If you dual wield, starting katana and rivers of blood is op. I use regular katana in my left for powerful strikes added with ROB strikes and using ROB’s ash of war is very effective for the combo
I dual wield Dragonscale in my main hand and RoB in my off hand. I enjoy it more, and I do occasionally throw in the Metoric Ore blade. I just got Hand of Malenia, so Ive been playing around with that, so far, though, been sticking to my Dragonscale. Been fun!
I think the moon veil is better as it has better poise damage and it has better range meaning you can stay slightly out of range from the enemy and still deliver poise breaks while with ROB you have to get up close and the blood effect is not good against most bosses because of how close you have to get to use it and how many of the bosses have immunity to blood loss.
Currently Using x2 uchigatana one with lightening ash of war the other with sacred blade going to change em once i get better ashes a moonvail and Rivers of blood duel weilds with switching in between to make the most amount damage possible Love the game ganna get a handheld with a cool ryzen processor soon and play the game all over again just love elden ring played it 3 times now still finding new stuff
Meteoric is by far the best because I can unga bunga and be a weeb at the same time. But in all seriousness, it has a higher base bleed than the infusible katanas and highest damage for stat investment level at RL125-150, plus significantly faster uncharged and charged R2s
Exactly, M.ore has the power of a heavy with the speed of other katanas, if scaling int, strength, dex this katana and it's ash become amazing, I hated the ash at first but once I learned how to use it the weapon became my favourite
Icecream PS; Moonveil for Number 1 IMO, Ash Heavy for bosses, Ash R1 for everyday enemies and roll catching in PvP, Intelligence is more beneficial as a main stat than Arcane (again, just my opinion lol)
RoB as main and Nagakiba (blood affinity) in dual wielding (left hand - nagakiba) is best for bleed builds, provided that you invest in dex and arcane, but Cold Nagakiba and moonveil at just as good for frost builds, overall for Nagakiba - 8.5/10, RoB -9/10, Moonveil - 8.5/10
Moonveil was originally better than Rivers of Blood, because in the original patch of the game all weapons with arcane scaling were bugged and not receiving the bonus damage from arcane, preventing you from getting full damage from Rivers. They fixed this in either the first or second patch, which is when the game went from everyone complaining about moonveil to everyone complaining about rivers. I don't think either were particularly problematic, it was just that once arcane scaling got fixed EVERYONE wanted to try it out, and the most popular weapon to do that with was rivers.
Wasn't the main issue the stagger damage it would do? Trivialized bosses in PVE with the weapon art and was hard to dodge and staggered the fuck out of you in PVP initially
@@kyleweaver1930 it was never that hard to deal with in pvp, because of a lot of the other problems in pvp. You have to remember this was during the time where you could deathblight off the fire spell without ever swinging your weapon. Plus lots of weapons did pve stagger damage. You still had to dodge stuff. It's not like R2 was jump attack with a greatsword. It was definitely strong though.
Meteoric ore blade is amazing. The aow is super good for poise breaking tough enemies. It's bad against groups but it's elite for destroying elite enemies 1on1
I don't know why but the nagakiba seems a bit heavy when I play with it, it seems slower than other katanas like the uchigatana or the snake katana(so I've used these 3 katanas so far)
Probably useless. Katanas are dex weapons and don't scale well with strength. If you were to try a quality build with a heavy affinity katana it might work though.
@@Help-c5x I just had to try a playthrough to confirm that. Moonveil is a magic/dex weapon. Uchigatana is the only katana that scales well with strength (A scale). Nagakiba scales better with dex (A scale)
Bro, for some reason your videos stopped popping up in my feed. Great list, but I’d drop HoM to 5. The special never hits and consumes way too much stamina. I’d also switch Moonveil and RoB. Moonveil has that range and speed that give it the edge, IMO. Ice Cream!
Have to agree since the nerfs ore blade is the worst katana. But ore blade does have 1 massive purpose and that is budget twinking, Like holy shit it's so easy to meet requirements for ore blade you can be pretty twinked at level 20 if even that high
I’d put serpentine above dragonscale in my testing the dog is better and the move set let’s you get in so many more hits the poison is alright as well but not a factor
I worked super hard through the game for the rivers of blood so i want to like it morebut i think I like moonviel a little bit more. (P.S i might have the wrong build for it so its really a 50 / 50)
Since DPS is generally the most important thing in PvE I decided to do some testing, and found that Rivers of Blood is actually quite bad when it comes to DPS. Katana Time to Kill Damage per Second Uchigatana 2.22 8,228.37 Nagakiba 2.31 7,816.95 Moonveil 4.02 4,544.01 Dragonscale Blade 13.34 1,369.34 Meteoric Ore Blade 16.09 1,135.30 Serpentbone Blade 16.21 1,126.89 Rivers of Blood 16.58 1,101.74 Hand of Malenia 17.1 1,068.24
what is this testing been done on? What stat and weapon levels? What talismans and weapon effects do you have on? What move is being used for the damage?
Uchigatana is better because you can get 2 in the first 20 minutes if you start as samari. But I agree idk why people love rivers of blood it’s late game and does barely 200 damage at max level and attacks slowly
@@allisterrr I am making a vid on my channel explaining how it can kill radagon in 15 seconds hopefully this weekend. So yeah. Uchigatanas will carry you through ng+ if you use it right
@@Senseslol true the range is bad but my build only calls for jump attacks you know it’s a good build when you three shot godskin noble. The only thing is that it’s bad against armored enemies like dragons or commanders
Depending on your scaling. My moonveil is stronger than my RoB, both +10. All I hear is bleed bleed bleed when it comes to that weapon and it’s exhausting seeing everyone put it at #1 because the ash is cheap as hell
I got moonveil early in the game ranked it up beside my uchi the sheath heavy kills most opponents in one attack at a larger range and the uchi with sacred blade ash is simply perfect
I literally just spent like 18 furlcalling thingies to beat the magma wyrm but I have The exact stats to use rivers of blood but cant use the moonveil, but Im at rykard so Im pooped
I'm not agree the river of blood are so patch he not even the Best sorry bro but you should try to make new video after the final patch version with max stats just for show us the real best katana 😉 I already know the best one but you should discovery by yourself
RoB and Moonveil are shitty now, at a point where nagakiba is the best katana ( he has been nerfed too) … so i don’t play with katanas anymore and i hope there is at least a new one in the dlc
@@Prez54 no problem - i am an elden ring master have over 1000 hours in the game, have beaten over 20 different unique playthroughs, and any% glitchless speedrun the game. And i still enjoy your content because the grind is real. Elden ring made a lot of peoples channels blow up, and it makes me want to start my own channel too even tho the game is a year old. I spend a lot of time playing and learning optimized routes i am thinking of starting my own channel teaching people how to set up powerful characters in less than an hour or how to optimize certain builds. Anyway just wanted to show my support. Sorry for the long message. Good work prez.
1 nagakiba (super long and all ashes..)
2 moonvail (best ash)
If you dual wield, starting katana and rivers of blood is op. I use regular katana in my left for powerful strikes added with ROB strikes and using ROB’s ash of war is very effective for the combo
get gud
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You're stating something that's common Knowle since like launch lol.
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I just want to say I love you're videos and was going to do a katana build so this helped a lot thanks
Thanks bro I love your support seriously thank you❤
Stats:
Vigor 45
Mind 12
Endurance 12
Strength 60
Dexterity 60
Intelligence 10
Faith 8
Arcane 22
Total level 150
Great rune:
Godrick’s great rune
Armor:
Ronin’s set
Weapon:
Dual uchigatana’s +25
AoW:
sword dance right hand
Blood tax left hand
Affinity:
Blood
Talismans:
Prosthesis-wearer heirloom
Millicent’s prosthesis
Claw
Bull-goat
Spells/incantations:
None
Wondrous physic:
Dexterity knot crystal tear
Strength knot crystal tear
Try it it’s the best build I’ve made
I will try it for sure bro
@@astralanthony1083 yay
A problem with Rivers of Blood is that it takes awhile to get during a regular playthrough so a player has to rely on other weapons/Kitana until then.
Not really ngl
Uchigatana and Bloody Slash can be grabbed in the first 10 minutes and make a good early game alt
@@0ramyth0 yeah i found youtube video on build this. ngl really op especially early game
Meteoric ore blade is the best katana for giving your enemies hugs (still my preferred sword on appearance alone)
as an arcane/dex player, this video helped a lot. Thanks! :D
no problem bro thank you so much for watching and getting here so fast much love!!!
I dual wield Dragonscale in my main hand and RoB in my off hand. I enjoy it more, and I do occasionally throw in the Metoric Ore blade. I just got Hand of Malenia, so Ive been playing around with that, so far, though, been sticking to my Dragonscale. Been fun!
I use keen nagakiba with bloodflame blade in main hand while duel wielding with RoB. It's honestly busted
I think the moon veil is better as it has better poise damage and it has better range meaning you can stay slightly out of range from the enemy and still deliver poise breaks while with ROB you have to get up close and the blood effect is not good against most bosses because of how close you have to get to use it and how many of the bosses have immunity to blood loss.
Counter point Rob does fire damage which can be use to reset frostbite when power stances with a frost weapon (also a lot of enemies are weak to fire)
Currently Using x2 uchigatana one with lightening ash of war the other with sacred blade going to change em once i get better ashes a moonvail and Rivers of blood duel weilds with switching in between to make the most amount damage possible Love the game ganna get a handheld with a cool ryzen processor soon and play the game all over again just love elden ring played it 3 times now still finding new stuff
Meteoric is by far the best because I can unga bunga and be a weeb at the same time.
But in all seriousness, it has a higher base bleed than the infusible katanas and highest damage for stat investment level at RL125-150, plus significantly faster uncharged and charged R2s
Exactly, M.ore has the power of a heavy with the speed of other katanas, if scaling int, strength, dex this katana and it's ash become amazing, I hated the ash at first but once I learned how to use it the weapon became my favourite
Icecream
PS; Moonveil for Number 1 IMO, Ash Heavy for bosses, Ash R1 for everyday enemies and roll catching in PvP, Intelligence is more beneficial as a main stat than Arcane (again, just my opinion lol)
Yeah they’re so interchangeable it’s hard to tell after posting this I was like maybe I like moonveil better 😂
But thank you so much for watching all the way through much love❤
nah arcane just melts bosses similar to comet azure at 70-80 with bleed build up and damage.
RoB as main and Nagakiba (blood affinity) in dual wielding (left hand - nagakiba) is best for bleed builds, provided that you invest in dex and arcane, but Cold Nagakiba and moonveil at just as good for frost builds, overall for Nagakiba - 8.5/10, RoB -9/10, Moonveil - 8.5/10
Moonveil was originally better than Rivers of Blood, because in the original patch of the game all weapons with arcane scaling were bugged and not receiving the bonus damage from arcane, preventing you from getting full damage from Rivers. They fixed this in either the first or second patch, which is when the game went from everyone complaining about moonveil to everyone complaining about rivers. I don't think either were particularly problematic, it was just that once arcane scaling got fixed EVERYONE wanted to try it out, and the most popular weapon to do that with was rivers.
Wasn't the main issue the stagger damage it would do? Trivialized bosses in PVE with the weapon art and was hard to dodge and staggered the fuck out of you in PVP initially
@@kyleweaver1930 it was never that hard to deal with in pvp, because of a lot of the other problems in pvp. You have to remember this was during the time where you could deathblight off the fire spell without ever swinging your weapon.
Plus lots of weapons did pve stagger damage. You still had to dodge stuff. It's not like R2 was jump attack with a greatsword. It was definitely strong though.
Ranked nagakiba 4th even though it’s the longest Katana with an interchangeable ash of war to any build 😭
Not to mention it can be buffed via spells. Makes it OP imo. Bloodflame blade buff WITH a blood AoW makes it CRAZY good
Damn man you got 100k subs in 2 months. Good job man
And here i am being told rivers of blood no good is nerfed but i have actually liked it
Im pretty sure nagikiba is actually a odachi with size
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Meteoric ore blade is amazing. The aow is super good for poise breaking tough enemies.
It's bad against groups but it's elite for destroying elite enemies 1on1
I use 2 and 8. The meteoric ore deals the most physical damage, making it the best companion to the moonviel.
Hey what hand do you keep the moonviel in?
@@konqrd9336moonveil in the right and meteoric ore blade in the left.
Haven’t played elden ring in awhile.. waiting for content!
Hopefully it’s soon 🙏🏼
Ice cream. Got a solid build for the moonveil?
I don't know why but the nagakiba seems a bit heavy when I play with it, it seems slower than other katanas like the uchigatana or the snake katana(so I've used these 3 katanas so far)
It is slower and it is heavier do you see how long it is lmao
Chocolate Patrick was a twist lol
HAHAHAHA AYYEEE thanks for watching the full vid bro seriously much love thank you!!!
@Prez54 thanks for the great content 👍 got me thru new game
@@psychogrinderz fr glad I could help you have no clue how much it means you watch and support my videos thank you ❤
I really like your mohg build and I am not kidding when I say that.😊🗡
😂😂 thank you bro im glad you like it thanks my favorite build in this game its so OP hahaha much love bro
@@Prez54also are going to update that same build for patch 1.09?🤔
@@aarizali1481 i def am about to yes haha
You tripping about the ore blade gravity magic is absolutely nuts
Exactly, bet he never upgraded intellect when trying it, at first the ash seems mediocre but once upgraded it's amazing
Is it viable to use moonveil or Nagakiba for a strength build? Or is it just useless?
Probably useless. Katanas are dex weapons and don't scale well with strength. If you were to try a quality build with a heavy affinity katana it might work though.
@@Help-c5x I just had to try a playthrough to confirm that. Moonveil is a magic/dex weapon. Uchigatana is the only katana that scales well with strength (A scale). Nagakiba scales better with dex (A scale)
use heavy affinity
Bro, for some reason your videos stopped popping up in my feed.
Great list, but I’d drop HoM to 5. The special never hits and consumes way too much stamina. I’d also switch Moonveil and RoB. Moonveil has that range and speed that give it the edge, IMO.
Ice Cream!
Ik you did this vid a month ago but are you playing a different ER than I am??
Whats the best for strength?
What are u wearing for samurai armor on 1:56
Its the base armure for samurai starting
Land of reeds armor
Have to agree since the nerfs ore blade is the worst katana. But ore blade does have 1 massive purpose and that is budget twinking, Like holy shit it's so easy to meet requirements for ore blade you can be pretty twinked at level 20 if even that high
bro you put the best katana in the game in number 4
with 80 dex and 55 arcane rivers of blood is absolutely ridiculous. 1st spot totally deserved
I'm a heavy nagakiba enjoyer
My vote goes to the Nagakiba as number 1 Katana and I have the Bloodhound Finesse in my off hand.
Is uchigatana good? I already have it +14
keep using it until endgame
the poison katana is truly underrated
If you want DAMAGE lightning cross naginata in left and bolt of gransax in right
Edit:cross naginata has lightning bolt ash of war on it
nah my list would be
1 nagakiba
2rivers of blood
3moonveil
4uchigatana
5dragonscale
6handofmaleinia
7serpentbone
8meteoricore
I’d put serpentine above dragonscale in my testing the dog is better and the move set let’s you get in so many more hits the poison is alright as well but not a factor
Ice cream. I need to play this again. Before the dlc
Yes true !!! Ranking
I worked super hard through the game for the rivers of blood so i want to like it morebut i think I like moonviel a little bit more. (P.S i might have the wrong build for it so its really a 50 / 50)
Since DPS is generally the most important thing in PvE I decided to do some testing, and found that Rivers of Blood is actually quite bad when it comes to DPS.
Katana Time to Kill Damage per Second
Uchigatana 2.22 8,228.37
Nagakiba 2.31 7,816.95
Moonveil 4.02 4,544.01
Dragonscale Blade 13.34 1,369.34
Meteoric Ore Blade 16.09 1,135.30
Serpentbone Blade 16.21 1,126.89
Rivers of Blood 16.58 1,101.74
Hand of Malenia 17.1 1,068.24
what is this testing been done on? What stat and weapon levels? What talismans and weapon effects do you have on? What move is being used for the damage?
@@common_undead testing is done on NG+7 godrick, there are no buffs being used, the stats are optimized for each weapon and it is testing AoW DPS.
RoB is unfortunately nerfed into the ground while the moonveil is still very good
meteoric best or 2 best after nagakiba
Rivers of Blood is the worst Katana. Nagakiba is the best one.
Uchigatana is better because you can get 2 in the first 20 minutes if you start as samari. But I agree idk why people love rivers of blood it’s late game and does barely 200 damage at max level and attacks slowly
Umm...? @@Sekiroandeldenarateensybithard
@@allisterrr I am making a vid on my channel explaining how it can kill radagon in 15 seconds hopefully this weekend. So yeah. Uchigatanas will carry you through ng+ if you use it right
@@Sekiroandeldenarateensybithardmy peepee has more range that uchi and that’s not saying much.
@@Senseslol true the range is bad but my build only calls for jump attacks you know it’s a good build when you three shot godskin noble. The only thing is that it’s bad against armored enemies like dragons or commanders
i just wasted my only dragon somber smithing stone to max out rob only to find out it is really bad now 😭😭
Who won at 2:16?
Joemama
Nagakiba should be top 3, probably number 2 imo.
Depending on your scaling. My moonveil is stronger than my RoB, both +10. All I hear is bleed bleed bleed when it comes to that weapon and it’s exhausting seeing everyone put it at #1 because the ash is cheap as hell
moonveil is cheap too. 9/10 players don't know how to use the waves.
I got moonveil early in the game ranked it up beside my uchi the sheath heavy kills most opponents in one attack at a larger range and the uchi with sacred blade ash is simply perfect
As a person who mained moonveil and fought many bloods.They are better ,one combo and its practically game.😭
i dual weild RoB and just did 6k damage in 15 seconds both +10
Is the volume super low for everyone else too?
I literally just spent like 18 furlcalling thingies to beat the magma wyrm but I have The exact stats to use rivers of blood but cant use the moonveil, but Im at rykard so Im pooped
Not yura over here overcompensating with his giant blade
My favorite weapon in the game is mogs spear it's the anti gank weapon
who wanna drop me their rivers of blood?
I use moonveil and meteoric…cause they both scale with int
1.) mv katana 2.) nagakiba 3.) rob
Prez remember kory back in 2020
Many stupid RUclipsrs don't know the difference between AoW and Skill. They think AoW is just a cool way of saying Skill.
you ain't bruce lee you poser
vergil and jetstream are in elden ring, and they are top 2
Ahhh if the game is free 😢
I still havent used rivers of blood.
I'm not agree the river of blood are so patch he not even the Best sorry bro but you should try to make new video after the final patch version with max stats just for show us the real best katana 😉 I already know the best one but you should discovery by yourself
Great list and roB is very busted.
Ice cream
Where’s dragonscale bro
(Bruce Lee) be water my friend
Don’t me to be that nerd but honestly all the katanas are well balanced with each other
ice cream
Let’s gooooo thank you so much for watching all the way through much love ❤❤❤❤
Well thats me again
New game plus I powerstanced two rivers of blood
👀 yo wait you can do that?? Dear God I can't wait to try that out!!!
@@MysteryMan199725 yup
Icecream ❤
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Rivers of blood is the worse
RoB and Moonveil are shitty now, at a point where nagakiba is the best katana ( he has been nerfed too) … so i don’t play with katanas anymore and i hope there is at least a new one in the dlc
you should try fortnite…
you might wanna trryyyyyy 😂😂
For its is for kids.
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@@envixity170 it's true
@@rickyblaze8263 learn to spell bro 💀
Yikes spreading of misinformation
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Patrick
I scream
Placing serpentbone katana as the 2nd worst katana makes me hurt on the inside
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❤❤❤ thank you so much
@@Prez54 no problem - i am an elden ring master have over 1000 hours in the game, have beaten over 20 different unique playthroughs, and any% glitchless speedrun the game. And i still enjoy your content because the grind is real.
Elden ring made a lot of peoples channels blow up, and it makes me want to start my own channel too even tho the game is a year old.
I spend a lot of time playing and learning optimized routes i am thinking of starting my own channel teaching people how to set up powerful characters in less than an hour or how to optimize certain builds.
Anyway just wanted to show my support. Sorry for the long message. Good work prez.
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