Came to the comments to see how many people would be crying about the judging. Pretty much what I expected. I dont give a shit about who is fron where, the judges got this heat right. Italo's air was better than John's, but John's body of work was better on his 8.27. John threw the air reverse and then proceeded to destroy that lip 4 or 5 times. It was a more "complete" wave, IMHO. But yeah, Italo's one manuever air reverse was absolutely sick. It deserved the 8.17, but I'm glad they didn't get all goofy with it and throw up 10's.
Concordo com voces mas as notas do Yago foram reduzidas. Ficou amassando os adverssarios o tempo todo e as notas nao vinham. Aconteceu com Medina tambem. Essa JJ venceu na boa. Mas o surfe brasileiro ta bem mais alto nivel isso ta na cara.
Master class by JJF, giving no other choice to the judge panel by doing their favorite one move 9. To start every single wave yet they still underscore him. Well done John "Da Gost" Florence. Florida saluds you.
I don't think that JJ was underscored, his last wave for example was amazing but it was a small sized wave and a short one so 8.2 was actually a good call
@@vgama I agree to disagree, let's start by mentioning how clean the turns italo did , excluding the airs , nevertheless Johns air at every first run showed a different level of performance, once we moved into the critical turns in tha poked, and let's be honest we have all deal with the poket monster 💀, he's fluid and consistend, I will not even mention the claims , or lack of, again my opinion is in effort to maintain the level of performance based on something else the usual 9 . Point air after running the entire wave generating speed instead of executing moves that will expose our real performance, it's simple and complex at the same time, the key is what if the judge has never landed an air but knows how to gain speed, does this makes sense, ok so the hard part is when someone who has never paddle for more than 5 mins judges a kid that grow up surfing overhead for the fun of it. Thanks for the reply and politeness, and let's watch the next heat .
I’d hardly call that an “emotionless air.” But this is J-Bay, not Brazilian beach break. So one move at such a spot should never break an 8. Well, unless it’s something so totally fresh, innovative, rare, risky, and mind boggling that it can’t be denied.
@@shacktime agreed when i said emotionless i meant that italo throws that maneuver so much that it doesn't have the same impact anymore. But i agree with everything you said
@@duartecondeco9545 I can jive with that. I recall that when Jadson Andre burst onto the tour he would routinely rely on his frontside air revos to win heats. Then the judges realized they were as easy for him as a standard cutback. Andre’s career has struggled to recover since. Similarly, the judges initially loved Nat Young’s power hacks and blasts but they eventually realized he wasn’t really mixing things up and his surfing lacked the spice they feel the tour needs. For my part, if you reduced guys like JJF and Dane to just their airs I’d be nowhere near as enamored with or entertained by their surfing. Their power hacks are more exciting and mindblowing to me overall. And EE has consistently proven he can do any trick in the book but his rail game is what blows most people away. Only JJF, Dane, and Felipe are on that level.
408 and 416 that air is wild and controlled. What great about it is he done this more then just a few times doing contest and free surfing . Only a few others surfers that does these wild and controlled airs .
@@andrewdoels I meant the WSL is not good at always watching waves live. Today JJF/Connor and John was on a wave (you could hear the crowd), but Turpel was reviewing a reply Connors wave. Ridiculous. Right? That said, I'm impressed they actually keep entertaining dialogue for that long....
Exactly what I was thinking. They also did this recently in El Salvador. The run the contests AFTER the swells. That surf in this video is mediocre. It's like the WSL doesn't know how to read swell models/forecasts. Just pitiful.
@misslyte you know they book the contest window well in advance right? They have to work with various governments to get the permits to run these things, seems like a year out. The most they can do in that system is to book a window when there's generally swell during that time of year, then hope they get 3-4 good days out of those 10 days they have the permits for. It's not as simple and flexible as "oh waves are good, let's run the contest!". It's been a super bad run of ocean luck this year.
@@whoaitsjape, I understand all of that. And so does the WSL. They can do better. El Salvador the waves were going off before the contest and the same for this contest at JBay. With enough thought they can dial it in.
The ONLY problem preventing professional surfing being taken more seriously is the TOTAL SUBJECTIVITY OF JUDGING - changing surfer to surfer, flavour of the month, etc. In every other extreme sport eg Snowboarding, Skateboarding, Wake, Ski, etc its always about technical skills and fair judging. While surfing is one of the biggest extreme watersports in the world, the complete, obvious, and inconsistent bias of the five judges, KILLS OUR SPORTS PROFESSIONAL GROWTH
Totally agree! ... And, even in figurskating you SEE the judges and can asses thier bias. Thus, if it continues, that judge gets replaced. With the WSL 'who the actual judges are' is a mystery (read: controlled by the league and thus sponsor $$$). It's a shame.
The problem is some punters don't appreciate style and flow. JJF clearly won that heat. Italo got robbed at the wave pool no doubt - but bad decisions happen in any sport. The obsession that every braziilian is now getting cheated is absurd. They will no doubt do more air reverses than anyone. But air reverses only go so far. The emphasis on style and flow i.e. Tom Curren is also central to what surfing is. And Currenesque flow is the most difficult thing to do.
I agree with you but lowkey want to keep it this way. Sport gets more popularity = crowded in the water all over the world (+loses its uniqueness), and if you're a surfer, you don't want that, correct me if I'm wrong.
how does someone see Ítalo fly for 10ft or JJF do an aerial and connect edge maneuvers and still be embittered? Get out and let the versatility of today's surfing shine
coitado do italo, garfado de novo! por que as grandes impresas não se propoem em fazer uma nova liga? e roubo por cima de roubo nas notas, e não muda nada.
Rídiculo é essa choradeira. JJF fez um aéreo e complementou com manobras de borda, surf limpo, rápido e lindo. Essa mania de perseguição ta insuportável
There is no how land clean on airs like these, and If tou compare the 8.5 of Griffin slob Air and the yagos Air you can see Cleary that the Air of ítalo should be more.. stop this stupid talk "i see diferent" this mean that or you dont understanding nothing about surf or you are blind
@@ridesurf Yes probably, that would be consistent with scoring, however I personally think that all single maneuver waves should score no greater than 8; because you they don't address one of the main criteria 'combination of major maneuvers'.
They both do things that the other is not capable of. Italo will never win the Eddie. Even though he's going to start pushing into giant waves more. He's already started and his athletic ability is obviously superhuman. He's a contest winning machine. But JJF style? And winning the Eddie? The waterman skills to ride giant waves at all, much less at legend status. I'd take that over any World Title. If you gave me a choice and I could surf like either one tomorrow, I'd pick the JJF route. And be on the plane for the next purple blob on the lola/satellite.
@@markriobr You’re a kook. Name all the tour surfers who have hit Nazare. I’ll wait⏳ JJF was a teenager the first time he surfed Mavericks. He’s charged all of the heaviest outer reefs on Oahu for years. He rips the shit outta huge Haleiwa, Sunset, Pipe (deadliest wave on Earth), Teahupo’o, and has schooled everyone on tour at pumping Margaret River, making everyone else on tour lift their games there. Clown🤡
Yes, the poor Brazilians that ARE winning fucking everything in the last years.. even If the judges and wsl try to stop there is no way to stop because the Brazilians ARE the best surfers in the world now and you can come here cry but you know thats the truth bitch
I’d score that heat a little closer but Jj did get the win. Huge air by Italo was epic
Came to the comments to see how many people would be crying about the judging. Pretty much what I expected.
I dont give a shit about who is fron where, the judges got this heat right. Italo's air was better than John's, but John's body of work was better on his 8.27. John threw the air reverse and then proceeded to destroy that lip 4 or 5 times. It was a more "complete" wave, IMHO. But yeah, Italo's one manuever air reverse was absolutely sick. It deserved the 8.17, but I'm glad they didn't get all goofy with it and throw up 10's.
Agreed. Italo had the better air. JJF had the better overall wave
This heat proves they overscored Yago’s air.
Concordo com voces mas as notas do Yago foram reduzidas. Ficou amassando os adverssarios o tempo todo e as notas nao vinham. Aconteceu com Medina tambem. Essa JJ venceu na boa. Mas o surfe brasileiro ta bem mais alto nivel isso ta na cara.
@@shacktime I thought so.
Master class by JJF, giving no other choice to the judge panel by doing their favorite one move 9. To start every single wave yet they still underscore him. Well done John "Da Gost" Florence. Florida saluds you.
I don't think that JJ was underscored, his last wave for example was amazing but it was a small sized wave and a short one so 8.2 was actually a good call
@@vgama I agree to disagree, let's start by mentioning how clean the turns italo did , excluding the airs , nevertheless Johns air at every first run showed a different level of performance, once we moved into the critical turns in tha poked, and let's be honest we have all deal with the poket monster 💀, he's fluid and consistend, I will not even mention the claims , or lack of, again my opinion is in effort to maintain the level of performance based on something else the usual 9 . Point air after running the entire wave generating speed instead of executing moves that will expose our real performance, it's simple and complex at the same time, the key is what if the judge has never landed an air but knows how to gain speed, does this makes sense, ok so the hard part is when someone who has never paddle for more than 5 mins judges a kid that grow up surfing overhead for the fun of it. Thanks for the reply and politeness, and let's watch the next heat .
I love it, the announcer seems to know what john john is thinking, but doesn't even know what board he's riding🥸
IF won the best trick contest but JJ surfed the better heat
💯
Wslame Judges
It’s the most watchable wave on the tour…
You know da rules
Imagine thinking that italo wave was better than jjf.... Surfing is doomed with all these emotionless airs
I’d hardly call that an “emotionless air.” But this is J-Bay, not Brazilian beach break. So one move at such a spot should never break an 8. Well, unless it’s something so totally fresh, innovative, rare, risky, and mind boggling that it can’t be denied.
@@shacktime agreed when i said emotionless i meant that italo throws that maneuver so much that it doesn't have the same impact anymore. But i agree with everything you said
@@duartecondeco9545 I can jive with that. I recall that when Jadson Andre burst onto the tour he would routinely rely on his frontside air revos to win heats. Then the judges realized they were as easy for him as a standard cutback. Andre’s career has struggled to recover since.
Similarly, the judges initially loved Nat Young’s power hacks and blasts but they eventually realized he wasn’t really mixing things up and his surfing lacked the spice they feel the tour needs.
For my part, if you reduced guys like JJF and Dane to just their airs I’d be nowhere near as enamored with or entertained by their surfing. Their power hacks are more exciting and mindblowing to me overall.
And EE has consistently proven he can do any trick in the book but his rail game is what blows most people away. Only JJF, Dane, and Felipe are on that level.
408 and 416 that air is wild and controlled. What great about it is he done this more then just a few times doing contest and free surfing .
Only a few others surfers that does these wild and controlled airs .
Yago legit did one heat before that was more tweaked, bigger, and cleaner landing.
Thanks
that look at the judges is fatal, at the end of the heat.
30m heats with a lot of down time. Why are some waves not seen live? Come on WSL!
Yeah mate, I agree, guess it's hard work thinking about how to say the same thing about the same person a little differently.
@@andrewdoels I meant the WSL is not good at always watching waves live. Today JJF/Connor and John was on a wave (you could hear the crowd), but Turpel was reviewing a reply Connors wave. Ridiculous. Right? That said, I'm impressed they actually keep entertaining dialogue for that long....
Praia de Gaibu. Cabo de st. Agostinho. PE. Brasil. 😮
I believe that fairly wide stance reference is called the POO stance.
So un parko esc. Jerky and just not one with the wave. Well said. Rips but not eye Candy
Essa JJ venceu
THIS JOAo Joao Win.😂 But Italo did Make the best manover
Why oh WHY does the WSL put the best sufers on 2-4 foot waves? JBay is known for huge walls and barrel sections.
Exactly what I was thinking. They also did this recently in El Salvador. The run the contests AFTER the swells. That surf in this video is mediocre. It's like the WSL doesn't know how to read swell models/forecasts. Just pitiful.
It's the opening round. They have to try and start the comp with a building swell if they want there to be anything left for finals day.
That is 4-6ft
@misslyte you know they book the contest window well in advance right? They have to work with various governments to get the permits to run these things, seems like a year out. The most they can do in that system is to book a window when there's generally swell during that time of year, then hope they get 3-4 good days out of those 10 days they have the permits for. It's not as simple and flexible as "oh waves are good, let's run the contest!". It's been a super bad run of ocean luck this year.
@@whoaitsjape, I understand all of that. And so does the WSL. They can do better. El Salvador the waves were going off before the contest and the same for this contest at JBay. With enough thought they can dial it in.
O Ìtalo sempre perde por pouco, mas uma hora ele vai conseguir uma vitòria cheia de emoção!!!!!💪
The ONLY problem preventing professional surfing being taken more seriously is the TOTAL SUBJECTIVITY OF JUDGING - changing surfer to surfer, flavour of the month, etc. In every other extreme sport eg Snowboarding, Skateboarding, Wake, Ski, etc its always about technical skills and fair judging. While surfing is one of the biggest extreme watersports in the world, the complete, obvious, and inconsistent bias of the five judges, KILLS OUR SPORTS PROFESSIONAL GROWTH
Totally agree! ... And, even in figurskating you SEE the judges and can asses thier bias. Thus, if it continues, that judge gets replaced. With the WSL 'who the actual judges are' is a mystery (read: controlled by the league and thus sponsor $$$). It's a shame.
The problem is some punters don't appreciate style and flow. JJF clearly won that heat. Italo got robbed at the wave pool no doubt - but bad decisions happen in any sport. The obsession that every braziilian is now getting cheated is absurd. They will no doubt do more air reverses than anyone. But air reverses only go so far. The emphasis on style and flow i.e. Tom Curren is also central to what surfing is. And Currenesque flow is the most difficult thing to do.
@@davidodonnellfilmwell stated. Couldn't agree more.
I agree with you but lowkey want to keep it this way. Sport gets more popularity = crowded in the water all over the world (+loses its uniqueness), and if you're a surfer, you don't want that, correct me if I'm wrong.
@@Eld4rZ the WSL with is messy sub 200k views per video (worldwide) can hardly be called popular enough to change the lineup. (in my opinion).
Robson tava? Deve ter betsurf
What odds would Calum Robson have to win or 2nd in this heat, if it were Vegas odds?
+475 2nd +1050 win
Go jjf
Take air out of the criteria for this comp
Not my favorite to see airs here either but the waves are not that good today so its okay
I like em. Cutbacks get old
how does someone see Ítalo fly for 10ft or JJF do an aerial and connect edge maneuvers and still be embittered? Get out and let the versatility of today's surfing shine
You from the 1980s?
@@thesilverhawaiian5024 I wish
Italo aereo entre 8 e 9
Pov me: still trying to convince my mom and dad to go visit her best friend so i can git to j bay 😅
Essa olhada para os juízes é fatal, no final da bateria.
o nenemzinho da wsl ganha mais uma com ajudinha dessa palhaçada wsl, circo montado!
JJF's board just reminds me of Mcdonalds
Style matters , thats all i can say
Italo's air was better than yago's. holy
No it wasn't smaller section and the landing wasn't clean
Hands down
Yes, agree. Take all air "tricks" out of the judging criteria.
Ferreira deserved more. Crazy air, rarely seen anything like it,
The aerial of Italo is 9 or 9.5
No way, big air fo sure but not clean landing
I wondered why italo's wave wasn't scored higher, but jbay is a long wave and a single manoeuver on a not so good wave might be the reason.
I don't think ANY single airs should score higher than a 7.
yes, but it s out of context and anti aesthetic in J Bay, and fucking boring too, burning a wave for a single manouvre
Nope….
Roubado
Roubado heim😅
coitado do italo, garfado de novo! por que as grandes impresas não se propoem em fazer uma nova liga? e roubo por cima de roubo nas notas, e não muda nada.
que ridiculo! aéreo incompleto do JJ e dão 8.27 pro cara kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk tao é de sacanagem esses juízes
PARA DE CHORAR SEU FRITO
Lol
😢
Rídiculo é essa choradeira. JJF fez um aéreo e complementou com manobras de borda, surf limpo, rápido e lindo. Essa mania de perseguição ta insuportável
RNWO
Roubado kkk 😒😒😒
8,17????? This got be a joke.. should be unless a 9
As gnarly as it was, here is a different perspective; no combination of major maneuvers, wasn't landed cleanly.
There is no how land clean on airs like these, and If tou compare the 8.5 of Griffin slob Air and the yagos Air you can see Cleary that the Air of ítalo should be more.. stop this stupid talk "i see diferent" this mean that or you dont understanding nothing about surf or you are blind
@@minch_mepreach! 🙌👌
@@minch_me Agree if landed clean could have been a 9
@@ridesurf Yes probably, that would be consistent with scoring, however I personally think that all single maneuver waves should score no greater than 8; because you they don't address one of the main criteria 'combination of major maneuvers'.
No way John won that heat
Italo simply does things that jj is not capable of and we truly saw it on that heat... the score is secondary, whatever
brah what???
They both do things that the other is not capable of. Italo will never win the Eddie. Even though he's going to start pushing into giant waves more. He's already started and his athletic ability is obviously superhuman. He's a contest winning machine. But JJF style? And winning the Eddie? The waterman skills to ride giant waves at all, much less at legend status. I'd take that over any World Title. If you gave me a choice and I could surf like either one tomorrow, I'd pick the JJF route. And be on the plane for the next purple blob on the lola/satellite.
Stupid comment. And JJF is the best surfer on the planet in the heaviest waves. No question.
@@shacktime Never saw him surfing Nazare, Waimea is not the heaviest wave on earth.
@@markriobr You’re a kook. Name all the tour surfers who have hit Nazare. I’ll wait⏳
JJF was a teenager the first time he surfed Mavericks. He’s charged all of the heaviest outer reefs on Oahu for years. He rips the shit outta huge Haleiwa, Sunset, Pipe (deadliest wave on Earth), Teahupo’o, and has schooled everyone on tour at pumping Margaret River, making everyone else on tour lift their games there.
Clown🤡
Aéreo Full rotation incompleto deram 8,27 para o queridinho americano. SHAME WSL
He represents Hawaii
Shame shame shame! Everytime a Brazilian doesn’t win a heat it’s rigged. Classic
He had control he had to kick out because of the shallow rocks dumbass
The cry is free
First! Yew..!
Oh the poor Brazilians..........
Yes, the poor Brazilians that ARE winning fucking everything in the last years.. even If the judges and wsl try to stop there is no way to stop because the Brazilians ARE the best surfers in the world now and you can come here cry but you know thats the truth bitch
Whinging all the way. It never ends. 🐝
write the scores in the chapter titles please
I like air moves sorry not sorry
JJ WIN ?
REALLY ?
The took victory from Italo
he needed to surf better to win.
I love how a guy that's not known for air critical moves , gets to explain it.