Godskin Noble's Instant AOE | Elden Ring
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- "When you fight the Boss vs when you unlock him as a playable character"
I got straight juggled by the Godskin Noble's belly flop attack in my first playthrough, but how does it's speed and effectiveness compare in PvP with the player version? I take a casual look into this and do some cosplay duels as the Godskin Noble(Objectively better than Godskin Apostle, this is canon in the lore), trying to make use of the various black flame sells.
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0:00 The First Playthrough Experience
0:48 Discovering the usable Spell
0:58 That attack is how fast?!
2:34 How does the player version compare?
4:07 Cosplay duels w/ Commentary
17:10 Thanks to my Patreons :) 
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This video was done in a bit more of a one-shot/casual style instead of my usual 8-20 mins videos which are fully scripted and super tuned with graphics for basically everything I'm saying. These videos will come a lot more often, usually with the title in the format of " | Elden Ring", while my high effort videos will come once every 1-2 weeks likely. I'll also use these quick videos as a way to complete things you guys request in a timely manor so I can stay on course with the high effort videos covering more important & broad topics.
Let me know what you guys think of these videos and what you'd like to see in them!
Loving the idea thus far gonna have to finish the vid later though have to clean out my pc its dusty
I like it a lot, it's enjoyable to hear you
Love your content, can we expect ER streams in the future?
Doing God(skin duo)'s work. Anything you make is amazing, keep it up
This is a cool idea, and i guess its also healthier for your yt, i REALLY liked the fact that you still covered some of the frame data of the stuff u are using, the preduel section was p cool
Really do hope some of the black flame incantations get buffed, I like the idea of a viable godslayer build
Tell Maliketh to unseal it
No buffs for anything only nerfs
Gonna make everything completely nerfed around pvp and fuck over the pve in the process
@@deskslam4232 god if there’s one thing i hate about FromSoft it’s their constant “balances”
godskin build is funnier with ashes of war instead of incantations cus both weapons don't benefit from faith-scaling, and the godslayer seal requires a lot of it
@@deskslam4232 Pve is already fucked, you literally have to consciously choose not to use many items and weapons to try and not kill bosses super easily. Blood makes this game free and by far the easiest souls like game.
Something I noticed about the Noble is that with his side roll atk, he seems to do it almost forever, or at least until you either get hit by it or you block it.
Noticed that too, I'd love to take a look at his AI script sometime lol
In the Godskin duo fight I would get him stuck on the pillars between us and he rolls for like a solid 30 seconds before giving up
Yeah he’s an odd fight indeed, despite him still being really easy. His slender counterpart is a totally different question. Whole helluva lot harder, even though still really manageable if you’re not too far deficient in what you have and what you can use and do combat wise. Also noticed that you only ever get to fight these two, a total of 3 times for each of them, and no more. Once separate each in their respective boss rooms, once separate in wild areas, and then paired up on Azula. I personally would’ve loved to have had them as recurring enemies that showed up more and more the further and further you progressed into the game. Each time getting harder and harder to beat than the previous area they were fought last. Kinda like the Cleanrot Knights. Would’ve made for a great challenge to try to get better and better at fighting these two. Or at least that’s what I would’ve liked for to have been done with them.
@@nicklewry3854 lmao nice🤣
Weird thing about that, and what makes me wonder just how long he truly can go for, and what dictates him stopping or just going and going, is that when you fight him on the bridge to get the death mark, I had him rolling for like 3 min cuz I would keep on doing BHS and alternating crouching and standing while running and rolling around to avoid his jelly-roll (ima definitely call it that now, that’s too good not to call it that 🤣🤣😅) until he finally hit me cuz I messed up one of my dodges.
I hate how some of these bosses have instant and unpredictable aoe attacks. Godrick's stormcaller is another one. Idk, Elden Ring is the only souls game were I would say some of the main bosses are genuinely unfair and can easily be fixed with minor tweaks.
Why i feel no remorse in cheesing them
And now radahn, one of the most fairly telegraphed, spectacular bosses, is the one that has chicken hp
beast clergyman's dagger r1 spam as he backs away out of melee range comes out like 3x faster than any real dagger, including the dagger in question when you get it.
the very cadence of that attack became a thing I would imitate out loud mockingly whenever I used a dagger after finishing that fight. I've never had individual attacks from bosses inspire me with as much contempt as some of the worst in this game.
Godrick Storm attack is easily reactable and doesn’t do enough damage to be a problem when you get it
It’s very weird how so many people decide that elden ring bosses are unfair just cause they can’t react to one specific attack that does practically no damage.
@@irurwurst That’s a lie, this attack has a huge telegraph that make it very easy to dodge everytime, he always get in the same « stance » position before triggering this attack.
On my first playthrough I just fought him two time and I was able to understand how to dodge this attack, so no excuse.
It very annoying to see people say so much wrong things about this game, if you can’t dodge something do research before saying it’s unfair.
Godskin nobles roll attack is really weird. Some times he'll just stop rolling with no animation and do something else. Sometimes after that stop he'll just start up again with no animation and continue rolling.
I’m fairly sure he only does that when there’s either a second player or a summon in the fight, because I’ve only ever seen him do that in those situations. Otherwise he just rolls normally.
@@DarknessInStraya he does it solo as well, both during singular fights and the godskin duo
During later fights he'll cancel the rolling animation into other attacks and then immediately resume it. After the roll hits you he'll stop... unless. If he switches aggro after the startup of the roll spell he'll roll for the full duration even if he hits you. Meaning he can hit you multiple times.
odd. pretty much every time I've fought him he's been super easy. I have a clip of my first interaction with him on my other account. ruclips.net/video/PcI-aNPEN80/видео.html
Wait I've never seen the second part, that's like, DS1 Ornstein Dash levels of jank, do you have a clip?
As someone doing a black flame build this spell is the worst of the god slayer incantations. Black flame ritual does more damage than a fully charged noble presence most of the spells in this class have their flaws but I always found a situation to use them all effectively except this one.
The only use i found for it is against the invisible black knives, faster than most other aoes, doesn't cost much in fp(i can at most get two wotg with my build, but 3-4 of these) and can perma-stunlock them if you time the charge properly.
Anywhere else though? Nearly every other spell is better.
Man they have one of the best ost in the game
erd tree avatar is really good too
They reuse the same music for a lot bosses/areas, other than that it's great
@@Twilzeth yeah that’s a bit unfortunate but it’s understandable as a product of the open world. All of the major bosses get their own at least, I enjoy the one the Astels have
I'd say my favourite ost's are 1.godskin 2.rykard 3.radagon
@@Twilzeth but this is only for the godskin
What is so weird to me is when a spell is useless in pve and pvp. I get some are made for one of the other, but you get spells like this and you just wonder why
Cough cough all the necromancy spells
Why'd they even make em if they're all so bad/outperformed by other spells.
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 madness spell dont cause madness to enemies but do stagger them a lot, you can stun lock bosses with some of them so they do work quite well in pve as well
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 it works on all "tarnished" enemies afaik
@@rubles3143 The funny is that they showcase that -summon skeleton attack- in the trailer and looks really cool, but when you use it in the game...
@@LeoSoulEater the tree sleleton one? Yeah pretty goof.
Really hope the blackflame incantations get more love in the dlc. They're such a cool concept and would love to see more of them and have the current ones buffed a bit
It's unfortunate as this could've been a great alternative to catch flame if it was as quick. Unfortunately that is still the only fast casing incantation.
The instant belly aoe is indicative of lots of problems in boss design in this game. He's not the only boss who has stupid stuff like this. Whether or not you can react to it, you can't do anything if you're in an animation, which you probably are because you're trying to punish him for the attack he just made.
Thank god you mentioned how broken bloodhound's step is. This busted skill ruins PvP and makes PvE a joke.
The problems began with DS3, tbh. Bosses like Sulyvahn forced the player to consecutively roll too often for the fight to feel truly dynamic and exciting. Many enemies felt designed with the Bloodborne player character in mind, where a "dodge-hit-dodge-hit" pattern could be used. However with the DS player character, it was more "roll-roll-roll-roll-roll-hit", which isn't Bloodborne but it's also not the methodical pace that DS1 had. it's an odd middle-ground between the two.
Now for Elden Ring, they took that kinda minor issue and magnified it, along with bosses that have excessive AOE's, too long combos, insane delays, and gank fights. It frequently creates a situation where the player is forced to cheese the fight, or get cheesed by the boss's bullshit mechanics. Don't get me wrong I still love the game, but it's SO WEIRD that the boss fights are the weakest part of a FromSoft game!
Eh. You can get behind this boss pretty easily, and spirit ashes exist.
Dont say spirit ashes are a bad way to play when summoning them is heavily encouraged when there are a bunch of support war ashes and mogh's rune exists.
Bloodhound step is although laughably overpowered.
@@dasanibrack1687 but what if I want to fight the boss like one vs one not using ash of war? The only way to do that is bloodhound step
get behind the boss????
I defeated this boss without spirit ashes or a summon before I knew what bloodhound step was.
Literally circle behind him and do heavys. I used a winged scythe faith build and had little issue after my 4th attempt.
And I was I believe lvl 74
If you wanna use a op weapon ash go ahead... but don't even say it's the only way to do this fight 1v1. This boss can even be parried...
This enemy is less of a boss and more of a miniboss tbh. Just has a strong ass front attack. And the worlds most annoying roll.
As addressed in the video, there's a big difference between being able to react to something you are 100% expecting and reacting when thats just 1 option out of many. I'm able to react almost 100% of the time to a Dagger R1 if im 100% concentrated on that unique move, but thats impossible during the development of a real fight between many other options and timings are thrown at you too, so your brain isn't fully focused on that one move to roll it at soon as you see it coming.
I hate the fact this game has PvP. I don't even play PvP but things get "buffed" or "nerfed" because sweaty tryhards who count frames of weapons get upset. I'm just killing enemies, so why do I care for "balance?" Lol, I need to get more mods
@@Kronos0999 average RoB/Moonveil fan
@@nachalnik5738 I tried swords, but I just get blood all over my armor. Spells
@@Kronos0999 lmao average caster player
@@de5pa1r34 Lmao, average reddit user.
I remember jumping over the giant jump slam he does in Phase 2 so I could punish it (00:16 in the video basically, but a bit closer) and was shocked and pretty annoyed that Godskin Noble could nearly instantly punish me with this move after just 1 swing, pretty close to what we see in the video. Side note, the fact that said big jump move has SUCH a quick recovery is really annoying, same with the roll - they're big animations and the window to punish them can be super narrow and only with certain weapons.
Once I got the player version I was pretty excited but damn was it underwhelming - or maybe this video will convince me otherwise!
On the topic of themed builds, a fallingstar build themed off of fallingstar beast and Astel would be cool, I should try that. Would totally suck but the wing of astel is fun to use.
I've actually been thinking of doing an astel/rot Outer god themed int arcane build (assuming rot buildup is based off of arcane, which I'm actually not sure about, considering frostbite isn't) mainly using astel's wing, the flail you get from his remembrance, and the scorpion's stinger which is implied to be a body part of either him or a related entity, alongside some bow to peg rot arrows at people with. Also of course the meteor spells, world of darkness to deal with casters, and whatever random off meta nonsense catches my eye.
If I wanna get really wild I could go for a higher level build and add faith for pest's threads, and madness spells
Fallingstar beast jaw is very good, purely for the weapon art. It's basically honed bolt on crack.
Love hearing about Jeenine from other content creators! Especially in DS3 he wasn't getting much love other than from content creators, and now that his channel is growing, it just feels good to see his hard work pay off
Dont know if its only me but that Noble Godskin in church was a lot easier than the one at the approach to Liurnia tower. There are pillars here that stop his flabbering and rolling but there if i missed those balconies at the side of the road to hide in them i was instantly dead.
He dunked me of the tower one time lmao
I used torrent to run away from his rolling ass on the tower. But the thing is this fat fuckin foreskin lover rolls faster than torrent is able to dash. So if I didn’t already have some good distance from him he’d catch up and one shot me. I really don’t like fighting this guy
Remember guys! They gave us crowd control options in this game, 2 sleep pots and the godskin duo becomes a 1 on 1. Just remember to re-aply! Good luck!
not only do fromsoft need to nerf the damage of some bosses' attack, they also need to lengthen some animation. the series is starting to lose the balance between demanding the player to patiently observe the enemies behaviour and improvising.
before bloodborne, there is one simple discipline: observe before taking actions. Peak corners to watch out for ambush；raise your shield and block your enemies attack to learn their animation and hit box range and look for openings.
but now you can no longer do any of those: bosses could feint; new attack would appear to block the openings. Damage is so high that your shield is useless and 9 out of 10 raising it will result in staggering with just one boss's swipe. They could jump and flail your camera around if you lock on.
I just constantly feel like damn if I do, damn if I don't in lots of situations.
I'll tell you what the problem with the bosses in elden ring is.
You are fighting Sekiro bosses with dark souls mechanics. I truly can't be the only person that sees most of these boss attack patterns and thinks, "damn this would be so much fun with Sekiro mechanics!"
@@CinnamonToastKing I think having some bloodbornes player mechanics is enough.
give me a glintlock pistol, and allow me to parry shot Malenia when she was in the air
spamming their waterfagot dance, instead of running away and keep a distance wasting time.
the bosses have such long chains of attack that I am obligate to waste my time even if I dodge them all.
@@williampan29 for simplicity sake I'll agree with you as well. The issue is, that these bosses don't necessarily belong in this game or at least the dark souls mechanics. BUT of course these bosses are doable and my other statement due to the insane amount of NPC and ash summons.....they are clearly not made to be solo'ed!
Its in our faces constantly! Use these, use this?! Or how about that?! This is both dark souls and not souls its crazy!
@@williampan29 we dont have a pistol...but a mortar xD
@@williampan29 the fact that they nerfed the hell out of Radahn but left Malenia and her waterfowl dance the same is absolutely shameful. If you want to do Millicent’s quest line, well f*ck you then
Miazaki: Hey Remember Ornstin and Smough?
Team: Ya? The community love them what about em?
Miazaki: Lets make it again
But awful.
Team: How Aw-?
Miazaki: *YES!*
godskin stitcher was my main weapon for the second half of the game, wish the armor looked proportional but i guess that's what happens when godskin noble himself has stubby ass legs
7:45 - talking about outspacing mages, this is actually pretty easy. As a mage, I have trouble when people start running diagonally from me. Spells can never catch up properly unless we're talking a moon spell or rock sling. But those you can easily roll out. It's the hardest when people consistently challenge me (which is why I use Bloodhound's Step as a counter)
lol i just beated the godskin duo and it's kinda satisfying to see someone else taking about that goddamn insta AoE. In the boss fight, it's one of those things that makes you play entirely around it, kinda like Oceiros's Charge in dark souls 3, you just roll on prediction and play from there. I'm not very interested in the PvP but your videos are always really entertaining to watch.
Stay safe m'man Amir
wow, the Oceiros comparison is too accurate
You can roll the entirety of stars of ruin by sprinting perpendicularly at the start of cast and start rolling before the first bolt lands and continue to roll to the sides.
Not on mid lat and high lat 😭
Hey this was awesome man, so glad I found you keep up the good work
Love your videos, and yeah I feel a bit of a problem with ER is that a lot of things are either over or under tuned. Still love this game to death tho.
And godskin noble would be my prime example of overtuned
I definitely agree on the stars of ruin stuff. It's really just guaranteed damage if the opponent is remotely near the caster. It's really corny that someone should have to have a specific weapon/spell/weapon art in order to avoid taking damage from their opponent pressing a button.
Yes an Amir video
spending all the time to make a build that turns out to not be very strong is always one of the biggest let downs for me
Yeah, save scumming + respec can let u test the waters first tho before making a dedicated build, really saves u time and grief.
@@Amir0 This was me with my usual go to STR build
Some guy recommended that bloodhound step should only be usable if someone is on light load (other than having s nerfed), and that's actually a very good idea. Similar to how ninja flip was nerfed in DS1.
aint there a tear for giving infinite equip load/endurance or somethin?
just pair it with that. that being said you'd have one tear slot and a duration to it. but it would still be cool
@@The3dsstuff That thing also needs a nerf, as of right now, the only ways to not put you at a big disadvantage against them are Law of Regression and run away for 3 minutes.
That sounds like a great idea imo. Not only the nerf affects the Ash of War itself, but also adds more incentive to run a light load build. I've been doing a lot of research on whether or not making a light load build is worth it, and so far I don't think it is (to me atleast). Still hoping for Amir to make one of his breakdown video about it though.
And that’s why instead of spending hours learning timings for different bosses I just abuse bloodhound step
Charging Nobel presence is the best way to use it I feel. Also with scouring black flame it’s awful unless it’s free cam aimed, same as flame of the redmanes
Do you have the stat spread used for this? I wanted to do a similar cosplay, but of the Black Flame Monks. Sadly we don’t get the awesome black catch flame variant they have, not the awesome weapon art they have. Still am intrigued at your godskin noble.
1:26 Does the faster offhand attack speed also apply to heavy thrusting swords as well? Also if your theory about balancing for shield poking is correct, perhaps it applies to any weapon that can shield poke?
Yo Amir, I saw your comment about TS having an active hitbox for 166 ms in your offhand in DS 3, which would go a long way to explain why they were such roll catching beasts.
I have no problem thinking that is true of my precious, the offstoc, but is that also true of the offhand rapier? I felt like the offstoc would catch people way more often. I'm sure some of that is the increased reach, but could some of that be the active frames too?
It was the same for off-hand rapier and all thrusting swords, the thing with rapier was simply players likely just got out of range with the roll too soon for you to take advantage of the meaty hitbox. One weapon that could take advantage of it even better than estoc was the Sage's Crystal Rapier
Godskin stitcher is hella gorgeous and it seems to be pretty good in pvp.
Amir is a legend Orz
So it may not be consistent but I've done it once, when he rolls if you run left and get above him you can just keep running in a circle with him chasing you due to his bad turn radius
This was a good video
I really hope they buff the castspeed for Noble Presence so it would be more differentiated from WoG, so it’s like a quick and tiny damaging AoE to get people off your ass
Wotg costs an arm and a leg to cast compared to presence tho, i think that's the real reason it's so bad... Still, even then i would still prefer presence to be halfway between eotg and rejection in terms of speed
The best way I found to dodge stars of ruin is to dodge to the left then dodge right.
I think it could work with a ultragreatsword type build, kinda like og blackflame in ds1 where its a good sudden attack when people try to get in close
Hey any idea if the big thrusting swords get that slight attack speed buff in the left hand like standard thrusting swords?
Damn, so many cool spells I've missed
I like having lots of varied options as an int caster. Not a one trick pony. People sleep on Carian slicer and the like, but having some kind of close range pure intelligence lightsaber is a really nice way to make melee fighters question when they should push.
The Godskins, as an encounter, are a solid D-. They break too many rules. Tubby's instant cast as you mentioned, the roll that laughs at the concept of stamina and his obscenely fast recovery times. Skinny has an input command reaction and the wonkiest hitbox. The Mr. Fantastic attack is neat, until you realize that you cannot reliably damage the stretched portion of his torso to punish the attack. The input reaction though...not ok. If you flask while he's idle or walking, a fireball is coming milliseconds after the input. The duo fight's revive mechanic is just a gotchya, there's no obvious tell and the mechanic is never used before or after. At least they don't have a command grab with ambiguous active frames, that saves them from an F.
I cheese these idiots every time with less than zero shame, negative shame...pride, I cheese them with pride. It's a unfortunate too, because the motif is grotesquely interesting.
Really seems like From messed up with the balance of a lot of bosses. If we had Bloodborne or Sekiro speed step dodges, then most fights would feel a lot better imo (also the Godskins’ ability to instantly cast Black Fireball is indeed bs)
damn good video
They didn't buff off-hand thrusting swords in Elden Ring, as far as I know. They nerfed thrusting sword attack frame data and tracking quite early on in dark souls 3 (Estoc was the op spam weapon before it), but only in the main hand. The offhand has the same data as it had pre-patch (which might still be slower than mainhand was, I think?). And as ER has pretty much directly ported so much of the mechanics of DS3, this weird balance aberration has crossed over into a game that never even saw the original intent.
Considering how absolutely stupid broken a lot of the spells in this game are, it makes you wonder why they even bothered tuning down the spells we get from bosses. It's not like they ACTUALLY seem to care much about balance with half the crap that squeezes through.
For the Estoc r1 is the off handed swing equal strength? It could be that it’s your off hand so it’s weaker but faster.
Watch his left hand, it's much easier to see the telegraph. The move gives you more than 26 frames, but the telegraph starts sooner than you're counting it.
I remember voicing aloud "I hope I get that spell and cast it as fast as you" during the boss fight. Sadly, I was not able to, nor was I suprised by this. It's a cool one too.
The only attack that has felt like this to me before is a charge that Oceiros did. Significantly different given that a shield could negate all of the damage.
I was actually planning to do a godskin noble/godskin apostle cosplay build as well.
What a soundtrack though. I'll suffer through any bullshit to listen to absolute baller music.
You should also check the great epeé, imo it has the same absurd long r2 as that weapon
How are you getting all these duals on xbox? What pass is it? I’d like to participate. I enjoy your videos and wouldn’t mind getting slammed a few times lol
Godskin Noble ost is a banger
This ability definatelly needs a buff. Either buff range, speed or add super armor during cast since with it's super low range the only way to beat someone is to use it after they go for an attack.
Personally whenever I've run into stars of ruin I've been able to just pop protection of gold, put up my shield and just smack them. That quad magic great bow on the other hand, oh boy. They just charge it up, and the second you animation lock yourself, they release and take most of your HP for basically free. Saw a lot of oneshots at lower levels too.
have consumables on bar, they will have to let go. poison knives, volcano pot etc.
@@DTPandemonium Volcano pot gives them a free hit, even throwing knife can if they have good reactions. The problem's that there's basically no delay between letting go of the button and the arrows going off.
EDIT : I just realized that greatshield poke is a counter. Because that needs to be stronger.
I take it you mean the Quad bow is dangerous when you are the invader vs a gank? Because otherwise its pretty much useless in duels, super easy to roll just extremely punishing if you do get hit by it. You could try knocking them out of the animation with a throwing knife or something similar since that won't anim lock you for long enough.
Strikes with lead hand are fasting in real life too.
I found a glitch where radahns twinswords have this effect. Might be ps4 only but with giants talisman , spin the right and left stick mid starcaller cry and it should send them in random directions
ngl your voice is kida smooth nice to listen to
Character even had the braid and all his weapon swaps lol.
At 4:00 I'm not saying it's a viable spell but you don't lock on with it, you throw it out where they will be with left stick, rightstick only effects height.
Sidenote about the rapiers: is that for all rapiers or only the cleanrot one?
What video editing software are you using?
adobe premiere 2019
They gave a boss a DP. We fighting games now.
Black flame ritual is actually really good for catching aggressive players. Especially people who spam rivers of blood. They’ll take a couple ticks before they can move out of it.
Regular quickstep is OK at dodging stars of ruin. And you still have a chance of getting clipped if you dodge bad.
I hope something is done about bhs soon
you know you can change the button prompt icons to kbm instead of xbox controller in this, right amir?
Ye I did recently
I'm not sure if I missed it in the video but does anyone know what SL he is? I've only found 1 or 2 duel signs so far at level 50.
My level was 125, the lowest I'd imagine people would be doing duels is 100.
Physique is fizzeek
Physick is fizzick
The Cleanrot Knights prolly knew about that thrusting sword fast attack thing…
Why does the black flame blade buff incantation last for just a couple seconds when other buffs last about a minute?
Because... Well... "f**k you", apparently. 🤷♂️
I mean, the fire leave a lasting burn that eat through you health. On the other hand, we have the bloodfire that Burns AND build up bloodloss. . . The 1st last 8 to 10 seconds... The other like 20-30. . . . .
Nah, really, I tried to put it in any perspective : there's plenty of weapons, arts, and spells that feels unbalanced to not say untested.
I’m not sure if it’s an actual thing but I think off hand thrusts are shorter ranged than main hand
Nobel presence is how I killed alecto the first time. You can stun lock for all your stam
noble presence should be as fast to come out as catch flame, if not faster; but with a longer recovery.
i was exited for it on my faith build, but i decided to just forget it as bad.
i‘m also kinda very upset with the redmanes flame and the similar blackflame wave. they consider your aim, and constantly hit the ground; you dont even get half their range often.
im totally fine with voiceover.often results in more informative commentary
Given elden ring's higher softcaps, especially on vigor, what do you think would be the best level for PVP? I know Ds1 and Ds3 were 125 with DS2 being 150.
Lotta people are saying 120 which I personally think is a joke. I recently did ng+ at 150 and it's pretty much just abusing % damage like black flame spells and stacking all of the buffs. Compare this to DS3 where 125-140 could pretty easily get you to ng+3-4. Even summons like Tiche are relatively useless as it's only 1 summon with % damage as opposed to 2 co-op people. I think you can have a "balanced" level for pvp but the current state of the game is a joke but 150 seems pretty fine so far
125
Actually need to choose what your build focus should be instead of everyone being quality build poise monsters.
@@barnebyoconnell8176 The point I raised is due to vigor's gains going well to 60 rather than veering off at 40 like in dark souls. Plus, STR and DEX scale better to 55 rather than 40.
Also poise monster quality was feasible at 125 in DS1 and DS3.
stars of ruin should be dodgeable
if you pressure them they will just use carian slicer or outrade you with moonveil
I feel like a lot of DS vets are treating Elden Ring as if it's "Dark Souls 4" instead of "Elden Ring"
I get the instinctive comparison because of its many similarities, but it's a different game. You can recognize that Bloodborne is a different game, and Sekiro is a different game, so please keep in mind that this isn't just a new & revamped Dark Souls entry.
I agree, but how so?
@@mayonnaise2396 I'm somewhat confused that you both agree, but also ask "how so"....
Just a warning; because I'm somewhat confused by what you mean, this will also be long:
(the TLDR, is players who for some reason feel an issue with the use of non-melee tools which wouldn't exist in a DS Title, yet something similar might be accepted in Sekiro or Bloodborne)
(1)For starters, Amir's take on bloodhound step as an . Despite it only being an , and not providing damage. Despite the game also not allowing instant hotswaps while being in the middle of an action, and showing a clear animation when players change weapons. Despite it showing a direction in which the player dodged to, and the ability having predictable distance/movement, and target lock still working after the person re-appears. I suspect that he wouldn't have this issue if it was a unique ability from sekiro, but on this game he's mentioning it likely because of the subconscious similarities to DS3. (even though there are other s in other ashes of war/weapon arts, which are just as long or maybe longer)
(2) The constant "git gud" type of comments when a nerf happens, or when criticizing "magic is too OP/needs a nerf, and 2h isn't strong enough" of people. However when further reading their comments, what they really mean is
"play melee only, but use blood procs on your weapon because otherwise you can't do enough damage with your weapon to kill a boss reasonably fast.... but don't use spells, or powerful weapon arts, or anything else. Only blood procs (which can actually do more damage/be more cheese than spells) and dodge roll!"
Those types of comments bring back a semblance of DS3 players who miss when bleed used to be strong, and threw magic spells aside because they're not all that great in DS3, and they feel like "lessening the difficulty of the game" is somewhat dishonest gameplay.... yet they lessen the difficulty by using powerful bleed setups... but that's ok, because "it's melee"
(nothing against players who just prefer playing melee or 2h or w/e. My comment is about people who feel like "using other tools, depending on the encounter" is somehow playing dishonestly... even though it would be perfectly appropriate in sekiro/bloodborne)
3) There are already many similarities in the feel of the general gameplay, and some of the UI design/armor & weapon aesthetics which would create subconscious bias.
@Pancakedotcom yeah, exactly
It wouldn’t be SO bad if he didn’t do it every single God damn time I swing my weapon.
I’ve made a few playthroughs and I’ve never seen the belly spell :0
I have hit someone with a fully charged noble presence it was funny as hell.
I've been using this spell in pvp to great success. Mostly to punish people trying to roll or quick step behind me. It requires some pretty hard reads but I've gotten sick launches or clutch interrupts on people with this.
Seriously I you can condition someone to blood hound step to you with good casting speed you can quick cast or partial charge it to punish. Especially if your opponent doesn't know you have it.
Hey do you play clash alot because I play with an Amir YT
bloodhound step is great.
for PVE.
I hope it isn't ruined for PVE for PVP, but also doesn't ruin PVP
I think it’s fucking hilarious that the noble cape is moobs and a belly 😂 btw, do you think it’s possible to make Black flame blade work/viable?
I know it sounds dumb but iheard that if you roll into the godskins noble spin you go through it every time, asmongold mentioned it on a stream.
It works 100%, just tried it out today during the godskin duo, you dont even have to time it that well, just press forward and roll, you clip right through him XD
Not the case, you do have to time it. I didn't even know you could block it so I always rolled through it, and if you roll too early and are still in his hitbox at the end of your roll you'll take full damage and get knocked down.
Anyone else feel like easy version of the flame incantation needs like 1-2 more incantation
which grace is that?
What are your thoughts on the great rapiers? I've been loving them currently but I feel that might just be due to the weapon being super powerful, the running R2 is definitely notable but I feel the speed of the attacks, cancellable R2s, and the godskin stitcher's unique double-poke R2 are all feeling super strong to use. It might just be the enemies I'm fighting, I've been letting people invade me (while solo) at level 160 right at the first steps. I can't tell if they're all overconfident in their cheese builds or are just new players, but they do not respect my damage or range in the slightest (most of them that is).
Great rapiers are an amazing addition and some of the weapon arts that go with it are just icing on the cake
Thats a certified git gud moment
Never seen these attacks
Belly spelly
against groups of mages using stars of ruin, carrian retaliation works wonders
What's the build?
whats the fastest standing weapon attack?
Dagger R1 I think.
I just used to Azure comet to obliterate him
Noice