im gonna go out on a limb here and say most ppl who listen to metalcore now are probably extremely biased toward the stuff they listened to when they were growing up
@Madden 07 Soundtrack Fan Account [Norma Jean AOTY] you would only been 5-10 when id say most the best metalcore was around. unless youre refering to the early 2010's metalcore which i think it declined alot with bands like asking alexandria, i prevail, bring me the horizon, and others like that became bigger. Its like the electronic club version of metal core lol. Id say bands like Darkest Hour easily stack up too silent planet. But the 2000-2009 metal core is what I lived through so i am deff biased lol
That Mis Sigs vs Counterparts round was the hardest I've ever thought about what band is better. The Tie was needed as I can't pick between two of my favorite band's
I think you've said that you not as familiar with their work like others, but it's just weird to NOT see Killswitch Engage. An argument could be made they were the biggest metalcore band of the 2000s (I'm also biased since they're one of my two favorite bands)
FR "old school metalcore" has no trivium, KSE or BFMV. At least one of those 3 should be here. Granted they're not always as technical as All That Remains but I'd argue that all 3 pushed metalcore a lot more in terms of growing the genre.
@Madden 07 Soundtrack Fan Account [Kendrick AOTY] Ghost Inside would be a weird matchup for PWD, Fury and the Fallen Ones came out in 04 and Killing with a Smile came out in 05, they're both mid 00's. But I think they should both be on another VS
agreed, it’s hard to find bands that truly seperate themselves from the rest. Love bands that just make MUSIC and not make songs/records to cater to one crowd i.e most metalcore bands nowadays. That’s not to say i don’t listen to some of it, but you won’t see me purchasing their albums because most projects don’t hold my attention like that because the entire thing sounds the same
I loved this but I pretty much disagreed with everything you said with the exception of Spiritbox vs IWABO and that’s probably because I wasn’t paying attention to metalcore in the 2000s and was mainly into hip hop nu metal and alt rock at the time
Hopefully you check out some of these older albums too then man! Part of this vid was to show cool music from the 2000s that newer metalcore fans might not have heard of
How in the fuck does underoath beat silent planet. That silent planet album blows underoaths into outer space not even comparable in my opinion in terms of music
Bleeding Through v Born of Osiris, Remembering Never v Ghost Inside, Killswitch Engaged v Veil of Maya, Dillinger Escape Plan v The Dali Thundering Concept, As I Lay Dying v Architects, Autumn Offering v Loathe, Trivium v Kadinja, Death By Stereo v Landmvrks, Every Time I Die vs Greyhaven, Protest the Hero v Foxbat, Bury Your Dead v Currents, Scars of Tomorrow v Ghost Iris... I like this. Lol
ABR Silent Planet Spiritbox Tie for me, ATR and Bury Tomorrow are both absolutely fantastic Erra easily, i love Protest but Erra has just made an insane mark on music imo Fit for a King, i find a lot of their tracks more memorable than As I Lay Dying (no shade to As I Lay Dying though, they have bangers) Counterparts, because i have legit never heard of Misery Signals Invent Animate for me, but i definitely can't discount how truly Unique Sikth's sound is Bad Omens, i honestly never got into BMTH until Post Human Survival Horror, but every Bad Omens album is a banger for me obviously bias is inevitable in things like this so i can't really hold it against anyone, but i grew up with a lot of these 2000's bands and i've found that 2020's sound has been a lot better, maybe not as unique as 2000's, but at the same time, it's hard to compare the uniqueness of a 20 year gap, especially since it will almost always favour the earlier bands as their sound and really the genre, was more fresh at the time
You should have compared the same bands with their old stuff and new stuff. It's hard to compare songs within the same genre over a few decades and judge them off of originality because of course who did it first would be more original sounding because the genre doesn't change much. Also, production is going to be more nowadays with all the new tech so therefore that's hard to hold against 2020. This all being said, I think comparing older albums vs newer albums of the same band would make more sense.
Oh come on, making me choose between misery signals and counterparts is unfair 🤣 But I agree with a lot of your picks. Never got into as I lay dying though
* IMO * Phinehas Underoath Spiritbox All that remains Erra As I lay Dying Counterparts Invent Animate Bring me the horizon even tho this one is really close
Metal and metal core are some of my fav musical genres so im glad that that there are always new bands keeping it going. But i went through the 2000s metalcore era and it will be hard for anything to beet it imo. my biggest issue with newer metalcore is how it sounds over produced and almost electronic, like a club metal hybrid. I didnt like that sound when bands like asking alexandria and bring me the horizon started doing it in the 2010s either and now its just became standard. reminds me of the punk goes pop sound. 2000s metalcore sounded more raw and the guitars/bass and drums were less muddy in the mix.
@@METALBIRB thanks! Makes me sad that they aren’t talked about much anymore. I feel like they were very original and influential. That self titled still slaps today!
My results: August Burns Red Underoath Spiritbox All That Remains ERRA - To the dude mentionning he've never seen or heard about Alpha Wolf, bro you'll be BLOWN OUT Fit For A King Counterparts Invente Animate Bring Me The Horizon
isn't it insanely biased to compare originality of something that started the genre versus something you specifically say is influenced by it... Feels like you're just "ignoring the bias" and then basing it all on a huge bias Edit: if you want to use originality as a factor use some innovators of modern metalcore. Northlane - Obsidian, Vildhjarta - Masstådan, etc
No Trivium Ascendancy album or Parkway Drive KWAS or Horizons, nor any Killswitch, The Poison by BFMV - round 2 needed Get inVisions, While She Sleeps, Bleed From Within and Monuments in for 2020’s (not exactly against the aforementioned 2000’s as they’re not directly comparable)
My boy always roasting Invent Animate T.T. But I do have a question for you. IA is definitely my favorite band, however I can completely see how Greyview can be construed as a less "original" (Greyview is still one of my favorite albums as well). Do you feel the same about Stillworld and Everchanger? I feel those albums are very original, and I have to say Stillworld is definitely my 2nd most listened to album (1st being Animals by TTNG).
Imo it is easily Abr Underøath Iwrestledabearonce (I really dislike spiritbox) Bury tomorrow (I love both but atr has some bad albums and I can’t say the same for bury tomorrow) Protest the hero As I lay dying Counterparts (barely) Invent animate Bmth
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ABR, Underoath, Spiritbox (but this wasn't fair, you put up a polished band against their old, kinda crappy band), ATR, Erra, AILD, Counterparts, Invent Animate, BMTH. I ended up 00s 5 and 20s 4...but I was big into metalcore in the 00s and not so much into 20s metalcore. I'm just not a fan of the bands you picked I guess. I was surprised not to see any of Killswitch, Atreyu, From Autumn to Ashes, etc on here
All this stuff is subjective obviously, I'd go Phineas, Silent Planet, Spiritbox, All that remains, Erra/Protest(tie), As I lay dying, Counterparts, invent animate, bring Me the horizon
Agreed! His rationale about Erra being majority 0’s in their discography is poor too, Albums like “impulse” “Drift” and “Augment” all have really inventive riffs and the self-titled album is phenomenal! PTH aren’t even close
ABR < Phinehas (ABR has always bored me, Phinehas atleast add more melody so I like it more) Underoath = Silent Planet (don't care much for either band) iwrestledabearonce > Spiritbox (Spiritbox are getting very commercial, I like the unhinged nature of iwrestledabearonce) All That Remains > Bury Tomorrow (Bury Tomorrow sounds so generic) Protest the Hero = Erra (oh you sneaky son of a gun, I can't decide! seriously how can you decide this.. lol) As I Lay Dying = Fit for a King (don't really care about either band) Misery Signals > Counterparts (Counterparts relied too much on chugs for my taste) SikTh > Invent Animate (no contest, SikTh are the OG's, and Invent Animate is just sad boi old Northlane, yup, come at me!) BMTH > Bad Omens (cmon, not close, BMTH are the goats) >2000 Metalcore = 5 >2020 Metalcore = 1
That's why I say that Phinehas is the most underrated Metal core band out there. They are OG's who have never gotten the recognition that they really deserve.
@@METALBIRBoh, yes you are right man. Their first ep was like in 2009. So they haven‘t released anything for the first 8 years, crazy. I think we can agree on the fact that they are underrated as hell ^^.
The problem is the newer band put abit too much effects in their music it doesn't feel as raw as the oldest bands i guess at least for me but i have to say i prefer the last version of iwrestledabearonce the version with some spirit box members
I respect your opinion, but I gotta defend Invent Animate's uniqueness here. If we're talking current Invent and current Northlane, they are not even close to being a NL clone. I also can't think of any notable metalcore band right now that is writing music that sounds like The Sun Sleeps, As If it Never Was. I feel like this eternal comparison between these two bands is like a little bit toxic to the Invent band members. Every time they release something and read a review they have to see "Sounds like old Northlane." and it seems to be something people just say, but does every Invent release actually sound like anything Northlane has ever released? I would say not at all. The biggest comparison between the two was always Ben & Adrian's vocal styles and sure it was a very fair comparison, but the only albums of theirs that sound anything alike would be Everchanger and Discoveries. Northlane already started to shift their sound by Singularity to a more refined prog metalcore sound and everything post Singularity is where the "northlane clone" concept should have died. It's clear that Invent was most likely inspired by NL and that the two bands utilize similar ingredients to their sound; Low tuned guitars and Ambience, but to say they ever truly sounded the same is just wrong in my opinion. The execution of these sounds, style of the riffs and ambience, and the general sonic space(the mood, vibe/emotional tone) of their music has always stood apart from each other even in their early releases and 1000% in their newest material. Sorry I had to step in and be an Invent fanboy and honestly I don't even care about defending them against Sikth, I'm more so defending them against this idea that they aren't original.
Hot take: i actually don't like Define the Great Line Also, I think the IWABO song you used wasn't the best for the comparison, mostly due to the fact that the members that were in both bands weren't in IWABO at the time. Maybe something from Hail Mary?
You check out this new band The Pauline Principle, they have like 3 songs on RUclips and I think they're all really good. They really have the 2000s metalcore sound we all love. Check out their title track and then broken and prone! They deserve some recognition !
Yeah if youre gonna put parkway in part 2 its gotta be off killing with a smile/horizons. We know youre not big in them but you seem to just pick the bottom of the barrel with them lol
Aight came to clear this up, but phinehas is a 2000s core band through and through, the same way ABR is. They were just late bloomers like ABR, and in their early albums they clearly reflected that 2000s core hardcore adjacent sound.
And not to nerd out and freak out but cmon saying phinehas I see structured is criminal 😂 Listening to thorns, and eternally apart both from that album has apparently fluctuations in tempo and key. Plus their old tracks are pretty much ABR with a more hardcore approach
I didn't grow up listening to early metalcore, so i have no nostalgia for it. But from all of these examples all the 2000's songs are way more original, whereas SO many of these modern bands all sound the fucking same. Don't get me wrong, the production is mostly amazing and the technicality is very advanced. The modern bands i liked the most here are Spiritbox and Counterparts, because they have their own sound, rather than just being Diet Periphery / Architects / Northlane clones. Silent Planet also has a more unique sound than most of these modern bands, but not on the song featured here.
Great video! I learn so much about this genre and its history from your videos. Something I'm curious about is where you draw the line between Metalcore and Post-Hardcore. There are some bands Underoath and Blessthefall that sort of hard to classify as either genre. I know its probably SUPER subjective, but I was just wondering about your opinion. Going to go check out that Phinehas album now. The song you played in the video has me interested in their other stuff.
Great question and Underoath rides that line very well! Their album They’re Only Chasing Safety is pure Post Hardcore but they decided to get much heavier and darker over the years. Define The Great Line imo is both a metalcore and post hardcore record, it’s genre bending and that’s why I think it made waves in the scene back in the day. They continued to get more metalcore sounding with each record until Erase Me
Highly disagree with Iwrestledabearonce being gimmicky thanks for introducing me to Sikth and its weird that you didn't pair Phinehas against As I Lay Dying although As I Lay Dying would still win despite how much I love Phinehas
i choose Bury Tomorrow 2007 over Bury Tomorrow 2020, i mean BT got a lot of recognition with the record "black flame" but i think they lost something which made them unique. every song on Black flame is good in itself but as a record it is boring. not much diversity. IMO But Bleed From Within is filling the spot right now ( dispite i liked their Deathcore too)
Most people in the metalcore community grew up on the 2000s Metalcore but I’m growing up right now listening to that stuff. I’m not into the new metalcore much
If you do a death metal version. JFAC all the way. To this day they still own the vast majority of death metal bands these days. I could say the same for death and deicide but they are kinda classic death.
Better produced doesn’t Always make a better song though. Like a song with straight 0’s and breakdowns could have 100% production quality but would be boring af to listen to. I’d rather take A mixture of riffs breakdowns solos and Melodie’s even if production quality isint technically as good
Of course music in the 2020s is going to be much better produced compared to the 00s, I mean does that make a band like Municipal Waste;s The Art of Partying better than Metallica's or Slayer's 80s albums? Production value means nothing if the song's aren't good. Look how polished mainstream music is compared to metal - does that make it better?
@@METALBIRB I don't have a bias. I loved that music and grew up on it but feel like we had a decade of mediocre crap Metalcore and it is finally starting to get good again. I just feel like the new stuff sounds better and is creative.
Phinehas, is pronounced Finn-ee-us (I’ve seen them tons of times) like phineahas and ferb. Edit:how can you compare iwabo and use a song with their old singer.
I'll say - instead of both AILD-FFAK one should've been Demon Hunter, doesnt matter their newer stuff or from 00's. Imo, they're like LP for nu-metal back in the days.
Should I do a deathcore version of this kind of video?
Absolutely
Yes
why are you asking
3 for 00s (BMTH, August Burns Red and Misery Signals) 5 for 20s (Spiritbox, Erra, FFAK, Silent Planet and Bury Tomorrow)
Definitely
im gonna go out on a limb here and say most ppl who listen to metalcore now are probably extremely biased toward the stuff they listened to when they were growing up
Extremely
@Madden 07 Soundtrack Fan Account [Kendrick AOTY] silentplanet is so fucking good. Seen them live couple months ago. Trilogy was so fucking epic live.
Exactly, just look at all the old Asking Alexandria fans xd
(me being exactly like them)
@Madden 07 Soundtrack Fan Account [Kendrick AOTY] listen to Bleed from within. The absolute GOAT
@Madden 07 Soundtrack Fan Account [Norma Jean AOTY] you would only been 5-10 when id say most the best metalcore was around. unless youre refering to the early 2010's metalcore which i think it declined alot with bands like asking alexandria, i prevail, bring me the horizon, and others like that became bigger. Its like the electronic club version of metal core lol. Id say bands like Darkest Hour easily stack up too silent planet. But the 2000-2009 metal core is what I lived through so i am deff biased lol
Thanks for introducing me to bury tomorrow, they sound awesome.
this is quite true, i really liked that one
That Mis Sigs vs Counterparts round was the hardest I've ever thought about what band is better. The Tie was needed as I can't pick between two of my favorite band's
I think you've said that you not as familiar with their work like others, but it's just weird to NOT see Killswitch Engage. An argument could be made they were the biggest metalcore band of the 2000s
(I'm also biased since they're one of my two favorite bands)
There could always be a part 2. Video was getting long so just did these ones atm
Can we get a Loathe appearance in part 2? Would love to see who you pair them with
This definitely needs a part 2!
There's a suspicious lack of Parkway, Trivium, and Killswitch Engage in the 2000s.
There can always be a part 2
@Madden 07 Soundtrack Fan Account [Kendrick AOTY] pwd goats sorry
FR "old school metalcore" has no trivium, KSE or BFMV. At least one of those 3 should be here. Granted they're not always as technical as All That Remains but I'd argue that all 3 pushed metalcore a lot more in terms of growing the genre.
@Madden 07 Soundtrack Fan Account [Kendrick AOTY] Ghost Inside would be a weird matchup for PWD, Fury and the Fallen Ones came out in 04 and Killing with a Smile came out in 05, they're both mid 00's. But I think they should both be on another VS
I glad I stumbled apon this video ! I'm stuck in 2000 metal haven't heard of most of these new bands!
Next video, gotta include some unearth, darkest hour, trivium (ascendancy), killswitch, and old school parkway drive.
I feel the production has caught up...yet the songs and originality is lacking a bit in the new jazz!
agreed, it’s hard to find bands that truly seperate themselves from the rest. Love bands that just make MUSIC and not make songs/records to cater to one crowd i.e most metalcore bands nowadays. That’s not to say i don’t listen to some of it, but you won’t see me purchasing their albums because most projects don’t hold my attention like that because the entire thing sounds the same
I feel like putting PTH against Periphery would have been more of a similar comparison
PTH?
@@d.j.casanova960 protest the hero
I loved this but I pretty much disagreed with everything you said with the exception of Spiritbox vs IWABO and that’s probably because I wasn’t paying attention to metalcore in the 2000s and was mainly into hip hop nu metal and alt rock at the time
Hopefully you check out some of these older albums too then man! Part of this vid was to show cool music from the 2000s that newer metalcore fans might not have heard of
@@METALBIRB definitely will do 🫡
How in the fuck does underoath beat silent planet. That silent planet album blows underoaths into outer space not even comparable in my opinion in terms of music
Bleeding Through v Born of Osiris, Remembering Never v Ghost Inside, Killswitch Engaged v Veil of Maya, Dillinger Escape Plan v The Dali Thundering Concept, As I Lay Dying v Architects, Autumn Offering v Loathe, Trivium v Kadinja, Death By Stereo v Landmvrks, Every Time I Die vs Greyhaven, Protest the Hero v Foxbat, Bury Your Dead v Currents, Scars of Tomorrow v Ghost Iris... I like this. Lol
Remembering never v ghost inside is a tough one!
Born of osiris r older than bleeding through
@@itsokay6684 Bleeding Through started in 1999
ABR
Silent Planet
Spiritbox
Tie for me, ATR and Bury Tomorrow are both absolutely fantastic
Erra easily, i love Protest but Erra has just made an insane mark on music imo
Fit for a King, i find a lot of their tracks more memorable than As I Lay Dying (no shade to As I Lay Dying though, they have bangers)
Counterparts, because i have legit never heard of Misery Signals
Invent Animate for me, but i definitely can't discount how truly Unique Sikth's sound is
Bad Omens, i honestly never got into BMTH until Post Human Survival Horror, but every Bad Omens album is a banger for me
obviously bias is inevitable in things like this so i can't really hold it against anyone, but i grew up with a lot of these 2000's bands and i've found that 2020's sound has been a lot better, maybe not as unique as 2000's, but at the same time, it's hard to compare the uniqueness of a 20 year gap, especially since it will almost always favour the earlier bands as their sound and really the genre, was more fresh at the time
You should have compared the same bands with their old stuff and new stuff. It's hard to compare songs within the same genre over a few decades and judge them off of originality because of course who did it first would be more original sounding because the genre doesn't change much. Also, production is going to be more nowadays with all the new tech so therefore that's hard to hold against 2020. This all being said, I think comparing older albums vs newer albums of the same band would make more sense.
To clarify "smells like kevin bacon" came out several years before Courtney joined i wrestledabearonce. They had a different vocalist back then.
Birb let’s be real that protest and Erra one was very biased. Still love you tho and great video idea👍.
Lmao it’s so true. Hopefully Erra fans check out the album Fortress though. New PTH isn’t as good as new Erra though so I’ll say that
YES! This is such an interesting video
My dude! Misery Signals and Counterparts wouldn't have been a contest if you chose anything from the Controller album. That was a fucking masterpiece!
YERRRSSS....Sikth are my guys. Love all their work. 😁💪
Oh come on, making me choose between misery signals and counterparts is unfair 🤣
But I agree with a lot of your picks.
Never got into as I lay dying though
Check out bleed from within
There's no parkway drive? Man clearly you don't know the 2000s metalcore.. Killing with a smile or Horizon is what defined that metalcore era.
Bleed from within is way better
love these versus videos, then i will finally have ~concrete evidence~ to win arguments
Bleed From Within crushes anyband.
The thing is they are not only metal core. Its hard to label their style.
Groove-Metalcore
I still listen to ABR everyday lol fav band. They still make bangers.
* IMO *
Phinehas
Underoath
Spiritbox
All that remains
Erra
As I lay Dying
Counterparts
Invent Animate
Bring me the horizon even tho this one is really close
Old metalcore. I killed the prom queen, eternal lord, as I lay dying, Texas in July, parkway drive, vanna the list goes on
You should put up a poll in the chat that you can vote in as well, so that we can get a true score.
Protest over Erra is a crime against humanity.
FACTS
NAHHH Erra set a standard go modern riffage, and in their early days gunned it with derby tracks only on 6 strings, so my heart belongs with them
August Burns Red
Silent Planet
Spiritbox
All That Remains
Erra
As I Lay Dying
Misery Signals
Sikth
Bring Me the Horizon
Metal and metal core are some of my fav musical genres so im glad that that there are always new bands keeping it going. But i went through the 2000s metalcore era and it will be hard for anything to beet it imo. my biggest issue with newer metalcore is how it sounds over produced and almost electronic, like a club metal hybrid. I didnt like that sound when bands like asking alexandria and bring me the horizon started doing it in the 2010s either and now its just became standard. reminds me of the punk goes pop sound. 2000s metalcore sounded more raw and the guitars/bass and drums were less muddy in the mix.
Pt 2
Sky eats airplane vs novelists
A day to remember vs landmvrks
Killswitch engage vs sion
Sky Eats Airplane is such a throwback, and so so good
@@NickMcMillen16 I wish we had more from them
Also,
Parkway drive vs crystal lake
The devil wears Prada vs the devil wears Prada
Alexisonfire vs static dress
Killswitch VS Sion! That’s perfect and love the shout out to Sky Eats Airplane
@@METALBIRB thanks! Makes me sad that they aren’t talked about much anymore. I feel like they were very original and influential. That self titled still slaps today!
Bad Omens is breaking new ground. We'll look back a few years from now and realize this is the turning point.
My results:
August Burns Red
Underoath
Spiritbox
All That Remains
ERRA - To the dude mentionning he've never seen or heard about Alpha Wolf, bro you'll be BLOWN OUT
Fit For A King
Counterparts
Invente Animate
Bring Me The Horizon
I feel like the bias definitely came through on this one lol definitely some great bands on both sides but 2020 won more imo
Saw Misery Signals play Failsafe in Singapore around '09 it was fucking insane. My most favorite song from their album!!
isn't it insanely biased to compare originality of something that started the genre versus something you specifically say is influenced by it...
Feels like you're just "ignoring the bias" and then basing it all on a huge bias
Edit: if you want to use originality as a factor use some innovators of modern metalcore. Northlane - Obsidian, Vildhjarta - Masstådan, etc
In my opinion
Erra > Protest
Bad Omens >/= BMTH
But the rest I agree with, would love to see a deathcore version!
Erra has the gayest clean vocals
@@waterproof4403 Not really, I quite like Jesse's high vocals
I wonder which age do motionless in white be in🤔?
You should do a vocalist comparison, old band vs new. For example JT in Texas in July vs JT in ERRA.
Loved this type of video man! Deff do deathcore next!
No Trivium Ascendancy album or Parkway Drive KWAS or Horizons, nor any Killswitch, The Poison by BFMV - round 2 needed
Get inVisions, While She Sleeps, Bleed From Within and Monuments in for 2020’s (not exactly against the aforementioned 2000’s as they’re not directly comparable)
I feel like you didn't always pick the best songs for the newer bands
My boy always roasting Invent Animate T.T.
But I do have a question for you. IA is definitely my favorite band, however I can completely see how Greyview can be construed as a less "original" (Greyview is still one of my favorite albums as well).
Do you feel the same about Stillworld and Everchanger? I feel those albums are very original, and I have to say Stillworld is definitely my 2nd most listened to album (1st being Animals by TTNG).
Everchanger is amazing. Luna is one of the greatest songs in any genre.
Check out the new norma Jean video! Also a new enterprise earth song is out to
Imo it is easily
Abr
Underøath
Iwrestledabearonce (I really dislike spiritbox)
Bury tomorrow (I love both but atr has some bad albums and I can’t say the same for bury tomorrow)
Protest the hero
As I lay dying
Counterparts (barely)
Invent animate
Bmth
Compusure from ABR really got me into the "Core" music back in the day.
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ABR, Underoath, Spiritbox (but this wasn't fair, you put up a polished band against their old, kinda crappy band), ATR, Erra, AILD, Counterparts, Invent Animate, BMTH. I ended up 00s 5 and 20s 4...but I was big into metalcore in the 00s and not so much into 20s metalcore. I'm just not a fan of the bands you picked I guess. I was surprised not to see any of Killswitch, Atreyu, From Autumn to Ashes, etc on here
SikTh is the best on this entire list and it ain't close for me. All they do is produce bangers.
I always thought phinehas was more like AILD.🤷♂️
Misery SIGNALS IS GOAT
All this stuff is subjective obviously,
I'd go Phineas, Silent Planet, Spiritbox, All that remains, Erra/Protest(tie), As I lay dying, Counterparts, invent animate, bring Me the horizon
iwrestleabearonce: who are you?
Spiritbox: i'm you, but way more later
Protest The Hero are definitely great but imo they really don’t hold a candle to Erra.
Agreed! His rationale about Erra being majority 0’s in their discography is poor too, Albums like “impulse” “Drift” and “Augment” all have really inventive riffs and the self-titled album is phenomenal! PTH aren’t even close
tbh I like the newer stuff better just because I am growing up with it so yeah. But Sikth and Misery Signals were very good 👍
If so you have to do lucid dream by Oceania!
ABR < Phinehas (ABR has always bored me, Phinehas atleast add more melody so I like it more)
Underoath = Silent Planet (don't care much for either band)
iwrestledabearonce > Spiritbox (Spiritbox are getting very commercial, I like the unhinged nature of iwrestledabearonce)
All That Remains > Bury Tomorrow (Bury Tomorrow sounds so generic)
Protest the Hero = Erra (oh you sneaky son of a gun, I can't decide! seriously how can you decide this.. lol)
As I Lay Dying = Fit for a King (don't really care about either band)
Misery Signals > Counterparts (Counterparts relied too much on chugs for my taste)
SikTh > Invent Animate (no contest, SikTh are the OG's, and Invent Animate is just sad boi old Northlane, yup, come at me!)
BMTH > Bad Omens (cmon, not close, BMTH are the goats)
>2000 Metalcore = 5
>2020 Metalcore = 1
Darkest hour needs to be in part two not sure who to vs them
Breakdowns= 2000s creativity and composition= 2020s. My favorites are August burns red, as i lay dying and devil wears prada. They ruled the 2000s.
Phinehas was founded earlier than ABR😅 2001 vs 2003
That's why I say that Phinehas is the most underrated Metal core band out there. They are OG's who have never gotten the recognition that they really deserve.
@@kylesmith2577 true 🙏
Oh shit didn’t know that. But isn’t there first album 2011 though?
I think op is incorrect, their ep was 2009 but I still think they are super underrated
@@METALBIRBoh, yes you are right man. Their first ep was like in 2009. So they haven‘t released anything for the first 8 years, crazy.
I think we can agree on the fact that they are underrated as hell ^^.
Had never heard old Sikth but I do like/prefer newer Sikth. Very underrated
Also prefer new SikTh, The future in who's eyes was an amazing album
If you had to choose that misery signals album how can you not put up the song a certain death
The problem is the newer band put abit too much effects in their music it doesn't feel as raw as the oldest bands i guess at least for me but i have to say i prefer the last version of iwrestledabearonce the version with some spirit box members
I respect your opinion, but I gotta defend Invent Animate's uniqueness here. If we're talking current Invent and current Northlane, they are not even close to being a NL clone. I also can't think of any notable metalcore band right now that is writing music that sounds like The Sun Sleeps, As If it Never Was. I feel like this eternal comparison between these two bands is like a little bit toxic to the Invent band members. Every time they release something and read a review they have to see "Sounds like old Northlane." and it seems to be something people just say, but does every Invent release actually sound like anything Northlane has ever released? I would say not at all. The biggest comparison between the two was always Ben & Adrian's vocal styles and sure it was a very fair comparison, but the only albums of theirs that sound anything alike would be Everchanger and Discoveries. Northlane already started to shift their sound by Singularity to a more refined prog metalcore sound and everything post Singularity is where the "northlane clone" concept should have died. It's clear that Invent was most likely inspired by NL and that the two bands utilize similar ingredients to their sound; Low tuned guitars and Ambience, but to say they ever truly sounded the same is just wrong in my opinion. The execution of these sounds, style of the riffs and ambience, and the general sonic space(the mood, vibe/emotional tone) of their music has always stood apart from each other even in their early releases and 1000% in their newest material. Sorry I had to step in and be an Invent fanboy and honestly I don't even care about defending them against Sikth, I'm more so defending them against this idea that they aren't original.
Hot take: i actually don't like Define the Great Line
Also, I think the IWABO song you used wasn't the best for the comparison, mostly due to the fact that the members that were in both bands weren't in IWABO at the time. Maybe something from Hail Mary?
Hail Mary is from 2015 so comparing the old vs the brand new!
@@METALBIRB right, I forgot about that.
Hail Mary is such an intense but purposeful album in my eyes. I love the instruments and the ferocity in Courtney's voice, among other things.
You check out this new band The Pauline Principle, they have like 3 songs on RUclips and I think they're all really good. They really have the 2000s metalcore sound we all love. Check out their title track and then broken and prone! They deserve some recognition !
Yeah if youre gonna put parkway in part 2 its gotta be off killing with a smile/horizons. We know youre not big in them but you seem to just pick the bottom of the barrel with them lol
Norma Jean vs Earth Groans would have been a good match up.
Aight came to clear this up, but phinehas is a 2000s core band through and through, the same way ABR is. They were just late bloomers like ABR, and in their early albums they clearly reflected that 2000s core hardcore adjacent sound.
And not to nerd out and freak out but cmon saying phinehas I see structured is criminal 😂 Listening to thorns, and eternally apart both from that album has apparently fluctuations in tempo and key. Plus their old tracks are pretty much ABR with a more hardcore approach
2000's easy, that mid to late 2000's metalcore was the golden age of metalcore as far as i'm concerned
Wheres Parkway :)?
I just realized how similar Sikth and Tallah sound. Vocals especially
I didn't grow up listening to early metalcore, so i have no nostalgia for it. But from all of these examples all the 2000's songs are way more original, whereas SO many of these modern bands all sound the fucking same. Don't get me wrong, the production is mostly amazing and the technicality is very advanced.
The modern bands i liked the most here are Spiritbox and Counterparts, because they have their own sound, rather than just being Diet Periphery / Architects / Northlane clones. Silent Planet also has a more unique sound than most of these modern bands, but not on the song featured here.
Great video! I learn so much about this genre and its history from your videos.
Something I'm curious about is where you draw the line between Metalcore and Post-Hardcore. There are some bands Underoath and Blessthefall that sort of hard to classify as either genre. I know its probably SUPER subjective, but I was just wondering about your opinion.
Going to go check out that Phinehas album now. The song you played in the video has me interested in their other stuff.
Great question and Underoath rides that line very well! Their album They’re Only Chasing Safety is pure Post Hardcore but they decided to get much heavier and darker over the years. Define The Great Line imo is both a metalcore and post hardcore record, it’s genre bending and that’s why I think it made waves in the scene back in the day. They continued to get more metalcore sounding with each record until Erase Me
Enterprise earth just dropped. hard.
Psalm of agony. Please get peoples attention on this one man we need it.
Unearth deserves to be on the list more than most of these bands
Highly disagree with Iwrestledabearonce being gimmicky thanks for introducing me to Sikth and its weird that you didn't pair Phinehas against As I Lay Dying although As I Lay Dying would still win despite how much I love Phinehas
Easily 2020
Misery Signals/ABR/Norma Jean/ETID made up my younger years and I think thing they do it best
Killswitch engage?
Nothing Left is the absolute best riff ever played on a guitar. And Actual Drummer >>>>> Programmed Drums
i choose Bury Tomorrow 2007 over Bury Tomorrow 2020, i mean BT got a lot of recognition with the record "black flame" but i think they lost something which made them unique. every song on Black flame is good in itself but as a record it is boring. not much diversity. IMO But Bleed From Within is filling the spot right now ( dispite i liked their Deathcore too)
Most people in the metalcore community grew up on the 2000s Metalcore but I’m growing up right now listening to that stuff. I’m not into the new metalcore much
If you do a death metal version. JFAC all the way. To this day they still own the vast majority of death metal bands these days. I could say the same for death and deicide but they are kinda classic death.
Hey whare is the 90s metalcore?
Sikth and Protest are OP
Courtney sang for IWABO.
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ohhh god Fortress VS Erra Self Title common that rude. The best VS The Best i can't decide that hurt
August Burns Red were so ahead of their time
I swear if you would have picked Fit For A King over As I Lay Dying I would have never watched another one of your videos.
Love the comparisons, agree with all the picks except Sikth over IA but you had a fair reasoning!
Your bias got in the way. I think the new batch of Metalcore is exciting and better produced.
Who doesn’t have bias though? Creativity > production for me man
Better produced doesn’t Always make a better song though. Like a song with straight 0’s and breakdowns could have 100% production quality but would be boring af to listen to. I’d rather take A mixture of riffs breakdowns solos and Melodie’s even if production quality isint technically as good
Of course music in the 2020s is going to be much better produced compared to the 00s, I mean does that make a band like Municipal Waste;s The Art of Partying better than Metallica's or Slayer's 80s albums? Production value means nothing if the song's aren't good. Look how polished mainstream music is compared to metal - does that make it better?
@@METALBIRB I don't have a bias. I loved that music and grew up on it but feel like we had a decade of mediocre crap Metalcore and it is finally starting to get good again. I just feel like the new stuff sounds better and is creative.
@@sebastiantorres1358 I am talking about two songs at the same creativity level but one just sounds better.
2000 Metalcore are much better. Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, All That Remains, awesome bands
The both win and I am happy I dont need to choose
Phinehas, is pronounced Finn-ee-us (I’ve seen them tons of times) like phineahas and ferb.
Edit:how can you compare iwabo and use a song with their old singer.
When it comes to metalcore, nobody wins
I'll say - instead of both AILD-FFAK one should've been Demon Hunter, doesnt matter their newer stuff or from 00's. Imo, they're like LP for nu-metal back in the days.