One thing I like to do is to map the video record button to ISO, so when I do that I can hold it in and roll the front CMD dial to turn auto ISO on/off quickly. Thank you for a great video
In the Nikon ZF's auto ISO mode, I set an initial maximum auto ISO limit. If the situation demands a higher ISO limit, there's no need for menu navigation to reset it; a simple turn of the dial to the desired number overrides the initial limit, adapting it to the necessary higher value. Additionally, for the convenience of enabling or disabling auto ISO, I've included the on/off switch in "my menu," ensuring easy and rapid access for control.
Also, when you choose an ISO on the dial which is below your upper limit, this becomes the lowest available ISO using auto-dial. So, let's say you have set the mahimum ISO to 6400 and with 100 iso you get aperture of 2.8. If you set the dial to ISO 400 then this will become the lower availabile ISO (and in my example the aperture will go to 5.6). In my opinion the implementation is really great and never really need to deactivate auto-ISO (btw I have a Z Fc and I am waiting for a grey ZF :)).
@@stavros.fourfourianakis I looked at the Zfc Reference Guide, it seems this camera’s dials operates differently than the Zf. There isn’t a “C” Control position on the Zfc and it looks like the dial settings works differently on both cameras. Their respective guides contain different information about their operation. Anyone has both and can check to see if they are similar or different? Please post your findings.
@@waynerm002 I went with the black so I could get it bundled with the 40SE. Happy with is so far but missing the days where you got the full manual in the box...guess I am getting old :)
@@chrismiller4863 LOL! Yeah, although I don't mind not having the manual anymore as I can get the reference guide and download to my device and use it in a pinch on the road. After playing with the Zf, I got the Voigtlander 40 f1.2 to use on the Brown Zf, I don't have and may not get if the Z6 III comes out with all the stuff I want on it. 😅😅
Yep, I'm aware. For me though, when I'm using Manual mode, it's all manual, especially on that kind of camera. Loved doing that on the Df. My Z8 lives at ISO 64 for as much as I can use that setting, then I'll bump to 800 and may go up to 2500 at night, if I need to. Those works fine for video as well.
Your comments are spot on!! some folks drive Toyota or Honda, then get into a Porsche and don't know how to fully operate that car. Then they read the manual and within just a few rides they love ALL about the Porsche and live happy ever after READ!! YOUR MANUALS BOYS AND GIRLS, READ YOUR MANUALS Peace
The Df was sooo good yet so heavy ... I use A mode and auto ISO works perfectly (setting dial on C, using min ISO to 100 and max 6400, mostly street photography). For some reason it works fine with A or M but not on S mode ...
Auto ISO is actually an ISO safety setting. Once you think mirrorless Df instead of a Fujifilm by Nikon you don’t have a problem - for photography. If I miss something on the Zf it is a back AF button, a joystick and a second Cf button.
Thanks for watching and commenting. For those of us that had the Df, we understand the Zf, to an extent. It would have been great if they hadn't stripped out some of the features that would have made it a true fusion camera like the Df. Who knows, maybe they will come out with another version based off the Z8/9, with a proper grip and improved performance. Df was @$2700 if I recall, with D4 sensor and features, Zf is based of the Z6 II with some features stripped out.
My settings when testing equipment is 1/3 step for Shutter Speed, C for ISO, 0 for Exposure Compensation and then I might change that to C. But the most important test besides making sure your memory card is formatted and your battery is fully charged (Dummy Battery with a PD External is Best), is to MAKE SURE YOU REMOVE THE FRONT LENS CAP BEFORE SHOOTING. Great Video! Cheers!
You know how it is, we at times want something to operate differently that what we get.This "flaw" is not a flaw in the product but, how some would like it to work. Still on the fence about getting one.
It would be nice to have the option to have the Dial setting override in the Classical sense. Maybe a Retro Dial mode. C is Default ISO Auto, moving out of C is ISO manual. Firmware update baby!! edit: im so old school I keep forgetting this thing is touch screen hahaha
LOL! This camera was designed to be used be legacy film shooters, digital shooters and folks that are moving from (I believe) the camera phone but, who want to have the option to learn and grow with the camera. Someone posted some info in how the Zfc works, seems that camera allows more use of the dials.
Manufacturers explain how a function works in their manual/reference guide, this way users can follow the instruction provided. Each company does their own thing as well as use their own terminology. That doesn't make a function a flaw in the designed. Some like to figure things out on their own or are used to another product's way of doing things. The expectations for another company's product to work similar to another sounds good but, as we know, company these days don't want to run afoul of being accused of patent infringement. Makes sense they don't follow another manufacturers method.
It could be a possibility but, I think most wouldn't want that as the dial omits some ISO numbers, these can only be gained via the menu or you would have to use the Exposure Compensation dial to increase or decrease the exposure to match the missing exposure. That is adding another step to the process.
Had to look as I've started to see comments and videos about this and I'm certain this wasn't as issue. Some people think their way is correct instead of what's in the Reference Guide.
I don't have a zf but i think i can explain why Nikon made the is this way. I've watched 2 other videos about the y'all in the zf and this situation. I mainly shoot in manual mode. I occasionally shoot in aperture priority mode but it's rare. I want to be in control of my settings. But there are times when the light or the background colors change rapidly and faster than i can change ISO. Now i can press the ISO button and just leave it on ISO and change it up and down the way i would use the shutter button to shave my expedite with the shutter speed. But if the light conditions are changing very quickly, i can't keep up. When that happens i use auto ISO but in manual mode. That way i stay in control of the aperture and the shutter speed. I think this is why you can't change the ISO by turning the knob to C. You're still in auto ISO mode even though you can change the shutter speed and aperture with the knobs. If you want to get out of auto ISO, you will have to reverse what you did when you put it in that mode. You'll have to go back into the settings and change it. I think you can put it on the "i" menu or set the front function button for that. The zf is a different camera than the other z cameras. It's made with a specific purpose in mind. In the film days the ISO was in the film itself. There was an ISO setting but that was for the light meter to calculate exposure. You basically told the camera what outdo film you were using and it would tell you what the exposure was when you changed the study speed and aperture. I would prefer a switch on the body to change from auto ISO to manual ISO but maybe there wasn't enough room for that. But 8 think it was smart that Nikon has it set this way. If i want to manually control the shutter speed and aperture i have to turn the knob to the C. Maybe i want to keep the auto ISO turned on. This is the only way that would work.
Yeah, I also think they did it for those that want to shoot manual and use the dials as in the old days. The PSAM controls are for those that got in later and into digital as we have been used to that. For the newer generation, they added an Auto setting with AI tech to perform like your iPhone. Something for everyone.
Some people thinking about the camera may see those videos and believe the camera has a flaw. So many people take what some RUclipsrs say as fact and never investigate on their own. These folks in turn regurgitate these stories to others and it snowballs.I aim to provide fact based information and provide data from the source (manual, guides, articles, etc.), so people can see the truth. Thanks for watching.
I think they've really messed up the logic here. When in auto-iso and manual mode, the dial can be used to set the auto-iso limit - perfect! But it doesnt work the same way in A and S modes as it will prioritise using iso for more light before changing the 3rd exposure value, so in any but the brightest environment it just maxes out to the value you set on the dial (making it pointless). This is the problem in my opinion (along with the fact that you cant turn auto iso off when the dial isnt in c mode)
Thanks for your comment. As the operator, you still decide how you want things to be, too much light, make an adjustment, too little, do the same. Don’t want to be bothered with making changes, put the camera in Auto. In “C” you can toggle Auto ISO on/off by the I menu and via a Custom control mode, you set up or go into the Menu to toggle Auto on/off. That is my understanding from what I’ve seen in the manual. You have the Zf, you can check to confirm. Zf owners, let us know if you are experiencing the things @cr0g posted and any solutions you have. Thanks.
From the videos and comments I've seen, people have been talking about how they think it should work and what a bad decision it was for Nikon to not make ti work they way they prefer. None have mentioned how the Manual or Reference Guide, explains how it should work.
Hey Tim, thanks for stopping by and commenting. Most of us agree on this. There is someone that posted a few videos saying it was a flaw in the camera, he has been deleting posts of those that provide information to the contrary, on his channel. As comments section goes, there are some that do not have the camera and are agreeing it is a flaw. This video is to provide the information to those that are on the fence or who might not have seen the reference guide on how the camera is designed to work.
One thing I like to do is to map the video record button to ISO, so when I do that I can hold it in and roll the front CMD dial to turn auto ISO on/off quickly. Thank you for a great video
That’s a good tip. Thanks for watching and sharing!
I just got my ZF on Friday and this is a great way to describe how to look at ISO on this “unique” camera.
@@Jellings71 Congrats on the Zf! Thanks for watching, happy you found the info useful.
In the Nikon ZF's auto ISO mode, I set an initial maximum auto ISO limit. If the situation demands a higher ISO limit, there's no need for menu navigation to reset it; a simple turn of the dial to the desired number overrides the initial limit, adapting it to the necessary higher value. Additionally, for the convenience of enabling or disabling auto ISO, I've included the on/off switch in "my menu," ensuring easy and rapid access for control.
Thanks for sharing! It’s what I would do on the Df, now we have the my menu and I menu to add frequently used functions. Great info!
First thing I did when i got my Zf.
Also, when you choose an ISO on the dial which is below your upper limit, this becomes the lowest available ISO using auto-dial. So, let's say you have set the mahimum ISO to 6400 and with 100 iso you get aperture of 2.8. If you set the dial to ISO 400 then this will become the lower availabile ISO (and in my example the aperture will go to 5.6).
In my opinion the implementation is really great and never really need to deactivate auto-ISO (btw I have a Z Fc and I am waiting for a grey ZF :)).
@@stavros.fourfourianakis I looked at the Zfc Reference Guide, it seems this camera’s dials operates differently than the Zf. There isn’t a “C” Control position on the Zfc and it looks like the dial settings works differently on both cameras. Their respective guides contain different information about their operation.
Anyone has both and can check to see if they are similar or different? Please post your findings.
@@waynerm002 Other than the C they behave similar.
Thank you so much for better explaining this than some other RUclips videos. I receive mine today and I am excited about this camera.
You are welcome. Congrats on the Zf! Did you get one of the optional colors?
@@waynerm002 I went with the black so I could get it bundled with the 40SE. Happy with is so far but missing the days where you got the full manual in the box...guess I am getting old :)
@@chrismiller4863 LOL! Yeah, although I don't mind not having the manual anymore as I can get the reference guide and download to my device and use it in a pinch on the road. After playing with the Zf, I got the Voigtlander 40 f1.2 to use on the Brown Zf, I don't have and may not get if the Z6 III comes out with all the stuff I want on it. 😅😅
Set camera to M mode and auto ISO. In this setup, exposure compensation dial only affects ISO.
Yep, I'm aware. For me though, when I'm using Manual mode, it's all manual, especially on that kind of camera. Loved doing that on the Df. My Z8 lives at ISO 64 for as much as I can use that setting, then I'll bump to 800 and may go up to 2500 at night, if I need to. Those works fine for video as well.
Your comments are spot on!! some folks drive Toyota or Honda, then get into a Porsche and don't know how to fully operate that car. Then they read the manual and within just a few rides they love ALL about the Porsche and live happy ever after READ!! YOUR MANUALS BOYS AND GIRLS, READ YOUR MANUALS Peace
The best explanation I've seen on how Auto-ISO works in this camera. Thank you.
You’re welcome.
The Df was sooo good yet so heavy ... I use A mode and auto ISO works perfectly (setting dial on C, using min ISO to 100 and max 6400, mostly street photography). For some reason it works fine with A or M but not on S mode ...
The Df is a nice camera, it felt good in the hands for me.
Auto ISO is actually an ISO safety setting.
Once you think mirrorless Df instead of a Fujifilm by Nikon you don’t have a problem - for photography.
If I miss something on the Zf it is a back AF button, a joystick and a second Cf button.
Thanks for watching and commenting. For those of us that had the Df, we understand the Zf, to an extent. It would have been great if they hadn't stripped out some of the features that would have made it a true fusion camera like the Df. Who knows, maybe they will come out with another version based off the Z8/9, with a proper grip and improved performance. Df was @$2700 if I recall, with D4 sensor and features, Zf is based of the Z6 II with some features stripped out.
My settings when testing equipment is 1/3 step for Shutter Speed, C for ISO, 0 for Exposure Compensation and then I might change that to C. But the most important test besides making sure your memory card is formatted and your battery is fully charged (Dummy Battery with a PD External is Best), is to MAKE SURE YOU REMOVE THE FRONT LENS CAP BEFORE SHOOTING. Great Video! Cheers!
You know how it is, we at times want something to operate differently that what we get.This "flaw" is not a flaw in the product but, how some would like it to work. Still on the fence about getting one.
Do you find Nikon's implementation of the dial annoying? Has the information in the reference guide been helpful?
It would be nice to have the option to have the Dial setting override in the Classical sense. Maybe a Retro Dial mode. C is Default ISO Auto, moving out of C is ISO manual. Firmware update baby!! edit: im so old school I keep forgetting this thing is touch screen hahaha
LOL! This camera was designed to be used be legacy film shooters, digital shooters and folks that are moving from (I believe) the camera phone but, who want to have the option to learn and grow with the camera.
Someone posted some info in how the Zfc works, seems that camera allows more use of the dials.
Thank you for being logical!
A simple Auto ISO Funktion that needs such a long description, is misdesigned and not intuitive to use.
Manufacturers explain how a function works in their manual/reference guide, this way users can follow the instruction provided. Each company does their own thing as well as use their own terminology. That doesn't make a function a flaw in the designed.
Some like to figure things out on their own or are used to another product's way of doing things. The expectations for another company's product to work similar to another sounds good but, as we know, company these days don't want to run afoul of being accused of patent infringement. Makes sense they don't follow another manufacturers method.
cheers Wayne, excellent explanation!
Thanks!
Thanks! Well done
Maybe they can add a feature in firmware so that ISO behavior can be changed in order to ensure the dials take control.
It could be a possibility but, I think most wouldn't want that as the dial omits some ISO numbers, these can only be gained via the menu or you would have to use the Exposure Compensation dial to increase or decrease the exposure to match the missing exposure. That is adding another step to the process.
Nice explanation! Thanks for doing the sleuthing.
Had to look as I've started to see comments and videos about this and I'm certain this wasn't as issue. Some people think their way is correct instead of what's in the Reference Guide.
I don't have a zf but i think i can explain why Nikon made the is this way. I've watched 2 other videos about the y'all in the zf and this situation. I mainly shoot in manual mode. I occasionally shoot in aperture priority mode but it's rare. I want to be in control of my settings. But there are times when the light or the background colors change rapidly and faster than i can change ISO. Now i can press the ISO button and just leave it on ISO and change it up and down the way i would use the shutter button to shave my expedite with the shutter speed. But if the light conditions are changing very quickly, i can't keep up. When that happens i use auto ISO but in manual mode. That way i stay in control of the aperture and the shutter speed. I think this is why you can't change the ISO by turning the knob to C. You're still in auto ISO mode even though you can change the shutter speed and aperture with the knobs. If you want to get out of auto ISO, you will have to reverse what you did when you put it in that mode. You'll have to go back into the settings and change it. I think you can put it on the "i" menu or set the front function button for that. The zf is a different camera than the other z cameras. It's made with a specific purpose in mind. In the film days the ISO was in the film itself. There was an ISO setting but that was for the light meter to calculate exposure. You basically told the camera what outdo film you were using and it would tell you what the exposure was when you changed the study speed and aperture. I would prefer a switch on the body to change from auto ISO to manual ISO but maybe there wasn't enough room for that. But 8 think it was smart that Nikon has it set this way. If i want to manually control the shutter speed and aperture i have to turn the knob to the C. Maybe i want to keep the auto ISO turned on. This is the only way that would work.
Yeah, I also think they did it for those that want to shoot manual and use the dials as in the old days. The PSAM controls are for those that got in later and into digital as we have been used to that. For the newer generation, they added an Auto setting with AI tech to perform like your iPhone. Something for everyone.
@@waynerm002 with any tool, you have to learn how to use it. The more you know about the tool and how to use it, the more effective you'll be with it.
Good explanation Bro💖
Some people thinking about the camera may see those videos and believe the camera has a flaw. So many people take what some RUclipsrs say as fact and never investigate on their own. These folks in turn regurgitate these stories to others and it snowballs.I aim to provide fact based information and provide data from the source (manual, guides, articles, etc.), so people can see the truth. Thanks for watching.
Nice video. Thank you.
You are welcome. I hope it is helpful to those that are interested in this camera.
It really is, thank you. I came to your channel from Pete’s recommendation when he has been discussing his Zf.
@@nespressoman Thank you Pete for sharing the video.
I think they've really messed up the logic here. When in auto-iso and manual mode, the dial can be used to set the auto-iso limit - perfect! But it doesnt work the same way in A and S modes as it will prioritise using iso for more light before changing the 3rd exposure value, so in any but the brightest environment it just maxes out to the value you set on the dial (making it pointless). This is the problem in my opinion (along with the fact that you cant turn auto iso off when the dial isnt in c mode)
Thanks for your comment. As the operator, you still decide how you want things to be, too much light, make an adjustment, too little, do the same. Don’t want to be bothered with making changes, put the camera in Auto. In “C” you can toggle Auto ISO on/off by the I menu and via a Custom control mode, you set up or go into the Menu to toggle Auto on/off. That is my understanding from what I’ve seen in the manual. You have the Zf, you can check to confirm.
Zf owners, let us know if you are experiencing the things @cr0g posted and any solutions you have. Thanks.
@crOg you’re correct. The fact that Nikon doesn’t allow to quickly turn on/off auto iso unless your in c mode is super annoying.
To much belly aching 😢
From the videos and comments I've seen, people have been talking about how they think it should work and what a bad decision it was for Nikon to not make ti work they way they prefer. None have mentioned how the Manual or Reference Guide, explains how it should work.
ZF works the same as ZFC. Working as designed
Yes it is.
This is a non issue.
Hey Tim, thanks for stopping by and commenting. Most of us agree on this. There is someone that posted a few videos saying it was a flaw in the camera, he has been deleting posts of those that provide information to the contrary, on his channel. As comments section goes, there are some that do not have the camera and are agreeing it is a flaw. This video is to provide the information to those that are on the fence or who might not have seen the reference guide on how the camera is designed to work.