Ive got the 21 890R and its been great, 18,000 miles on it, dirt and street both. It loves tight paved backroads, totally neutral handling dives into corners readily, the brakes are solid 1 finger stoppers, so easy to use. On dirt/rocks/ rough roads the R likes it when I keep the pace up, soaks things up better. I put 1 rate softer springs ft and rr to suit my weight, much better that way, A Sargent seat and its an all day comfy ride that way. No problems, no wheel issues on mine, havent even had to adjust the chain yet. Had a lot of KTM's over the years, this is the funnest one yet.
Thank you very much for your review. I got my 890 adventure in march 21 and I am at 22 k km (13.6 k miles). Nice tours within Germany, to Scandinavia (north cape), Austria, Slovenia. In 2 weeks I go with friends to abruzzo (Italy). It is my first KTM - I call it my summer bike, I use it on- and off-road, in winter I drive a 1250 RT. I like the power to weight ratio, the handling and the sportive character. At the beginning it seemed to be relatively hard - after setting the rear suspension to comfort (rebound damping) and after getting used to the saddle 500 to 700 km tours have been no major issue. I have the same effect or similar effect on the front wheel: between 65 to 70 km/h (40 to 43 miles/hr) I have a kind of handlebar wobble (shimmy). I did not recognize it with the first Avon tyres - after changing to Heidenau it appeared significantly. After the scandinavian tour I went back to Avon - at the beginning it was a little better but at the end of the tyres it reappeared strongly. My dealer is doing his job very carefully - so he now measured the rim in detail: no negative result. Also rebalancing in between did not change anything. Now I got new Pirelly Scorpion Rally STR, let's see what happens. Beside this there is no major issue - I like the bike very much. By the way: my age is 68. To my opinion the 890 adventure is very suitable for riders with relatively short legs, my size is 1,73 m (5.68 feet).
Thank you for sharing your insights! I’m sorry you are also struggling with that front wheel issue. Yes-it’s a great bike for short inseams, and for touring. You live in a beautiful place for that! Enjoy!
@@MotoTherapy Good news - hopefully interesting to you. Starting by the end 😉: after 2 days at my dealer the handlebar wobble dissapeared completely, the machine is running smoothly as never before. As mentioned above I got new Pirelly Scorpion Rally STRs - they look nice and are very convincing (after the first 100 km 😉). But: are they the reason for the positive change? Though I am not sure I don't think so. I had the front wheel effect since more than 10k km with Heidenaus and Avons, so I exclude the tyres. What else? My KTM got a new chainset (DID) and the dealer discovered that the nut fixing the front pinion was completely loose - held only by the safety plate ( I hope this is the correct wording). In addition the nut has worked into this safety plate and bent it partly. I guess that this lash and/or the partly used chain are responsible for the wobble effect. Of course I am not sure as it sounds implausible that a loose pinion nut can cause a handlebar wobble. Anyway I am very happy with my "new" 890 adventure. Probably you want to check the nut torque of your front pinion? Very best regards from Münster/Germany...
@@joey-iv1tq I don’t understand the reference to the “front pinion nut”. Is this the nut holding on the front sprocket to the engine? You mentioned a new chain set and loose pinion nut. You’re very lucky the nut was kept on, it would have been a very bad day if it came off at speed.
@@bandknanacortes1858 yes, it is the nut holding the front sprocket (or pinion?). This nut was completely loose baut as it is hold by a safety shell it cannot be lost completely. My (new) dealer is controlling this nut on all new KTMs he is supplying.
Firstly it is the most warmest rewiev l have ever seen. Thank you so much for your clear English. l am from Turkey and l have also 890 s and l had also some issues such as shock absorber failure, rear break failure ext. one of my friend had front wheel balance problem. But l enjoy so so much ktm 890, l rode many different brand adventure bike but 890 is impressive.
Thanks for the review! I purchased an 890 S last January also. I’m at 6k miles. I did the MABDR and parts of the SCAR just last week. Great bike! There is simply not another middle weight that fits me better. I’ve had a couple of the KTM issues. Front brake pulsating and getting a new wheel under warranty. Also has the dreaded cold start issue but other than that it’s been perfect. And I agree, it’s a $13k bike KTM-THE DAMN TECH PACK SHOULD BE INCLUDED!!!
@@VMAdventures88 Higher grade fuel does not combust as easily as lower grade. Yes, I know, its counterintuitive. Higher grade does NOT perform better than lower grade, it is simply used in higher compression engines so that it will not detonate or experience pre-ignition.
Lot's of reports of guys easily bending the factory wheels so I wouldn't be surprised if yours isn't bent as well. These bikes definitely don't need crash bars, they'd be a total waste of money. My TFT screen has fogged a few times but only on the extreme outer edges so it hasn't concerned me. I've owned over 30 different motorcycles in my life and my 890R is hands down my favorite all around to date.
@@marcochavane3124 If all you look at it is online people bashing KTM's, it seems like they all blow up. In reality, they dont. One thing, if you run the Rottweiler airbox and intake , THAT has destroyed some engines, like total destruction from dirt going in. Then people want it warrantied. There's a lot of chatter about that. I would never consider swapping a whole airbox out on a bike. People do though.
best review on ktm adventure i have seen yet you could be me, I had a Tiger Explorer which was great but too top heavy i was attracted to the R just because of the way it looks i had visions of me powering around offroad but you have convinced me I should get the standard (i also have short legs) thanks for the heads up.
I’m picking my 890 (first ever KTM) up tomorrow, really looking forward to it! Has a v strom before and also run a Harley…..I love a twin! Great video now subbed.
Just picked up a 2023 890 adventure base model. Have the exact same front "hop". Happens around 36 to 44mph, so right around 40mph. It's not a shake or a vibration, more like a vertical hop, like going over a series of ridges. We'll see what the dealer can come up with. Bike is on brand new Pirelli STR's. Great video and I'll be looking at your other ones as well.
Count me as another 790 owner with front wheel hop. I had assumed that the Mitas E07 was faulty. I'm actually glad to know that I didn't choose a crap tire.
Good overview you’re definitely spot on with your analysis. Not sure what’s going on with that front wheel I do not experience that issue but I do have some spoke weights that balance the front so I don’t know if you’ve tried those. I think the perspective you have on whether you buy the R not is correct I come from a motocross off-road racing background so for me the R is by far the best choice because I ride it hard I ride technical single track on it and yes it’s a big beast of a girl but it really performs amazing off-road. Great that you’re enjoying the bike so much!
Great review. I downsized from the 1290R to the 890R, although I'm still waiting for the new bike to land at the dealership. Most of my riding is off-road (fire roads to quad tracks--single track on a bad day.)--and I've been having flashes of buyer's remorse. This review gave me some comfort that I've made the right decision. Cheers!
Thank you for the review, I recognized myself in much of what you say in this video. I got this bike in the end of the season last year, and I'm looking forward to drive it and get to know it more this season. So far I really love the bike. I have only been ridig harleys for the past 20 years, and bought this bike on a impuls, and man I love it. This did fast become my number one bike to ride. The other bike (a HD Breakout) who used to be my favorite is now standing more and more in the garage. Now Im planning TET and lots of gravel adventures for the season to come! :) Ride safe
I did the entire SCAR 2 weeks ago (1200 miles) on the Suzuki DR650. She handled it well. My butt is still sore, ended up splurging on an aftermarket seat.
Thank you so much for a very detailed and extensive review, coming from real long use 👍 I used to ride an Africa Twin dct on and off-road, as you said awsome bike but heavy to lift up as I'm 65. So tgat I opted for a Husqvarna 701 Enduro: way better and easier off-road, but a pain in the ass on long on-road travelling. So may I consider the 890, when getting older with easier off-road and longer on-road travels. And yes, the Aptilia Tuareg 660 is promising.
Hi there! You mentioned almost all the points which are important. Spot on! I had a 790 Adv S and switched it for an 890 Adv R which I´m picking up today🙂. With my 790 Adv I had exactly the same issues as you, i.e. foggy instrument and a "strange behaving" front wheel. Same as you, the instrument (screen) was changed by another one which in turn did the same (fogged up). Can´t believe that nowadays KTM ain´t able to have their subs deliever an instrument which simply works as with other makers... The front wheel has been adjusted (rim & spoke tension) and after that I had now issues whatsoever. Yes, there´s a lot of trash-talk about KTM and I know there were some issues, certainly not nice for the respective owners. I had never experienced any breakdowns and/or engine issues. On the contrary, the fuel consumption and hence its range is absolutely fantastic, so is the low center of gravitation. A lot of this trash talk is quite biased and those people often "oversee" that other makes also recall their bikes. My point of view: You can´t have it all (as in real life) and everyone should enjoy his/her own taste. More tolerance towards other bikers would be great. If someone loves his GS or Goldwing or whatever, there´s a reason for it. WHY for Christ sake do people have to talk ill about did and dat? Don´t get it. Safe ride for everyone out there!
@@masterspin7796 Tell me one complex product which has no Chinese parts in it. It’s called globalization. Nearly every maker does it. There is no such thing like „Made in xy „ anymore.
70 years old here. Bought the "S" when the ES Africa Twin I was looking at was sold before I could get there. Best happy accident ever. Cruise was also a deal breaker for other coulda bought. Great review.
Returning rider after 30 yrs absence... once I get back in the groove, I've been wanting to try ADV, so, I'm starting my research into midweights (for many of the same reasons). I keep coming back to the KTM 890 Adventure... I live in the upstate, and look forward to riding the SCAR...
In December of 2020 I bought a new KTM 790 Adventure S and love the bike. It is everything you said it is (Paid an excellent price for it as well ($9,999,00 Total Net tax and tags included in that price). The only problem I have had so far (and not really a problem as it turned out) was what I thought was an oil leak but after having it checked out at the Dealer found it to be some chain oil dripping down. Yeah, go figure. I just recently bought a set of Lone Rider Rear Motto Bags for it but have been procrastinating installing the frame from KTM that will support them, haha. I also own a 2016 Motto Guzzi V7 II Stone which had me considering the KTM or the Motto Guzzi V85 at the time. But I am more than glad that I chose the KTM 790 ADV S. I live in Washington D.C. but may be moving soon since the cost of living here has become one of the most expensive in the USA. Remember What The Doormouse Said
Just found this video and it's very helpful. Like you, I'm getting older and also riding an Africa Twin. While the AT is an awesome bike, I'm having the same concerns with the the weight and my ability to pick it up. I ride alone and am looking for something that has some off road capability but is lighter and more nimble. Initially, I figured I'd buy a T7, but the lack of availability with the resulting premium pricing and the very high seat height have me looking for alternatives. I have a KTM 500EXC for real off road so the 890 looks like a great option for a street/ADV bike. Thanks for the great review!
Thanks for watching, and good luck with the bike decision! For me, the 890 was much more manageable for solo riding. My only gripe about it was the typical KTM quality controll issues (mentioned in the video) and the lackluster dealer support regarding warranty support--although I know that can be very dealer-specific, and can be the casae with any brand.
Hello. Good to hear that the bike is so good, my wife has just bought a new 2022mod now without having test-ridden that type of bike before. We still have winter here in Norway so it will be a couple more months before there is a test run. Ho comes from a Harley FatBob so the transition will be great, would over on the Adventure bike when I bought Pan America. Thanks for a nice video.
I’ve had many bikes and the one that satisfies me the most is definitively the 890 Adventure! I also went for the standard version aldo I would have loved the R version, but no use for that here in the middle of Europe as there is nowhere you still may ride kind of serious off-road.... sad enough... Nvertheless the standard is quite capable for gentle off road. Thank for your video
This was a really useful review. I'm still on the fence on the R. vs. the S. model. You've given me a lot to think about, we are very similar in our riding situations.
Same thing here. For two months I'm looking for the S reviews (especially off-road) because there are almost only R version videos. I am traveling with my wife, mostly on pavement and some gravell roads (no fancy jumping on dessert dunes etc). But when I'm alone I like to "get dirty" a little bit. The S version of this bike seems enough for me, but I still wandering if maybe it's better to have that extra adjustability for more tough terrain later in my adventures. Is the S version capable enough to take it and be relatively comfy - let's say - for trip from Europe through Russia to Kirgistan, for Morocco and African roads? I need a bike that I will be able to grow with as an more off-road adventure rider for next 5-10 years before I change my motorbike again ;)
@@twowheelsadventures3137 yep exactly. Good points. The S model with better off-road tires seems to then only latch the 4 way adjustable rear suspension and stronger front forks right? Also The 2 year warranty on the S vs. the R 1 year was unknown to me till this video.
@@AmenMoto Yeah. I'm from Europe so I need to ask in my KTM dealer about the warranty. It was new info for me too. I saw many RUclips documents where people traveled the world even on scooters, so maybe I am overthinking, and S wersion is good enough. I own old Honda CBF 600 that is more of a street bike, and I've trawelled a lot on it. Before Covid I had couple of rides where I had to back off, because of it suspension, so I really started to looking for something more off-road capable, because with friends we start to thinking about Morrocco and maybe some Asian trips. Also - I want a motorbike, that I can have for couple of years, and build upon it (I don't want to outgrow it to quickly). 890 seems perfect for my type of riding (light, off-road capable, good performnce on road, and comfy enought for lighter trips with pillion). The only thing is the dilema: the mighty R or S! Just to be clear - I am not an aspiring FUTURE PRO DAKAR RIDER. I just need good, relatively light bike to travel EVERYWHERE (often with pillion). I don't need more expensive R version if S would be enough. Because S is mostly shown just on asphalt I'm afraid of its off-road capability.
@@twowheelsadventures3137 Probably either bike will meet your needs. Of course the R does have a few suspension advantages, but the S is at least as capable as most adventure bikes out there, and many people have ridden epic adventures on less capable bikes. I did ride my S on the Trans America Trail from Colorado to Oregon, if you want to check out some of that footage (video is in this channel): ruclips.net/video/RVmPUJxiiQ0/видео.html
Great content! and helpful! I am just planning to do the transamerican trail from Oregon to the east coast. I am debating between the KTM 1290 R vs S with some mods.
What a great video, man! I saw that you also got a KLX 300, which I added in November. I've got a Super Tenere ES that I keep tinkering with swapping out for something else and the 890 would really be perfect if I didn't have reliability concerns. But this anecdote is nice to hear.
Fantastic KTM warranty! Foggy screen and they replaced with another FOGGY SCREEN! WOW! What a great deal and the service is excellent!...Looks like a great bike, but I'll await the issues being sorted before I get caught out several hundred miles from assistance in BC's backcountry.
The wheel probably has a side of the rim that is slightly smashed inward it creates a slight wobble my Bros. bike did that it felt like it was going up and down and it was...
Re your front wheel, my friend bought a 790 rally and the front wheel was obviously built incorrectly and had to be replaced. Not good enough. When did you ever hear of a Japanese bike having such a problem.
Thanks for the honest review. I like you am older, have had back issues, am 5'9" now, but still want an ADV for some local travel (motocamping) and a few long trips I still want to take. I live in Colorado. I'm in my mid-60s, started with a F800GS, which was a good bike, but like your Honda, too heavy for me to pick up without worrying about injury. I sold it and got a KTM 690 which I turned into an ADV bike (sort of). Which was a beast off road, but not so great on the pavement in the cross winds which we get a lot of out west here. Also like you I really need cruise control due to arthritis in both wrists. I sold the 690 last year as I needed the money for something. Now looking at Tenere 700 or the 890. in my mind the Tenere wins in respect to cost, availability of parts and reliability (I assume), but loses in those important seat height, smaller fuel tank and pickup weight (reminds me of the BMW). On the other hand the 890 wins with Tubeless, Cruise control and although a little heavier, the weight is down low so from what I've seen is much easier to pickup. Would you be comfortable taking your 890 on a long trip to Tierra del Fuego? That is one of my plans.
As far as the bike’s size and capability goes, I’d take it almost anywhere except very technical mountain passes (note: I rode the TAT and slabbed back home with no issues). My only concern would be maintenance-I’m not familiar with KTM shops/parts availability in South America. My 890 had irritating but never trip-stopping maintenance issues, yet I know many who have had such with their 890s. Not sure if the new 2023s are any more reliable or not. Since making this video, I’ve sold my KTM and moved to a R1250GSA. Definitely a bigger bike, but I am no longer looking for a do-it-all bike, as I now have a dual sport for more technical riding. The GSA is super comfortable, handles well off pavement, and is easier to pick up than my old Africa Twin, since it doesn’t fall completely flat. It also has incredible range with the big tank.
@@MotoTherapy Thanks for the reply! Your reply was thoughtful and honest. I'm leaning more towards the Tenere 700 now, although I wish it carried it's weight lower. I still want to test ride one but none of the dealers in my area seem to have any in stock. I've been looking at smaller bikes, but don't want to spend a year trying to make a smaller lighter bike good for long distance. I guess I just need to embrace the "it doesn't matter what bike it is, it is the journey that counts."
Got a Honda Africa Twin adventure sport ES 2021 Once I get it paid off I’m gonna get either this KTM or Tuareg 660 I just wish Aprillia wasn’t so far away or I wouldn’t even have to think about it. But 3 hours isn’t that bad.
I just bought a 2023 KTM 890 adventure and I have that exact problem with the front wheel that you describe. After a couple trips to the dealer, getting it rebalanced, the conclusion was that it was an incompatibility between the tire and the bike. I was hoping a tire change would fix it....looks like it may not. KTM ought to address this issue....
@@bobvandick2546 After the 890, I very briefly owned a V85TT which was a disaster on all fronts (see my ownership experience video on the V85TT). Now, I have two bikes-A KLX300 for messing around locally and for more technical riding, and a R1250GSA for my long-haul ADV/touring bike. Both bikes have been a huge success, and I plan to keep them a long time.
I tested the Aprilia Tuareg because I am looking for a lighter motorcycle, but: it is sorely lacking in torque at low revs. It's a small engine so it runs at 6000 rpm at 120km (high revs) so it consumes a lot of fuel. My Bmw f850 Gs saves at least 1 liter per 100km. And it's not cheap... I was delighted before the trying and I was disappointed with the Tuareg, but that's of course personal. The new Ktm 890 or even better the KTM 790 seems to meet my search criteria. Like you, I want a lighter bike. Ktm is light, the new saddle seems comfortable (I like to travel with my motorcycles) and the new screen seems effective. There is cruise control and it is full of torque even at low revs. She looks perfect to me. I just don't know the brand and I don't hear good things about reliability. Thanks for your feedback :)
In regards to your hopping front tire, you may have had a heat incident with the front brakes and your rotors might warped. This was something I experienced, especially if you favor your front brakes more.
My 890 adventure S had a similar issue, turned out the Avon tires had a facility defect where the seems overlapped during construction and they replaced the tires with the warranty, I decided to switch to the Dunlop Trailmax Mission tires. They’re so much better and affordable
I just want to add you can take the S on some pretty gnarly stuff. I went to Doe mountain OHV TN and road the main trail almost to the end. It got sketchy, but only because I had no idea what I was in for when we started the ride really. That place was great though and the trail was a blast. There were rocks the size of a toddlers head all over. I had off road mode and traction control at 9 and it ate through all of it like butter. I sometimes plough through 12 inch deep ruts near my house and this machine eats them up. I'm short like you were saying so I did the S too. I don't think I have the stones to ride the difference between the S and the R.
How are you liking the bike 6 months on from this video? Any new issues crop up or existing ones get worse? I was initially sold on the R but after watching your video, it looks like the S would be more than capable for the type of riding I do. One of the biggest reasons I like the S is the taller windscreen. I think it might make the bike a slightly better tourer than the R. Have you ridden it much on the highway or fast wide open back roads? How's the comfort and wind buffeting in those situations? Would you buy the bike again if you could do it over? What other bikes would you consider?
I recently sold my 890 in order to buy a small dual sport, so that my wife and I can be on more equal footing when we ride together (she has an XT250). However, there were no new or worsening issues with my 890 before I sold it. It’s a fantastic bike for what it is 👍
I see you went back to the AT. I’m about to trade my 22’ AT adventure Sport in for an 890 (non R) I absolutely love the AT more than word can describe. But man the top heavy weight off road or even at a stop, or off the side stand is such a hand full, and makes me feel fatigued after a days ride. I’m not aggressive, but I do like random unknown exploration rides. The twin just holds me back a little (yes my strength/skill)
Actually, I owned the AT before the KTM. I considered going back to an AT, but didn’t for the reasons you outlined. My next bike will be an R1250GSA (delivered to me in about 2 weeks). I recently spent a week riding a GSA in Arizona. The BMW is heavier, but feels lighter and less too heavy than the AT.
I had the same wheel hop at the same speeds. The rim was dented (sidewall was flared out a tiny bit), enough to make the hop. A new Warp9 wheel cured the problem.
I did all the same steps as you: balanced, new tire, etc. It wasn’t even visibly noticeable. I didn’t notice the rim was slightly flared out until I ran the whole length of my hand along the sidewall of the rim.
Thank you for this review...very informative as are the comments. Currently on a 2018 KLR 650 and it's been a fabulous bike with no issues. I'm intrigued by all these new Adventure bikes that offer "creature comforts" that I currently lack...abs, cruise control, digital display, fuel injection etc. The 890 is one of a small handful that I'm seriously considering, but the list of issues are a concern. Also very intrigued by the Aprila 660 but the closest dealer is 4 hours away. Debating if I should wait for Honda's release of the Transalp?
Thanks for watching! I’m also intrigued by Aprilia 660, but I have a Guzzi and it’s not been problem free. I live only 3.5 hrs from a dealer, and it’s a pain in the butt. I wouldn’t buy one again, for that reason alone.
You mentioned that you might have considered buying the Aprilia Toureg 660 because of the BS additional charge that KTM charges for the Demo Mode, well let me tell you about Aprilia's BS. Aprilia adds on a Whopping $2000 shipping charge, plus dealers set-up fees too, taxes, etc for a new Toureg 660. I just canceled my order for a 2023 red one. Got $500 down on a "23 KTM890 Adventure now.
Front wheel. Try and try again to get the forks and wheel absolutely parallel. My ktm had same issue, I’ve now found ways to measure the fork from the frame to make sure it is 100% true alignment. Since then, it rides loads better at that 35-50 mph range.
I agree. I’ve managed to measure and then get it straight. Maybe we should tell readers how? If I recall, I measure from foot peg or engine bolt near footpeg, to the brake calliper. Make sure you use exactly the same points each side and make sure you are precise to a mm. Then, I find the bike drives straight. Thoughts?
Secondly, I check measure from rear rack ( single middle point) to each bar end. If these lengths differ, your wheel could be slightly out. But you have to patiently work using this length and the lower one I mentioned before. A check is to get bar end length the same,look at direction of tire And then check the lower length, which should also be the same. If not, you are out of line, so redo. Etc until you have top and lower lengths correct, each side. Then you’re sorted. Mark up with a pen, and enjoy stability. Cheers
oh, and always bounce the front folk up/down holding the front brake BEFORE you tighten the axle bolt and the pinch bolts. ideally, the brake caliper should be very slightly loosened as, believe it or not, the caliper can "direct" the front wheel. once you think you have it all aligned, tighten the axle nut, tighten the pinch bolts and tighten the calipers. In that order. spin the wheel to make sure the brakes are not binding and then go ride it.
Thanks for the review. It’s good to hear long term thoughts from an owner who is my close in age, inseam, and I have some permanent injuries as well. I traded my 1290 SA-R for a 22 890 Adventure the other day. Had a Pan Am prior to that. This bike fits me. It just might be my forever bike.
It's been a while that you shoot this video. I was wondering if you've still have it. I just test ride it today and the heat coming from the engine is huge. Not sure if I will buy it. Other than that it's ligth a very revy...
I no longer have it. I sold my middleweight bike (the 890) and got two bikes-a KLX300 for local technical riding and an R1250GSA for long hauls. I loved almost everything about the KTM. Yes, it produces heat, but most high compression motors do. I view it as a trade off for performance.
Great review. I bought a new 2017 Honda AT. The only two things I didn’t like about the AT was the weight and not enough power. I’m 61 now, won’t do a lot of serious off roading , but still want the power of the 890. I’m Looking to trade for a new 2023 KTM 890 ADV. Don’t really like the extra cost of the demo pkg after 1000 miles. Just curious how much was the cost of the tech package? Also do you think it was worth it.
I don't remember the cost, and I don't like how KTM charges to "unlock" these features that are already on the bike. But I bought the tech package because I needed cruise control due to multiple right shoulder surgeries.
You mentioned your front wheel ... was breaking involved? Bret Tkacs had a problem with the brake discs of his 790 and a serious failure on his rear brake (mentioned it in a video). I don't know if the 890 can suffer from the same issue and if that may cause your problems.
I'm on 890 ADV R and recently putting 25g front & 55g back balancing weight on the wheel. Saying that I do have TPMS module installed but still consider it need quite a bit weight to balance. Also my fuel tank seems to develop split lines but not cracks nor leakage, just ain annoying Other than that, every ride is a fun ride!
Hi mate, Excellent review-Thankyou, I’m looking at the 890 Adventure or the Tiger Rally Pro and am leaning slightly towards the 890. Does it ever feel under powered on the motorway/highway please?. Also do you notice much vibration through the bars, pegs or seat? Ride safe biker bro.
Never underpowered on the freeway-even when loaded with gear. The suspension is a bit on the stiff side (especially compared to my previous bike, an Africa Twin), so more aggressive tires and/or grooved pavement will translate into some vibration, but no significant vibration with the OEM street-oriented tires.
@@MotoTherapy no I sold it. I totally lost confidence in the bike and was afraid to be stranded. I made a video about it. But it was a very competent bike and I still miss it.
@@kimomoto My problems weren’t as numerous as yours, but the dealer’s and or KTM’s lack of desire to address my warranty issues ultimately led me to sell mine (since making this video). Like you, I loved the bike’s performance and I do miss riding it, but I’m absolutely unwilling to own a bike that the manufacturer won’t stand behind.
I've yet to find this answer but how comfortable is the back seat? I usually have a passenger and they complain about my 1290 duke's rear seat so curious to know about this one.
The hopping on the front wheel may be the chain uneven length . it hsppent to me . it was not the front wheel or tire was tha chain been. Long and short pulling . afesting the front end .
Really debating a KTM or a tenere 700 they're just hard to find! Plus my dealer sells KTM n not Yamaha so idk yet I'm in Michigan so I'll wait the winter
I won't buy another ktm until they include all the software on their bikes. It seems so petty that they would do that to customers. Plus, like you mentioned, there are plenty of other options.
Hallo bro from balkan europe,great machine! 🖐😎👍 one question ..is it possible to achieve 65mpg at 50mph or 3,6L/100km at 80kmh in 6 gear easy relax solo ride on the nice flat asphalt road..constant speed without the panniers?? I m 179 100kg
Funny you should ask. The 890 Adventure is a great handling bike (better than the Africa Twin off pavement), but KTM’s poor quality control and unwillingness to honor the warranty has led me to sell my 890 and order a ‘22 Africa Twin AS. The Africa Twin will arrive in the next 1-2 weeks. I used to have a ‘18 Africa Twin, and it was a great handling and more comfortable bike (although a bit heavier, and definitely more top heavy). So, I have had both bikes, and I am choosing to return to the Honda now that it has better electronics and tubeless tires.
That is the million dollar question. I have had a couple of Africa Twins, a 2016 AT DCT and a 2018 Africa Twin Adventure Sports. I have some issues with the 2018 Adventure Sports that Honda seems unable or unwilling to resolve. I strongly considered swapping it for a 2022 Base Model AT, but they have had their own set of issues. TFT going into safe mode, TFT resetting itself, TFT blinking and not displaying Power, Engine Breaking, Tracking Control, ABS and Suspension mode are blinking. So I decided to go a different route this time, rather than a 3rd Africa Twin and picked up a 2022 KTM 890 Adventure. Whether that proves to be the right decision or not, time will tell :) Good luck with whatever you decided and I hope the choice you make turns out to be a good one for you!
@@iSean1 You are spot on. Likewise, I hope your move to the 890 is a great one for you! It’s an awesome bike to ride, I just soured due to my interactions with KTM and the only dealer reasonably close to me. I don’t expect any motorcycle to be absolutely trouble free, but I do expect dealers to at least return e-mails and phone calls, to be willing to chase problems, etc. This is where KTM lost me, and it sounds like it’s where Honda lost you. With you the best with the 890!!!
@@MotoTherapy Yes. I had the 2018 Adventure Sports DCT Model that had the fuel tank issues. It was in twice prior the the recall for fuel tank cleaning, fuel pump replacement and both fuel injectors replaced. Then with the recall Honda cleaned the tank and replaced the fuel pump again (no injector replacement with the recall). The bike continued to have intermittent nagging issues. Sputtered and felt like it was going to stall when cold. Sputtered and felt like it was going to stall at times of low throttle like low speed cornering into my neighborhood. It wouldn't accelerate beyond a certain speed (79mph and 84mph the last couple of times it did it). Trying to accelerate or pass you could open the throttle and count "One Mississippi, Two Mississippi" before it would finally take off and go. Other times coming to a stop it would surge and jerk forward, which is a bit of a crazy feeling when you have no clutch and have to hit the kill switch. The dealership kept telling me that it was fine and nothing wrong with the bike. But clearly it wasn't fine. Maybe fine when they rode it around the block or wherever the take it. But it definitely wasn't right. American Honda, who told me that they cover the work on the fuel tank, etc. for "The life of the bike," wasn't returning phone calls or emails about it. The bike was also still well inside the extended warranty. As mentioned, I did consider trading for a newer model, but the newer CRF1100 models are having their own set of headaches and by this time I had lost confidence in my 2018 and in Honda in dealing with issues. I decided to try something different. The first thing that struck me with the 890 Adventure is that at a wet weight of 456lbs, it is a good 100lbs less than the ATAS DCT, which actually took a little getting used to :) I know KTM's have their own set of "featured issues," but I have always had a KTM in the garage and did at the time of purchasing the 890 Adventure (2021 690 Enduro R), so I am know what I am getting into with them. I have actually found them to be more responsive than American Honda has been, but that could be a factor of dealership as well. Best of luck to you with the Africa Twin. I loved my 2016 AT and my wife loves her 2017 AT. It is too bad the 2018 ATAS turned out to be such a dud. I probably should have kept the 2016 :)
Very good content for myself and averyone else i think 😉 ! If i would have any Chance to meet you 😏 ?! I come from Germany, have exact your age , and dont like to get older whitout getetting better riding any bike at all ! Greetings from Bavaria 😉Andreas
“Perceived reliability”, it is actual, reality driven and not perception. Though 790 is what I ride and your wheel issue is the wheel bearing failure. KTM quality. What you are describing is going to cause uneven tire wear and pulsating front brakes when stopping with light pull on brake lever. Otherwise, I also have fogging of TFT, cruise control will not engage….the list is long. KTMs are junk though fun to ride as you describe, all true.
Wheel bearing failure from the day I rode it home from the dealer? Failure, or just crappy manufacturing? I would definitely like to get rid of the hop. I agree that KTM quality control is hit-miss…it’s unfortunate. But yes, fun to ride.
@@MotoTherapy Just watched this and TFT videos, all wonderful. I saw where you complained of wheel hop and later you suffered a front wheel air leak. ...maybe a rim issue? Hope you get it fixed, whatever it is.
@@Oriskany34Ken Thank you! I'm still wrangling with the dealership about it. I might end up taking the bike to a different KTM dealership to see if I can get better support.
Ive got the 21 890R and its been great, 18,000 miles on it, dirt and street both. It loves tight paved backroads, totally neutral handling dives into corners readily, the brakes are solid 1 finger stoppers, so easy to use.
On dirt/rocks/ rough roads the R likes it when I keep the pace up, soaks things up better.
I put 1 rate softer springs ft and rr to suit my weight, much better that way, A Sargent seat and its an all day comfy ride that way.
No problems, no wheel issues on mine, havent even had to adjust the chain yet.
Had a lot of KTM's over the years, this is the funnest one yet.
Thank you very much for your review. I got my 890 adventure in march 21 and I am at 22 k km (13.6 k miles). Nice tours within Germany, to Scandinavia (north cape), Austria, Slovenia. In 2 weeks I go with friends to abruzzo (Italy). It is my first KTM - I call it my summer bike, I use it on- and off-road, in winter I drive a 1250 RT. I like the power to weight ratio, the handling and the sportive character. At the beginning it seemed to be relatively hard - after setting the rear suspension to comfort (rebound damping) and after getting used to the saddle 500 to 700 km tours have been no major issue. I have the same effect or similar effect on the front wheel: between 65 to 70 km/h (40 to 43 miles/hr) I have a kind of handlebar wobble (shimmy). I did not recognize it with the first Avon tyres - after changing to Heidenau it appeared significantly. After the scandinavian tour I went back to Avon - at the beginning it was a little better but at the end of the tyres it reappeared strongly. My dealer is doing his job very carefully - so he now measured the rim in detail: no negative result. Also rebalancing in between did not change anything. Now I got new Pirelly Scorpion Rally STR, let's see what happens. Beside this there is no major issue - I like the bike very much. By the way: my age is 68. To my opinion the 890 adventure is very suitable for riders with relatively short legs, my size is 1,73 m (5.68 feet).
Thank you for sharing your insights! I’m sorry you are also struggling with that front wheel issue. Yes-it’s a great bike for short inseams, and for touring. You live in a beautiful place for that! Enjoy!
@@MotoTherapy Good news - hopefully interesting to you. Starting by the end 😉: after 2 days at my dealer the handlebar wobble dissapeared completely, the machine is running smoothly as never before. As mentioned above I got new Pirelly Scorpion Rally STRs - they look nice and are very convincing (after the first 100 km 😉).
But: are they the reason for the positive change? Though I am not sure I don't think so. I had the front wheel effect since more than 10k km with Heidenaus and Avons, so I exclude the tyres. What else? My KTM got a new chainset (DID) and the dealer discovered that the nut fixing the front pinion was completely loose - held only by the safety plate ( I hope this is the correct wording). In addition the nut has worked into this safety plate and bent it partly. I guess that this lash and/or the partly used chain are responsible for the wobble effect. Of course I am not sure as it sounds implausible that a loose pinion nut can cause a handlebar wobble. Anyway I am very happy with my "new" 890 adventure. Probably you want to check the nut torque of your front pinion? Very best regards from Münster/Germany...
@@joey-iv1tq Excellent news! Thank you!!
@@joey-iv1tq I don’t understand the reference to the “front pinion nut”. Is this the nut holding on the front sprocket to the engine? You mentioned a new chain set and loose pinion nut. You’re very lucky the nut was kept on, it would have been a very bad day if it came off at speed.
@@bandknanacortes1858 yes, it is the nut holding the front sprocket (or pinion?). This nut was completely loose baut as it is hold by a safety shell it cannot be lost completely. My (new) dealer is controlling this nut on all new KTMs he is supplying.
Firstly it is the most warmest rewiev l have ever seen. Thank you so much for your clear English. l am from Turkey and l have also 890 s and l had also some issues such as shock absorber failure, rear break failure ext. one of my friend had front wheel balance problem. But l enjoy so so much ktm 890, l rode many different brand adventure bike but 890 is impressive.
Thanks for the review! I purchased an 890 S last January also. I’m at 6k miles. I did the MABDR and parts of the SCAR just last week. Great bike! There is simply not another middle weight that fits me better. I’ve had a couple of the KTM issues. Front brake pulsating and getting a new wheel under warranty. Also has the dreaded cold start issue but other than that it’s been perfect. And I agree, it’s a $13k bike KTM-THE DAMN TECH PACK SHOULD BE INCLUDED!!!
Nice! How was the MABDR on the 890? It’s on my list of routes to hit.
I've heard that the cold start issue sorts out with lower grade fuel! I don't know why, but everyone seems to agree that was the issue!
@@VMAdventures88 Higher grade fuel does not combust as easily as lower grade. Yes, I know, its counterintuitive. Higher grade does NOT perform better than lower grade, it is simply used in higher compression engines so that it will not detonate or experience pre-ignition.
Lot's of reports of guys easily bending the factory wheels so I wouldn't be surprised if yours isn't bent as well. These bikes definitely don't need crash bars, they'd be a total waste of money. My TFT screen has fogged a few times but only on the extreme outer edges so it hasn't concerned me. I've owned over 30 different motorcycles in my life and my 890R is hands down my favorite all around to date.
I am considering one or the Norden 901 but all my friends are telling me to avoid the motor because they grenade. Is there any truth to that?
@@marcochavane3124 Haven't seen or heard of that at all in the forums.
@@marcochavane3124 If all you look at it is online people bashing KTM's, it seems like they all blow up.
In reality, they dont. One thing, if you run the Rottweiler airbox and intake , THAT has destroyed some engines, like total destruction from dirt going in. Then people want it warrantied.
There's a lot of chatter about that. I would never consider swapping a whole airbox out on a bike. People do though.
best review on ktm adventure i have seen yet you could be me, I had a Tiger Explorer which was great but too top heavy i was attracted to the R just because of the way it looks i had visions of me powering around offroad but you have convinced me I should get the standard (i also have short legs) thanks for the heads up.
I’m picking my 890 (first ever KTM) up tomorrow, really looking forward to it! Has a v strom before and also run a Harley…..I love a twin! Great video now subbed.
Just picked up a 2023 890 adventure base model. Have the exact same front "hop". Happens around 36 to 44mph, so right around 40mph. It's not a shake or a vibration, more like a vertical hop, like going over a series of ridges. We'll see what the dealer can come up with. Bike is on brand new Pirelli STR's. Great video and I'll be looking at your other ones as well.
I hope they can get it sorted for you! My dealer was absolutely unhelpful.
Is there some solution for that hop 😊
I was debating on a Africa Twin. I’m 68 years old. That helps me decide on the KTM.
Switched from a Super Tenere to 890 as well, and the feeling is spot on. More ON than IN. 890 is great.
This is a move I keep thinking about
Count me as another 790 owner with front wheel hop. I had assumed that the Mitas E07 was faulty. I'm actually glad to know that I didn't choose a crap tire.
Excellent review. Very much appreciated with your honesty sir. Ride safe
One of the best review vids I've seen, actually watched the whole thing unlike other videos that lost my intrest rapidly.
Thank you 😊
Good overview you’re definitely spot on with your analysis. Not sure what’s going on with that front wheel I do not experience that issue but I do have some spoke weights that balance the front so I don’t know if you’ve tried those. I think the perspective you have on whether you buy the R not is correct I come from a motocross off-road racing background so for me the R is by far the best choice because I ride it hard I ride technical single track on it and yes it’s a big beast of a girl but it really performs amazing off-road. Great that you’re enjoying the bike so much!
Best review of the 890 on You Tube. Thank you from a prospective owner in UK 😎
By far the best unbiased review I’ve seen. Thanks!
Great review. I downsized from the 1290R to the 890R, although I'm still waiting for the new bike to land at the dealership. Most of my riding is off-road (fire roads to quad tracks--single track on a bad day.)--and I've been having flashes of buyer's remorse. This review gave me some comfort that I've made the right decision. Cheers!
Excellent! Best wishes with the new bike!
So just wondering , how is the 890 so far?
@@g.j.p3291 Its turned out to be the perfect adventure bike for me. Great motor. Brilliant chassis & suspension. I’m having me some fun.
Thank you for the review, I recognized myself in much of what you say in this video. I got this bike in the end of the season last year, and I'm looking forward to drive it and get to know it more this season. So far I really love the bike. I have only been ridig harleys for the past 20 years, and bought this bike on a impuls, and man I love it. This did fast become my number one bike to ride. The other bike (a HD Breakout) who used to be my favorite is now standing more and more in the garage. Now Im planning TET and lots of gravel adventures for the season to come! :) Ride safe
Yes, this bike is addictive, despite its quirks! Safe travels to you!
I did the entire SCAR 2 weeks ago (1200 miles) on the Suzuki DR650. She handled it well. My butt is still sore, ended up splurging on an aftermarket seat.
Those DRs are amazing bikes! Glad you were able to tackle the SCAR!
Great review , helped me choose as an old short guy I also went for the s model , love it , just wish we had trails like that here in uk
Thank you so much for a very detailed and extensive review, coming from real long use 👍 I used to ride an Africa Twin dct on and off-road, as you said awsome bike but heavy to lift up as I'm 65. So tgat I opted for a Husqvarna 701 Enduro: way better and easier off-road, but a pain in the ass on long on-road travelling. So may I consider the 890, when getting older with easier off-road and longer on-road travels. And yes, the Aptilia Tuareg 660 is promising.
Hi there! You mentioned almost all the points which are important. Spot on! I had a 790 Adv S and switched it for an 890 Adv R which I´m picking up today🙂. With my 790 Adv I had exactly the same issues as you, i.e. foggy instrument and a "strange behaving" front wheel. Same as you, the instrument (screen) was changed by another one which in turn did the same (fogged up). Can´t believe that nowadays KTM ain´t able to have their subs deliever an instrument which simply works as with other makers... The front wheel has been adjusted (rim & spoke tension) and after that I had now issues whatsoever. Yes, there´s a lot of trash-talk about KTM and I know there were some issues, certainly not nice for the respective owners. I had never experienced any breakdowns and/or engine issues. On the contrary, the fuel consumption and hence its range is absolutely fantastic, so is the low center of gravitation. A lot of this trash talk is quite biased and those people often "oversee" that other makes also recall their bikes. My point of view: You can´t have it all (as in real life) and everyone should enjoy his/her own taste. More tolerance towards other bikers would be great. If someone loves his GS or Goldwing or whatever, there´s a reason for it. WHY for Christ sake do people have to talk ill about did and dat? Don´t get it. Safe ride for everyone out there!
Excellent comments. Enjoy that new 890!!
The stuff is made in china...
@@masterspin7796 Tell me one complex product which has no Chinese parts in it. It’s called globalization. Nearly every maker does it. There is no such thing like „Made in xy „ anymore.
@@anchinkan I know it sucks!...everything for my BMW 1250 R/T.."made in china" priced as if it was made in Germany$$$
@@masterspin7796 This model is made in Austria.
70 years old here. Bought the "S" when the ES Africa Twin I was looking at was sold before I could get there. Best happy accident ever. Cruise was also a deal breaker for other coulda bought. Great review.
Returning rider after 30 yrs absence... once I get back in the groove, I've been wanting to try ADV, so, I'm starting my research into midweights (for many of the same reasons). I keep coming back to the KTM 890 Adventure... I live in the upstate, and look forward to riding the SCAR...
It’s been a great bike. Ride safe, and I hope to see you on the SCAR!
In December of 2020 I bought a new KTM 790 Adventure S and love the bike. It is everything you said it is (Paid an excellent price for it as well ($9,999,00 Total Net tax and tags included in that price). The only problem I have had so far (and not really a problem as it turned out) was what I thought was an oil leak but after having it checked out at the Dealer found it to be some chain oil dripping down. Yeah, go figure. I just recently bought a set of Lone Rider Rear Motto Bags for it but have been procrastinating installing the frame from KTM that will support them, haha. I also own a 2016 Motto Guzzi V7 II Stone which had me considering the KTM or the Motto Guzzi V85 at the time. But I am more than glad that I chose the KTM 790 ADV S. I live in Washington D.C. but may be moving soon since the cost of living here has become one of the most expensive in the USA.
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Great bike choices! Thanks for the comment--best wishes with your luggage install and possible move!
Just found this video and it's very helpful. Like you, I'm getting older and also riding an Africa Twin. While the AT is an awesome bike, I'm having the same concerns with the the weight and my ability to pick it up. I ride alone and am looking for something that has some off road capability but is lighter and more nimble. Initially, I figured I'd buy a T7, but the lack of availability with the resulting premium pricing and the very high seat height have me looking for alternatives. I have a KTM 500EXC for real off road so the 890 looks like a great option for a street/ADV bike. Thanks for the great review!
Thanks for watching, and good luck with the bike decision! For me, the 890 was much more manageable for solo riding. My only gripe about it was the typical KTM quality controll issues (mentioned in the video) and the lackluster dealer support regarding warranty support--although I know that can be very dealer-specific, and can be the casae with any brand.
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Great information and very relatable to most "adventure" riders. Thanks!
My tracer 900gt beat out the competition for me as the smallest bike with cruise. And it’s an absolute hulagan here in the mountains of Japan.
Great bike!
Nice review - recognized that flooded road in your intro - island ford outside of Brevard - I’m on it everyday :)
That it is!
Had my 890 for a year. Excellent. The R is complete overkill.
The R isn't overkill, the Rally is lol, but I still wish that I had one.
@@texlee84 They are ALL completely wild animals!
Hello. Good to hear that the bike is so good, my wife has just bought a new 2022mod now without having test-ridden that type of bike before. We still have winter here in Norway so it will be a couple more months before there is a test run. Ho comes from a Harley FatBob so the transition will be great, would over on the Adventure bike when I bought Pan America. Thanks for a nice video.
Best wishes with the bike! She will love it 🙂
I’ve had many bikes and the one that satisfies me the most is definitively the 890 Adventure! I also went for the standard version aldo I would have loved the R version, but no use for that here in the middle of Europe as there is nowhere you still may ride kind of serious off-road.... sad enough... Nvertheless the standard is quite capable for gentle off road. Thank for your video
Thank you for chiming-in! Best wishes to you!
This was a really useful review.
I'm still on the fence on the R. vs. the S. model.
You've given me a lot to think about, we are very similar in our riding situations.
Thanks! Glad it was helpful-best wishes!
Same thing here. For two months I'm looking for the S reviews (especially off-road) because there are almost only R version videos.
I am traveling with my wife, mostly on pavement and some gravell roads (no fancy jumping on dessert dunes etc). But when I'm alone I like to "get dirty" a little bit. The S version of this bike seems enough for me, but I still wandering if maybe it's better to have that extra adjustability for more tough terrain later in my adventures.
Is the S version capable enough to take it and be relatively comfy - let's say - for trip from Europe through Russia to Kirgistan, for Morocco and African roads?
I need a bike that I will be able to grow with as an more off-road adventure rider for next 5-10 years before I change my motorbike again ;)
@@twowheelsadventures3137 yep exactly. Good points.
The S model with better off-road tires seems to then only latch the 4 way adjustable rear suspension and stronger front forks right?
Also The 2 year warranty on the S vs. the R 1 year was unknown to me till this video.
@@AmenMoto Yeah. I'm from Europe so I need to ask in my KTM dealer about the warranty. It was new info for me too.
I saw many RUclips documents where people traveled the world even on scooters, so maybe I am overthinking, and S wersion is good enough. I own old Honda CBF 600 that is more of a street bike, and I've trawelled a lot on it. Before Covid I had couple of rides where I had to back off, because of it suspension, so I really started to looking for something more off-road capable, because with friends we start to thinking about Morrocco and maybe some Asian trips.
Also - I want a motorbike, that I can have for couple of years, and build upon it (I don't want to outgrow it to quickly). 890 seems perfect for my type of riding (light, off-road capable, good performnce on road, and comfy enought for lighter trips with pillion). The only thing is the dilema: the mighty R or S!
Just to be clear - I am not an aspiring FUTURE PRO DAKAR RIDER. I just need good, relatively light bike to travel EVERYWHERE (often with pillion). I don't need more expensive R version if S would be enough.
Because S is mostly shown just on asphalt I'm afraid of its off-road capability.
@@twowheelsadventures3137 Probably either bike will meet your needs. Of course the R does have a few suspension advantages, but the S is at least as capable as most adventure bikes out there, and many people have ridden epic adventures on less capable bikes. I did ride my S on the Trans America Trail from Colorado to Oregon, if you want to check out some of that footage (video is in this channel): ruclips.net/video/RVmPUJxiiQ0/видео.html
Great content! and helpful! I am just planning to do the transamerican trail from Oregon to the east coast. I am debating between the KTM 1290 R vs S with some mods.
I hope you have an epic trip on whatever bike you end up with!!
Awesome review! Thank you so much
What a great video, man! I saw that you also got a KLX 300, which I added in November. I've got a Super Tenere ES that I keep tinkering with swapping out for something else and the 890 would really be perfect if I didn't have reliability concerns. But this anecdote is nice to hear.
Fantastic KTM warranty! Foggy screen and they replaced with another FOGGY SCREEN! WOW! What a great deal and the service is excellent!...Looks like a great bike, but I'll await the issues being sorted before I get caught out several hundred miles from assistance in BC's backcountry.
The wheel probably has a side of the rim that is slightly smashed inward it creates a slight wobble my Bros. bike did that it felt like it was going up and down and it was...
Re your front wheel, my friend bought a 790 rally and the front wheel was obviously built incorrectly and had to be replaced. Not good enough. When did you ever hear of a Japanese bike having such a problem.
Thanks for the honest review. I like you am older, have had back issues, am 5'9" now, but still want an ADV for some local travel (motocamping) and a few long trips I still want to take. I live in Colorado. I'm in my mid-60s, started with a F800GS, which was a good bike, but like your Honda, too heavy for me to pick up without worrying about injury. I sold it and got a KTM 690 which I turned into an ADV bike (sort of). Which was a beast off road, but not so great on the pavement in the cross winds which we get a lot of out west here. Also like you I really need cruise control due to arthritis in both wrists. I sold the 690 last year as I needed the money for something. Now looking at Tenere 700 or the 890. in my mind the Tenere wins in respect to cost, availability of parts and reliability (I assume), but loses in those important seat height, smaller fuel tank and pickup weight (reminds me of the BMW). On the other hand the 890 wins with Tubeless, Cruise control and although a little heavier, the weight is down low so from what I've seen is much easier to pickup. Would you be comfortable taking your 890 on a long trip to Tierra del Fuego? That is one of my plans.
As far as the bike’s size and capability goes, I’d take it almost anywhere except very technical mountain passes (note: I rode the TAT and slabbed back home with no issues). My only concern would be maintenance-I’m not familiar with KTM shops/parts availability in South America. My 890 had irritating but never trip-stopping maintenance issues, yet I know many who have had such with their 890s. Not sure if the new 2023s are any more reliable or not. Since making this video, I’ve sold my KTM and moved to a R1250GSA. Definitely a bigger bike, but I am no longer looking for a do-it-all bike, as I now have a dual sport for more technical riding. The GSA is super comfortable, handles well off pavement, and is easier to pick up than my old Africa Twin, since it doesn’t fall completely flat. It also has incredible range with the big tank.
@@MotoTherapy Thanks for the reply! Your reply was thoughtful and honest. I'm leaning more towards the Tenere 700 now, although I wish it carried it's weight lower. I still want to test ride one but none of the dealers in my area seem to have any in stock. I've been looking at smaller bikes, but don't want to spend a year trying to make a smaller lighter bike good for long distance. I guess I just need to embrace the "it doesn't matter what bike it is, it is the journey that counts."
@@JBean_COCR Finding the right bike is no easy task, and I wish you all the best in that endeavor, and on your journey(s) ahead!
Got a Honda Africa Twin adventure sport ES 2021
Once I get it paid off I’m gonna get either this KTM or Tuareg 660
I just wish Aprillia wasn’t so far away or I wouldn’t even have to think about it. But 3 hours isn’t that bad.
I just bought a 2023 KTM 890 adventure and I have that exact problem with the front wheel that you describe. After a couple trips to the dealer, getting it rebalanced, the conclusion was that it was an incompatibility between the tire and the bike. I was hoping a tire change would fix it....looks like it may not. KTM ought to address this issue....
I hope they can help you! My dealer ended up refusing to warranty it. I eventually sold it as it was.
@@MotoTherapy I’m considering selling as well, much of my riding is in that speed range. What did you end up getting?
@@bobvandick2546 I don’t remember the exact sale price. I believe it was more than $12K and less than $13K
@@MotoTherapy I meant what did you replace it with 😊.
@@bobvandick2546 After the 890, I very briefly owned a V85TT which was a disaster on all fronts (see my ownership experience video on the V85TT). Now, I have two bikes-A KLX300 for messing around locally and for more technical riding, and a R1250GSA for my long-haul ADV/touring bike. Both bikes have been a huge success, and I plan to keep them a long time.
I tested the Aprilia Tuareg because I am looking for a lighter motorcycle, but: it is sorely lacking in torque at low revs. It's a small engine so it runs at 6000 rpm at 120km (high revs) so it consumes a lot of fuel. My Bmw f850 Gs saves at least 1 liter per 100km. And it's not cheap... I was delighted before the trying and I was disappointed with the Tuareg, but that's of course personal.
The new Ktm 890 or even better the KTM 790 seems to meet my search criteria. Like you, I want a lighter bike.
Ktm is light, the new saddle seems comfortable (I like to travel with my motorcycles) and the new screen seems effective. There is cruise control and it is full of torque even at low revs.
She looks perfect to me. I just don't know the brand and I don't hear good things about reliability.
Thanks for your feedback :)
Best wishes in your search!
Good vid.
As always.
Ready to take a ride with the boys soon.
Thanks, Tab! Looking forward to it!
In regards to your hopping front tire, you may have had a heat incident with the front brakes and your rotors might warped. This was something I experienced, especially if you favor your front brakes more.
Thanks! Actually, the front wheel hopping has happened since day 1 of ownership, and it occurs without braking.
@@MotoTherapy mine does the same thing since day one same speed around 35mph.
My 890 adventure S had a similar issue, turned out the Avon tires had a facility defect where the seems overlapped during construction and they replaced the tires with the warranty, I decided to switch to the Dunlop Trailmax Mission tires. They’re so much better and affordable
excellent video, very well explained. you should be a commercial Pilot, maybe you are a retired one. keep up the great work
I just want to add you can take the S on some pretty gnarly stuff. I went to Doe mountain OHV TN and road the main trail almost to the end. It got sketchy, but only because I had no idea what I was in for when we started the ride really. That place was great though and the trail was a blast. There were rocks the size of a toddlers head all over. I had off road mode and traction control at 9 and it ate through all of it like butter. I sometimes plough through 12 inch deep ruts near my house and this machine eats them up. I'm short like you were saying so I did the S too. I don't think I have the stones to ride the difference between the S and the R.
Well said! I’ll never be better than the suspension on my S, anyway.
Suspension will make it wheel hop. It will eventually put flat spots in the front tire.
How are you liking the bike 6 months on from this video? Any new issues crop up or existing ones get worse?
I was initially sold on the R but after watching your video, it looks like the S would be more than capable for the type of riding I do. One of the biggest reasons I like the S is the taller windscreen. I think it might make the bike a slightly better tourer than the R. Have you ridden it much on the highway or fast wide open back roads? How's the comfort and wind buffeting in those situations? Would you buy the bike again if you could do it over? What other bikes would you consider?
I recently sold my 890 in order to buy a small dual sport, so that my wife and I can be on more equal footing when we ride together (she has an XT250). However, there were no new or worsening issues with my 890 before I sold it. It’s a fantastic bike for what it is 👍
I see you went back to the AT. I’m about to trade my 22’ AT adventure Sport in for an 890 (non R)
I absolutely love the AT more than word can describe. But man the top heavy weight off road or even at a stop, or off the side stand is such a hand full, and makes me feel fatigued after a days ride. I’m not aggressive, but I do like random unknown exploration rides. The twin just holds me back a little (yes my strength/skill)
Actually, I owned the AT before the KTM. I considered going back to an AT, but didn’t for the reasons you outlined. My next bike will be an R1250GSA (delivered to me in about 2 weeks). I recently spent a week riding a GSA in Arizona. The BMW is heavier, but feels lighter and less too heavy than the AT.
@@MotoTherapy oh ok, my bad. I thought I spotted a comment below where u said u ordered a 22 AT, due to poor KTM dealer issues.
@@adventureundone That did happen, and then I canceled the order. Like you, I loved the bike, but I became hesitant to explore on it solo.
I had the same wheel hop at the same speeds. The rim was dented (sidewall was flared out a tiny bit), enough to make the hop. A new Warp9 wheel cured the problem.
Thank you for sharing this insight!!!
I did all the same steps as you: balanced, new tire, etc. It wasn’t even visibly noticeable. I didn’t notice the rim was slightly flared out until I ran the whole length of my hand along the sidewall of the rim.
Is that an aftermarket wheel, or one you purchased from KTM? I’m having the same wheel hop…
Thank you for this review...very informative as are the comments. Currently on a 2018 KLR 650 and it's been a fabulous bike with no issues. I'm intrigued by all these new Adventure bikes that offer "creature comforts" that I currently lack...abs, cruise control, digital display, fuel injection etc. The 890 is one of a small handful that I'm seriously considering, but the list of issues are a concern. Also very intrigued by the Aprila 660 but the closest dealer is 4 hours away. Debating if I should wait for Honda's release of the Transalp?
Thanks for watching! I’m also intrigued by Aprilia 660, but I have a Guzzi and it’s not been problem free. I live only 3.5 hrs from a dealer, and it’s a pain in the butt. I wouldn’t buy one again, for that reason alone.
You mentioned that you might have considered buying the Aprilia Toureg 660 because of the BS additional charge that KTM charges for the Demo Mode, well let me tell you about Aprilia's BS. Aprilia adds on a Whopping $2000 shipping charge, plus dealers set-up fees too, taxes, etc for a new Toureg 660. I just canceled my order for a 2023 red one. Got $500 down on a "23 KTM890 Adventure now.
Front wheel. Try and try again to get the forks and wheel absolutely parallel. My ktm had same issue, I’ve now found ways to measure the fork from the frame to make sure it is 100% true alignment. Since then, it rides loads better at that 35-50 mph range.
Thanks! Please say more. How do you better align the front wheel with the fork, when the front axle simply slides through and tightens as it will?
I agree. I’ve managed to measure and then get it straight. Maybe we should tell readers how? If I recall, I measure from foot peg or engine bolt near footpeg, to the brake calliper. Make sure you use exactly the same points each side and make sure you are precise to a mm. Then, I find the bike drives straight. Thoughts?
Secondly, I check measure from rear rack ( single middle point) to each bar end. If these lengths differ, your wheel could be slightly out. But you have to patiently work using this length and the lower one I mentioned before. A check is to get bar end length the same,look at direction of tire And then check the lower length, which should also be the same. If not, you are out of line, so redo. Etc until you have top and lower lengths correct, each side. Then you’re sorted. Mark up with a pen, and enjoy stability. Cheers
oh, and always bounce the front folk up/down holding the front brake BEFORE you tighten the axle bolt and the pinch bolts. ideally, the brake caliper should be very slightly loosened as, believe it or not, the caliper can "direct" the front wheel. once you think you have it all aligned, tighten the axle nut, tighten the pinch bolts and tighten the calipers. In that order. spin the wheel to make sure the brakes are not binding and then go ride it.
Hello, what do you think about the riding comfort of the motorcycle with a pillion?
I never had a pillion on that bike, so I can’t give you a good answer 😀
Thanks for the review. It’s good to hear long term thoughts from an owner who is my close in age, inseam, and I have some permanent injuries as well.
I traded my 1290 SA-R for a 22 890 Adventure the other day. Had a Pan Am prior to that.
This bike fits me.
It just might be my forever bike.
It's been a while that you shoot this video. I was wondering if you've still have it. I just test ride it today and the heat coming from the engine is huge. Not sure if I will buy it. Other than that it's ligth a very revy...
I no longer have it. I sold my middleweight bike (the 890) and got two bikes-a KLX300 for local technical riding and an R1250GSA for long hauls. I loved almost everything about the KTM. Yes, it produces heat, but most high compression motors do. I view it as a trade off for performance.
Great review. I bought a new 2017 Honda AT. The only two things I didn’t like about the AT was the weight and not enough power. I’m 61 now, won’t do a lot of serious off roading , but still want the power of the 890. I’m Looking to trade for a new 2023 KTM 890 ADV. Don’t really like the extra cost of the demo pkg after 1000 miles. Just curious how much was the cost of the tech package? Also do you think it was worth it.
I don't remember the cost, and I don't like how KTM charges to "unlock" these features that are already on the bike. But I bought the tech package because I needed cruise control due to multiple right shoulder surgeries.
Great honest assessment.Thanks.
You mentioned your front wheel ... was breaking involved? Bret Tkacs had a problem with the brake discs of his 790 and a serious failure on his rear brake (mentioned it in a video). I don't know if the 890 can suffer from the same issue and if that may cause your problems.
No braking was involved, but I did see Bret’s review 👍
hi,gongrats for your review..i am owner of ktm 890 adv 2022 and i have a question for you..are you sure you can change modes during the fly?
My memory says it is possible, but I cannot verify with absolute certainty, as I no longer have the bike.
@@MotoTherapy thanks for your instant reply.ride safe
Great review, very informative.
Could you do another review now that you’ve got another riding seasons experience?
I can’t, because I sold the bike and now have a R1250GSA.
I'm on 890 ADV R and recently putting 25g front & 55g back balancing weight on the wheel. Saying that I do have TPMS module installed but still consider it need quite a bit weight to balance.
Also my fuel tank seems to develop split lines but not cracks nor leakage, just ain annoying
Other than that, every ride is a fun ride!
Might be loose in the neck between handlebars and fork I seen a video and that’s a problem somebody else had
Thanks!
Having finished your 2 TAT videos I was wondering why the Africa Twin got replaced…question answered!
Yep…2 shoulder surgeries later and I much prefer having cruise control to reduce right shoulder and arm pain.
Hi mate, Excellent review-Thankyou,
I’m looking at the 890 Adventure or the Tiger Rally Pro and am leaning slightly towards the 890.
Does it ever feel under powered on the motorway/highway please?.
Also do you notice much vibration through the bars, pegs or seat?
Ride safe biker bro.
Never underpowered on the freeway-even when loaded with gear. The suspension is a bit on the stiff side (especially compared to my previous bike, an Africa Twin), so more aggressive tires and/or grooved pavement will translate into some vibration, but no significant vibration with the OEM street-oriented tires.
@@MotoTherapy Much appreciated bud, ride safe.
Good review! Could you also share warranty issues with you previous bike?
My previous bike (Africa Twin) had no mechanical issues, so no warranty issues, either.
Well done!
I had 10 issues with my 890 AdvR. Everything from Immobilizer failure, moisture inside the TFT display and cold start issues
Sorry to hear that! Do you still own it?
@@MotoTherapy no I sold it. I totally lost confidence in the bike and was afraid to be stranded. I made a video about it. But it was a very competent bike and I still miss it.
@@kimomoto My problems weren’t as numerous as yours, but the dealer’s and or KTM’s lack of desire to address my warranty issues ultimately led me to sell mine (since making this video). Like you, I loved the bike’s performance and I do miss riding it, but I’m absolutely unwilling to own a bike that the manufacturer won’t stand behind.
@@MotoTherapy that’s totally understandable. That’s sooo bad I can’t believe it. I’m sorry you had to go through all that.
I've yet to find this answer but how comfortable is the back seat? I usually have a passenger and they complain about my 1290 duke's rear seat so curious to know about this one.
Unfortunately, I am unable to answer your question--I've never ridden my 890 Adventure with a passenger.
The hopping on the front wheel may be the chain uneven length . it hsppent to me . it was not the front wheel or tire was tha chain been. Long and short pulling . afesting the front end .
Good point--thanks!
great review
Did you buy your ktm from a dealer in SC?
I bought it in Augusta, GA (Augusta Kawasaki Suzuki is also a KTM dealer)
My favorite answer is always "I am in my fifties." - Frank
Glad you can relate, Lol!
Really debating a KTM or a tenere 700 they're just hard to find! Plus my dealer sells KTM n not Yamaha so idk yet I'm in Michigan so I'll wait the winter
Sounds like a wise plan. Maybe a few more months of winter will help add to your clarity. Best wishes!
I won't buy another ktm until they include all the software on their bikes. It seems so petty that they would do that to customers. Plus, like you mentioned, there are plenty of other options.
Not having cruise is mind numbing too.
Hallo bro from balkan europe,great machine! 🖐😎👍 one question ..is it possible to achieve 65mpg at 50mph or 3,6L/100km at 80kmh in 6 gear easy relax solo ride on the nice flat asphalt road..constant speed without the panniers?? I m 179 100kg
You could probably get very close to that economy. If you draft a large truck, you can get over 100 mpg (don’t ask me how I know, lol)
@@MotoTherapy 😎👍
This or Africa twin 1100 ?
Funny you should ask. The 890 Adventure is a great handling bike (better than the Africa Twin off pavement), but KTM’s poor quality control and unwillingness to honor the warranty has led me to sell my 890 and order a ‘22 Africa Twin AS. The Africa Twin will arrive in the next 1-2 weeks. I used to have a ‘18 Africa Twin, and it was a great handling and more comfortable bike (although a bit heavier, and definitely more top heavy). So, I have had both bikes, and I am choosing to return to the Honda now that it has better electronics and tubeless tires.
That is the million dollar question. I have had a couple of Africa Twins, a 2016 AT DCT and a 2018 Africa Twin Adventure Sports. I have some issues with the 2018 Adventure Sports that Honda seems unable or unwilling to resolve. I strongly considered swapping it for a 2022 Base Model AT, but they have had their own set of issues. TFT going into safe mode, TFT resetting itself, TFT blinking and not displaying Power, Engine Breaking, Tracking Control, ABS and Suspension mode are blinking.
So I decided to go a different route this time, rather than a 3rd Africa Twin and picked up a 2022 KTM 890 Adventure. Whether that proves to be the right decision or not, time will tell :)
Good luck with whatever you decided and I hope the choice you make turns out to be a good one for you!
@@iSean1 You are spot on. Likewise, I hope your move to the 890 is a great one for you! It’s an awesome bike to ride, I just soured due to my interactions with KTM and the only dealer reasonably close to me. I don’t expect any motorcycle to be absolutely trouble free, but I do expect dealers to at least return e-mails and phone calls, to be willing to chase problems, etc. This is where KTM lost me, and it sounds like it’s where Honda lost you. With you the best with the 890!!!
@@MotoTherapy Yes. I had the 2018 Adventure Sports DCT Model that had the fuel tank issues. It was in twice prior the the recall for fuel tank cleaning, fuel pump replacement and both fuel injectors replaced. Then with the recall Honda cleaned the tank and replaced the fuel pump again (no injector replacement with the recall). The bike continued to have intermittent nagging issues. Sputtered and felt like it was going to stall when cold. Sputtered and felt like it was going to stall at times of low throttle like low speed cornering into my neighborhood. It wouldn't accelerate beyond a certain speed (79mph and 84mph the last couple of times it did it). Trying to accelerate or pass you could open the throttle and count "One Mississippi, Two Mississippi" before it would finally take off and go. Other times coming to a stop it would surge and jerk forward, which is a bit of a crazy feeling when you have no clutch and have to hit the kill switch.
The dealership kept telling me that it was fine and nothing wrong with the bike. But clearly it wasn't fine. Maybe fine when they rode it around the block or wherever the take it. But it definitely wasn't right.
American Honda, who told me that they cover the work on the fuel tank, etc. for "The life of the bike," wasn't returning phone calls or emails about it. The bike was also still well inside the extended warranty.
As mentioned, I did consider trading for a newer model, but the newer CRF1100 models are having their own set of headaches and by this time I had lost confidence in my 2018 and in Honda in dealing with issues. I decided to try something different.
The first thing that struck me with the 890 Adventure is that at a wet weight of 456lbs, it is a good 100lbs less than the ATAS DCT, which actually took a little getting used to :)
I know KTM's have their own set of "featured issues," but I have always had a KTM in the garage and did at the time of purchasing the 890 Adventure (2021 690 Enduro R), so I am know what I am getting into with them. I have actually found them to be more responsive than American Honda has been, but that could be a factor of dealership as well.
Best of luck to you with the Africa Twin. I loved my 2016 AT and my wife loves her 2017 AT. It is too bad the 2018 ATAS turned out to be such a dud. I probably should have kept the 2016 :)
Very good content for myself and averyone else i think 😉 ! If i would have any Chance to meet you 😏 ?! I come from Germany, have exact your age , and dont like to get older whitout getetting better riding any bike at all ! Greetings from Bavaria 😉Andreas
Thanks! Give me a shout if you’re ever in South Carolina!
“Perceived reliability”, it is actual, reality driven and not perception. Though 790 is what I ride and your wheel issue is the wheel bearing failure. KTM quality. What you are describing is going to cause uneven tire wear and pulsating front brakes when stopping with light pull on brake lever.
Otherwise, I also have fogging of TFT, cruise control will not engage….the list is long. KTMs are junk though fun to ride as you describe, all true.
Wheel bearing failure from the day I rode it home from the dealer? Failure, or just crappy manufacturing? I would definitely like to get rid of the hop. I agree that KTM quality control is hit-miss…it’s unfortunate. But yes, fun to ride.
But as for my “perceived reliability” comment, yes perception can also be reality.
@@MotoTherapy Just watched this and TFT videos, all wonderful.
I saw where you complained of wheel hop and later you suffered a front wheel air leak. ...maybe a rim issue?
Hope you get it fixed, whatever it is.
@@Oriskany34Ken Thank you! I'm still wrangling with the dealership about it. I might end up taking the bike to a different KTM dealership to see if I can get better support.
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