New Operatic Symphonic Metal ft. Arjen Lucassen! Dianne Van Giersbergen has my literal heart.
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- I don't release an extra off-day analysis on this channel very often - and when I do, it's because the artist hits me in such a way that I want to share it with all of you as immediately as those emotions have tapped me. I can't wait. Dianne is a truly operatic singer surrounded by the melodic symphony of metal, and this journey is something I don't think can wait. Enjoy!
Join professional opera singer Elizabeth Zharoff, as she listens to Dianne Van Giersbergen featuring Arjen Lucassen performing "A Symphonic Tragedy" for the first time.
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Performed by Dianne Van Giersbergen, Arjen Lucassen (Ayreon), Ferry Duijsens (Ayreon, VUUR, Dear Mother), Kristoffer Gildenlow (Pain of Salvation), Sander Zoer (Delain, LEAH)
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Elizabeth Zharoff is an international opera singer and voice coach, with 3 degrees in voice, opera, and music production. She's performed in 18 languages throughout major venues in Europe, America, and Asia. Currently based somewhere between Los Angeles and Tucson, Arizona, Elizabeth spends her days researching voice, singing, teaching, writing music, and recording TONS. She also plays Diablo and Dungeons & Dragons.
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We need a Dianne Van Giersbergen x The Charismatic Voice Collab 👀😉
Noted ;)
indeed!
I absolutely agree. Just look at how beautiful the Miracle of Sound collaboration went.
Maybe a Nic Nocturnal colab with Dianne and Elizabeth.
I think in order to get collabs you have put a camera down someone's throat 😂
Imagine : Dianne, Arjen Lucassen and Elizabeth building a Power Metal Song together 🧠💥
I can see it
I guess we'll have to make do with Luca Turilli's Rhapsody... Love the three final albums.
i´m missing Marcela on the list
YEP !!!!!!!!!❤
Well, we’ve had two of three there, with Dianne touring with Ayreon previously.
Dianne is a world-class talent!! So glad you get to highlight her and Arjen Luccassen with this reaction! Get Dianne on your Tea Time series! She is wonderful.
I'm amazed Dianne was in the chat for the premiere, and she replied to me! 🙂🤘 She was great in Xandria too.
Hey of course! I would be no-where without people loving my music, so of course I'm here to join the party. Thank you for being here too!
@@DiannevanGiersbergen Familie van? is de eerste vraag die in me opkomt - nope, wiki says no 🙂
yes, she is a very kind person
And her awesome main band Ex Libris
@@VictorPM1550niet direct familie, ongetwijfeld van ver weg. Dianne is een geweldige zangeres. Eerst als zangers bij Xandria ( 30 miljoen views op YT!!), daarna bij Ex Libris ( nog steeds ) maar gaat nu voor de solotour. Ik vind haar geweldig, vooral in de onbekende stukken zoals Ann ( over Ann Boleyn). Leuk om haar te volgen.
I gotta say too. Dianne Van Giersbergen, Laura Macri and Marcela Bovio has some of the best pure Opera techniques in symphonic metal. Marcela Bovio has a song called Stars which is all classical style
Yes, that's a beautiful song if her!!!
Marcela does classical singing too? I HAVE to hear that!
Symphonic metal at it's very best! Dianne is the real deal. Thanx for this reaction @thecharismaticvoice!
I would love for Elizabeth to deep dive the late 90's era gothic symphonic metal. I'm talking old school Tristania, Sirenia, Theater of Tragedy, Penumbra, etc. Many of those bands are still around but have a much different sound than they used to.
Full circle for me. I knew nothing of European metal and prog bands. A chance viewing of TCV changed my world with Nightwish and Floor. This led to another favourite, Aryeon, and watching the Electric Castle Live BluRay introduced me to Dianne who has become another of my faves.
Dianne is wonderful. Fantastic artist, fantastic person, and a very talented jewelry maker on top of all that!
The Dianne's voice is like a touch of velvet, for the ears. Gentle and powerful at the same time. 🤩
Awe thank you! 🥰
Elizabeth it's been so much fun watching you listen to more and more styles of metal music over these last few years. Watching your appreciation for metal grow, symphonic and operatic metal in particular, is almost like looking through a lens into my own exploration of metal as a teenager. I can see it in your body language and your facial expressions when the music starts to give you that power inside, that "YES 💪 *fistpump*" feeling. Makes it harder for you to sit still, your eyebrows raise and you get a huge grin on your face from the anticipation of whats coming up next in the song. And I really love it because that's exactly what it does to me and im sure its the same for many other metalheads. And with your vast knowledge of music, you show me so many other reasons to appreciate the music that I already love, making me love it even more. So thank you E, for all of your hard work, and for everything that you do 🤘❤️🎤
My God! It's a double pleasure to listen to the singing of Queen DIANNE and the explanations of the wonderful ELIZABETH!!!
I saw Dianne sing live with Xandria few years ago here in Buenos Aires, Argentina.... let me with my jaw dropped on the floor. So amazing singer... solid, great performer... love her so much...
You must hear with Ex Libris too.
I've loved Dianne's work for years, and I'm so excited to see her on your channel! And your HAIR is on FIRE, girl!!!
I was wondering when Elizabeth was going to do an analysis of a Dianne Van Giersbergen's song, since I have seen Elizabeth give Dianne such praise in the comments section of Dianne's RUclips performances.
Yeah, it was interesting the 3rd song I listened too had a comment from her pinned at the top
Beauty,You,Dianne,Will and Peter Jackson !! ❤️
I wish she would analyze "From Birth to Bloodshed" by Ex Libris, but I concede this song is more Elizabeth's speed.
I fell in love with Dianne the day Xandria’s video for “Nightfall” came out. Her singing and charisma (with occasional.. reminiscent of Ozzy Osbourne style expressions in her eyes) blew me away - and I got to enjoy her amazing singing live too on that tour
It’s been a long journey but I feel like the songs she is putting out right now are really showing off her amazing symphonic metal singing and musicianship again - she is up there with Tarja for me in this genre as my fave operatic goddesses ❤
Thank you!!
I love how excited you get about the music you love. ❤️ So enjoy watching your channel. Thank you for sharing your passion.
I tend to be picky about this genre of music. I enjoyed this performance. Thanks to Dianne Van Giersbergen for being in the chat during the premiere.
The smallest act of kindness can have a huge positive impact.
If you love Dianne, you need to check out her main band Ex Libris. Ann is a wonderful trilogy
You also need to chec out her time with Xandria (and their other singers as well). They just released a new song Universal not long after their last album
Also check Visions Of Atlantis (various singers, but particularly Clementine)
Yes ex libris is really good band
Thank you for introducing me to Dianne GREAT😍
Her new solo album is unfolding so beautifully❤
Thank you Ryan ❤
Elizabeth! I've watched your channel for a couple of years now and absolutely adore your warmth, and endearing energy. Also having a huge passion for mental health, it's always lovely seeing you talk about that! However for whatever reason I'd never seen you actually perform before, until just now. And WHAT THE HELL, you're incredible! It was your Martern aller arten performance, which I'm sure you've garnered loads of praise from. My first thought was... I love her even more now!!
Elizabeth is the Real Deal :) She's a spectacular singer in her own right.
"After the Storm" and "Unleash the Siren" Should be next. Only then the true power of Dianne will be showcased. Great reaction, Elizabeth!
Elizabeth! You really really need to give The Gathering (fronted by Anneke Van Giersbergen) a good listen: Travel, In Motion, On Most Surfaces, Leaves, The Earth is My Witness to name a few tracks. She inspired Floor Jensen to be a frontwoman in metal. She has one of the most amazing and unique voices in European metal. Cannot recommend enough. Her voice when she was younger was unmatched and she seems to only get better with age. She recently did a show with Marko Hietala!
Yep ❤️
Valley Of The Queen - Marcela Bovio, Floor and Anneke
Yay. Dianne! She's great. Loved her work with Xandria, and it's great to see Arjen has got her on board.
Holy moly! Dianne Van Giersbergen plus extra Elizabeth? What did I do to deserve this? I'll do it again.
I'm a old school metalhead. That being said, my first love was classical and opera. I love seeing the metal analysis but this just feeds my soul. Thank you.
YES!!! Thank you Elizabeth! I've been waiting for a long time for Dianne Van Giersbergen to appear on your channel. I remember that the first song when I heard Dianne's voice was Xandria - Nightfall, it was love at first hearing. I love Metal, there are so many subgenres and bands to discover and Synphonic Metal is my favorite subgenre, there is something powerful and epic in it, yet delicate, beautiful and magical.
So happy to see Dianne getting some well deserved recognition !
Exactly my thougts! Have seen Xandria with Dianne as singer about 10 years back, and was blown away at this time. And today... even better, and receiving the accolade by Arjen Lucassen plus Elisabeth
I love this, more like this please… also appreciate your enthusiasm and wonderful analysis! You have introduced so much great music and many wonderful voices
Dianne is without a doubt one of the best symphonic metal singers. Xandria was on track to become as big as Epica or Nightwish, but they nearly ended after they messed things up with her, and every single aspect of her performances are next level incredible and proffesional both in her sound, stage prescence and facial expresions (best in the genre in my opinion) without ever overdoing things. I still hope she becomes as big as she should be, up there with the big names of the scene
Thank you so very much!! 🥰🥰🥰
I can believe that my dream happened. I always wanted someone who understand opera to react to dianne's music. She deserves so much more recognition. You both are amazing ❤ please make a react to her album with ex libris ANN. IT'S simply a MASTERPIECE.
Thank you so much Marcelita for speaking so highly of me ánd of "ANN", I too think that the "ANN" album is one of my best vocal releases to date!
@@DiannevanGiersbergen 😍
Can’t believe I am late to this!!
Typing this before I even see it because I know it’s going to be superb!
Arjen Lucassen is the Willy Wonka of Ear Candy. He continues to work with so many strong singers and Dianne is one of the best. I am looking forward to much more of her solo work. The Netherlands is truly a melting pot of wonderful musicians and composers right now.
Willy Wonka?? Hmm, i can relate to that. He is the mastermind , and he has no problems finding artists, every time he hints of something new,,the line up and wants to join. There's nobody saying no to him.
Ah no doubt worth the wait, many thanks John
I loved this. I know people hear and interpret music differently. As I was listening to this, I was continuously drawn back to the feeling that I heard pieces of the music somewhere else. It took me about 20 minutes into your analysis before it finally hit me. I was making a mental connection with the Nightwish song Shoemaker. I don’t know if anybody else heard that too, but it had a residence with me and I loved it.
She is a beautiful singer.
Dianne is such a great singer. She deserves much more recognition. Her contributions in Ex-Libris and Xandria are impressive. Fun fact: Floor Jansen was part of the jury in her master's dissertation.
That's not 100% true though, she was meant to be there but could not make it in the end :)
@@DiannevanGiersbergen I am updating my knowledge base now. Thanks for the clarification. Cheers.
Had the fortune to see Dianne with Xandria back in the day here in Vegas in a small club with about 50 of us
I remember that! Def a good night!
Such an amazing song. The beauty of this song also reminds me of a EPICA song feat. APOCALYPTICA. They were on tour last year and had some great collabs.
I am in tears for the joy.
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"Unleash The Siren" 🐙
/o wait, that was the previous single 😏
Great song, just listened to it based on your comment
Metal and Opera fit perfect together.
For some reason, this reminded me of A Gentle Storm w/ Anneke Van Giersbergen. A one-off project band put together by Arjen Lucassen like 9 years ago or something. The album The Diary is one of my all-time faves, just great compositions. The Heart of Amsterdam is a great song and lead single off of the album and just a lot of fun to listen to. I humbly suggest if you can to at least give it a listen to on your own time. Something tells me you won't be disappointed.🙂🤘
Funny you mentioned a gentle storm, about half an hour ago I just watched a live performance of the song, with both Anneke and Dianne, and now i'm watching Ellisabets reaçtion to Anneke. Since i don't believe in coincidence, it must be something else, what, i don't know, but keep it coming 😂
Hands down, Dianne is one of if not my favorite vocalist. Please take a dive into one of her pieces from her time with Xandria.
I remember Dianna’s work with Xandria, and was shocked when she quit them. I will say that the new Xandria with Ambre Vourvahis is excellent, and hopefully has learned from their past mistakes in how they treat their front women.
for more Ayreon I'd love to hear your take on "And the Druids Turn to Stone" sung by Damian Wilson. His voice is incredible.
This is the future of opera.If you want to attract the younger generations.
I love the color of her voice andalways thought that the music of Xandria somehow isn't doing her voice justice. This song does, love it!
I wonder if you realize that many people are musically ignorant, but instinctively enjoy music? The beauty of what you do ( here on-line ) is to educate the ignorant. This enriches their appreciation for music. Knowing the mechanics of music / singing etc.brings listening to a new higher level of enjoyment.
that blue dress, omg sublime 🥳
Get her on for a teatime chat. That would be fascinating. And I'm sure very educational for a lot of us.
I sooo dig your enthusiasm, Elizabeth! Gets straight to my guts. Keep it up!
Loved your analysis of the song Elizabeth.
I always look forward to your reactions to symphonic metal; it's been my favorite genre since I discovered it a few years ago. I can't name another style that's so consistently moving.
Yes! Thats two singers on my 'list' of rock/metal singers Elizabeth needs to hear that she has reacted to recently...Miljenko Matijevic, and now Dianne van Giersbergen 🙂
Now still waiting on reactions to Daniel Gildenlöw (Pain of Salvation), Jorn Lande, Matt Smith (Theocracy), Daniel Heiman (Lost Horizon, Sacred Outcry)
Dianne ♥️ and you will love Sara Squadrani also.. Ancient Bards singer, she sang in Ayreon.. Theory of Everything
If I hear a song/artist for the first time I want to enjoy the music as well, get the feeling of a song. Your enthousiastic and I get that, especially with a voice like this.
But apart from your analysis, let me enjoy and get acquiainted with new music.
with respect to ALL genres of vocal performance........I believe classical and operatic pieces withstand time and are so, so emotionally impactful..............this is my 1st exposure to Dianne and am blown away.......given your musical background, Elizabeth, I hope you mix in more videos like this with your recent infatuation with metal and classic rock......
Aaaw thank you so much! I do hope you will also love my other solo songs: ruclips.net/p/PLAQs4_k2xHdhgaN-ynru9Wxessymw_99N
Where on earth can I get Dianne on Vinyl or CD, bloody amazing
My first reply seems to be missing, maybe because I put a shop link on it. So I will try again.
Digital only no physical release of Dianne until the album is finished. At a song every few months (this is song 3) this might take a while. But cd/vinyl is available for her band Ex Libris.
She has a prog metal band ExLibris and they have 3 albums out. And also the 2 Xandria albums she was on: Sacrificium and A Theatre of Dimensions.
I must admit i have never heard of Dianne i absolutely loved this.
WOW thank you for the introduction to this artist and genre. Your passion has truly shown through this video. Really enjoyed it 🤘
So my dear Elizabeth, when can we expect your cover of this song :D
So is overly reminiscent of older Nightwish style with Tarja.
"Angles Fall First" style songs or "Know why the Nightingale Sings"
Dianne is so good here. i love her band, Ex Libris, and especially the "Ann" trilogy. she was awesome in Xandria too.
i'd love to see you do a reaction to the new Seven Spires song, Architect of Creation. i think you'd love Adrienne's voice.
or, as i know you're a big DnD nerd, the band Fellowship, and especially their song "Until the Fire Dies".
The correct way to write her name is Dianne van Giersbergen. The surname prefix 'van' is not capitalized in Dutch names, unless the surname is written without the first name. :)
So good! Only thing missing was a big Floor-type note at the end. It felt like she had room to go just a little higher, and if she had, it would have brought home the glory. But, otherwise, it was spectacular. Loved seeing Elizabeth so happy, too. It was like when you bring an old friend to hang out with your new friends and you want everyone to love them as much as you do. Ha.
This should be good 👍 👌
Dianne has been on my radar since I think 2011 when I heard the Medea demo by Ex Libris. Absolutely stellar! Was kind of disappointed when the CD dropped because all the life had been produced out of it.
Then Dianne joined Xandria, pretty much blowing up Ex Libris. I got to listen to her live with Xandria in Tilburg. Most excellent! At the entrance there was a sign saying the show was being recorded for a live DVD. Guess what? That live DVD never happened. Then Xandria fired Dianne for the temerity of asking for more rest between concerts, repeating their pattern of abuse towards Lisa and Manuela. Manuela Kraller was one of the prettiest dramatic voices I have ever heard and I really miss her.
Dianne has managed to restart her career, partially thanks to Arjen Lucassen who is the most excellent judge of talent.
I have been subscribed since since your GLS reaction, but this might be my favourite reaction yet!
My favourite opera singer of all time is Gwyneth Jones singing Brunnhilde.
The part that you Elizabeth likes most, where Dianne sings the words symphonic tragedy with layered tracks, the chord progression there, I believe, is exactly the same as in “for the love of the princess” (Braveheart) by James Horner in the build up to the crescendo
Wow this was awesome, and great analysis Elizabeth. I know you’ve checked out Fleshgod Apocalypse already with The Fool (an amazing track), but that doesn’t really showcase their soprano vocalist Veronica. Their song Epilogue is the perfect blend of metal, symphony, and opera that you’re looking for!
Thank you for doing this one, Elizabeth. I love watching you nerd out on things operatic. I think Blackbriar also filmed her previous music video. Speaking of Blackbriar, I'd love to see you react to their latest single, "Moonflower" with Marjana Semkina.
Love her Sister anneke. Beautiful voice too.
Sorry to disappoint, but Anneke and Dianne are not related. Both are from the Netherlands though.
So glad to see you doing a reaction to Dianne. She's probably one of my favorite vocalists and I saw her live with Xandria a time or two and she is just the best showman I think I've seen.
Teatime with Dianne? She'd be an amazing guest for sure. Very outgoing & funny (check "Are We Better Friends Yet?" with Marcela Bovio). Cheers!
Just the right amount of vibrato 😊
I'm deadly serious when I write this. I am not joking.
This music should be preserved in UNESCO for future generations as a cultural heritage of humanity! ❤
What a wonderful duet it would be if Dianne sang together with Tarja Turunen ❤
Again another Dutch gem. I’m wondering if the group symphonic metal group Within Temptation with Sharon den Adel is partially the cause of the inspiration for Dutch ladies to go combine beautiful singing with metal. The reason is that within Temptation was really big in the Netherlands since 1996, about the time when people like Floor, Sharon Simone, and Dianne were in their late teens. Also a bit older Anneke van Giersbergen was a Dutch trendsetter for the symphonic metal with a female front woman. I’ve seen all of these women perform with Arjan Lucassen on his projects.
Impressive, that you have seen them all.
Xandria really did drop the ball in letting her get away.
Aaaand that is the singer Xandria couldn't keep for more than one album! 🤦♂🤦♂
Another Symphonic Metal band that is really worth a look is Illumishade. They came out with an excellent album called Anothe Side of You this year, a little more commercial, but very good, excellent balance of heavier and lighter elements, and Fabienne Erni's vocals freer than ever. Hymn ruclips.net/video/S-63OMmTNQc/видео.htmlsi=p5pXxzLg_Nl9N0O5
Correction: Diane did Sacrificium, Fire & Ashes (EP) and Theater of Dimensions with Xandria. Hmmm, Sacrificium, coincidence or do I detect another Cecilia Bartoli fan? 🧐🧐 😁
Hey! Xandria and I made 2 albums and one EP together, so if you've only heard one you might have some catching up to do 😘. But hey, don't forget to check out my solo music as well! Many thanks in advance 🤗
@@DiannevanGiersbergen Oops, by bad. But I have checked out your solo music, just got distracted with new shiny things, I'm like a magpie with music 😉😉🤩
Best come back answer ever! 😄
@@DiannevanGiersbergen 👌👌
Wow... what an introduction to an entire genre of music! Just what I needed, and (shameless plug coming) being a Spotify client... a few clicks and a whole new musical world has opened!
yeah same with me, not sure if I heard this type of music before and it has already lead me to a few other songs by the artist
I saw her when she was with Xandria and she was outstanding. Just mind-blowing. (Xandria needs to figure out how to keep a singer.)
The CharasmaticVoice...'Of course Elizabeth is going to love this'...lol. Actually, so do I. ❤
Diannes music is wonderful!
Thank you so very much!
would love to see Dianne's other two songs on your channel
Hahaha so would I of course 😊
I first came to know her after she became the lead vocalist of Xandria. Unfortunately, she didn't stay long but left a distinctive mark.
I've n never been a fan of opera or symphony orchestra music but Elizabeth and Dianne have given me a new appreciation and enjoyment of it in small doses.. as for symphonies, groups like Manheim steamroller and trans Siberian orchestra and yngwie malmsteen playing with Japanese philharmonic orchestra have given me new enjoyment of that.
I love the trans Siberian orchestra, id love to see there Christmas show
Scott, check out Manheim steamroller, if you like tso, you'll like them as well I think.
@mikedicarlo9304 thanks for the suggestion
Dianne has such an amazing voice - shes Metal as Fuck \m/
hahahaha thanks!
Now that you reacted to Dianne, you have no excuses but to listen to a very good friend of Dianne (they also share a bubbly podcast together): Marcela Bovio.
Hi, Elizabeth ❤ I'm searching through your channel and I realized you haven't reviewed the best opera metal band THERION. I'm looking forward to watch your video on one of their iconic songs, maybe To Mega Therion or The Rise of Sodom and Gomorrah, although I love so many of their songs, Invincible is definitely one of the best, but I think you'll like a lot of their music. I'd love you to at least check their albums Vovin, Deggial, and Secret of the Runes and you'll get so inspired. I saw you did many symphonic/opera metal reviews, but Therion just rule this genre. Bon apetite ❤😅
I love your work so much ❤
I'm only a little bit late to the party.. I love this genre. I love big, epic sounds and layers (I'm more of a music production nerd than a vocalist) and I want to see more. Edit: I kept pausing and going back with this video because I wanted to take it all in!
Then you might be interested to know that I'm working with symphonic metal extraordinaire producer Joost van den Broek!
Is Dianne Van Giersbergen ,Anneke van Giersbergen sister?
No
Elizabeth, i think you know very well how to sing this song😋👏
Dianne and Simone Simons are my fav female voices in metal. ❤🔥
Diane is one of the best female singers since xandria and them ex libris
@TheCharismaticVoice...I would love to see a collaboration with her and Will Ramos. Such a contrast of beauty and power that would be. Just my opinion. Beauty and the Beast in so many ways.
Oh, you are getting closer to Marcela Bovio. Can't wait for that to finally happen
My god I love this
I saw her with Xandria, and i was in 5:32 love of her voice giving a new face of their songs.
You could try their version of Meat's Loaf - I'd do anything for Love, i love very much, and for that matter the entire record!!!