Trope Talk: Pure Evil
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Today let's talk about those paragons of villainy sometimes referred to as "disney evil"; those beacons of menace, those icons of charisma, those unrepentant monsters that DEFINE the meaning of malice. Who's your favorite Pure Evil villain, and what's your favorite part of their villainous breakdown?
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Sympathetic villains:
“Am I the villain? Oh no”
Pure villains:
“Am I the villain? Yes, do I care? No”
"Am i the villain?"
"Of course!"
-General M.Bison in the street fighter movie
Sympathetic villain: wait my captain has been lying?
Pure villain: those were some delicous orphans
This what I love about Fisk or Lex Luthor. They literally accept that they are villains and embrace it
@@Mr_Mistah Lex says he has a lofty motive, but deep down knows he just wants to be the most powerful, and sees Superman as his main obstacle.
What about a villain who wants to conquer the galaxy, but wants to do so so he can genuinely solve its problems, and this villain treats his high command as though they were family(and they return this sentiment, which says a lot about how things work in his empire.), plus despite his tendency to conquer, he tries his hardest not to oppress those he rules, among other very high standards. lastly, he likes giant superweapons, but only uses them against military targets. Where would that fall on the sliding scale of super villainy in your opinions?(frankly, the character in question, made by me, is more of a crazed man-child living out his space villain fantasies than anything else.)
“Murder soulmate” is the best term for arch nemesis I have ever heard
Agreed
The wise man smiled: "The word you are looking for is kismesis"
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Optimus
@@incorporealnuance There it is.
Optimus ♠️ Megatron
Jack Horner is the perfect example of a pure evil villain.
“Jack, do you really plan to shoot a puppy?”
“Yeah, in the face. Why?”
"You're an irredeemable monster!"
"Oh- oh- oh- what took you so long? Idiot!"
From what movie is this character?
@@kalinaribic6383 the new puss in boots sequel
"Well, you know what they say; can't bake a pie without losing a dozen men."
Puss in Boots 2.
It's somehow really good
Jack Horner of Puss in Boots: The Last Wish fits this trope exactly. He’s a bad person, he knows it, and just does not care.
And he has a foil to contrast to.
He does care, he just loves it
Heh 404 likes
Plus, they even parodied the sympathetic backstory that just made him seem like a brat.
And he's got two different types of foils
And then we have a third category: The Doofenshmirtz. The incompetent yet friendly villain that has a ridiculously pitiable backstory to the point that it's comedic.
And who we all love.
His parents weren't even present at his birth
@@hairglowingkyle4572 just... just rip doof. rip
He was raised by ocelots.
And can never be a villain.
The simple motivation is why Megamind worked so well. His motivation was to fight a super hero. He didn't know what to do with himself after beating the super hero.
Pure evil villains exist to be thwarted. Megamind was almost aware of this in-universe.
Kyle Atkinson Honestly Megamind is one of the best satires of superhero movies ever made and I will fight anyone that says otherwise
Megamind is such an underrated movie
"Tighten" is also a good example of this pure evil trope in his own way, I think.
@@NamelessAidan Oh definitely. He's aware of the tropes around superhero romance (heroes always get the girl after saving them and then doing over the top romantic gestures) and gets incensed and violent when he's rejected. His 'motive' is simple to understand, and he doesn't seem to give a thought as to whether or not what he's doing is right or wrong.
Agree, Megamind very much has it's main heroes and villains self aware or grow into becoming self aware of their own tropes, Megamind ends up defeating the bad guy because he grows into not only being self aware but genre savvy and uses his own experience as a villain against his opponent. Where as the OG hero in the beginning abandons his role because he comes to the realization that their just doing the same tired dance over and over and that it's not what he wants for himself, and that Megamind despite being seemingly pure evil is actually not that harmful and is only doing what he does because of him. Defiantly an underrated movie and a great deconstruction.
The Lich from Adventure Time is the perfect example of a pure evil villain. There was even an episode where Finn called him "so evil its boring" but the lich has the perfect rebuttal. He says "While the mortal world doubts and questions I know exactly what I am." I thought that was the coolest shit ever
I'm just replying so you can see how much likes you got
then he became a tetris block, still loves him though
Finn is still blatantly right though.
Doubting and questioning is far more interesting than always -being- feeling right, and What Else Is There than being interesting?
@@kjj26k we did get a glimpse of this doubt in F&C, but then the evil death-wishing monster turn into a block
Can't forget the "You are Strong. 💀 ...But I Am Beyond Strength." speech
"Why does everyone keep giving robots teeth?" These are the real questions of our era.
It reminds me of a FFXIV joke from when Ruby Weapon was added:
Engineer: We have successfully given our robot teeth.
Pilot: Uh, question. Why would the robot need teeth?
Engineer: To protect the tongue, of course.
Pilot: Yeah okay, makes sense... SECOND question.
You seen phyrexians?
What if robot want hambergr?
@@PerkulatorBenny"-the internet can give you several reasons why a Robot needs a tongue. 😶"
The "I just wish I was loved as much as I love skinning puppies" joke has aged *phenomenally* with the Cruella trailer drop
No kidding. I wonder if Red can see the future
Oh trust me that's not the Canon origin story you want to hear the Canon one is really is just basically a drama with no magical elements or anything that Cruella has like she doesn't get redeemed and the only reason why it seems like she's killing the puppies is because her own dog was given to Anita and her dog didn't remember her so basically sounds like she's spiking a dog and Anita so basically just became a revenge storyline
@@davidalicea6705, at this point, all of these are just separate canons that are somehow all correct.
Aged almost as well as a popular Twisted quote
"I only wished to have a coat made out of puppies."
- Team Starkid
When was this quote in the video?
Harley Quinn's motivation: "I just wish he loved me as much as he loves skinning puppies."
How does this comic not have more likes?
Her FORMER motivation.
Me : WHO THE BLOODY HELL WOULD LOVE SKINNING PUPPIES!?!?😠😬😡😱
Also me : Only Joker and maybe Cruella De Vil. 😧😥😑
@@rogueflare4929 Joker will only enjoy if there's a punch to it or they annoy him, that's like his only motivation
@@bunnyconcubus8468 Yeah.....There's no denying that. 😧😨😖
Person: Pure evil villains are bad writing.
Tolkien: I'm about to end this man's whole career
TBF. His villains were not what made his writing great.
Morgoth aside, Sauron did have a degree of nuance to his motivation. He started by wanting a perfect world without wastefulness, but saw domination as the only way of achieving it.
Granted, it’s not the deepest of motives and it’s debatable whether he was still pursuing that goal by the War of the Ring, but it is there.
But back to Morgoth, it’s hard for me to see him as even a mustache twirling villain. I see him more as a child throwing a tantrum because he was denied the toy he wanted. Which doesn’t make Morgoth a bad villain, just less interesting, imo.
Jack Horner from "Puss in boots: the last wish" is a good example of a purely evil villain. I feel like he was even created to mock the trend of redeeming villains and having villains with sad backstories.
and he succeeded in doing so.
And had Death as the proper Antagonist for Puss through most of the movie. Very clever decisions.
@@PriceMw123 Death is actually more a gray character than a villain.
@@MidoseitoAkage That's why alexmarwick230 referred to Death as an antagonist. All villains are antagonists, but not all antagonists are villains. An antagonist's role is to oppose the protagonist, a situation where villainy is asked for, but not demanded. Death's role throughout the story was to specifically target Puss. He had no other role in the movie outside of this.
@@Ninja07Keaton Ah yeah... I forgot that thing...
"Villains have to be complicated and or sympathetic"
"THIS IS A LIE!"
Thank you. I'm so glad to hear someone say it.
pure evil villains are boring “LOOK AT ME, I AM EVIL AND I AM GONNA DO EVIL THINGS, WHY? BECAUSE FUCK YOU THATS WHY”
And I think someone like Hitler is proof of pure evil villains.
@@siddhartha894 It does have one major benefit, it leaves you with a no-holds-barred mentality for both sides, removing a lot of the 'should I kill them? they could be a decent person inside' and leaves room for more characterization for the protagonists and their side characters...
THIS. My problem is a lot of armchair movie critics start making videos claiming that "Marvel villains are better now!" or "MCU is maturing!" I mean seriously just because some villains got a bit of backstory suddenly they're super deep and some even idolizing them to the point of worship and love. Even when Loki himself can do that even when he's still depicted as pure evil and not some mischiveous little brother.
At the end of the day an antagonist is nothing more then a glorified punching bag for the protagonists too overcome by the end of the story. You can make them interesting in their own right, but if the environment can make for a good antagonist then anything can, they don't need too be fully flushed out or too have a realistic backstory.
Optional Quality: being voiced by Mark Hamill
Bert from Danger Rangers: Mark Hammel
His voice skills never cease to amaze
Mark Hamill is just Tim Curry for people who want to take themselves seriously.
Kappa Mikey, anyone?
Mark Hamill has voiced many pure evil villains: The Joker, Ozai, Malefor, Maltruant, Kavaxas and the Trickster are examples.
Hot take: Ron pearlman
"You're an irredeemable monster!"
"Wha, wha, what took you so long, IDIOT?"
Big Jack Horner is definitely a breath of fresh air
@@NexusKirin And yet people STILL simped for him. Didn't even bother to use the "I can fix him" argument. I love the internet.
@@Silverwind87 Well, I think it’s because he’s the first, big and overt pure evil villain in a long time.
@@NexusKirinWhat’s funny is to me Jack Horner is one of the worst parts of the movie. This isn’t me saying he’s bad though, he’s just a lil funny and that’s about it. What made the movie for me in terms of villains was Death who’s an actually interesting villain.
@@ReblazeGaming I feel the same way, although while I see him as the worst part of the movie, it’s not that he’s bad, but just a little less interesting.
The most interesting thing about him is that he gives 0 shits about others, only being selfish. Was the funny little magic puppet stealing his show *really* the tipping point for him? I guess we’ll never know.
Death will be Death(I liked the message he got across to Puss)
Honestly, having a villain that you genuinely want to see beaten is a breath of fresh air. Having so many "redeemable" villains or ones that make funny jokes makes them feel less intimidating.
in my humble onion, a wisecracking pure evil villain getting completely serious for a moment is far more intimidating than a no-nonsense pure evil villain doing their thing at whatever given moment
@@uncroppedsoopinsert that meme of the Joker during that Captain America/Batman Crossover going "I may be a deranged psychopath, but like hell I'll team up with N*zis... 💥🔫"
@@-libertyprimev1-902 he obviously meant what he said but that wasn't the kind of thing I was referring to at all. it was clearly another bit, since he points out that he's specifically American. to go with your paraphrase, something like "I may be a deranged psychopath, but I'm an _American_ deranged psychopath"
@@uncroppedsoop ah you're right, I'm probably thinking of that Batman Who Laughs discussion Joker has with Lex... Been far too long since I read it but it was something along the lines of "That Perversion isn't Funny... He Forgot The Joke." while standing covered in shadow with the deepest glare.
the joker also illustrates that the ultimate pure evil power move is to die before ever second guessing yourself or losing your confidence someone who relishes in the destruction so much that his own death is a ironic joke.
A pure evil villain is basically me playing in sandbox.
I dont need a reason to blow the ever loving shit out of a planet or burn a village to ash, Ima bored.
Me too
Me too
Why did I build a super effecient villager breeder in Minecraft? Simple. I need virgins to throw in the volcano base I spent three days building, 10 hours of which was moving buckets of lava from the nether to said Volcao base.
"Oh ok, so y'all want more food huh? alright, food it is. And you over there get some nukes, yeah like that! Those guys over there should go more militant, a~nd there! NOW YOU FUCKERS! GO KILL! KILL! KILL!"
Martin XY I see you’re a person of culture
Favorite type of villain: "I don't have a motive or backstory, I'm just really bored and powerful."
1) Art has always been political. That sounds like an absolute chudmeister who complains about mUh pOLItICS whenever a character of a demographic they don't like is in a story.
2. Ledger's joker's motivation was still very much in line with previous iterations. Wanting to have Batman become just like him , and just wwanting to see the world burn. They say it explicitly.
@@Nai-qk4vp hrgh?
@@Nai-qk4vp I think you replied under the wrong comment lmao
Pure evil villains with a dark sense of humor always appeal to me for some reason.
Chaotic bored gods?
That bit about what makes a Pure Evil villain good instead of bad had me quoting Megamind in my head. "Oh, you're a villain all right, just not a SUPER one!" "What's the difference?" "PRE-SEN-TATION!"
In my own writing, I had a villain who basically thought of himself as being a lot more competent than he really was, like he watched all the Pure Evil villains and said "I'm that! That's me!" but couldn't actually back it up. He was kinda fun to write, and I hope I did a good job in having him come across as selfish, greedy, vain, quick-tempered, and mildly unhinged. Several of his interactions see him crack but recover his composure, only to turn tail and run when he's actually faced with a real threat, and the be dumb and overconfident enough to do something really dangerous that makes him a REAL threat, even if only briefly. At that point, the heroes have to endure and outsmart him so that he's undone by his own greed in order to win.
In another story, I have planned a villain who's a little closer to the Pure Evil ideal. He's motivated by an ideology, knows he's being a hypocrite, but doesn't care because he enjoys the killing. It's debatable whether he enjoys the killing because it furthers his ideology, or whether he joined that ideology because it allowed him to indulge in killing and label it "good". When he comes across new information, he's going to basically use it to go, "Not only was I right all along, I wasn't going far enough!" and get even worse. In combat, he's going to be the "ruthlessly efficient" kind, killing in cold blood because He's Right and therefore Everything He Does Is Right, in his head. If he chooses to kill someone, it's because They Deserved It, and he will have no qualms or hesitation. ...Whether I pull this off, well, remains to be seen. But I'll give it my best. ^_^;;
"000 What's the name of the story? And it does sound pretty cool! "D
Those villains sound pretty interesting and I feel like you're do great "D
this comment is written like a TV Tropes article
As a fellow amateur writer wannabe I hope you pull it off. Just remember to post a link in this comment chain if and when you do.
I like these ideas a lot actually. Honestly, I find hypocritical pure evil characters can feel a bit sloppy and just a stand-in for an author's perceived notion of strict authority in general. But you've found the element that makes the self-righteous monster complete. Pointing out that at a certain point, they did abandon their moral cause. They aren't so stupid they don't know their own rules anymore, they're hoping everyone else will.
@@bigmonkey1254 Lol, I agree. Pensuke, from my RUclips only comic book series is exactly that. His faction is always right, according to Pensuke.
Donquixote Doflamingo from One Piece manages to take an incredibly pure evil villain and fit in an in-depth backstory that only accentuates his pure evilness. He's the only villain I've seen where that backstory and motivation actually add to his megalomaniacal villainy!
I’d add Emperor Belos from The Owl House here. Already an evil villain; but the more you learn of his backstory (as well as what’s heavily suggested) the more maniacal evil he gets.
@@sunlitsonata6853
Puritans weren't exactly the full ticket.
@SunlitSonata
It also paints the picture of a very pathetic old man who's living in the past for selfish reasons, and he allowed it to completely consume him.
Not sympathizing with him, I just think this aspect of his character is interesting.
@@frankielovejoy9928 theirs a difference between Sympathize and Empathize. One is feeling pity the other is relating. You can sympathize but it’d be concerning to empathize with Belos. The man is trapped in the past and let his hate consume him. Belos has a God Complex but he still cares about his brother in spite of the fact he killed him. Because in his mind it was a mercy killing and he preformed ancient magic just to get him back even though each one would eventually betray him. It’s a fascinating form of twisted love. It’s sad, it’s pathetic and you understand where he’s coming from but still think “he’s such a monster” and that’s a well written Villain.
@@Broomer52 I understand that. I just didn't want anyone to think I somehow supported his actions. I just find Belos interesting because he somehow manages to double as a very intelligent and twisted maniacal maniac and a very sad old man who continued on the same path for hundreds of years. It seems like he never once, in 400-something years, stopped to reevaluate what he was doing. That is so much time to think and reflect on everything that happened and everything he did.
But instead, he just kept doing what he was doing. It's evil but sad at the same time. But not sad in a sympathetic OR empathetic way, at least not to me. It's sad in a pathetic way.
I find it interesting when a character is pure evil, but they’re on the hero’s side. Like, “I don’t want to help I’m here for my own benefits and getting to hurt people on the other team.”
Like Lex Luther?
I'm not really sure why but this reminds me of Taako from TAZ
I think that's called a "Token Evil Teammate" or something
DBS's frieza in the "tournament of power" arc
I’d probably call Captain Jack Sparrow this.
The only thing that's pure evil is The last airbender movie
*Pfft* someone's never seen Movie 43
Ancient Accounts - Animated History AMEN!
We don't talk about that one.
@One Thou Wou .... /8
*laughs in Dragon Ball Evolution*
"You're not gonna shoot a puppy are ya Jack?"
"Yeah in the face why?"
Ace attorney does pure evil villain really well. I think it’s because if the fifth quality you mentioned, the “third act breakdown.” Most of the villains spend the entire game being (entertainably) terrible. And they usually have the upper hand on Phoenix, they are very smug and self assured. It makes their breakdowns so satisfying.
I'd argue that sadmadhi doesn't get that nice catharsis, and he was awful.
Ace attorney gives their villains simple evil motivations that make sense, so it's easy and straightforward to hate them, but they put a ton of complexity into how that pure evil person affects the people around them. Franziska and Edgeworth are both deeply impacted being raised around Von Karma's perfectionist brand of evil, to the point that their character arcs are primarily about how they try to change away from it in order to live with themselves
Anyway, I love how Ace Attorney does its villains, yeah the breakdowns are So satisfying
AA villains also have a LOT of wiggle room for interpretation, so you get to play around with their complexity for fun and headcanons! Why did MvK take in Miles, and was he always terrible to him or (like in the anime) was it more complicated? We don’t know! Have fun coming up with your own ideas about THAT! Gant did terrible things, but he was motivated by a desire to protect people. How did that downward spiral affect him, and did it happen all at once or was it more gradual? De Killer is a gentleman assassin, which he sometimes manages to not turn into an oxymoron??? (Engarde just straight-up sucks lmao.) And Dahlia is lowkey SO complicated that I could spend an entire extra paragraph talking about how her family situation and the ambiguity of her consent/role in her relationships/schemes means you can interpret her as anything from a pure evil femme fatale to a tragic victim.
Pearl: Why would you do something so wrong?
Engarde: Because I can.
I don’t remember who said this, but I saw on the internet a really good explanation of why Thanos is like that, and why he “changes” so much in Endgame. Thanos is just a narcissist. He had an idea and nobody listened to him at first, so he decided he would make everyone listen and enact his “genius” plan. What’s happening here is that he THINKS he’s doing it to save the universe, but he’s really just doing it because he wants to, and to prove a point. He sees himself as the reluctant hero, but the reason he’s trying to kill half the universe isn’t to save it, it’s to prove that he was right and that he could.
Though in the source material, he is just a crazy stalker trying to impress his crush.
Death is a woman in Marvel, whom rejected Thanos a couple of times. Thanos is pining for her while she's getting it on with Deadpool.
The results: Thanos tries to increase his odds by making Deadpool irresistible... In hopes that would break them appart ...
And that is why Deadpool is immortal
@@Maninawig MCU isn't the same as the source material, though. Thanos (and other characters) were effectively completely re-written.
@@snuffles504 that makes me sad... Kinda feels like Disney is oversaturating the Greek wine that Marvel gave them stating "you're supposed to water it down"
Nah its just lazy writing. Trying to make sense of it thru philosophy is stupid. MCU isn't philosophy. It's one sentence monologue
@@huzaifa8665 wtf does that even mean. Nobody here mentioned phylosophy.
"What's the matter? I thought the Joker always wanted to make Batman laugh."
"YOU'RE! NOT! BATMAN!"
I got say it this was the best villain's mental breakdown.
@@zachbahamutson5477 I agree wholeheartedly! It's as scary as it is satisfying!
I! AM! Batman!
What I love about that moment is Joker's hypocrisy. He dismisses Terry as a threat from the start, as both a fighter and as a Batman. Yet at the same time, he expected Terry to follow Bruce's code of morality and fighting style to the letter. And this is shown immediately after Terry takes a different approach to the fight.
"What are you doing?!"
"Fighting dirty."
"The real Batman would never-Oof!"
He held Batman to such a high regard that he couldn't even fathom the idea of Terry being anything more than just an inexperienced Bruce, to the point where he was ultimately defeated by one of the oldest gags in the book (the joy buzzer).
Terry did what Bruce never really did: He took advantage of Joker's dynamic obsession with Batman and used it against him.
@@esteban8471 so...superboy prime?
For some reason, the Sanderson sisters from Hocus Pocus just popped into my head. They seem to have most of the characteristics mentioned here - vague backstory, delight in their evilness, and selfish motivations - but lack the “supreme confidence” aspect. Their uncertainty with the modern world certainly holds them back on occasion (while offering plenty of laughs for the audience) but in the long run that doesn’t make them any less threatening to the protagonists or diminish their evil personalities. Do they still count as “pure evil” or does their bumbling/gullibility actually disqualify them?
Like a month late, but I do believe they do fit!! The "supreme confidence" isn't confidence in everything they do, it's self-confidence!! In this, the witches very much do fit - whilst they are bumbling, this is because it is a comedy, but the witches do 100% have confidence in who they are!! They have no idea what kind of strange new world they're in, but they're certain that they will master it, once they understand it!!!
Now that Hollow Mind aired, I think Belos comes off as an incredibly compellingly written case of a Pure Evil villain in The Owl House.
That he spent hundreds of years orchestrating an entire society of witches to genocide off itself because he still has that Salem Witch Trials mindset and never evolved as the human world did is a pretty chilling villain motivation for a Disney cartoon. And killing his brother out of spite, only to keep recreating him as homunculus designed to be loyal up until he inevitably murders them and starts it over again, all with the same face.
Ikr
Yes! And the most horrifying part is that he's got just enough hints of humanity in what we, the audience, sees, we think that he might have a redeemable part. But no. And that is further made horrifying in that his racist hate, abuse, and manipulation are so horribly human that we know people like him exist. It is like this crescendo of how horrible humanity can be and that is why I love to hate him.
"If it works, it's not bad writing, it's just unfashionable."
I want that on a damn t-shirt.
Me to
I remember someone telling me that Django from Django Unchained is a bad character because he never doubts his own motivation - as though what makes a good or bad character can be distilled down to a checklist of character arc moments that must be followed at all costs.
That’s not how writing works, but it always seems to be how people think writing works. At like how in the mid-1600s everyone thought plays needed to adhere strictly to Aristotle’s “unities.” It’s pure nonsense.
I feel like the epidemic of “meh...” movies comes from a generation of writers who were told that every story needs certain qualities, so they shoehorn in everything their English teacher told them without question
@@SirSoliloquy Yeah, sometimes it really feels like "trying to reduce writing down to checklists" is where most people go wrong in general.
Once you start to think of this stuff as _arbitrarily_ good or bad writing without considering why or how, or in what context, something has gone terribly wrong.
that would be quite the... unfashionable shirt.
@@SirSoliloquy Yes, writing doesn't work like this in the most cases. But also in the most cases when writers break with the classic structure of a story, the story sucks.
In Endgame, we saw who Thanos truly was. He’s irredeemably evil and loving it, but sees himself as a tragic hero. In the end, it was always about himself.
Read the comics. Thanos is pretty different, being a Death's jealous stalker.
When he saw Deadpool flirting with Death (literally as Death is a woman in Marvel), he cursed Wade Wilson with immortality... Cause her rejections didn't give Thanos a hint that she's not that into him...
Btw, this only made Death want Deadpool even more because he is literally the one man she cannot have.
Not exactly. While there is certainly an element of self satisfaction in MCU Thanos, seeing his 'future' self succeed changed End-Thanos dramatically by relieving him of his doubt. Infin-Thanos referred to himself as destiny as a sort of mantra, a way to solidify his intentions. End-Thanos does the same because he now truly believes it. It's a subtle difference but they are different characters.
Exactly, he's irrational
@@Dyneamaeus I'd say what we see in End-Thanos is more an extended villainous breakdown. He learned that in spite of his plan succeeding people not only still reject his "vision", but they're actively on track to unmake his victory and his future self won't be around to do anything about it. He's dedicated his life to proving his thesis, and I imagine there's a strong Sunk Cost Fallacy in play by this point, so when he learns that thesis is about to be comprehensively and irreversibly disproved he just starts lashing out in an attempt to force the world to conform to his vision, since he cannot accept that he might be wrong.
The sympathetic villain is the lie he tells himself
"You're insane!"
"Sure I am, what's your point?"
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"You're insane if you think I'll help you!"
"I'm insane either way, brainiac!"
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Bill Cipher is the best pure evil, mainly because of his one-liners and charisma.
Yeah, he gives of the "I know I'm ruining the whole existence thing for everyone else, but I legitimately don't care" vibe.
"Off"
He’s more of a chaotic neutral imo
@@cosmicspacething3474 he literally brought on an apocalypse and killed people for fun, what are you talking about?
@@skyhideaway I mean he’s there more to cause chaos than just kill people. The world just happens to be collateral damage in his extremely twisted plans for hedonism.
I remember watching Star wars for the first time only last year. After decades of media exposure to star wars and Vader indirectly I went in expecting him to be a Pure Evil villain and was pleasantly surprised to see what I can best describe as a "fallen paladin"
That’s actually very accurate, knowing his backstory from the prequels. That’s an interesting term to use!
"I just want to be loved as much as I love skinning puppies!"
I'm dead. You've killed me.
Max the Big Bad I automatically read that with Antfish’s DIO voice in my head.
She skinned you
The puppies, too
Lilllice just like those puppies
We’re you a puppy? :D
You cannot convince me that "murder soulmates" isn't the perfect term for Optimus' and Megatrons realtionship
No need, it suits them xD I've always liked their relationship since the first fight they had in the first Michael Bay movie. How they had this familiarity between each other and how they called each other (or at the very least Optimus called Megatron) "brother." For me, I thought these guys were actually brothers, but as I watched more spin-offs of Transformers, I slowly pieced together that they weren't brothers, but this weird, almost familial relationship stayed between them. I was always fascinated by it, and how it sort of made any fight between the two of them more personal for both.
“One shall stand and one shall fall, Megatron!” - Optimus Prime, 1986
Never try to play gay chicken with a truck.
The ENFJ-ENTJ dynamic is powerful-Fe vs. Te function. It can be seen in Hashirama and Madara’s dynamic as well.
rule34: why cant they just fuck each other to death
everyone else: SHUSH YOU HORNY MORON (drags rule34 to horny jail, which causes the internet to break)
Providing backstory to a pure evil villain can work though depending on the story. Griffith and Sauron for instance used to have redeeming qualities, but the point is that they eventually threw them away in order to achieve their selfish goals. Doing this helps add layers to your villain without detracting from the fact that the audience is supposed to view them as a monster they should fear and hate. If anything, it makes them more hateable because it shows that they ARE capable of good, they just prefer evil.
Exactly. Griffith is probably the greatest villain of all time, in my opinion. His backstory gives him more depth but doesn’t take away from his pure evil
"Good writing is anything that works" is genuinely the best writing advice I can give to anyone.
"Good writing is any writing that works."
Red,
You just said the truest thing I've ever heard in my life.
Awsamazing Eden Same here
Exactly. If sometimes the most formulaic tropes and cliches are the most successful, is because they have certain charm to them. If ain't broke, don't fix it.
i dont think the tautology is any more true than any other purely logical statement.
@The One-Man Army Well, it isn't because there is a lot of social and intellectual status involved this kind of discussions.
If "good writing is all writing that works" was accepted as a rule, then it would be next to impossible to clearly establish hierarchies based on taste, which is what academia discussions and now a big chunk of Internet discussions are all about when you cut out the BS.
Also, pure evil villains (when executed right) are enjoyed by the biggest amount of people, and you can't have a meaningful socio-intellectual hierarchy if the most valued asset is shared by the majority, since then you can't stand out and have that sweet, sweet dopamine rush your brain gets when you see yourself as superior to others.
I’m happy because I was the 666 like on this comment
Backstory can be REALLY good in pure evil villains, the BIG thing is that it can't be an EXCUSE for a pure evil character's actions. If you're gonna enslave races, conquer nations, and use the souls of your slain enemies as fuel in your war machine, you can't say it's all because you got abused as a kid.
The issue with incorporating your backstory into character motivation is if you can break their backstory you can break their character.
Pure evil villains do not work if they can be broken like that. Pure evil villains need to be thoroughly bested, or it just doesn't feel right. No easy compromises (just plain bad writing for pure evil villains) only battle
This immediately made me think of Big Mom from One Piece.
Pure evil villains will subvert any tragic backstories they have.
@@dragonhelmofdor-lomin4017 Yeah, Dio is a good example of a pure evil villain with a backstory done well. (Spoilers for Jojo Part 1, 3, and 6 ahead.)
He gets a chance to have a truly loving, non-abusive family living with the Joestars, then immediately decides to murder his adoptive brother’s dog and ruin his life just out of sheer envy anyway. Then he rejects his humanity and becomes a vampire when his later attempts to poison his adoptive father come to light, firmly showing that he’s fully committed to being a pure evil douchebag.
And it does add a tragic element when he realizes at the end of Part 1 that he HAS, in fact, lost the one person he could even call close to a friend in Jonathan, but it never tries to humanize him. If anything, his backstory makes him even MORE evil, because he fundamentally rejected all the chances he had to be good.
And yes, he posthumously gets a second, not quite pure evil motivation in the form of his plan to attain Heaven (read: reveal everyone’s fates to them to force them to accept fate, either shattering free will or at least its illusion), but if anything it just makes his older, wiser self a different, more philosophical flavor of pure evil that barely matters when fighting him at the end of Part 3 and really only serves to give Pucci (who is very much not an example of Pure Evil) a motive besides getting revenge on the Joestars.
@@Tortferngatr Lotso is a great example too.
I'm surprised nobody mentioned Frieza. He's so clearly having a blast with his villainy.
Ooh, have you been watching Team Fourstar's HFIL series? He has a great line about knowing how evil he is.
those monkeys always getting in his way.
Im a little divided on whether hes pure evil though because he seems to care about berryblue if he is pure evil though hes by far the most funny pure evil villain
What about Bardock? He conquers planets and doesn’t afraid of anything
Beerus is objectively worse than Frieza, which is why morality literally means nothing in Dragon Ball now.
"Oh you're a *Villain* alright. Just not a *Super* one."
"Yeah, what's the difference?!"
*"PRESENTATION!!!"*
* "PRESENTATION!!!" *
which is:
*"PRESENTATION!!!"*
@@danielawesome36 "Ah Minion, you fantastic fish you."
Alot of Batman villains can agree with that
perfect.
Megamind is an amazing ' villain '.
Teacher: "You *have* to give your villain a tragic backstory".
Me: "He failed to get into art school"
Teacher: 😳
This is legit Adolf Hitler.
Oh shit-
Nein out of ten.
r/cursedcomments
Hey, you didn't create Hitler!
“Had a complicated motivation once upon a time but have long since lost sight of their original goal.”
That is literally Sauron and (to an extent) his master Morgoth in a nutshell in the Silmirilon by Tolkien. I am not even joking.
Thats why i really liked Shan Yu as a Disney Villian. He had no real complex motivation, embodied every hyper masculine villian trope (relentless, cruel, unmerciful, kills children, obsessed with conquest). He doesnt need a backstory- he has great voice acting, a killer theme song, and is a great, albeit simple, villian.
o.o
Arguably to the point of being too simple.
@@emanuelrojas2 Well, he was never the main source of conflict in the story. The conflict was about Mulan sorting out her place in the setting, Shan Yu was just a milestone within that conflict.
You know the difference between a villain and a supervillain?
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PRESENTATION!
That was going through my head the entire time, even though it feels like Megamind was more into the competition than the evil
Agreed, Megamind was all about the game once he actually won he got bored incredibly quickly, and lost a lot of his motivation. He was a great example of chaotic evil, his Evil had no purpose other than the fun and joy he got from the games he played.
My kid watched that show for the first time the other day haha
My answer is the scope of their acts of villainy, the amount of power invested in any single act of villainy and how quickly the acts of villainy are carried out. A street punk that botches up a convenience store hold-up can't even rise to the level of villain. But have (insert name) target (NO PUN INTENDED!) all convenience stores worldwide for destruction at a given time and have it done simultaneously - then you're in the supervillain league.
Megamind is an example of a complex villian and Titan is the pure evil villian.
*E* - Every
*V* - Villain
*I* - Is
*L* Lemon
_Perfect description of a pure evil villain..._
Xenoblade Chronicles (2010)
*We are LEMON*
Huh? EVIL!
Lemon grab
Oof I’m so stupid for thinking the saying was “Every Villain Is Lemons” lmao.
Jack Horner from the New Puss In Boots movie might honestly be the quintessential pure evil villain, he does literally everything described here
In my experience, “evil & loving it”, “reluctant monster”, & “unintentionally destructive” can very much inhabit the same person.
Evil villian: I do it for the money.
Complex villian: I need the money to pay for my sick child's surgery.
Hope that helped.
Not at all.
That motivation, helping one's child, is usually heroic. Thus, that motivation could be anything from heroic to antiheroic to anti-villainous to simply an antagonist. For example, in a heist movie where the protagonists are all morally grey thieves, the guy who betrays the group to save his sick kid is simply an antagonist - not really a villain.
this is wrong, but thanks anyway
@@carloscaro9121 What if you murder 10 people to get the money?
Pure Evil Villain: I do it because I want to.
As others have pointed out. This is a flawed statement.
Pure Evil Characters: I kill people for fun and make money. (Joker)
Evil Character: I kill people if its required to make money.
Complex Character: I kill people and make money but have a more noble cause for that.
Is nobody going to talk about the epic orchestral version of Bad by Michael Jackson in the background? Just me? Okay.
So THATS what that was!!! Thanks!
I was thinking about that the entire time I was watching this video it fits the pure evil "bad because I wanna be" vibe perfectly and honestly I could see it being used as like an almost theme song of sorts for characters like the joker who tend to have a bit of fun when they do the murder
I like it, but it is a little bit too loud, distracting from the content.
@@doesitreallymatter3239 Ever see Megamind?
TheGuardDuck who hasn't?
Marvel finally got it right with the High Evolutionary. Definitely one of the best pure evil villains we've had in recent years and cause of some of the most traumatic moments on the MCU.
Dio is a perfect example of a pure villain. He's charismatic, an ass, and both of his abilities are representations of Dio's hunger for control, and the moment is seems like jotaro is getting near him in power terrifies him, and he ends up loosing flaunting his control. All of the Jojo villains do this well, loving their control and having a breakdown breakdown when they loose it
I think DIO eventually convinces himself near the end that although Jotaro has infiltrated his world, he isn't anywhere near his power Recovering from a 3rd act breakdown. It's only during the 2nd 3rd act breakdown of Starust Crusaders that he dies.
TLDR: Dio dies during Phantom Bloods third act breakdown. DIO dies during Stardust Crusaders 3rd act breakdown
What i love about Dio is that Johnathan and hell even the show itself keeps asking the question, "is Dio evil because of his terrible father and initial upbringing"
and then absolute chad and fight commentator Speed Wagon just eventually rolls up flat out says "no, he's evil because he's *just mother fucking evil an will always be evil* "
like no if's or buts, he's a dick because he's a dick.
"Unless the heroes are really insufferable"
Next episode: Nominal heroes/assh*** protagonists
Alias Anybody yessssssssss
I forgot something: Please!
Akame ga Kill.
I would love an episode about this.
Konosuba
I would love to hear more about “pure chaos” characters
Same
Yeah, villains like Bill Cipher and Jevil are some of my favorites!
Like Anton Chigurh ?
@@kenndie434 Anton is more like a demon than pure chaos. He has goals and rules, strange and incomprehensible they may be, but if you play by them you might just survive.
I want to see Tricky in Trope Talk!
Surprisingly, I’ve recently realized that Davey Jones from Pirates of the Caribbean actually has a very old, yet very believable and sympathetic motivation, and it’s a story old as time.
He offered his heart to the woman he loved, and she left him holding it. So he left his heart in the sand as it turned cold and black.
Now there’s nothing left but a bitter, cruel old man; his empty chest filled with hate and misery, driven by spite as he inflicts his pain on anyone unfortunate enough to cross his path.
Jack Horner from ‘Puss in boots the last wish’ fits this so well, I wish this video could have referenced him.
check the upload date
@@THTB_lolI mean in the sense that I wish this video was newer/the movie was older so that jack could be used as a reference. I’m aware that the video came out 5 years before the movie did, I just wish that wasn’t the case.
So, no backstory, personal/illogical motive, and absolute confidence?
Kids are pure evil villains.
(when they want to)
Pure evil villains are basically what happens when you take a kid who burns ants with a magnifying glass and give them a death star instead.
Pure chaos. When they want they are pure evil when they want they are pure good
I know your comment is at least partially a joke, but that brings up an interesting point: aren't all pure evil villains, by their nature, childlike?
They're doing the things they do for purely selfish reasons - "I just want to" or "Because it's fun" or "Because I know it pisses you off." Their egos are inflated beyond sanity and they basically can't grasp the concept that they might not be able to do what they want - in other words, they *hate* being told No. (Seriously, look how many villains get mad at their minions for bringing up the possibility of failure, even if they have legitimate concerns about the integrity of the villain's plans.) And most of all, they don't give a flying shit about morals. They don't care that what they're doing is wrong because *they're having fun.* All that matters to them is that they get a kick out of it. The third-act breakdown is essentially the villain throwing a tantrum when, for one reason or another, they STOP having fun.
@@keithbryden2040 Yea, and it actually highlights one of the main reasons pure evil villains work. When they're introduced, they generally seem extremely collected, confident, powerful, and generally cool, which contrasts sharply with heroes who tend to start off the story much less put together seeming.
But as the hero grows and we learn more about the villain's character, we start to see that the villain who seemed like such an unstoppable force is maybe not as cool as they seemed. The suave dark overlord with his incredible power and army of minions starts to seem less like an evil genius and more like a spoiled brat. People criticize villains for making dumb decisions, but sometimes that's the point, the villain is so assured that they'll always get their way in the end that they don't think their choices through.
And in the final third act breakdown we finally see the villain's true face fully revealed: A spoiled child who cannot conceive of things not going their way and breaks down the moment they realize that world domination is no longer an option for them. Bonus points if the villain rails against the unfairness of the world for a defeat that they brought entirely on themselves, or whines about the hero ruing their life, when the villain has being ruining countless lives this whole time.
Part of the appeal of pure evil villains is showing how uncool they really are beneath their confident exteriors.
@@keithbryden2040 Pure good heroes are also known for being childlike
i think why Ozai actually works is his children. Zukos relationship with him gives him an actual personality and importance besides mwahaha take over the world. And having Azula be the fun complex villain makes him work because she does all the small things and cracks the jokes while he plans the main issue in the background. His kids keep him from getting boring and gives his character more importance.
My personal favourite pure evil villain is Palpatine - purely because he’s having the time of his life when he’s being evil. He’s such a rascal
Megabyte: pure evil
Hexadecimal: pure chaos
Bill Cipher: both
Bill cipher is just chaos. Not really evil, just a jerk with godmode.
Not saying I don't love it though, he's definitely my favorite villian.
@@theodensuhrie7915 mans jus wanna fuck shit up for the giggles
Melkor/Morgoth: Please allow me to introduce myself.
For context, the guy helped the LOTR God (Eru Iluvatar), his godly brothers and sisters (Valar), and the Maiar sing the world into existence. This asshole decides that it's time for a solo. Hell, he tortured and killed people in mass quantities for shits and giggles. But, he also made Sauron what he is by ripping every happy memory and person he related to happiness from his mind and soul. Oh and he created Orcs by torturing Elves and created dragons (one the size of at least two large mountains). In short he's both.
I could make a case for Sauron being pure evil but the Silmarillion removed that ability. He's just too pitiable. The most evil thing he personally did was corrupting the most powerful nation in Middle Earth and causing them to attempt to invade Middle Earth Heaven (Valinor) but caused the only instance of Eru intervening (which is more than Morgoth ever did) and sweeping the entire nation beneath the sea. Evil, but not exactly comparable.
Bill has a backstory (you have to do some digging to find it) and it is tragic. But Bill acts out anyway, he's lost everything he loved and now he just wants to party and have fun forever. His backstory is little more of an explanation to where he came from and why he is like this, it gives no reason to trust or try to talk to him about it because he either will kill you because he doesn't want to talk about ot or he just dosen't care anymore.
'Soulmates but for murder.'
I have never heard Optimus and Megatron's relationship described more perfectly 😂
It's been shipped
@@angeliparraguirre7329 But have they been made into ships?
New Transformers fan-term definition for "ship": it's like 'waifu' or 'husbando' or I guess if you want a gender-neutral term 'spousi', but for characters that turn into starships. TFAnimated Omega Supreme is my top ship, but I can't deny the appeal of WFC Trypticon.
(It's called a kismesis)
@@Peteman It's been a while but as I recall the idw series literally has him join the autobots at some point.
"has him join the autobots"
Yes, but he got a professional help, got better and found some new revolution to lead.
Tynan is a really interesting example of a "pure evil" villain with a third-act breakdown that is not only consistent with his characterization but also in line with the magic system and his source of power. His power _literally_ feeds on fear. The more people fear him, the stronger he is. A high intimidation roll leads to a bonus on intimidation. So he is totally jamming when everyone's running around screaming. Conversely, as soon as he loses that fear, he crumbles. He's lost not only his ego _but_ _also_ his power.
Love you, Red!
I have an idea for a villain: Pure Evil In Denial
A villain who tries to explain his motives through his backstory, pointing out why he does the things that he does, but the motive he gives is one that falls apart under the barest scrutiny or understanding of morality. This is because it's not a motive at all, really. Maybe it used to be, but now it's just a flimsy justification for the villain's unending bloodlust. In some cases the villain might not even recognize this themselves. Could work great for the manipulative type of villain.
That's basically my interpretation of MCU Thanos.
I was about to say. That's LITERALLY Thanos. That's why his actiuons in Endgame make sense. Deep down he's an egomaniac who throws a tantrum when people don't tell him how much of a hero he is.@@kellbyb
I love how thanos’s original gional motive is *WANTING TO SMASH DEATH*
For a very specific definition of “smash.”
Which is historically accurate. The driving force of pussy was always a great motivation in real-life wars too.
Unfortunately for both halves of the universe, Death was thoroughly uninterested in him. She and Deadpool had a thing going already.
@@pretzelbomb6105 imagine killing half of the universe and beocming a godlike being just to get cucked by Funni Chimichanga Man
Pretzelbomb, and I believe in the comics, Thanos cursed Deadpool with his crazy healing factor so he couldn’t die to be with death.
The funniest part of Loki's beatdown is that that is his genuine reaction, he had a rope on his ankle and told them to pull it at a random point in his rant. I love this.
I didn’t notice that, but it’s hilarious
That is the best thing ever
Oh my GOD!
That is a great idea! It captured what would actually happen if it were to, you know, happen!😂
When i was little my mom used to leave me at her friends place during work. I was about 3 or 4 so i barely remeber anything, but i did remeber a little bit of a show i was watching over there. Very loosely, with only a few details. There was a main guy, but the main guy vanished, and then the kid had to take over. But the kid failed, and then there was a time skip when the kid returned as grownup. This was all that i remeber, and i would constanty try to find the show and quite fruitlessly at that. Since i didn't get internet until WAY later in life. So thank you for dropping the name of ReBoot. Took me 23 years, but now i can go and finish it :)
My own headcanon on Ultron is that he's basically speedrunning the process of Halo-style rampancy. He comes off like he doesn't know what he wants *because he REALLY DOESN'T.* He's erratic and unfocused because he's in the process of going completely insane. If Whedon had actually done more than just vaguely imply that, I think there'd be a lot less disappointment in his portrayal in the movie.
That was my understanding too. He is literally a child developing a world-view on fast forward
Thanos' character makes perfect sense. He's a narcissistic megalomaniac that sees himself as a tragic hero thus he tries to *act* like a tragic hero most of the time, but the mask slips every now and then to show what's underneath: a monster.
Thanos is just Light Yagami.
@@ivrydice0954 Nah, Light at least fully embraces his god complex.
@@dragoon3219 TRUE
EXACTLY. MCU Thanos was a product of sloppy inconsistent writing that ended up being accidentally brilliant.
Thanos was more concerned about proving his (long dead) haters wrong than he was about actually helping people.
My thoughts exactly
Just realized the backing track is "Bad" by Michael Jackson...
**slow clap**
And now I want to hear Red do a cover of it.
THANK YOU. God, that was driving me nuts trying to figure out what that was....
It took me a bit to identify it, which distracted me from what she was saying, so I had to back up. But yeah, that's fabulous. ;)
Ahahah, yeah. As soon as it started, I thought "Why is there a Michael Jackson tune in the background?" and it took me a moment to realize which song it was. XD
I know.
SUBTLE RIGHT?! :D
But seriously, love that.
I wonder if The Lich from Adventure Time would fall under pure evil, or if he is more of a force of nature.
His nature IS entropy and evil
Force of nature
Bro the litch said "fuck nature" did you see what he did to ooo
definitely PE
1:53: technically Bill DOES have a backstory: he is from the second demention which he describes as "a flat world full of flat minds with flat dreams" he "liberated" his world by BURNING IT TO THE GROUND(or whatever the 2d equivalent is)
So he’s a CORNERFOLK?
@@ZKP314 yes but there were probably circles around too
Umbridge
The poster child for pure evil.
she feels like a better villain than Voldemort tbh
She makes other pure evil villians seem like saints
I agree. Mostly, because I must not tell lies.
I disagree. She is entitled, but not evil. As a matter of fact, I'd argue that on an alignment scale she'd fall squarely on LN. She isn't bothered strongly by the evilness or goodness of her actions as long as it supports the Ministry. She's a phenomenal bad guy, but she isn't evil per se.
@@kianpfannenstiel She carried out a genocide against muggleborns! Did people not read the 7th book? And even in the context of the 5º book alone, she was as evil as someone could be for the setting (magic school drama) to make sense.
On Thanos: He's just crazy. I'm 90% certain his problem is he's a true psychopath who's convinced he's a tragic hero.
Right. But the problem is in the presentation. The movie absolutely buys into the idea that he's a tragic figure. Just look at how many "Thanos is right!" fanboys there are out there. They spent ten goddamn years building him up into being the galaxy's ultimate monster, then practically throw that out the window in their rush to make him sympathetic and relateable. So you end up with a confused movie with a confused central villain who is treated as the protagonist, while the heroes keep making dumb mistakes that let him win.
That's just not narratively satisfying on any particular level.
James Black if you accept OP‘s characterization, you already have a „sympathetic“ villain rather than „pure evil“ because of the trait of self-deception.
No. Obviously not
@@jasonblalock4429 The fanboys who defend Thanos are idiots. Ignoring all aspects of story telling and just looking at his idea of "Kill half of universe pop. to double available resources to survivors" Its economically insane, given that a single person can produce more than they take in in their lifespan and that more people = more innovation resources can grow to meet the need of any given pop.
The only way a person can see Thanos as a hero is if they also do the same mental gymnastics think Mao Zedong and Josepf Stalin are good guys despite killing a combined total of about 70 million people.
The sheer shortsightedness and lack of care for human life in Thano's plan is what makes him a villain.
yup. ignoring the movie's adaptation of his character, the antagonist Thanos is only driven by extremely selfish motivations (that he wants to do the "bedroom dance" with Lady Death) and so he decides that deleting half the universe will be a sufficient panty-dropper to win her over.
The best modern example of this trope: Big Jack Horner. My boi.
Loki was at his best when he tried to destroy Jotunheim to impress his adoptive father and step out of his brother’s shadow. He’s my favorite MCU villain for Thor (2011) alone and never got better than that.
Good example of third act breakdown: Ozai getting his lightning redirected by Zuko and getting hit with it, someone he thought was pathetic and weak, now got him stunned and defeated
*Then* he gets his bending toy taken away by Cousin Aang xD
Dang, avatar was just the best at everything huh?
@@blaxidii7360 Not at everything. I've seen some shows with better villains, though Avatar does have some great ones. I've rarely seen a show that does o many things so well though.
except he is never, ever shown being actually in control of the situation. We are told all of the bad villaninous stuff he did, but the only thing we see is him getting defeated. I think Ozai sucks badly as a villain. Luckily there's Azula to make up for that.
@@a.f.schmied1571 Ozai's really made to be the "man behind the man", offscreen villain. He's the Emperor to Azula's Vader.
I was alarmingly unprepared to hear a marching band cover of Michael Jackson’s bad
Same
Hot take: I liked the info in this video, and I found this cover completely distracting. I think the music is iconic enough and the chorus attention-grabbing enough that any time they make a good point my mind has to go "I'm bad! I'm bad! You know it!" They *maybe* could have gotten away with just using the verse, but even that is a stretch.
OH SO THAT’S WHY THE SONG WAS SO FAMILIAR
I just wish she put a link to the original song
Honestly when I sing that song I need to have background music or karaoke vid or else I'll be making a mash up of bad by michael jackson and Metatron's battle theme by toby fox
Big jack horner from puss in boots watched this video and said "that's soooo me"
Someone in the industry probably watched this because Jack Horner from Puss in Boots the Last Wish is the perfect representation of Pure Villainy as described in this video.
I've heard a good interpretation of Thanos as a massive egomaniac. He believes his ideology is the ONLY and BEST solution, so is blinded to other peoples views and opinions. He is calm and collected, preaching his views of 'perfectly balanced', but is full of self-righteous rage at those who oppose him.
Exactly. He believed the universe would praise him for making such a heroic and selfless sacrifice. However when a past version of him learns that the universe still thinks he is an insane idiot, he decides, "fuck it. If they won't be grateful, I will wipe the slate clean. Literally". At the start of Endgame when the Avengers crash his little farm the only thing he says to them as they punch him is, "you should be grateful".
Also he's called the mad titan
That would rely on anyone presenting an alternative opinion or ideology that both addresses his grievance and doesn't involve genocide, but the heroes just say "We don't trade lives" even though Thanos's ideology is stupid as fuck.
@@vazak11 it was either that or.. and hear us out.... He gets a boner for the personification of death... and would you want a movie all about a Big purple dude going on and on about how he wants to lay in bed with death?
@@vazak11 What If? Episode 2 - Tchalla turned Thanos into a Ravager, and they even used a better alternative, but Thanos is still clinging to the snap idea
"His murder soulmate Optimus Prime" this is the best way to describe their relationship.
Also a good way to describe Batman and the Joker.
@@irondolphin9387 Except that with the joker, Batman keeps fightzoning him, and refusing to take their relationship the full murder way. Punching him, but never finishing him off.
@@hedgededge1436 Batman is such a tease.
@@hedgededge1436 It's a shame too, the Joker is such a nice villain. Plus his fedora looks sweet.
His hate boner wasn't strong enough.
I've always just loved the pure evil villains because ultimately, the story is about HOW the main character defeats them. Yes, they will be defeated, evil will not win. but how? Ozai from ATLA is pure evil, we dont know anything about him, unlike Azula or Zuko or even Sozin. We don't need to. ATLA was always about Aang and his friend's growth into better people and him becoming the Avatar he was meant to be. And the terrible things he does, like GENOCIDE and MURDER, do not need to be justified.
We do learn a little bit more about Ozai in the comics, and all it does is make him even more evil
15:00 one of the best stuff of the prequels was that they made palpatine a lot better, he becomes a great villian because he is controlling both sides of the war and he gets away with it not only that but his relationship with anakin specially in revenge of the sith just makes his character better, while anakin doubts and fears for everything ,he is dominating the galaxy and people celebrate him for it
the reason they wrote Thanos the way they did is because he's literally an insane person who believes his own lies
they don't call him The Mad Titan for nothing
i'm just sayin'
They didnt call him "the Mad Titan" in the movie tho.
If you're going to use his in comic nickname, give him his in comic motivation. He wants to bang death.
@@WhaleManMan They alluded to it.
Exactly this. Only a psychopath comes to the conclusion that wiping out half the universe is the noble and moral option. Why not snap his fingers and subtly modify the drives of all life forms so that as they grow more intelligent they become increasingly content with what they have and only reproduce at replacement fertility rates? Because that wouldn't have allowed him to get his evil off by wiping out half the universe, that's why. As Orwell said, "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power."
@@elineverstraeten1872 ikr why couldnt he just double the recourses lmao
"Your overconfidence is your weakness"
"Your faith in your friends is yours"
"Heh, your faith in your mama..."
"What was that?"
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Yo mama so fat, Jabba the Hutt said
"Daaaaaaaaaaaaamn!"
Funny i seem to remember gravity being Palpatine's big weaknesss.
@@briankeys5941 Yo mama's so stupid, she tried digging for buried treasure in an X-wing.
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Yo mama so dumb, she thought Jar Jar comes with Pickles Pickles!
My favorite ‘Pure Evil’ villain is the original Michael Myers from Halloween. He was the original Horror villain, he’s still very creepy (again, at least the very original), and he fits most, if not all, of the criteria mentioned here. At least, we think so. But again, that’s a lot of the fun. We don’t know what’s truly going on behind that mask. It’s also worth noting that before any of the sequels or reboots, he was considered just a man. A really, really powerful and sneaky man.
meh, he's just a slab of flesh. No personality, no interest. He's a damn bowling pin. If you want PROPER pure evil character in that franchise, look at Halloween III. And yes, I like that movie.
He’s not even a man, he’s so inhuman that the movie credits him as “The Shape”.
my favorite would have to be Light Yagami there I said it hes pure evil
One villain that comes to mind when thinking about this trope is MHA's All for One. He is absolutely evil and diabolical lord of villainy who just loves to twist in the knife and and show how he controls every situation with his evil plans and deeds. I love to watch him on screen but also love when he is caught of guard and is defeated because of hos over confidence.
"No, no, no... I can’t die like this... not when I’m so close... and not at the hands of a filthy bandit! I coulda saved this planet! I could have actually restored order! I wasn’t supposed to die by the hands of a child-killing psychopath! You’re a savage! You’re a maniac! You are a bandit AND I AM THE GODDAMN HERO!"
- Handsome Jack, reverse Vegeta
Charles Edwards not quite pure evil, but just as fun.
Not pure evil but still a 11/10 villan
Handsome jack takes the "justified villain that does pure evil things" mistake and somehow makes it work to his advantage.
As soon as I read the first line I knew... it was Handsome Jack.
Charles Edwards, I knew this was a Handsome Jack quote when I read “I AM THE GODDAMN HERO”.😂
Anyone else notice that all these core qualities apply to "Delores Umbridge" confirmed that woman was pure evil
@Timothy Young that's because Voldemort is fiction, but most people have met an Umbridge.
Voldemort may want to kill Harry and his friends, but it's mostly because Harry is a roadblock on his path to ruling the wizarding world. If it weren't for the prophecy, Voldemort wouldn't give a crap about Harry. Umbridge? She seemingly dedicates her self to ruining Harry's life in every single little way she can. Voldemort is evil. Umbridge is evil and *petty*.
Of course. Not only did she take such a gleeful and personal interest in torturing children, she basically screwed up our "happy place". She wasn't a big bad like Voldemort was, she felt like an invading cruelty coming into Hogwarts (Harry's home) to ruin everything.
Most of the annoying stuff about Pure Evil characters show up in her personality, but at no point did she really seem to be having a huge amount of fun, except for the occasional giggle. It's really impossible not to hate her at any point in the film.
@@starwarsnerd100 Exactly! I've been saying this for years: Voldemort is not a pure evil villain. In fact he could even be a relatable one. What drives him are his fears of mortality and powerlessness, both deeply human flaws.
The whole point of Voldemort is that anybody can become him. He's the asshole kid in school that thinks it's okay to bully because he was bullied too.
He's the drug addict that rode the high until he was only trying to escape the low afterwards.
Everything he's doing is because one of his shitty choices led him to this point and the alternative is giving up and dying like a Muggle, the one thing he tried to escape from all his life, so for him the only way is up and further up even if it means he has to pile up bodies to get there (Berserk reference).
Voldemort is an example of how choice can block your path if you don't look the other way once in a while.
Funny how the mainstream went from fully evil, to redeemable evil to plot twist villain and finally back to fully evil again
This is something I wish they'd bring back in comics. Nowadays it seems every villain is being given a tragic backafory to explain why they are a villain and it's just not interesting anymore. What hapoened to bad guys who were bad because they were bad?
The Riddler is one of the best examples of this. When his backstory was first introduced they said that as a kid he entered into a contest at school to see who could solve a puzzle the fastest. He wanted the glory and satisfaction that comes with winning but he didn't want to work for it so he broke into the school at night and learned how to solve the puzzle. He won and learned that winning feels great so he started commiting impossible crimes just to show how smart and awesome he was. And to further prove how much smarter and awesomer he is than everyone else, he left puzzle clues beforehand that could only be solved by someone as smart as him.
Flash forward 50 years and now he commits crimes to prove to his abusive father that he really IS a smart little boy because his dad used to think he was a cheater and he beat him for it. Oh and the clues? That's no longer to taunt the dumb people. That's because he has severe ocd and just can't help but leave clues even if he doesn't want to.
It's just not interesting or necessary. Sure, some villains having tragic pasts is intersting but it's like they decided that ALL villains need one.
ikr? there was a villain in a Marvel imprint from the 80s that had a nonexistent backsotry: he was was a college professor that had lost interest in teaching, and while climbing the Rockies one summer gets hit by weird radiation (it's the inciting incident for the whole imprint) and gets superpowers, including mind control. So, he figures "ok, I've got powers, some others have them too; we're gonna replace humanity and I"ll rule the world" I know that sounds familiar; I said nonexistent, not original.
Thanos is a cult leader. That he is so weird. His "sympathetic" motivation is a lie he tells himself. He litteraly has disciples.
Disciples, for future reference
@@stairwaytoheaven8 His vision didn't make any sense at all. His plan to wipe out half of all life would not have improved the quality of life in the universe or prolonged it's existence. If he really wanted to deal with universal resource shortages, he had the power to create as many new resources as he wanted. Nothing about what he did made sense from the perspective of balancing the universe.
@@sayerglasgow115 He is the Mad Titan just so you know.
@@iamthesenate5769 And you are The Senate just so you know.
@@diablo.the.cheater Yes, I'm fully aware of that.
This just brought to mind another reason why it was a mistake to bring Palpatine back for the sequel trilogy; he was never the most threatening villain. Easily the most powerful, but everything that made the originals & the prequels great was centered around Vader. Palpatine was basically just an inciting incident.
Everything that was great about the prequels is obi wan and palpatine
It did have some continuity precedent in the Legends canon (which may or may not have done a better job of fleshing him out as a chess master), but yeah-it wasn’t handled well in RoS.
The sequel trilogy was a mistake all around. They should have just adapted Kyle Katarn or some other decent, non-disruptive sequel, they had 3-5 of those written already from before the buyout.
@@Nerthos Or even just used George Lucas' story treatments like they told him they would.
It’s why it was a mistake to give him a prequel story in the books, and ESPECIALLY to start the palpatine clones that we in the legends eu.
With the popularity of Jack Horner I really hope that pure evil villains come back in fashion because I LOVE PURE EVIL VILLAINS. I just love there self confident cocky and flamboyant flare for the dramatic. And I love seeing them have a mental breakdown when the hero just breaks them and they have no idea what to do.
While it's not surprising, this is what makes All For One work so well as the Symbol of Evil in MHA.
His backstory is simple, and barely matters for what he does, he was a kid born in the first generation of quirks who liked reading comics and whenever he did he supported the villains and was disappointed at the fact that the heroes always won in the comics, and as soon as he got his quirk he named himself after it and began to steal the ones of others while causing suffering to others.
His motivations are rather straight forward, as he said *''In the same way you aspired to be the hero of justice, I yearned to be the king of evil. Simple as that. I had the power to embrace these ideals and embody them. If I can live eternally through this ideals, then no effort is too great for me''.*
And we've already seen him suffer a breakdown when he was outplayed, as New Order revolted against Tomura, he loses his cold and screams ''All Might's Ghost!'' against Star as he, for the first time, really fears about losing, as his ultimate creation nearly dies thanks to Star.
17:00 One of the reasons JoJo's really hooked me was how refreshing it was to have such an affably evil villain as Dio. In one episode you get both the "he's evil and loves it" when he kisses Erina, and the payoff when Jonathan subsequently socks him in the face after a decent while of trying to tolerate his douchebaggery.
and don't even get started on the punch jotaro gave dio right in his skull. oh man do i love this moment the most of the entire fight
Thank you! Dio’s casual evilness has always been so funny to me. Like in part 3 when he makes that politician run people over on the sidewalk for him. He mentally torments him by confusing the guy with his power and essentially making him a murderer. Then he just kills him right afterwards with no explanation.
I do think DIO is an example of a good pure evil villain, however, I do believe most of why he is a good villain comes from the very first episode of JJBA in which he see the world he grew up in and how his father resulted in him having the goals and values he does.
@@arminc4658 Yeah, Dio is weird in that despite getting both a backstory and (posthumously in Part 6, though with a small element of it in Part 3) a slightly more complex motivation than just “rule the world”, he’s still a fantastic example of a pure evil villain.
And he’s not even the only “pure evil” flavor we see. Kira is also a neat take on the trope, being a cold ham and a serial killer who hides his pure evil under a white collar facade. Diavolo has Passione sell drugs to children, but has no interest in being visibly hammy for most of the story-he wants to be both hidden and unchallenged and absolutely brutal. Heck, his motivation is to destroy the one part of his backstory that DID lead to something good happening and be traced back to him. Kars might be a slight stretch (he did at least offer a chance to conquer the sun to his fellow Pillar Folk before murdering most of them), but he’s still an evil bastard contrasting nicely with his honorable minion Wamuu. Tooru is probably the most boring of the bunch, but he gets Jobin as a proper foil and the climax is half focused on dealing with the literal force of nature that is his Stand and half focused on a plot device race at the Higashikata mansion for the New Rokakaka, meaning Tooru himself isn’t really carrying the story. Heck, we even get a number of pure evil minions we find satisfying to punch: Cioccalata is a sadistic douchebag of a doctor who gets murdered over seven pages, for example.
@@Dr.JonathanCrane DIO's death was purely a result of his own arrogance. He thought he had become unstoppable, so he swung for Jotaro with his weaker leg, and he lost because of one other simple fact.
He pissed off Jotaro
"I do it all because I'm evil! This is the life you see, the devil tips his hat to me! I do it all because I’m evil. And I do it all for free...your tears are all the pay I'll ever need!" -Voltaire
The nostalgia... 😩
@@jeoffjefbeldad2720 You should listen to his other songs. They're REALLY good.
An addition to this: the first time I heard this song (not the only great song by Voltaire, of course), it was set to a montage of Loki from the MCU. Perfect match.
i thought i was the only one who knew that song
@@Springxnich21 No, no you're not. It's voltaire's second most popular song.
The first character in a while I was able to think of the moment watching this was Jack Horner from Puss in Boots.
"Y-Y-You're not gonna shoot a puppy, are you Jack?"
"Yeah, in the face, why?"
“YOU’RE AN IRREDEEMABLE MONSTER!”
“Woah, woah, what took you so long, *idiot?* “
I love the orchestral version of MJ's "Bad" in the background of the whole video.
Oddly enough, I loved Thanos in Infinity War, however, it's Endgame that shows who he really is. MCU Thanos only loves one things: Winning. It's proven in all of his good moments. He loves Gamora because she became EXACTLY what he wanted her to be: the perfect living weapon. Remember what he did to Nebula, the one who wasn't perfect like Gamora. Remember how much he loved her? If you want more examples, I have them.
The point is: Thanos is a simple villain, his big flaw is a fear of failure.
It also serves as a great foil for Tony who is worried that the universe would end without him. His willingness to sacrifice himself rather than other people shows that he has faith that it won’t.
Yeah, I think Red's take on this only applies if you take Thanos at his word on what his motivation is. In truth, he is meant to be decently unhinged. He's strong, sharp, and cunning, and has convinced himself that his goals are noble, but his sense of justice is completely delusional, in a Harvey Two-Face sort of way. And we're meant to keep that in mind every time he talks about his philosophies.
"I just wish I was loved as much as I love skinning puppies!"
Why did you Cruella de Vil and Zuko, Red? Why would you do this, Red?
She's implying that Zuko is Carlos's dad. (I'm kidding.)
She wants to skin the avatar, because daddy issues and a sense of fashion.
Dark Pit.....
Haha, nice profile pic.
@@fairycat23 Oh my god.....