Sucks because I will have a really good comp going and just cannot find anything for multiple turns in the shop. Sometimes you’ll have the best comp and someone’s hero power just takes them that much more over the top.
I think the main reason for it is the Divine Shield ele on T6 able to make your 3 important elementals not just stats but DS stats. Thats why they are so strong in the endgame.
I think the main reason is free rolls. People strongly underestimate infinite rolls, your consistency is just brutal. You WILL hit all other pieces with consistency. Thats why pirates and elementals have a slightly weaker endgame because they will get all their pieces due to economy
The good thing about mechs are you don't need deflecto to win. You can beatbox, foe reaper, greymane, utility drone with drakari. Or a combo of all of them. Scraper can be played with brann, murk eye, rylak, draconic, and even Titus/macaw on rare occasions. Not to mention scrap spell, and easyish tripple with zilliax. Only problem is you need to be able to pivot with mechs and every game will look a bit different. You won't be able to play the same 5 cards every game and win.
Duo meta is kinda the same for endgame but the early is much different because of the huge hp boost you have. In duo quilboar is SS because you have more time to scale and have the posssibility to just support your partner while scaling
Yep. Won yesterday with high stat demons, my partner used the fish, plus reborn magnanimoose plus baron. Basically he played my entire board, before I even got to see the enemy :)
Give me that back over the current Beasts. It's horrible to play against, not necessarily because it's strong but because of the slowness of all the 1 damage self hits etc 😴
@@RyanPST88 playing duos on phones is horrible simply due to beasts existing. Teammate going bestseller means i lose so much time and can't play any high APM.
The hell happened to this game? I've stopped playing somewhere between naga and undead release. Back then 50/50 hydra was something winning you the game and what is this now? Each tribe casually going 500/500 and more... Bruh back then you couldn't even really buff neutral cards like brann and now I see clips of him being huge as well.
1) I Ran beast when having hero that copies units of enemies for 1 coin from last battle. So i went beast coz oponents ran beast. And i also stole the deathratel fish guy.
I feel like murlocs deserve C tier above beasts and managerie. They suck because they are too hard to get online, but at least there is something to get online. As opposed to other 2 tribes where you could just wish your cards into existence and they still kinda suck.
brother, you have my gratitude for the effort you put into this video, i wanted to start playing hs battlegrounds for a long time and this and your other guides are sure a big help. thanks!
"PROS"... ffs just hearing this nonsense makes me sick.. how in RNG mode you are pro? you control the luck? freaking god, that's how brainless this game is... "iM pRo In RnG sHtShOw"
I am glad m'y intuition was good about dragons They are OP af I like m'y tavern 3 Infinite boost strategy when i have good spot Dragon which gains permanent effects, boosting dragon +2+2, and double attack dragon If i have those 3 early i stay tavern 3 forever and ez win The dragon girl also helps building défense which IS one of thé most weakness of dragons in m'y opinion Low survivability(with her, insane durability) thats m'y 4 main dragon cards Then only Come green dragon for me
@@elmerbona1012 no reason. I need to change parameters i guess of the langage suggestions Whenever i write fast, there are suggestions for words and some are just off. No Idea since in French m'y does not exist
with the changes that came after this video, I think mech, dragon and elementals are more or less unchanged in the tier list, but quillboar should now be lower and pirate a bit higher, perhaps their places swapped.
I mean honestly, midrange metas are the worst. Previously if you couldn't get decent board in time, you could always try to get a random triple and grab some chicken that would suddenly make your board viable. Or you could stay lower and do some spell oriented bullshit. Or try to scale with Rylak. Now random dragon boards keep banging you for 15 by turn 7 and there's nothing much you can do to recover, cause there are no more sick token combos.
The game is just so boring now. I feel like there is so much less flexibility and lesser combinations. Beasts and Murlocs are absolutely dead and Dragons are super lame. Buddys, Quests or anomalys would help alot
Even as a beginner who doesn’t know how to scale to these levels my tier list was pretty close except I swore beast was op and elementals felt terrible just don’t know how to play em though
I haven't played Undead the whole season except for 1 game where I managed to "abuse" the grave robber new effect. I feel they need too much to manage to compete in a lobby.
I'd consider Quilboars to be A. Too hard to get it online. It gets devastated by dragons and mechs midgame and is still vulnerable to scam lategame. Super highroll wins you the game - but with everything but beast any superhighroll wins you the game too.
Yesterday I had pokey on turn 8. Still got murdered because I didn't have the support cards. Told my partner not to push for early pokey without any cards but he insisted. We lost in turn 10.
Naga, Quills, and Demons are my top. I like Murloc, but generally the RNG gods hate me every time I try doing murlocs. I personally never do well with Beasts. All in all my order of favorites are: Naga, Quills, Demons, Murlocs, Elementals, Dragons, Undead, Mechs, Beasts, Pirates. I have never won with pirates. This season, I feel like dragons were nerfed because they got rid of a few of the key components of the dragons that made them shine. One of my biggest wins was not even with a direct tribe. I won using a couple of demons, a couple of elementals, a naga, and a couple no tribe.
Odd runs half the same units as spell elementals, with two scam cards usually. It's a great option when there are too many people running elementals and you find the Odd enabler.
I need help with elementals, I feel like if I dont get an insane highroll and am the only one running elementals, i never find all the pieces I need. Rock Rock and Tethys are also the hardest to find 6 drops for reasons beyond my comprehension.
@@JeefHS cheers buddy, do you mind me asking what the change was that shot them back up? I just got back into battlegrounds recently I didn’t see the last season or early patches of this one
i think ur underestimating midgame of menagerie i think it has a few reasonable ways of getting to tier 4 or 5 to switch out of but yeah its horrible late game
Thanks Jeef! This kinda stuff is really helpful for us low ranked plebs. You always sell yourself so short! Your gameplay and decision making is just as good as the list of people you threw up.
Bg is shit... Quils are beyond broken unbeatable endgame Dragons on tier 3-4 just way too strong Beast, pirate, naga completely useless... balance is needed
It was very dominant in s6 (every winner played it) and when s7 started it was still very dominant. I think they overdid it a bit but given the insane time on the animations I'm happy with that.
Slamma was undeniably ridiculous and glad he's gone but they nerfed beasts way too hard Goldrinn is in a decent spot but the self-damage comp is just absolute ass, the scaling is too slow
@@StCreedIt wasn’t S tier last season. It was At the top of A at the highest. It’s good if you have turbulent tombs but that’s mostly it. Elementals and demons(feldrake comp) out scales them reasonably easily
Love the tierlists keep em up! Love seeing one of the best players in the world talking in depth about why certain tribes are better and how to play them!!!
Nah Murloc Battlecry is still amazing. All you really need is 2 or a golden Murkeye, Brann and/or Drakkari, and 2 King Bagurgles. The stats you gained at end of turn are great, and you can still scale throughout your turn if you also have Bream Choral/Bassgill or if you have Brann over Drakkari to Battlecry cycle.
That's exactly what he said in the video, Murlocs are still very great when they get online but the problem is that you get outtempoed and die before you can finish building your setup
Blaster eats your own shields too, plus mechs can get to high hp as well with beatboxer and drone Not to mention that they can regain shield with Deflecto
I though demons were going to be A tier, and maybe also elemental A tier because rockrock is very strong but it's a tier 6 and without it elemental are meh.
In tavern 3 you can get the felbloods and azerite to start scaling and in the midgame you can then get to 40/40 elementals with a few triples. This kills most boards that aren't up to speed yet before they get there.
Beasts are underrated… but only to the fact that you need to get to skyblazer early. If you’ve got a few beasts and get a blue bird early, you’ll scale super fast (with some luck) granted it is the lowest tier, it’s not unplayable. And even after your explanation, I don’t really understand how mechs are S tier…
Even of you get the blue bird, you dont have an endgame, it only gives so a trickle of stats. Nothing to defeat a 300/300 divine shield cleave and 6 other units
The disconnect between the best characters and my rank is insane. They're constructing exodia while I'm struggling through rylak lines
Same here lol.
Sucks because I will have a really good comp going and just cannot find anything for multiple turns in the shop. Sometimes you’ll have the best comp and someone’s hero power just takes them that much more over the top.
luck is skill apparently
another banger from Jeef, gg man
I didn't expect elementals in s tear. With everything else i agree
I think the main reason for it is the Divine Shield ele on T6 able to make your 3 important elementals not just stats but DS stats. Thats why they are so strong in the endgame.
I think the main reason is free rolls. People strongly underestimate infinite rolls, your consistency is just brutal. You WILL hit all other pieces with consistency. Thats why pirates and elementals have a slightly weaker endgame because they will get all their pieces due to economy
"Mechs are the best tribe in the game with guaranteed top 3 spot"
Me about to defy the odds and not get a single deflect-o-bot for my entire mech run:
Yeah. I played it recently and got the grand total of TWO magnetics before I got murdered.
@@StCreed BRO GETS IT! And when you're on the brink of breaking you'd hear bob whisper "you've got this, you're way ahead"
The good thing about mechs are you don't need deflecto to win. You can beatbox, foe reaper, greymane, utility drone with drakari. Or a combo of all of them. Scraper can be played with brann, murk eye, rylak, draconic, and even Titus/macaw on rare occasions.
Not to mention scrap spell, and easyish tripple with zilliax.
Only problem is you need to be able to pivot with mechs and every game will look a bit different. You won't be able to play the same 5 cards every game and win.
@@matthewwells9366 that's a really good point actually, I've been too hyperfocused with just 2 mech builds I forgot about the rest of them
Could you make a tier list for duos as well?
Duos is so much fun right now.
Duo meta is kinda the same for endgame but the early is much different because of the huge hp boost you have.
In duo quilboar is SS because you have more time to scale and have the posssibility to just support your partner while scaling
@@mistermeuh3284 Not really, demons are S tier in duo and mechs are even stronger. Also spell elementals are really strong option.
Yep. Won yesterday with high stat demons, my partner used the fish, plus reborn magnanimoose plus baron. Basically he played my entire board, before I even got to see the enemy :)
Blue bird at Tier 5 feels way too late.
very true, beast don't even have a proper tier 6 minion.
Yep it’s dog. Beasts have no tempo besides goose.
Sure is. Heck it was too late on t4.
The only beast that works now is probably goldrinn
@@seriousyrius7334 doesn't even work that well without slamma, they just don't scale enough against demons and quils
Banana Slammer will not be missed
It should have been tier 6
Give me that back over the current Beasts. It's horrible to play against, not necessarily because it's strong but because of the slowness of all the 1 damage self hits etc 😴
@@RyanPST88 playing duos on phones is horrible simply due to beasts existing. Teammate going bestseller means i lose so much time and can't play any high APM.
@@gulgaffel you can quit out of the app and then reconnect which skips the battlephase
There are times it'll auto concede you, I think they intentionally implemented it.@@garochompo5454
Beast was the funniest tribe… what have they done to my boy😔
Don't listen to this murlocs slander. You should force murlocs every game (for my elo).
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The hell happened to this game? I've stopped playing somewhere between naga and undead release. Back then 50/50 hydra was something winning you the game and what is this now? Each tribe casually going 500/500 and more... Bruh back then you couldn't even really buff neutral cards like brann and now I see clips of him being huge as well.
4:30 You forgot to mention the nerf to False Implicator. Single handedly morphed the meta for demons
1) I Ran beast when having hero that copies units of enemies for 1 coin from last battle. So i went beast coz oponents ran beast. And i also stole the deathratel fish guy.
Tons of value, especially the spreadsheet. Thanks Jeef!
I feel like murlocs deserve C tier above beasts and managerie. They suck because they are too hard to get online, but at least there is something to get online. As opposed to other 2 tribes where you could just wish your cards into existence and they still kinda suck.
brother, you have my gratitude for the effort you put into this video, i wanted to start playing hs battlegrounds for a long time and this and your other guides are sure a big help. thanks!
"PROS"... ffs just hearing this nonsense makes me sick.. how in RNG mode you are pro? you control the luck? freaking god, that's how brainless this game is... "iM pRo In RnG sHtShOw"
Murlocs F tier. What a time to be alive lol
I am glad m'y intuition was good about dragons
They are OP af
I like m'y tavern 3 Infinite boost strategy when i have good spot
Dragon which gains permanent effects, boosting dragon +2+2, and double attack dragon
If i have those 3 early i stay tavern 3 forever and ez win
The dragon girl also helps building défense which IS one of thé most weakness of dragons in m'y opinion
Low survivability(with her, insane durability) thats m'y 4 main dragon cards
Then only Come green dragon for me
Why do you type ”my” with an apostrophe?
@@elmerbona1012 no reason. I need to change parameters i guess of the langage suggestions
Whenever i write fast, there are suggestions for words and some are just off. No Idea since in French m'y does not exist
with the changes that came after this video, I think mech, dragon and elementals are more or less unchanged in the tier list, but quillboar should now be lower and pirate a bit higher, perhaps their places swapped.
„Meta sucks Button“ here ⬇️
pressed the comment, what do I do now
I mean honestly, midrange metas are the worst. Previously if you couldn't get decent board in time, you could always try to get a random triple and grab some chicken that would suddenly make your board viable. Or you could stay lower and do some spell oriented bullshit. Or try to scale with Rylak. Now random dragon boards keep banging you for 15 by turn 7 and there's nothing much you can do to recover, cause there are no more sick token combos.
@@plan3s Undeadge attack scaling is pretty good tho
@@plan3sindeed. I kept getting hit by quillboars and dragons when trying a setup
The game is just so boring now. I feel like there is so much less flexibility and lesser combinations.
Beasts and Murlocs are absolutely dead and Dragons are super lame. Buddys, Quests or anomalys would help alot
Even as a beginner who doesn’t know how to scale to these levels my tier list was pretty close except I swore beast was op and elementals felt terrible just don’t know how to play em though
I dont understand quite well how pirates are so good, arent they a hard tribe to get permastats? I'm confused.
woow thanks for making tutorials for newbs like me o and its also free, not a lot of people do that, God bless you
Why is your head so low put your head in the middle.
I played the other day and all 8 players were going for quilboar...
Mechs!?! Good!?
Since they removed anomalies the game sucks ass. Every game is the same ass thing
I haven't played Undead the whole season except for 1 game where I managed to "abuse" the grave robber new effect. I feel they need too much to manage to compete in a lobby.
KT+Moroes+Titus pretty much always guarantees a top 4, its def worth learning.
I think more than half of my losses this meta are because of tempo boards with deflecto that just 15 people back to back mid game
even with the subtitles on, I dont understand half of what you say
And for duos it’s: quilboars, quialboars, quilboars
Does anyone else hate the new meta? So much start of combat.
what is HuyaGuo's stream? cant fin it on twitc.
Why did they nerf beasts lol
Cause 700/700 mechhorse summons are not very fun to deal with
beasts is so bad that not many even go for it in my 4-5k bracket 💀
Awesome content!! Thanks
When should one consider buying Wrath Weaver on turn 1? It's my least bought tier 1 minion, and that's probably not optimal
I avoid it like the plague. You don't know if you will get a soul rewinder and if you don't go demons it has been hurting you for no return.
Great Vid !!!
can you do the video where you explain how the bestintheworld lost in a tourney so we can learn from your mistakes thank you
So basically, if You wanna win, take mechs, quils or AMP GM, if you wanna have an easy top1-3 game, go dragons.
I'd consider Quilboars to be A. Too hard to get it online. It gets devastated by dragons and mechs midgame and is still vulnerable to scam lategame. Super highroll wins you the game - but with everything but beast any superhighroll wins you the game too.
Yesterday I had pokey on turn 8. Still got murdered because I didn't have the support cards. Told my partner not to push for early pokey without any cards but he insisted. We lost in turn 10.
AMAZ?
No it's Jeef not Amaz, Amaz left hearthstone a long time ago
Naga, Quills, and Demons are my top. I like Murloc, but generally the RNG gods hate me every time I try doing murlocs. I personally never do well with Beasts. All in all my order of favorites are: Naga, Quills, Demons, Murlocs, Elementals, Dragons, Undead, Mechs, Beasts, Pirates. I have never won with pirates. This season, I feel like dragons were nerfed because they got rid of a few of the key components of the dragons that made them shine. One of my biggest wins was not even with a direct tribe. I won using a couple of demons, a couple of elementals, a naga, and a couple no tribe.
Would you consider Odd and Even comps as part of Menagerie?
Odd runs half the same units as spell elementals, with two scam cards usually. It's a great option when there are too many people running elementals and you find the Odd enabler.
I can’t play this patch at all this one kinda ruined bgs for me I was at 9k mmr now I can’t get past 4000
I miss the frogs meta 😢
Any chance on an update video soon for the latest patch? It looks like sheet got updated, but I don't see Rag in any lol is he bad? Thanks!
I need help with elementals, I feel like if I dont get an insane highroll and am the only one running elementals, i never find all the pieces I need. Rock Rock and Tethys are also the hardest to find 6 drops for reasons beyond my comprehension.
I don't find Elementals being a S tier unit, it fits perfectly with pirate in A along with Demons I think
How come beasts are bottom of f tier but on your spreadsheet the self damage setup is in s tier?
the sheet is more up to date than the video
@@JeefHS cheers buddy, do you mind me asking what the change was that shot them back up? I just got back into battlegrounds recently I didn’t see the last season or early patches of this one
i think ur underestimating midgame of menagerie i think it has a few reasonable ways of getting to tier 4 or 5 to switch out of but yeah its horrible late game
Mechs ❤
Murlocs seem pretty sick in Duos. Puddle prancer is pretty sick
I wonder how much this video gonna effect the builds
Wait, why didn’t you ask rdu for his input on this video?
Thanks Jeef! This kinda stuff is really helpful for us low ranked plebs. You always sell yourself so short! Your gameplay and decision making is just as good as the list of people you threw up.
We have an F tier with no C and D tiers? That seem strange
Thank you dude one of the beast video :)
elementals are not s tier, lol. not even A tier
“I suck button” here ⬇️
Bg is shit... Quils are beyond broken unbeatable endgame
Dragons on tier 3-4 just way too strong
Beast, pirate, naga completely useless... balance is needed
Worst meta by far feels like if you dont high roll certain cards its just over and no way to come back
@@Helzart91 ye Quil depend on T3 gem buffs
Mech need Utility drone
Dragon T4 poet
how about a duos tribe tierlist ? ❤
Mech enjoyers eating good
can you do a 2v2v2v2 tier list?
Bruh they right about to patch
Does this tier list change for Duos
Can we get an update to date enablers / commit videos.
spreadsheet
When jeef duo witu jeef to rank 1 and 2?
Thank you friendo! :D
I miss the Quests 😢
Love the excel doc dude
Thanks a lot!
Great Video!
Thanks Jeef
love your work Jeef 💪💪
Great breakdown Jeef
Does anybody know why they nerfed beasts 😅
I'd rather know why they made the animations last longer than a ff8 GF summon
It was very dominant in s6 (every winner played it) and when s7 started it was still very dominant. I think they overdid it a bit but given the insane time on the animations I'm happy with that.
Slamma was undeniably ridiculous and glad he's gone but they nerfed beasts way too hard
Goldrinn is in a decent spot but the self-damage comp is just absolute ass, the scaling is too slow
No idea honestly.
@@StCreedIt wasn’t S tier last season. It was At the top of A at the highest.
It’s good if you have turbulent tombs but that’s mostly it.
Elementals and demons(feldrake comp) out scales them reasonably easily
Love the tierlists keep em up! Love seeing one of the best players in the world talking in depth about why certain tribes are better and how to play them!!!
Nah Murloc Battlecry is still amazing. All you really need is 2 or a golden Murkeye, Brann and/or Drakkari, and 2 King Bagurgles. The stats you gained at end of turn are great, and you can still scale throughout your turn if you also have Bream Choral/Bassgill or if you have Brann over Drakkari to Battlecry cycle.
You just need 2 t6 and 4 t5 cards to play it, its that easy
And still falls short of the others tribes. Numbers don't lie.
That's exactly what he said in the video, Murlocs are still very great when they get online but the problem is that you get outtempoed and die before you can finish building your setup
Would love to see thoughts on duos meta/tribes as well. thanks!!
Mechs - Quilboar x1000
Really Mechs ?
One Blaster and the Shields are gone
Blaster eats your own shields too, plus mechs can get to high hp as well with beatboxer and drone
Not to mention that they can regain shield with Deflecto
@@ultrarotomYT I just now lost a Match against Undead, Divine Shield is useless against them 😂
First
I though demons were going to be A tier, and maybe also elemental A tier because rockrock is very strong but it's a tier 6 and without it elemental are meh.
In tavern 3 you can get the felbloods and azerite to start scaling and in the midgame you can then get to 40/40 elementals with a few triples. This kills most boards that aren't up to speed yet before they get there.
Elementals have recycling elise.
Beasts are underrated… but only to the fact that you need to get to skyblazer early. If you’ve got a few beasts and get a blue bird early, you’ll scale super fast (with some luck) granted it is the lowest tier, it’s not unplayable. And even after your explanation, I don’t really understand how mechs are S tier…
Even of you get the blue bird, you dont have an endgame, it only gives so a trickle of stats. Nothing to defeat a 300/300 divine shield cleave and 6 other units
Valid. Dragons and Quilboar get outta control endgame
“first love the video jeef keep it up”
Also I think the cheatsheet isn't updated for the video @JeefHS
@ampzyh
could you make a tier list what to play if you are full of weedle? 420! like APM not working due to being stoned?? love from colorado
play demons, stay low tier.
-friendly smoker
Don’t be stoned while trying to be competitive or use your own brain bro.
What doesn’t require APM
just play a lot while sober then let your muscle memory carry you to 4th place while stoned, ez game ez life