I really don't understand why people keep defending the industry. "Oh no, the poor multi-billion dollar company might make a million less! Quick, exploit my children!"
@@arosbastion7052 For an adult with a properly functioning brain, yes. It is that easy. But we aren't talking about adults, we're talking about kids. Kids that are dumb and easy to take advantage of, which is predominantly who spend the most on Loot boxes because they're dumb. And easy to take advantage of.
@@Zhall0430 Show me statistics of all these kids who turned into gambling addicts from loot boxes. Oh that's right you can't because the people screaming about "muh children are being corrupted" online are 1)childless,2)only pay attention to unique fringe cases that make the news like when some millionaires kid spends a couple thousand dollars on lootboxes 3)actually don't care about kids at all and just use a convenient moral panic hyperbole strawman to feel righteous about dedicating constant energy and time to bitch about optional meaningless skins in a video game.
@@Zhall0430 It ain't just kids they're taking advantage of though, In EA's case it's more the sports fans and the impatient ones who have the cash to burn.
DevilDagger Well not to say that it would justify it in your eyes but, like they say in the podcast, the children argument is a new tactic since apparently just saying "loot boxes are scummy and make video games worse" isn't good enough anymore. Also in this specific case the writer talks about how without children specifically spending irresponsible amounts of money it would hurt sports games, not just adults or video gamers in general, which makes it sound like he openly accepts that it's necessary which sounds sorta shitty.
@@vivena9 Saying I can't find statistics is an assumption, not a fact. No one is arguing about cosmetic microtransactions. An upfront optional purchase of a skin or skins is perfectly fine as long as you know exactly what it is you're purchasing. That isn't gambling, that's buying a product. However, when you go from that, to putting down money for the CHANCE of getting something that you want, is when you cross into gambling territory. (Here's the definition if you don't want to take my word for it www.dictionary.com/browse/gambling ) And whether you want to admit it or not, gambling is something that is addictive.
As an American, I think I can safely say the way the Article used the "Free Market" argument is stupid. Someone needs to remind the author that THE US MARKET HAS REGULATIONS AGAINST GAMBLING. In Casinos in the US, They are required to have the odds avalible to show the gamblers, and there is a strict age limit of over 18. The US isn't completely Free Market. In fact, We have a shit ton of regulations for literally everything!
And a lot of those regulations have been FUCKING FANTASTIC for the public good. Restricting advertisements for shit like tobacco and alcohol, and forcing transparency in a ton of industries that had the potential for, and at the time were, predatory, is spectacular.
You prolly dont give a damn but does anyone know of a tool to log back into an instagram account? I somehow lost my account password. I would appreciate any tips you can offer me.
@@In-The-Zone Last time he had righteous anger Crazy Talk made GRRM promise to trap himself on an Island if he doesn't finish his next book on time. We need more righteous anger Pat.
“What is that Arthur C. Clarke quote? ”Don’t attribute to malice what could easily be attributed to incompetence.” Yeah, but that doesn’t rule out malice!” - Gordon Freemen
They did once test out if Woolie could convince people to join his "cult" on the podcast. And he was a fuckin' pro at it instantly. So i'm not really surprised.
Honestly, whenever Woolie gives up on the streaming/LPing game, we should all be very scared because he will become the single most dangerous corporate shill man in existence.
Woolie’s ability to become the literal devil is only held back by his strong moral and ethical beliefs. If he ever loses those, we should all be worried
@Andrew Whiting do you not get the joke or are you making fun of people who might not get the joke? if its the latter then I didn't get your joke and I'm SoRrY
Fun fact! The Invisible Hand is prooven to be fals on numorous occasion. The actorst of the market have to make consistant effort to be in a balance position.
@@comingupooo Well the whole idea is that the market will correct itself automaticly. But there were several instance(economical crysis) where that did NOT happened and the government and the companies had to take active steps to correct it.
"Do you really want the government to come in and control the market?" Normally, no I don't. But when the market is so determined to stonewall any change to benefit the consumers that it will actively MOCK AND BELITTLE THEM for being displeased with a product, then they only have themselves to blame when said consumers turn to government regulation.
I think customers having the self control(or parents monitoring their kids) to stop buying stuff from the shitty companies would be a better solution, and thankfully the food and drink sellers aren't this bad, but yeah at this point these assholes need to get their shit kicked in in a way that actually hurts them quickly, and with clear cause, much like Ross Scotts crusade to get "Games As A Service" regulated to stop it from killing games and rendering them unplayable once devs/publishers pull their support.
RipOffProductionsLLC Your not wrong, thing is those “parents” don’t parent. They don’t actually get involved with their kids lives and teach them stuff. People are fucking stupid so by this point government regulations need to happen.
@@RavenCloak13 Its bad all around. There is no accounting for taste nowadays and it's like almost nobody seems to care what kind of content children are playing. NOW I am the LAST person who cares about what kids are playing but it becomes a problem when it affects the real world. I think the solution for parents is kinda simple if they continue to be trash parents. Just buy them a 3DS or a Switch because Nintendo has always been consistent with keeping games fun and scum free (for the children I'd like to think on the whole) I think Sony and Microsoft really let this trend get out of hand as well.
The idea that these multi-billion dollar, big name franchises that have existed for years before microtransactions were a thing can only continue on if they are allowed to keep exploiting children and those with gambling addictions is so patently absurd that it's insulting that industry defenders would go to it as a justification. And if it were true (which it isn't) then maybe those franchises deserve to die out.
Never forget the guy who stole his parent's credit card and then STILL went into debt to the yakuza over a single gacha. He was like 30 but at that point he still qualifies as a child really.
Pat kinda nailed something I felt about the whole Gamer™ movement, I love games and play them a crap ton but they're not a life or death subject most of the time.
There was some thing I saw where it was like "Oh yeah, I play a decent amount of video games" "Oh so you're a gamer?" "First of all how fucking dare you" and it speaks to my soul.
Of course sports games need to have predatory monetization! It's not like they existed just fine before said predatory monetization! The very first sports games came out a couple of years ago alongside microtransactions, they are basically inseparable!!! SMH at those entitled gamers always complaining, like, they are so toxic!
Pat, opinion pieces are literally paid for. EA paid that person to write that. Its why there are laws in place to make news companies say they are opinion articles.
Here's the thing about government regulation. Yeah, you probably don't want their fingers in literally everything all the time. But also corporations are completely amoral and will do a) whatever makes the money and b) to that end, whatever they can get away with. When they weasel around existing gambling laws, and do so in a market that has a large percentage of minors...it might be time for big g to step in and say "no".
Are pokemon cards gambling? What about MTG cards, yugioh cards, basketball cards, baseball cards, etc. They're basically cardboard lootboxes. They're also targeted at minors. Should they also be banned? Should we threaten physical violence at people in a consensual activity? We shouldn't be using the government to threaten to point guns at people for liking things we don't like. Just don't buy them. And convince other people not to buy them with your words. Wanting to have government step in is the same attitude that got alcohol and marijuana banned. And those were very difficult to overturn when we realized it was a bad idea.
The Lightning Goza and even now we still haven't managed to overturn those bans for children! Big Government meddling in what my kids can smoke and drink, smh
@@HermitBlake Poor us, if only parents could parent their kids. Good thing we have government to be mommy and daddy for them, and for us while they're at it.
@@SlackisDead I know this is old, but here is the thing. The reason you have age limits, and have limits when it comes to advertising to children, is because they are some of the most vulnerable people in the world when it comes to predatory behaviors. Children don't have the ability to think for themselves like most other people, it is why they have guardians to protect them and make decisions for them. But that is not failproof. Children will still do stupid shit, stupid shit like buying alchohol, smoking, and gambling. They will do this no matter what, even if the guardian tries to get them to stop, so there needs to be something more to be done here. This is why child laws were put in place because there needed to be extra insurance to protect kids from themselves and from falling into the hands of predatory companies who had no care in the world if a child was using their product. To them it meant more dollars, and a new audience to sell to, so those companies needed to be handled which meant all companies needed to be handled the same way. Here, with loot boxes, the same thing is happening. Kids are doing stupid shit, and companies are facilitating it, even if not all of them are. Which means regulations need to be taken.
This 'problem' didn't exist before they realised how much money they could make through turning games into gambling sims. But now that they do know suddenly there's all of these costs for graphics and sports licenses that they just can't pay off without exploiting people.
@@PunishedBlake And the most stupid part is that the "extra money" is actually never spent, it is just deposited in a bank account and added to those millions. These greedy men will NEVER spend all their money, what if he has 5 million extra cash on his bank account? He already has 20 million.
@@PunishedBlake those loot boxes keep CEO's well supplied with lobster thermidor. Its actually nauseating at how some ppl are like "yeah man let children, like ages 7-12 gamble because fuck it they'll give us that delicious delicious parent credit card and fuck these kids who have gambling addictions because were a billion dollars richer"
"There's only so dumb you can expect people to be." Pat, did you not work in retail for 8 years? Do you not remember what that's like? Is it repressed from your memory?
It's true though, tell me how dating sims have majorly harmed the gaming market like how sport games and their monetization methods have, you basically can't outside of some people whining that seeing anime tits on steam is somehow bad.
@@pyropoyo So just the Fate series, but instead of historical figures, it's famous athletes? ... Dude. Sell that. Sell that and disappear before you get disappeared, because that is some water-powered engine shit right there.
@@Kydino Hikikomoris love that shit. Let them be happy with their imaginary waifus that aren't actually real and will never love them. Let those losers ignore the message Miyazaki/Anno/Kon have been trying to tell for decades because they need their overpriced figurines. And I ain't going further than that because it gets real sketch, real fast.
It's only now, that I realize Woolie's last name is LITERALLY Madden. He wasn't playing a character out of desire, he was literally being "Mr. Madden" in the situation.
@@FlameHidden Polygon greenlit and published a demo of the first level of doom. Noone said that you have to be a pro at games to be a journalist, far from it. But the level of skill displayed there is so, breathtakingly incompetent to the point where a lot of people thought the game/controller had problems working.
@@FlameHidden Look up 'Polygon plays Doom' on the search bar right now. A sight to behold. While I don't think you need to be an MLG level player to report on gaming, you should be at least above average.
What about that one time they uploaded a video reviewing a virtual reality gun range thing, but the reviewer spent the whole thing talking about how he doesn't like guns and how they make him feel, instead of actually talking about the game at all?
Companies in the 1950’s actually paid their employees and rewarded loyalty to the company for both consumers and employees. That’s completely out of the window now
Boy i cant wait to replay this for them in a year or so, when Pat and Woolie are literally covered Hat to Socks in Roosterteeth merchandise, doing 15 minutes minecraft videos with Gavin and Alfredo.
The gaming industry as a whole is a free market but Sports games are not. Who ever has the license has a monopoly on that genre of sports. The license holder functions like a government entity that sanctions a monopoly like how Royal Charter companies used to function. So no wonder sports game became this.
Gambling in video games is nothing new, the oldest examples are just straight up gambling which is why they aren't seen in the same way. It shouldn't be a surprise considering how often video games replicate the implications of a gamble. Also remember that gambling itself isn't inherently bad, its the idea that pushing it without thought for the games integrity and potentially warping a young minds perception of risk and reward. I can see a future where both of these issue's are fixed and where gambling is more of a side feature.
Maybe rephrase that statement? The other guy is correct with their first statement, gambling has always existed in games like NES era back then. The problem is real money has come into play and its unregulated but in like Pokemon Red playing in the Casinos youd run out of money eventually and had to earn more in game.
Woolie plays the perfect devil's advocate here, I imagine the little +1 negative karma symbol from Fable popping up every time he throws out another retort. I swear by the end I can see horns sprouting out of his head.
I agree but calm down, there are an awful lot of cocklickers out here and if you're gonna get sick every time one comes along you will be in an Iron Lung within a week. The Activision Cocklickers alone would put you in a Quarantine zone
When you started talking about CEO's being on the box, my mind went directly to the one dominos ad in japan with the president of the company talking about Hatsune Miku.
The people who don't get it by now will never get it, because they were confronted with "logic makes your arguments wrong" and concluded that LOGIC is the problem.
I copy and pasted a comment I made in a different thread about this exact topic. I do think the advent of quality of gaming journalism (and things around the culture) has taken a dive really since the old guard of printing gaming magazines. PSM, Nintendo Power, Old Game Informer etc. Like I enjoy quality interviews, news about the gaming landscape as a whole, retrospective pieces, diverse opinions from people who are the fans of certain genres (I.E. NOT putting someone who hates RPGs to review a RPG), ideas on what could be next, bringing up issues that are legit problems for people who actually want to break into the industry and don't want to get fucked that are talked about seriously and is researched properly with facts and data backing up their conclusions, getting feedback and love sections for their fans (Like I really Appreciate Game Informer still taking Fan Art and doing a mailbag in the opening pages) and obviously still having looks up coming games, and giving out fair reviews. THATS what I want. I dont want "The fishing was too hard" "Too much water" "This game too hard" "Not enough story" and the newest and dumbest not even about games "Two hours of Monsters hitting each other and not enough story."
Yep. It wasn't Ron, it was your self-insert who just got sorted at Hogwarts and was locked in a closet by a bully, where you were designed to run out of "energy" right when you're trying to pull Devil's Snare from around your neck. (Note: if you want to play the visual novel without paying for energy or cosmetics, it's pretty easy to find a modded apk.)
@@k.-flynn sorry but I didn't really care about Matt talking about Terrace House and the no budget horror movies he watched every week when he was on the podcast.
I really like how this video's becoming more relevant now that EA appears to be rebranding their sports games so they can stop paying for the FIFA license lmao.
If these CSB clips have taught me anything it is that: a) Woolie would be a ruthless yet incredibly succesful businessman, b) Woolie would be a ruthless yet incredibly succesful cult leader, and c) Pat and Woolie would be a ruthless yet incredibly succesful duo of video game company CEO's
I mean, if you actually take issue with prostitution you're either: a) a puritan b) a puritan in denial c) a SWERF (and in the end most likely puritanical in nature) d) a larping tankie who just is a SWERF but with extra steps ("Sex work is work, all work is coercion, what is coercive sex called" is their 'reasoning' and it's fucking stupid, it's like they never heard the phrase how not every rectangle is a square... also they end up basically larping as a catholic most of the time anyways, so again: puritanical)
@@RenegadeSparks Oh that makes sense considering the majority of male homosexuals have had sexual experiences at a young age or have been molested (Comparative Data of Childhood and Adolescence Molestation in Heterosexual and Homosexual Persons; Marie E. Tomeo, Donald I. Templer, Susan Anderson, Debra Kotler. Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse; Dr. Timothy Daily) Thanks for proving my point bucko.
If you are losing money on a product that requires you to pay a debt to sports officials... maybe you dont make a product that is equivalent to digging your own grave...
37:40 What he's describing is still bribery. Attempting to influence someone based upon gifts, or giving gifts that could be interpreted as such, is bribery. I work as a federal contractor and legit had training that said I couldn't accept a pen. An ink-filled tube in plastic casing, pen, can't be accepted because it's considered bribery. So, basically any gesture with a monetary value.
The licenses are that expensive because they were already making tons of money from microtransactions. They saw how much money they were making and realized that they could charge much more. So the argument that they need microtransactions to afford the license is only because of microtransactions in the first place. Also, this is assuming that the license will always be worth that much.
My question now is: If this bill happens then what happens to Overwatch? Their loot boxes are not for extra content, advantages, secret characters, special items, or anything important. Overwatch is purely cosmetic.
they can start selling the cosmetics directly. "you want Skin X for Character Y? give us 5 dollars." if anything it could increase the profit margins, depending on what prices the individual skins had, and how desirable they are(meaning that the artists/modelers will need to make every individual skin look good).
Here's the solution. Don't ban lootboxes, just make the games that have them an automatic AO rating from the ESRB (or your national equivalent, such as Pegi)
They need to be banned. Sure, AO-Rated games are rare af. Not alot of games get that rating, and the few that do are never on store shelves. Loot Boxes wouldnt make much money then, but they'd still make money, and you know EA wouls make the most out of a Loot Box technicality if they could, and games with loot boxes would still be screwed. Loot Boxes need to be banned entirely, so no one can use them at all, and every game wouldnt have them.
Loot boxes should be banned. My first encounter with Lootboxes: Overwatch. My very first thought was "Why cant I just earn these legit?" And earning them legit is "Play until you are given a free loot box and if you get enough coins from dupes THEN you can buy ONE THING of your choice earned from maybe 25 GODDAMN DUPES." Its disgusting, I'd even take the "Play the Game for 40 hours to unlock" or "Win 20 matches in a row" because those are depend on Skill and then ONLY THEN maybe have a "Buy costume for a buck". I almost think for a moment that DOA has the right idea but they are just as if not even more gross with their buying costumes. It's a tragedy that Micro Transactions, Pre-release DLC, and B2P are all less gross than straight up Gatcha and Loot Boxes.
@@2la84me Those usual "Win 20 matches" tasks wouldve been terrible in Overwatch, because winning boils down to being lucky that the rigged matchmaking doesnt put you on a shitty team.
@@2la84me Skins being locked behind rigged, gambling Loot Boxes that people would have no choice but to buy *tons* of to get, is just as bad as pay-to-win Microtransactions. Dont try to say "Its just cosmetics", because that response is always a silly one. Especially now when Epic alone, knows what they're doing when they lock the cool skins behind paywalls. Its just as manipulative. In fact, kids get made fun of, if they have the default skins. So, there's this fear of missing out, kids that dont have the cool skins will be tempted to get the skins that others bought & show off, and give in. In fact, Blizzard does that in *two* ways, Loot Boxes(especially Event specific ones. Making it more mandatory to just pay, because once an event is over, you cant get certain skins again. Not until the next anniversary), and over-charging for that one Genji skin, Tracer skin, and Mercy skin(dont bother mentioning charity, Blizzard used that just to avoid criticism. And it was a test, they went on to over-charge for those Genji & Tracer skins).
This is full stop the stupidest argument. 'No loot boxes mean they can't afford the billion dollar licenses that mean the sports game no exist.' Or you know the NFL NBA etc... have to lower their fees. Its that simple. That the licenses cost what they do isn't set in stone. God did not come down and declare that what these things have to cost. If the games can't be made without loot boxes at that price point than the leagues either kiss the profits coming from games goodbye for good out of sheer pettiness (not going to happen) or reach some kind of deal with developers to reflect the new anti-loot box laws. This is all assuming that there is a grain of truth to the claim that they can't make these games without loot boxes which I don't exactly believe.
Differences between "greedy" capitalism and capitalism: - It affects me (a well-off individual lucky to be born in a middle/upper class family, in a system that depends on disparity and exponentially increasing the gap between the few rich and many poor) in particular - Literally nothing else Bring guillotines back
"Capitalism is the increase of wealth and it's been a pretty good system so far, I think" Capitalism is a system predicated on accumulating capital, hence the name, which has two notable inherent features: 1. Nothing in that definition is connected to ethics. Ethics are only involved insofar as they are useful (see the story you're talking about) 2. That accumulation of capital is only useful in the context of inequality. You can only have buying power relative to people who don't. Capitalism has done some impressive things, but calling it good is questionable. Using capitalism as a mindless boogeyman is stupid, obviously, but there have also been serious critiques of it for like a century and a half now, and they are mostly widely available.
@@objectivelybad I didn't say anything about communism. If you think a critique of capitalism inevitably involves communism, then it sounds to me like you're the dialectical materialist here.
"That accumulation of capital is only useful in the context of inequality. You can only have buying power relative to people who don't." True, but inequality is an inevitable fact of life, because people are different from one another in a wide variety of ways, even if one wanted to argue that many of those differences were more of a subjective "apples and oranges" thing then direct measurable better or worse ability/traits(and I don't think anybody will argue that those don't exist too), you can't say that apples and oranges are "equal" now can you? you can't force equality upon such things without being unfair to someone, not to mention that whoever is enforcing such things inevitably has to be in an unequal position to those they regulate in order to be capable to doing their job.
Sports is another fandom, I see a lot of similarities. Beyond the sport games, Stadium ticket prices are rising, merchandies get more expansive and with soccer in the EU, broadcasted matches are seperated between 3 subscription services. Everything with a premium tier and a standard garbage tier. We'll see how long that is sustainable. Sport Games still Top the sale charts constantly in germany, FIFA is all the rage. I guess the leagues and peer presure still ship the most copies.
Pat, you have obviously never been to England, I’ve lived here for 4 years after moving from Canada. And I can tell you that people can get really get dumb. Way beyond what you could logically expect.
I mean... can they just, like... *not* put lootboxes in sports games? Do they *have* to be a thing? (DO sports games nowadays have them? I don't keep up with them, honestly)
Sports games have had lootboxes since 2011. This has also led to a steady decline in their actual sales figures. The last Madden game didn't even ship a million copies.
Sometimes it's Woolie defense case to just give a defense case irritates me. It's like Joe Rogan, when certain things comes to light you can see the rust gears in his head slowly turnung, but still not getting that what he is saying is wrong. and I don't mean acting as the guys to get the other point of view. I mean after that, when he is not trying to call someone a dumbass or a piece of shit so hard that what he is saying is sounding kinda dumb and uninfomed
I'm completely in agreement with you, I think sometimes Woolz should feel more comfortable just calling like he sees it instead of hoping to remain completely neutral until 110% of the facts come out. It's that weird devils advocate urge taken to an extreme, but at least he isn't Liam level. I remember one time on the old podcast Liam was being passive aggressive to Pat because Pat had the audacity to "assume" that EA is a bad company or that their reputation was in the shitter (Outlandish, right?) or something mundane like that. And the whole time Pat is just flabbergasted at the pointless argument about whether or not EA is a scumfish in a shitlake. Never go Liam Level Contrarian.
Well I get the arguement but I do have to say almost my entire friend group just bought madden 19 and we've been having a good time playing on and off games and the franchise mode without having to buy any loot boxes or anything of the sort
Remember Madden '98? Did that game have loot boxes? Well then how did they pay for those super expensive licenses? Seriously, they'll be fine without convincing kids to steal their parents' credit cards.
Seems like a completely different market too, I remember people saying that whenever EA shifted to the sport games during their E3 conferences more than half of their twitch views leave the stream.
I miss the days of the arcade. Sure, you had to pump money into them to play, but the premise was up front. They didn't charge us money to own the game, THEN ask for more for extra stuff.
Oh no, now in order to make money, sports games may have to try instead of just making mild cosmetic changes each year. No one told EA loot boxes in their games would lead to having to put in actual effort. This bill must be stopped!
The game that added more difficulty that I can remember post game launch is Xenoblade 2. They added a challenge mode, bringer of chaos difficulty, and they gave players the parameters they use to make every encounter. Thus , tweaking the game to how you want it.
I adore Woolie’s greasy mobster CEO persona.
Jorg the Mercenary Spearman Woolie as EA Mr. Shakedown. I feel blessed.
"Persona"?
@@Bizarrejoe PERSONA!!
@@Bizarrejoe "Per...so..na..."
So do we name the persona after some greasy demonic merchant or do we name it after a song?
I really don't understand why people keep defending the industry. "Oh no, the poor multi-billion dollar company might make a million less! Quick, exploit my children!"
@@arosbastion7052 For an adult with a properly functioning brain, yes. It is that easy. But we aren't talking about adults, we're talking about kids. Kids that are dumb and easy to take advantage of, which is predominantly who spend the most on Loot boxes because they're dumb. And easy to take advantage of.
@@Zhall0430 Show me statistics of all these kids who turned into gambling addicts from loot boxes. Oh that's right you can't because the people screaming about "muh children are being corrupted" online are 1)childless,2)only pay attention to unique fringe cases that make the news like when some millionaires kid spends a couple thousand dollars on lootboxes 3)actually don't care about kids at all and just use a convenient moral panic hyperbole strawman to feel righteous about dedicating constant energy and time to bitch about optional meaningless skins in a video game.
@@Zhall0430 It ain't just kids they're taking advantage of though, In EA's case it's more the sports fans and the impatient ones who have the cash to burn.
DevilDagger Well not to say that it would justify it in your eyes but, like they say in the podcast, the children argument is a new tactic since apparently just saying "loot boxes are scummy and make video games worse" isn't good enough anymore. Also in this specific case the writer talks about how without children specifically spending irresponsible amounts of money it would hurt sports games, not just adults or video gamers in general, which makes it sound like he openly accepts that it's necessary which sounds sorta shitty.
@@vivena9 Saying I can't find statistics is an assumption, not a fact. No one is arguing about cosmetic microtransactions. An upfront optional purchase of a skin or skins is perfectly fine as long as you know exactly what it is you're purchasing. That isn't gambling, that's buying a product. However, when you go from that, to putting down money for the CHANCE of getting something that you want, is when you cross into gambling territory. (Here's the definition if you don't want to take my word for it www.dictionary.com/browse/gambling ) And whether you want to admit it or not, gambling is something that is addictive.
As an American, I think I can safely say the way the Article used the "Free Market" argument is stupid. Someone needs to remind the author that THE US MARKET HAS REGULATIONS AGAINST GAMBLING. In Casinos in the US, They are required to have the odds avalible to show the gamblers, and there is a strict age limit of over 18. The US isn't completely Free Market. In fact, We have a shit ton of regulations for literally everything!
It’s not a free market if you have a monopoly on the sports license
And a lot of those regulations have been FUCKING FANTASTIC for the public good. Restricting advertisements for shit like tobacco and alcohol, and forcing transparency in a ton of industries that had the potential for, and at the time were, predatory, is spectacular.
I feel like most hardcore libertarians would agree that predatory child gambling violates the NAP.
Ayn Rand has entered chat...^-^
You prolly dont give a damn but does anyone know of a tool to log back into an instagram account?
I somehow lost my account password. I would appreciate any tips you can offer me.
It's rare these days to see Pat exude legit anger. I savior moments like this.
Actually angry Pat is my favorite Pat.
He's Angriest Pat.
Righteous angriest path is the over heaven veriso.
Every time Pat has genuine righteous anger his STAND increases in power. What will happen next...
@@In-The-Zone Last time he had righteous anger Crazy Talk made GRRM promise to trap himself on an Island if he doesn't finish his next book on time. We need more righteous anger Pat.
>"does it apply to me?"
Yes, they called Pat a pie stealer.
What the fuck, that's too far.
Woah. That's messed up. My heart goes out for him.
That's, like, a VERBAL MKvsDC Kano fatality.
Pie stealer with a hard R.
“What is that Arthur C. Clarke quote? ”Don’t attribute to malice what could easily be attributed to incompetence.” Yeah, but that doesn’t rule out malice!” - Gordon Freemen
@@RipOffProductionsLLC What would be defined as retarded malice? The malice that turns out to be self-destructive?
@@gabrielperrella Think a cartoon villain, like Skeletor.
@@VileVamp But we love Skeltor!
@@VileVamp Oh. I see it now. Evil for the sake of being evil.
Isn't that by definition a sadist, though?
Woolie is frighteningly good at playing the Devil's Advocate...
They did once test out if Woolie could convince people to join his "cult" on the podcast. And he was a fuckin' pro at it instantly. So i'm not really surprised.
Honestly, whenever Woolie gives up on the streaming/LPing game, we should all be very scared because he will become the single most dangerous corporate shill man in existence.
Woolie’s ability to become the literal devil is only held back by his strong moral and ethical beliefs. If he ever loses those, we should all be worried
@@TheGrifter42 Woolie VS The World
It’s a borderline superpower
Man, I wish I had a friend pretending to champion a mindset I hate so I can scream at him how wrong he is.
Evil Woolie was amazing.
True Woolie if you will
@@PunishedBlake SHIN Woolie.
Makin' it rain ni mezameta Woolie
Sin woolie trigger
ONI WOOLIE
Sarcastic Woolie is a thing to behold
Remember fellas, It's OUR OWN FAULT that companies have to suck us dry of our money!
Please understand, it's for our own GOOD, for realsies! :)
"realsies".... perfection
Of course it our fault! Just look at how we were dressed!
@@munnypantz our body language literally says "take our money!!!"
@Andrew Whiting do you not get the joke or are you making fun of people who might not get the joke?
if its the latter then I didn't get your joke and I'm SoRrY
The bill will kill sports games?
I SEE THIS AS AN ABSOLUTE WIN!
Put the poor thing down, it shouldn't live like this.
Then revive it with indie devs. That'd be cool.
*Maybe I spent 500 or 600 on loot boxes*
Pat, come on...it was over 800. The internet never forgets.
circular7 remember when he ran out of money and shoved paige into the TV?
... he only got 1 loot box for her... and it was a uncommon
...wait, what?
I remember watching Pat open those HotS boxes and losing his mind, that was enough for me to go "hey, wait a minute..."
Pat spending exorbitant amounts of money on Warframe was the one that got me. That shit was hilarious, and also concerning.
I wish I was around for that because that sounds bananas. Maybe someone will link something for me if you feel generous.
@@2la84me Not the HotS thing but still a hilarious display of Pat's vitual drug adiction in action ruclips.net/video/JuofwKWpoLQ/видео.html
@@2la84me here's the one with hots lol ruclips.net/video/Rv3TaNq1brM/видео.html
Fun fact! The Invisible Hand is prooven to be fals on numorous occasion. The actorst of the market have to make consistant effort to be in a balance position.
Didn't Adam Smith only mention it like 3 times in his writings and also go into explicit detail about how it doesn't always work?
@@comingupooo Well the whole idea is that the market will correct itself automaticly. But there were several instance(economical crysis) where that did NOT happened and the government and the companies had to take active steps to correct it.
"Do you really want the government to come in and control the market?" Normally, no I don't. But when the market is so determined to stonewall any change to benefit the consumers that it will actively MOCK AND BELITTLE THEM for being displeased with a product, then they only have themselves to blame when said consumers turn to government regulation.
I 100% agree with you. At a certain point government regulation is the only option. Because they are clearly not going regulate themselves.
I think customers having the self control(or parents monitoring their kids) to stop buying stuff from the shitty companies would be a better solution, and thankfully the food and drink sellers aren't this bad, but yeah at this point these assholes need to get their shit kicked in in a way that actually hurts them quickly, and with clear cause, much like Ross Scotts crusade to get "Games As A Service" regulated to stop it from killing games and rendering them unplayable once devs/publishers pull their support.
@@RipOffProductionsLLC they already talked about this in the video
RipOffProductionsLLC
Your not wrong, thing is those “parents” don’t parent. They don’t actually get involved with their kids lives and teach them stuff. People are fucking stupid so by this point government regulations need to happen.
@@RavenCloak13 Its bad all around. There is no accounting for taste nowadays and it's like almost nobody seems to care what kind of content children are playing. NOW I am the LAST person who cares about what kids are playing but it becomes a problem when it affects the real world.
I think the solution for parents is kinda simple if they continue to be trash parents. Just buy them a 3DS or a Switch because Nintendo has always been consistent with keeping games fun and scum free (for the children I'd like to think on the whole)
I think Sony and Microsoft really let this trend get out of hand as well.
The idea that these multi-billion dollar, big name franchises that have existed for years before microtransactions were a thing can only continue on if they are allowed to keep exploiting children and those with gambling addictions is so patently absurd that it's insulting that industry defenders would go to it as a justification. And if it were true (which it isn't) then maybe those franchises deserve to die out.
Never forget the guy who stole his parent's credit card and then STILL went into debt to the yakuza over a single gacha. He was like 30 but at that point he still qualifies as a child really.
Not a child - possibly a dependent - but CERTAINLY an addict.
And guess what? If you make money at the expense of an addict, your business is evil!
Pat kinda nailed something I felt about the whole Gamer™ movement, I love games and play them a crap ton but they're not a life or death subject most of the time.
You mean the people that get fired when the higher ups want to reach profit margins.
There was some thing I saw where it was like "Oh yeah, I play a decent amount of video games" "Oh so you're a gamer?" "First of all how fucking dare you" and it speaks to my soul.
Ohoho, this will be so good!
Let's get the Angriest Pat we can get!
Of course sports games need to have predatory monetization! It's not like they existed just fine before said predatory monetization! The very first sports games came out a couple of years ago alongside microtransactions, they are basically inseparable!!! SMH at those entitled gamers always complaining, like, they are so toxic!
Now, when you say child gambling, do you mean getting kids to gamble or gambling with children being the object of the bet?
oddly enough one is slightly more socially acceptable than the other and that's weird
yes
No, we already have ladder matches for that.
@@Sarusig "come on Jonny!! you want that new toy don't ya!? well, you better get it before billy and its all the way at the top of that ladder!!!"
No, you gamble and the prize is a child. This is the true "child gambling"
Pat, opinion pieces are literally paid for. EA paid that person to write that. Its why there are laws in place to make news companies say they are opinion articles.
I thought you legally had to disclose if it was paid for or not?
@@Abdega Who's gonna actually enforce that?
Won’t someone please think of the shareholders?
WillyFresh92 how you get out of the TV!?
I'm just a poor widdle millionare bonus pls UwU
BUT BUT THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS!
Here's the thing about government regulation. Yeah, you probably don't want their fingers in literally everything all the time. But also corporations are completely amoral and will do a) whatever makes the money and b) to that end, whatever they can get away with. When they weasel around existing gambling laws, and do so in a market that has a large percentage of minors...it might be time for big g to step in and say "no".
Are pokemon cards gambling? What about MTG cards, yugioh cards, basketball cards, baseball cards, etc. They're basically cardboard lootboxes. They're also targeted at minors.
Should they also be banned? Should we threaten physical violence at people in a consensual activity? We shouldn't be using the government to threaten to point guns at people for liking things we don't like. Just don't buy them. And convince other people not to buy them with your words.
Wanting to have government step in is the same attitude that got alcohol and marijuana banned. And those were very difficult to overturn when we realized it was a bad idea.
The Lightning Goza and even now we still haven't managed to overturn those bans for children! Big Government meddling in what my kids can smoke and drink, smh
@@HermitBlake Poor us, if only parents could parent their kids. Good thing we have government to be mommy and daddy for them, and for us while they're at it.
@@SlackisDead I know this is old, but here is the thing. The reason you have age limits, and have limits when it comes to advertising to children, is because they are some of the most vulnerable people in the world when it comes to predatory behaviors. Children don't have the ability to think for themselves like most other people, it is why they have guardians to protect them and make decisions for them. But that is not failproof. Children will still do stupid shit, stupid shit like buying alchohol, smoking, and gambling. They will do this no matter what, even if the guardian tries to get them to stop, so there needs to be something more to be done here. This is why child laws were put in place because there needed to be extra insurance to protect kids from themselves and from falling into the hands of predatory companies who had no care in the world if a child was using their product. To them it meant more dollars, and a new audience to sell to, so those companies needed to be handled which meant all companies needed to be handled the same way. Here, with loot boxes, the same thing is happening. Kids are doing stupid shit, and companies are facilitating it, even if not all of them are. Which means regulations need to be taken.
Slap that child out of the corporation's hands
Pat begrudgingly condemning capitalism fills be with joy, I can't wait for more.
This 'problem' didn't exist before they realised how much money they could make through turning games into gambling sims. But now that they do know suddenly there's all of these costs for graphics and sports licenses that they just can't pay off without exploiting people.
The money's not spent on updating graphics and shit. It's spent to make sure those poor, hungry CEOs don't go a day without the fanciest food.
@@PunishedBlake And the most stupid part is that the "extra money" is actually never spent, it is just deposited in a bank account and added to those millions. These greedy men will NEVER spend all their money, what if he has 5 million extra cash on his bank account? He already has 20 million.
@@takezokimura2571 It's like a dragon hording gold. It doesn't spend it.
@White-Van Helsing Now this is a game I would play
@@PunishedBlake those loot boxes keep CEO's well supplied with lobster thermidor.
Its actually nauseating at how some ppl are like "yeah man let children, like ages 7-12 gamble because fuck it they'll give us that delicious delicious parent credit card and fuck these kids who have gambling addictions because were a billion dollars richer"
"There's only so dumb you can expect people to be."
Pat, did you not work in retail for 8 years? Do you not remember what that's like? Is it repressed from your memory?
Yeah but those are just average everyday stupidity. This is advanced stupidity. Especially coming from a website you'd expect to have some integrity.
You kinda have to, otherwise you develop issues.
This honestly needs to be played at colleges and universities with dev courses. This shit would be a great classroom debate.
Sports games were a mistake. Play dating sims, people.
It's true though, tell me how dating sims have majorly harmed the gaming market like how sport games and their monetization methods have, you basically can't outside of some people whining that seeing anime tits on steam is somehow bad.
@@Kydino hmmm...
*keeps weebs happy
*keeps weebs away from the outside world
*inspires some good rule 34
I see no issues indeed
The obvious solution here is to include a game mode where you can date the athletes
@@pyropoyo So just the Fate series, but instead of historical figures, it's famous athletes?
... Dude. Sell that. Sell that and disappear before you get disappeared, because that is some water-powered engine shit right there.
@@Kydino Hikikomoris love that shit. Let them be happy with their imaginary waifus that aren't actually real and will never love them. Let those losers ignore the message Miyazaki/Anno/Kon have been trying to tell for decades because they need their overpriced figurines. And I ain't going further than that because it gets real sketch, real fast.
Remember, it is in the best interests of the people at the top of the pile to get the people at the bottom of the pile to fight each other.
It's only now, that I realize Woolie's last name is LITERALLY Madden.
He wasn't playing a character out of desire, he was literally being "Mr. Madden" in the situation.
Also. Polygon. Doom gameplay demo.
NEVER FORGET.
@@FlameHidden Polygon greenlit and published a demo of the first level of doom.
Noone said that you have to be a pro at games to be a journalist, far from it. But the level of skill displayed there is so, breathtakingly incompetent to the point where a lot of people thought the game/controller had problems working.
@@FlameHidden Look up 'Polygon plays Doom' on the search bar right now.
A sight to behold. While I don't think you need to be an MLG level player to report on gaming, you should be at least above average.
Katsas Georgios this sounds like ign and cuphead.
@@agarciahunter In this case, cuphead is the son while doom is the dad.
What about that one time they uploaded a video reviewing a virtual reality gun range thing, but the reviewer spent the whole thing talking about how he doesn't like guns and how they make him feel, instead of actually talking about the game at all?
Feels like it's the 50's again.
"Make sure you buy from the EA product line of buttplugs and lube! Make your family an EA Family!"
Companies in the 1950’s actually paid their employees and rewarded loyalty to the company for both consumers and employees.
That’s completely out of the window now
Boy i cant wait to replay this for them in a year or so, when Pat and Woolie are literally covered Hat to Socks in Roosterteeth merchandise, doing 15 minutes minecraft videos with Gavin and Alfredo.
This aged insanely well
How dare people refer to pat as a nougat, thats offensive
Le nougat
Cringin2000 i thought they called him a Norwegian.
Nougats taste great,its a compliment.
A chicken nugget.
Look just because Pat has really stubby limb and looks like a bald Ronnie Flynn doesn't mean you can just call him a McNugget.
15:04 Glad to see Pat has come to terms with his crack addiction
SOMEBODY THINK OF THE COOPERATIONS
The gaming industry as a whole is a free market but Sports games are not. Who ever has the license has a monopoly on that genre of sports. The license holder functions like a government entity that sanctions a monopoly like how Royal Charter companies used to function. So no wonder sports game became this.
Darn you centrally planned economics!
Can't we all just be sad about this general statement: there is now gambling in video games?
Gambling in video games is nothing new, the oldest examples are just straight up gambling which is why they aren't seen in the same way. It shouldn't be a surprise considering how often video games replicate the implications of a gamble. Also remember that gambling itself isn't inherently bad, its the idea that pushing it without thought for the games integrity and potentially warping a young minds perception of risk and reward. I can see a future where both of these issue's are fixed and where gambling is more of a side feature.
Maybe rephrase that statement? The other guy is correct with their first statement, gambling has always existed in games like NES era back then. The problem is real money has come into play and its unregulated but in like Pokemon Red playing in the Casinos youd run out of money eventually and had to earn more in game.
Woolie plays the perfect devil's advocate here, I imagine the little +1 negative karma symbol from Fable popping up every time he throws out another retort. I swear by the end I can see horns sprouting out of his head.
It is a damn shame considering I love NBA Street Vol. 2 and we will never give this type of game ever again.
EA cocklickers make me sick.
I hope the edit was changing bootlickers to cocklickers
I agree but calm down, there are an awful lot of cocklickers out here and if you're gonna get sick every time one comes along you will be in an Iron Lung within a week.
The Activision Cocklickers alone would put you in a Quarantine zone
*sigh* Bootlickers*
I second this. I don't play sports games. I love NBA Street Vol.2.
I'd love a new NFL blitz
When you started talking about CEO's being on the box, my mind went directly to the one dominos ad in japan with the president of the company talking about Hatsune Miku.
That's still the best and we will never forget Dominos X Hatsune Miku.
And people wonder why Game Journalism as a business is currently hemorrhaging to death
The people who don't get it by now will never get it, because they were confronted with "logic makes your arguments wrong" and concluded that LOGIC is the problem.
Gamergate was pretty much it's last chance to improve. The smear campaign sealed it's fate.
I copy and pasted a comment I made in a different thread about this exact topic.
I do think the advent of quality of gaming journalism (and things around the culture) has taken a dive really since the old guard of printing gaming magazines. PSM, Nintendo Power, Old Game Informer etc.
Like I enjoy quality interviews, news about the gaming landscape as a whole, retrospective pieces, diverse opinions from people who are the fans of certain genres (I.E. NOT putting someone who hates RPGs to review a RPG), ideas on what could be next, bringing up issues that are legit problems for people who actually want to break into the industry and don't want to get fucked that are talked about seriously and is researched properly with facts and data backing up their conclusions, getting feedback and love sections for their fans (Like I really Appreciate Game Informer still taking Fan Art and doing a mailbag in the opening pages) and obviously still having looks up coming games, and giving out fair reviews. THATS what I want. I dont want "The fishing was too hard" "Too much water" "This game too hard" "Not enough story" and the newest and dumbest not even about games "Two hours of Monsters hitting each other and not enough story."
Damn someone called pat tall.
Man Woolie's scumbag CEO persona is on point. Award winning acting right here.
Also I saw this story on my feed and kinda just payed no mind to it cause I read “Sports Games”
Bill poses a real threat to make sports game fun to earn money
This next Polygon hit piece is gonna be real weird.
I can see it already. "Self admitted pie thief and baby man plot to destroy video games."
I don't think it was Ron Weasely being strangled, but your player-created avatar.
Its still child strangling
If pat played and created a character based on himself, it would essentially be Ron weasley, because he is a shit eater.
@White-Van Helsing All the bitches whos backs he's blown out with his giant ginger hog. RIP Weasley, gone but not forgotten.
Yep. It wasn't Ron, it was your self-insert who just got sorted at Hogwarts and was locked in a closet by a bully, where you were designed to run out of "energy" right when you're trying to pull Devil's Snare from around your neck.
(Note: if you want to play the visual novel without paying for energy or cosmetics, it's pretty easy to find a modded apk.)
@White-Van Helsing I would pay *EXTRA* for Ron to be strangled tbh
Jfc, Woolie was prepared to answer those hypotheticals from Pat...
Darkside woolie was great in this episode
this is an incredible podcast title
Thanks, I spent like 1 whole minute picking it.
did someone really call Pat that certain word that starts with a N over this?
Yes, someone called Pat a nimrod. Pretty unnecessary
MRS OBAMA GET DOWN
They called him a nagger. But we both know Pat doesn't nag, that's Woolie.
@@j0anbug Exactly. You don't wanna make the same mistake Randy did in that episode of South Park.
It's the Internet, when is that not a go to insult
I swear, removing Matt enhanced the quality of these podcasts by a million %
No longer have to hear about the awful movies and shows he watches for an hour.
@@YeTheGOATNoCap what the fuck kind of shit opinion is this?
"The Misses and me..."
@@k.-flynn sorry but I didn't really care about Matt talking about Terrace House and the no budget horror movies he watched every week when he was on the podcast.
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Woolie isn't just good at devil's advocate, he's so good he actually throws Pat for a loop, taking a near strawman and giving it a genuine argument
I really like how this video's becoming more relevant now that EA appears to be rebranding their sports games so they can stop paying for the FIFA license lmao.
Yep it's almost like if your business model doesn't work you should change it!
Capitalism 101 you stupid CEOs.
If these CSB clips have taught me anything it is that: a) Woolie would be a ruthless yet incredibly succesful businessman, b) Woolie would be a ruthless yet incredibly succesful cult leader, and c) Pat and Woolie would be a ruthless yet incredibly succesful duo of video game company CEO's
Pat said the most important think of this life when he mentioned NBA Street Vol 2!!!! Pat, props man 🤩.
The random take of “if you don’t like prostitution you’re a Puritan” from Woolie is the best summarization of the modern political landscape.
I mean, if you actually take issue with prostitution you're either:
a) a puritan
b) a puritan in denial
c) a SWERF (and in the end most likely puritanical in nature)
d) a larping tankie who just is a SWERF but with extra steps ("Sex work is work, all work is coercion, what is coercive sex called" is their 'reasoning' and it's fucking stupid, it's like they never heard the phrase how not every rectangle is a square... also they end up basically larping as a catholic most of the time anyways, so again: puritanical)
@@RenegadeSparks I am proud of my puritanism of rejecting prostitution and pedophilia.
@Nemesis King Negro cool, such as?
@@RenegadeSparks Well I mean if you really want to bring up those stats the feel free haus.
@@RenegadeSparks Oh that makes sense considering the majority of male homosexuals have had sexual experiences at a young age or have been molested (Comparative Data of Childhood and Adolescence Molestation in Heterosexual and Homosexual Persons; Marie E. Tomeo, Donald I. Templer, Susan Anderson, Debra Kotler.
Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse; Dr. Timothy Daily) Thanks for proving my point bucko.
If you are losing money on a product that requires you to pay a debt to sports officials... maybe you dont make a product that is equivalent to digging your own grave...
"What about our stock holders Pat? Who's helping them out??!!" ^-^
2019: "Only child gambling can save sports"
2020: *Only marble racing gambling can save sports*
37:40 What he's describing is still bribery. Attempting to influence someone based upon gifts, or giving gifts that could be interpreted as such, is bribery.
I work as a federal contractor and legit had training that said I couldn't accept a pen. An ink-filled tube in plastic casing, pen, can't be accepted because it's considered bribery. So, basically any gesture with a monetary value.
Also, nice of the article not to ask why the license is $1.1 billion. When it wasn't last time that license agreement was made. Good Gaems Jurnalizm
Ah finally, enough of these under 10 minute clips for the week. You guys had me worried.
Great talk have noting to add but great talk.
The licenses are that expensive because they were already making tons of money from microtransactions. They saw how much money they were making and realized that they could charge much more. So the argument that they need microtransactions to afford the license is only because of microtransactions in the first place. Also, this is assuming that the license will always be worth that much.
i for one appreciate Pat's evolution from "capitalism is pretty good" to "stock trading is fraud!"
My question now is: If this bill happens then what happens to Overwatch?
Their loot boxes are not for extra content, advantages, secret characters, special items, or anything important. Overwatch is purely cosmetic.
they can start selling the cosmetics directly. "you want Skin X for Character Y? give us 5 dollars." if anything it could increase the profit margins, depending on what prices the individual skins had, and how desirable they are(meaning that the artists/modelers will need to make every individual skin look good).
Here's the solution. Don't ban lootboxes, just make the games that have them an automatic AO rating from the ESRB (or your national equivalent, such as Pegi)
They need to be banned. Sure, AO-Rated games are rare af. Not alot of games get that rating, and the few that do are never on store shelves. Loot Boxes wouldnt make much money then, but they'd still make money, and you know EA wouls make the most out of a Loot Box technicality if they could, and games with loot boxes would still be screwed.
Loot Boxes need to be banned entirely, so no one can use them at all, and every game wouldnt have them.
Loot boxes should be banned. My first encounter with Lootboxes: Overwatch. My very first thought was "Why cant I just earn these legit?" And earning them legit is "Play until you are given a free loot box and if you get enough coins from dupes THEN you can buy ONE THING of your choice earned from maybe 25 GODDAMN DUPES." Its disgusting, I'd even take the "Play the Game for 40 hours to unlock" or "Win 20 matches in a row" because those are depend on Skill and then ONLY THEN maybe have a "Buy costume for a buck". I almost think for a moment that DOA has the right idea but they are just as if not even more gross with their buying costumes.
It's a tragedy that Micro Transactions, Pre-release DLC, and B2P are all less gross than straight up Gatcha and Loot Boxes.
@@2la84me Those usual "Win 20 matches" tasks wouldve been terrible in Overwatch, because winning boils down to being lucky that the rigged matchmaking doesnt put you on a shitty team.
@@Walt_Xander94 Better in my book to have a near impossible goal than to temp my wallet for something that ostensibly does nothing to change gameplay.
@@2la84me Skins being locked behind rigged, gambling Loot Boxes that people would have no choice but to buy *tons* of to get, is just as bad as pay-to-win Microtransactions.
Dont try to say "Its just cosmetics", because that response is always a silly one. Especially now when Epic alone, knows what they're doing when they lock the cool skins behind paywalls. Its just as manipulative. In fact, kids get made fun of, if they have the default skins. So, there's this fear of missing out, kids that dont have the cool skins will be tempted to get the skins that others bought & show off, and give in.
In fact, Blizzard does that in *two* ways, Loot Boxes(especially Event specific ones. Making it more mandatory to just pay, because once an event is over, you cant get certain skins again. Not until the next anniversary), and over-charging for that one Genji skin, Tracer skin, and Mercy skin(dont bother mentioning charity, Blizzard used that just to avoid criticism. And it was a test, they went on to over-charge for those Genji & Tracer skins).
This is full stop the stupidest argument. 'No loot boxes mean they can't afford the billion dollar licenses that mean the sports game no exist.' Or you know the NFL NBA etc... have to lower their fees. Its that simple. That the licenses cost what they do isn't set in stone. God did not come down and declare that what these things have to cost. If the games can't be made without loot boxes at that price point than the leagues either kiss the profits coming from games goodbye for good out of sheer pettiness (not going to happen) or reach some kind of deal with developers to reflect the new anti-loot box laws.
This is all assuming that there is a grain of truth to the claim that they can't make these games without loot boxes which I don't exactly believe.
Differences between "greedy" capitalism and capitalism:
- It affects me (a well-off individual lucky to be born in a middle/upper class family, in a system that depends on disparity and exponentially increasing the gap between the few rich and many poor) in particular
- Literally nothing else
Bring guillotines back
Pat "Not Actually Crack" Boivin
Sarcastic Woolie is one of the few beings able to match the sandbagging champ known as Minh.
"Capitalism is the increase of wealth and it's been a pretty good system so far, I think"
Capitalism is a system predicated on accumulating capital, hence the name, which has two notable inherent features:
1. Nothing in that definition is connected to ethics. Ethics are only involved insofar as they are useful (see the story you're talking about)
2. That accumulation of capital is only useful in the context of inequality. You can only have buying power relative to people who don't.
Capitalism has done some impressive things, but calling it good is questionable.
Using capitalism as a mindless boogeyman is stupid, obviously, but there have also been serious critiques of it for like a century and a half now, and they are mostly widely available.
Communism is trash, kid
@@objectivelybad I didn't say anything about communism. If you think a critique of capitalism inevitably involves communism, then it sounds to me like you're the dialectical materialist here.
@@objectivelybad HE CRITICIZED CAPITALISM HE MUST BE A COMMY BUT YOU CALLED HIM A COMMY U MUST BE A NAZI, HUR DUR!
@White-Van Helsing no it's someone who's sexually attracted to a unified government no one's ever happy with
"That accumulation of capital is only useful in the context of inequality. You can only have buying power relative to people who don't."
True, but inequality is an inevitable fact of life, because people are different from one another in a wide variety of ways, even if one wanted to argue that many of those differences were more of a subjective "apples and oranges" thing then direct measurable better or worse ability/traits(and I don't think anybody will argue that those don't exist too), you can't say that apples and oranges are "equal" now can you? you can't force equality upon such things without being unfair to someone, not to mention that whoever is enforcing such things inevitably has to be in an unequal position to those they regulate in order to be capable to doing their job.
I’ve watched this segment so many times. Evergreen af
Sports is another fandom, I see a lot of similarities.
Beyond the sport games, Stadium ticket prices are rising, merchandies get more expansive and with soccer in the EU, broadcasted matches are seperated between 3 subscription services. Everything with a premium tier and a standard garbage tier. We'll see how long that is sustainable. Sport Games still Top the sale charts constantly in germany, FIFA is all the rage. I guess the leagues and peer presure still ship the most copies.
Castle Super Comrades Against Capitalism?
Hell yes
Pat, you have obviously never been to England, I’ve lived here for 4 years after moving from Canada. And I can tell you that people can get really get dumb. Way beyond what you could logically expect.
I wanna say there was a George Carlin quote where he said "Take the dumbest person you know. Now realize half the population is dumber than that."
I mean... can they just, like... *not* put lootboxes in sports games? Do they *have* to be a thing?
(DO sports games nowadays have them? I don't keep up with them, honestly)
Sports games have had lootboxes since 2011. This has also led to a steady decline in their actual sales figures. The last Madden game didn't even ship a million copies.
They could, but then the shareholders would be unhappy that the game isn't constantly making money.
@@bhelish Wow, sounds like I might've made the right move jumping ship early (I haven't touched a sports title since NHL '09)
Remember it's not enough to consistently make a profit. You have to constantly INCREASE profit to satisfy shareholders
Imagine working for the Loot box Regulatory Commission the way people work for agencies that over see casinos.
Fifa games will die?
GOOD.
If it dies, let's help pull the plug
It really won't, most people that play fifa avoid micro trnsactions ,where I live most people aren't even aware of that aspect of the game
I find it hard to believe when they're selling 17 million copies a year.
Sometimes it's Woolie defense case to just give a defense case irritates me. It's like Joe Rogan, when certain things comes to light you can see the rust gears in his head slowly turnung, but still not getting that what he is saying is wrong. and I don't mean acting as the guys to get the other point of view. I mean after that, when he is not trying to call someone a dumbass or a piece of shit so hard that what he is saying is sounding kinda dumb and uninfomed
I'm completely in agreement with you, I think sometimes Woolz should feel more comfortable just calling like he sees it instead of hoping to remain completely neutral until 110% of the facts come out. It's that weird devils advocate urge taken to an extreme, but at least he isn't Liam level. I remember one time on the old podcast Liam was being passive aggressive to Pat because Pat had the audacity to "assume" that EA is a bad company or that their reputation was in the shitter (Outlandish, right?) or something mundane like that. And the whole time Pat is just flabbergasted at the pointless argument about whether or not EA is a scumfish in a shitlake. Never go Liam Level Contrarian.
10:03 Beautiful Mob Moment
that guy could have rearranged the letters to make it applicable to pat,
what is up my ginga
Well I get the arguement but I do have to say almost my entire friend group just bought madden 19 and we've been having a good time playing on and off games and the franchise mode without having to buy any loot boxes or anything of the sort
Here we see a Pat actually angry.
“You can smells the boot polish on there breath.” I love this line.
Please tell Pat he said *there wrong, he meant *their im sure.
Its a good thing you isolated his speech spelling error though so I could correct it
No problem!
Last of us charged for an added difficulty mode
Woolie is really good at being a shiteating devil's advocate. I love it.
Remember Madden '98? Did that game have loot boxes? Well then how did they pay for those super expensive licenses?
Seriously, they'll be fine without convincing kids to steal their parents' credit cards.
>MFW the world is turning into the video game The Outer Worlds
Sports games are such a weird offshoot of videogames in general, honestly it's like an entirely different craft at this point
Seems like a completely different market too, I remember people saying that whenever EA shifted to the sport games during their E3 conferences more than half of their twitch views leave the stream.
I miss the days of the arcade. Sure, you had to pump money into them to play, but the premise was up front. They didn't charge us money to own the game, THEN ask for more for extra stuff.
Oh no, now in order to make money, sports games may have to try instead of just making mild cosmetic changes each year. No one told EA loot boxes in their games would lead to having to put in actual effort. This bill must be stopped!
The game that added more difficulty that I can remember post game launch is Xenoblade 2. They added a challenge mode, bringer of chaos difficulty, and they gave players the parameters they use to make every encounter. Thus , tweaking the game to how you want it.
Pat go on Chapo
Pat seems like he's ten degrees from becoming an anti-capitalist.
Gloppie go outside
I for one welcome the future in which the worker's revolution is lead by our stubby ginger.
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