed or 3rd beat c9, na's 1st seed.
@@bravepotatoe7513relax kid FNC has destroyed NAs first seed last year and many times before and matter of fact FNC actually played good against TES meanwhile TL got steamrolled by TES excluding G2 absolute murder of TES today. 😂 😂 😂 so NA is definitely nowhere near EU level EU can actually beat EAST while NA comes to play RIFT RIVAL against LEC every year. NA can only win against EU if they decided to donate it by burnout otherwise PSG is better than NA PSG managed to drag BLG the current tournament fav to 5 games. when was the last time NA actually beat eastern teams?? 🤡
@@Choob1 consistent since when? NA has has only beaten EU twice on an international stage now compared to all the years of EU abuse to NA before lol. 2 bo3 series wins doesnt mean it has been NA over EU in the slightest.
We just enjoy handicapping ourselves with worse competition so when we Golden Road this year it's even more insane dw about it
I really hope this ages well...
Your greatest hurdle would be chovy on his first international trophy
stop jinxing yourselves bro at least reach lower bracket finals 😢
Aged well
@@renashbellrn just wait till we win MSI to say that
Hans sama didn t buy ldr and played bad against T1 to make TES underestimate him.
12d chess moves right here
Hans Sama is Draven OTP in solo q, and he is almost a 100% ban rate magnet for draven.
i think g2 running the same roster back also helped because their gains from last year's MSI and worlds trips didn't disappear due to a roster change but the same 5 guys share the same experiences.
Just to get 3-0 against T1 once again right
Pls more of this content I find this type so interesting
for anyone not familiar with this, look up ls' "man vs machine" videos from 8yrs ago, theyre also talking about stuff like this and what got me to follow ls
Having LS talk with Reynor or especially Serral about the West vs East history would be such a banger to listen to. Reaching Serral right now might be difficult tho since he is currently doing his military service.
Im positive he talked with reynor abt exactly that in exactly that stream. You should watch it back :D but after game 3 ofc
m.ruclips.net/user/livehWGBCIz9oHY?si=Je2AD26ngvzUQyvA&t=2h18m30s
2h18m20s in the full series stream on youtube
What's interesting is that it is how T1 leveraged advantages into the competition last world. Very aggro double adc bot meta, hard counters toplane so you have to answer on both side of the map.
Makes for a strong early game and just rotating mid jg.
Ofc if you block this with laneswaps as we started to see in LPL as an answer and block midlane rotations. Then T1 doesn't function as they did. And it took months.
Difference is in a longer format with more games a team like G2 can unlock a wide array of answers for every composition thrown at them.
At least that's how i understand this LS point.
@dsjsi Yes you don't have to play flawless, sometimes just a poppy disruption is enough to fuck up entire drafts. Just like Ashe support.
Heck Ivern is a 0 dmg champion outside of early game and the zaza tree just stomped TES.
Really insightful thank you Mr. Large Size (tuv) and oh, LS of course.
mikyx said it after the game in the interview, after the LEC ended they had a lot of time to practise on new patch and try new things. They didn't need to focus that much on europe and could already prepare for international with new techs.
I feel like, in this year's G2's case, the flexibility they've shown in draft is really akin to 2019 G2 with the Yasuo-Gragas bot, Sona-Taric abusing and all that stuff ; however, this G2 had shown much more consistency in standard stuff and, through showing their own solutions, they abused draft and ban to the point where ban phase is giving information about what situations they want to avoid and G2 has had answers for that against both T1 and TES. Now, there is Tristana, Asol, Orianna, Zac, Poppy and Ivern to acknowledge on top of the usual Senna, Kalista, Varus and Rumble priority picks (at the moment) that G2 *also* wins on, while 2019 G2 were less precise with their time's meta (despite being proficient with Kai'Sa/Xayah, don't get me wrong, but Ezreal was more of an issue than it should have been).
It's insanely fun to watch
I think the best example of this is last world’s GenG. Their team was just mechanically superior to every other team in that torunament, and i’ll fight anyone on that. However, the meta quickly shifted and they just seemed OUT OF IT. They could not figure out how to play the meta. I feel like GenG is the epitome if what LS is describing.
They have completely perfected the LCK, but as soon as you add other variables to the mix, they seem to crumble.
TL : Is it possible to learn this power?
Darth G : not from a LCS
“Do they not know he plays Kog’Maw?” Hans is literally the only pro who plays Kog
its crazy and interesting that this is exactly what ls has been preaching for years now
G2 is bored in LEC, no real team that could rival them. They we're just playing with their food on their last LEC finals Vs FNC. If they we're in LCK or LPL they would become a better team coz they're going to be challenged...
I just *wish* someday we get a custom region where the best teams from each region play against each other like in a regular season ending with a bracket stage
@@Pyxyty thats called world championship, its been around a while in league. check it out!
We do. Its called msi and worlds @Pyxyty
@@colin4685 No i mean more like, an actual regular season's worth of games where every team is guaranteed to get to play against every other team at least twice.
Like, let's be real, no roster will ever be honed consistenly into a World Champion level from a non-LCK or LPL region unless they can actually fight competent teams all the time. Maybe i'm underestimating other LEC teams too much but it seems pretty top heavy to me and it just doesn't do G2 any good to waste their time playing with food in the LEC for 80% of the year.
But meh, who knows, im a casual who only watches int'ls so im not the most knowledgeable on this kind of thing. Just making a basic observation, i could 100% be way off the mark
@@Pyxyty and that kills overall competition and the whole market, they tried to do it in football and it got trashed to hell
interesting how true LS is about the west being better for the first year to two of a new esport, the only one which i can say is not like this is CS which is only really ever been a European esport.
true but cs was never popular in asia, and valve never cared to market it there
the eastern comparison to choosing the people with the "best physique" is akin to the hunger games imo, reminds me of the training room scenes in the movie
I am pretty sure na usually gets the patch/games first than the eastern regions do
So that correlation matches how and why na does well in the first 2 years then massively fall off
G2 practice things in EU so they can add another weapon. They sharpen in China/KR and add another sharpened weapon. Instead of refining the same shit over and over again like KR and somewhat CN but the skill check harder than anyone and it makes up for the lack of weapons.
Caps is the difference
I think g2 adopted the anime theyvwatch bluelock which means ego stated talent does is not about a god given talent or normal physical ability you have but true comes when you overcome the obstacles and be adaptable to your surroundings”
G2 the SPANISH pride
G2 the west pride
@@alexandernaydenov7539 As well !
I thought G2 was Berlin team
G2 is a German team bro
@@isaacmurphy6703 Nah, was created by the Spanish Ocelote and based in Berlin. Now its like European/International as they say
i cant believed it bro, 3-0, ohly molly
Very good preparation and low ego
You can also see this throughout korean history. They take what is best snort a line of coke and do it better. Ie SK capitalism they laugh at us style capitalism. And north korea took rusian style communism and made it more oppresive.
What is Gwen's big secret though?
7:22
: yeah (No)
1 minute ago is wild
DUDE. I JUST SAW THIS BEFORE WATCHING THE MATCH MAN I HATE SPOILERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Why the fuck are you on any social media, deserved tbh
g2’s big secret 😋
Dylan Falco is the best coach right now, that guy cooks strategies robot meta coaches in LPL/LCK can never dream. The Eastern teams are going to copy G2 in summer split, mark my word they are going to play off meta so they can take on G2 when worlds start.
That big long huh
Surely it's not Gwen 😊
@@turnermarius4471 Lmao, same way they did in 2019. East is to slow to change. They'll just ban few picks, or learn to play against them.
Ain't no way the Gwen into game 5 worlds finals vs Gen G this year 69-0
They picked draven because draven is permabanned against hans in LEC
Draven was never banned because jackey is THE lpl Draven player, and once he lost with it, was so smart of g2 to ban Lucian and take the Draven for Hans. G2s drafting this series was flawless
@@mwbwyatt yup
no the real logic is "nobody plays kogmaw, therefore it is not good and he cant pick it!"
i will comback to this video when G2 win at least 1 lck team
G2 CULTURE
OMG no get Artosis for Broodwar history!
LS island
I like to liken it to a lower level even in the art of sun tzu talks a out fields of battle and how you shouldnt give favorable conditions to your enemy.
Why give asian teams situations they are comfortable / refined in if your goal is to beat the
Even if you remove mechanics and just talk macro the asian teams just flat play more teams with better quality opponents. Why gi e them the situation they are used to? You have to change something if you want to win
Tssk nah LS youre wrong
Oh shit, soo T1 can't adapt quickly so they Will out probably 🤔
Paypal
Really is just a 1 team region. The entirety of NA is just better then the rest of EU now Sadge
Thats some holy copium
@@pr0gn0sis65 idk about straight up better but the fact that TL just dumped on FNC kinda shows that when g2 is excluded the 2 regions are really close i wldnt say thats holy copium
well done mate, you just said the worst take ever. there is nothing to say that na is better than eu, 1st seed beat the 2nd seed, and at worlds fnatic who was like 2nd seed or 3rd beat c9, na's 1st seed.
@@equinox85c9 might’ve been na’s first seed… kappa
@@bravepotatoe7513relax kid FNC has destroyed NAs first seed last year and many times before and matter of fact FNC actually played good against TES meanwhile TL got steamrolled by TES excluding G2 absolute murder of TES today. 😂 😂 😂 so NA is definitely nowhere near EU level EU can actually beat EAST while NA comes to play RIFT RIVAL against LEC every year. NA can only win against EU if they decided to donate it by burnout otherwise PSG is better than NA PSG managed to drag BLG the current tournament fav to 5 games. when was the last time NA actually beat eastern teams?? 🤡
G2>NA>EU
That s the new NA angle to maintain copium? I guess I'll allow it i'll give you my copium too I don't need it anymore!
@@sneakysunset1765 i mean its been consistent NA over EU teams not named G2
Not really. Na 2 did not make it out of playins, eu2 did@@Choob1
@@Choob1 Beside last year G2 incident NA wins when they have an higher seed vs a lower seed Eu like with MAD or FNC
@@Choob1 consistent since when? NA has has only beaten EU twice on an international stage now compared to all the years of EU abuse to NA before lol. 2 bo3 series wins doesnt mean it has been NA over EU in the slightest.