THE ULTRAMARINES : THE OBJECTIVELY BEST MARINES | Beginner to Expert Podcast
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- Today on the Beginner to Expert Podcast the Lorecrimes team discuss the deeds of The Ultramarines!
With Andy (@TheRemembrancer) explaining the basics and Colin (@pancreasnowork9939) explaining the in-depth of the topic; we discover the history, customs and deeds of the 13th Legion.
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EDITED BY: Colin (@pancreasnowork9939)
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Today, we shall discuss the Greatest of Them All - The Ultramarines!
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I CATO SICARIUS PROCLAIM THAT THIS VIDEO WILL BE UP TO THE GREATNESS OF I CATO SICARIUS SWORDSMAN SKILLS!
You better be off of master Calgars throne
Are you the greatest of all the UltraMarines Cato Sicarius ?
You better reform yourself while working with Gullimen
As of right now, Lord Cato, you are best Ultramarine. Why?
Because you fisted a Tau. Good show, sir.
Calgary in the distance I CASTT FIST
#theoreticalpractical
Theoretical: "I just like 40k lore and i'm going to buy a few models to paint but not go overboard"
Practical: "I am in financial debt and the grey horde of models continue to expand"
#theoreticalpractical
THEORETICAL: The Leagues of Votann are an interesting group with great lore
PRACTICAL: *Screams Rock and Stone every 5 milliseconds*
*points at Ork Wagh*
“Mushroom!”
so called "free thinkers" when they hear someone shout: rock & stone!
See that Golden Throne lads? We’re gonna dump it in Molly.
#theoreticalpractical
THEORETICAL: The Imperial Guard is a diverse force with regiments across the galaxy adapted to their unique environment.
PRACTICAL: Cadian.
best i can do is kriege
The Silver Skulls are "Ultramarines", but are heavily implied to actually be Iron Warriors. Specifically founded by the survivors of Dantioch's men (their logo is literally meant to be Dantioch's skull mask)
That fact alone made me like the Ultras more. Most legions would never play host to a cadre of loyalist Iron Warriors, but the Skulls are good bois.
Wait, Iron skulls are a real chapter and not mis-identified, Necrons?
😊
@@Baandaed yes. They are indeed a real chapter. The inquisition loves to use them for necron related coverups though
#theoreticalpractical
Theoretical: "Wow, with so many diverse factions, there must be such interesting narratives and conflicts. I would love to see how these play out"
Practical: "Day in the life of a true GW Author - Wake up and meet the wife Big E. My Little Ultramarines, isn't she beau'iful? Time ta take Abaddon to Cadia. Revv up da Greyknights, wheyy! Quick stop at the Eldar and kick 'em while they're down. Get an Imperial Guard book, Armageddon's lookin' lovely today lads. Just a bit a' Orks! One tyranid win makes a 38-0 loss better. Pop down local Hiveworld, Good old Chaos Cult look at that! Made another Horus Heresy novel, lovely! Pop down have a couple Primarch Books with the lads and finish up at the Fortress of Baal"
T'au and Necrons were not even mentioned
truly accurate indeed
@@SamueL-td7fb As a necrons player, the pain is real
Theoretical: the 40k universe is vast and has no “main characters”
Practical: space marines are the main characters of 40k, Ultramarines are the MCs of space marines, and Guilliman is the main character of the ultramarines
#theoreticalpractical
THEORETICAL:
Ravenguard are the sneakiest marines of them all
PRACTICAL:
Even GW forgets to release anything about them
(This joke comes from a place of pain)
#theorerticalpractical
Theoretical: Welcome, Nerevar. Together we shall speak for the Law and the Land, and shall drive the mongrel dogs of the Empire from Morrowind.
Practical: Is this how you honor the Sixth House, and the tribe unmourned?
Ok n'wah
#theoreticalpractical
THEORETICAL: “Wow, I’m excited to learn more about the genestealer cults”
PRACTICAL: “Mommy Magus 😫”
#TheoreticalPractical
Theoretical: Ultramarines are an interesting chapter because they have some of the best written characters, many interesting conflicts and comparisons with other factions, compeling flaws brought by their geneseed and their culture, finding a balance between having greco-roman inspiration in their way of being yet not its not their whole personality and thanks to many factors they have one of the best "your guys" room for making an army if you want to be really deep and intricate with it
Practical: ULTRAMARINES ARE THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO
from a meme I saw about 30k ultramarines vs 40 ones
Theoretical: We are betrayed and our Primarch cannot be reached
Practical: By shoving my boot up Lorgar's ass I will rid the enemy of their primarch and improve our morale
#theoreticalpractical
Robot Gillesuit
Robert Gorillaman
Bobby G-man
The Big G as Yvraine calls him
That Blue Prick as the Lion calls him
Men of blue and gold
Warriors brave and bold
From an arcane Ward
Came forth our renown
Walk without a shield
Into space-hell's warping fields
Daemons fear and dread
'Cuz they'll soon be dead
None can tell us why
Things won't go awry
Our enemies say its luck
We just think they suck
No losses is our game
Yet Brothers call us lame
They're just jealous 'cause
Fatherless they are!
#theoreticalpractical
Theoretical: Steel is unyielding and unforgiving.
Practical: That Necron Overlord got me acting up
courage and honor, baby!
I'll have my white bread and vanilla ice cream prepared for the occasion
On the Ultramarines name, it’s also a little bit of a nod to Roman history, intentionally or not. Blue was a rare dye to obtain at the time, thus merchants had to go over the sea, or “ultra marinus” in order to buy some.
Theoretical: Name has cool historical significance
Practical: still ultra dumb 😂😂😂
A fun thing about Guilliman. He’s very sentimental about the past and the more halcyon days of his legion. Hence why he keeps some of his sons around him that remind Roboute of those days. Guilliman himself said that he enjoys Cato Sicarius and keeps him close because Cato reminds him of Aeonid Thiel. As well as 11th company captain and newly appointed Tetrarch Felix. Felix being a primaris marine who was taken and frozen in 30k, so he remembers the Imperium as it was rather than how it is now.
I personally love the interaction of Corvus Corax and Guilleman. Corax beat Guilleman soundly in their first 3 wargames against each other, but then never won again.
Kanar to Corax: “To best one of the greatest strategos in the Imperium is no mean feat. We are blessed by your attendance.”
Corax to Kanar: “I make no such claim,” Corax replied with a lopsided smile. “From the fourth simulation on, he had my mark and I could not beat him. He learns well, my brother, and he has far greater vision than me. While I was rescuing a single world from slavery, he was already building an empire of hundreds. I won battles against him, but never a war.”
Theoretical: As a person I care a lot about people and wary of emotional hurting anyone and try to be as nice as possible.
Practical: My favourite legions are the Iron warriors and dark angels.
Guys - the 40k content community isn't that big - the chemistry, humour, and energy you guys bring to this is wonderful. Love these episodes - nothing else like it out there
I can't express enough how much I love this show guys. Thanks for all the great work
The nickname that sticks with me for the Primarch has to be “Rawbooty Gorillaman”. Makes me wheeze everytime I say it or hear it. And is probably more appropriate considering his totally not exual tension with Yvraine
Theoretical: "The variant chapters are neat and all deserve attention."
Practical: "The Emperordamned Space Wolves are the only non-standard Space Marines we ever get to hear about."
Ate Word Bearers
Ate World Eaters
Ate gods.
Luv me Guilliman.
Luv me book.
Luv me Eldar waifu.
Simple as.
For the Emperor and the IRS!
Imagine the UM have a Sanguinor-type ghost but instead of saving the chapter in their hour of need he just beats to death people for not paying their tithe
@@SamueL-td7fb “...for in the grim dark future there is only war (and taxes).”
@@SamueL-td7fb I want this to be cannon for what Ultramarines do when they join the Legion of the Damned
Thanks as usual for being the light in the darkness, guys. It's been a rough year, and finding this content has been a huge bandaid to help with the healing.
Godspeed, I hope things get better for you.
A lovely woman by the name of Fiaura The Tank Girl happened to do some collab videos with Remleiz of 40k Theories a few years back, and in those videos she did a breakdown of how a Power Fist would work based on lore and practical scientific observation. In the end, after a series of calculations based on the estimated strength of a Space Marine in power armor, the estimated force of the Power Fist itself, and the theoretical physics involved with power field technology, she came to the conclusion that the kinetic energy of using 'I CAST FIST!', which is to say giving the Marine time to wind up and throw a fully powered punch with his Power Fist, would be roughly equal to the power of the Daavy Crockett, a man-portable nuclear launcher developed by the US designed for wiping out armored columns.
That is not to say that Marneus Calgar is literally throwing nuclear haymakers, but the Power Fist is hitting hard enough that it's comparable to the blast wave of a miniature nuclear shell.
So never on your life say that a Power Fist is useless. Especially when they can have ranged weapons like flamers or bolters mounted on them.
Beating a C'tan shard is a requirement for Neophytes to become Ultramarines.
I like how the Terran Ultramarines were more brutal, like Terran Raven Guard.
Ultramarine Destroyers being vets of the Unification Wars, FTW.
Question: if most of the space marines in the galaxy is from the ultramarine's geneseed. Doesn't that make the ultramarines with the most succesors turned to chaos ?
Statistically likely but in lore a good number of big-name imperial fists successors have gone chaotic.
@@TalkerDudeMan Don't you dare call my boys Soul Drinkers Chaotic they are renegades and good guys.
@O.W.N. two words: Astral Claws
THEORETICAL: “YOU HAVE UNO!”
PRACTICAL: “YOU’VE SEEN SWORD ART ONLINE!”
Say what you want, but these guys really are the face of the marines and GW by extension: they embody not only the Roman esc themes the imperium is all about, but also have a clear cut theme to them which isn't to over the top (logistics are complex in real life tho motherfu-) and morally aren't actually the worst from both their own sub faction as well as other factions and their own armies too.
Even their primarch exemplifies this as guilliman is level headed quite a lot and actually had a good upbringing unlike almost everyone else lmao.
Also im glad that my mention of Dagoth ur was in here. I think it would be fitting if The amber king was Dagoth and Collin was Nerevar
The dagoth ur jokes were so good
Theoretical: Don’t lick the brush
Practical: Lick the brush
Can't believe the dads were fighting this episode. Please don't break up.
I think the avatar of khaine is the galaxy's punching bag because he is the eLdar god of war, also since he is the bloody handed maybe all that blood causes his sword to just slip out of his hands and then he gets beat down
Actually the Rubicon Primeros is the name of the gym that sly Marbo operates so Primeros marines are just tougher because they train with sly marbo
56:30 Hope they don't change it, Dorn and the Fists are basically undefeated through out the Great Crusade. They had one job during the Heresy, protect the Emperor; an impossible task they almost accomplished. And the sense of failure is mentally crippling, so Dorn and the Fists' instincts are to go for acts of penance to try and make up for their "failure" to protect the Emperor.
The Scouring is where we get the real character development for Dorn and the Fists, and the decision/outcome of Iron Cage feels in character for them.
Ultramarines give candy to children, not in the Salamander's way... but also not in the word bearers way
And most certainly not like the Emperor’s Children.
My thoughts exactly
Karl Franz and guilliman would make the perfect team up. Like Captain america and Superman respectively.
WE MARCH FOR MACCRAGE!
My favourite Guilleman nickname is Rowboat Guillotine.
13:23 I UNDERSTOOD THAT REFERENCE! YOU ARE NOT ALONE, BROTHER!
man, if I had not already commited to playing BloodRavens, I would absolutely back these boys in blue
Also Colin's increasing commentary as an editor is hilarious. Deep fister lore
YOOOO
THE BASEDMARINES LETS GOOOOO
The (unironically) best chapter baybeeee
Theoretical: Mac n cheese
Practical: mmmm yumby :)
I've only seen Sword art online abridged. "WE WOULD LIKE TO BUY ONE CHILD PLEASE!"
Theoretical: the avatar of khaine keeps losing to literally everything.
Practical: he needs a poop knife...
The Red corsairs stole The Macaggres Honor for a bit. They kindly gave it back after realizing that the main man Gorillaman came to take it back.
Btw will there be a Red Corsairs episode?
This is definitely the best Warhammer podcast around I look forward to it every week keep the great work fellas 👍👍👍
The section at 1:20:00 ish about colours is wrong. The chapter was called the “Ultramarine Marines” for a while before being shortened to Ultramarines later. GW used to carry an Ultramarine blue with more purple in it that would have been more reflective of the correct colour. Army Painter and P3 make equivalents of it today, and there are retro paint lines trying to ape it as well like Nostalgia88 and Coat d’Arms to varying success. GW went with less vibrant colours after 2e so their paint scheme for Ultras became more of a Cobalt blue, but the name stuck. The marines are named after the colour, they just changed the mix of the paint later.
Also, historical point, Ultramarine blue refers to needing to go over a marine journey to acquire blue. This is because voyages needed to be made in order to get a pigment, which I think was something like lapis lazuli. It was therefore a sign of wealth(playing into the regal roman stuff). The colour wasn’t necessarily consistent, because it may have been mixed later, ranging from turquoise to royal blue with purple in the mix. Ultramarine blue today has a dark purple in it but that isn’t necessarily *the* Ultramarine blue as the colour isn't standard.
Anyone else call roboute guilliman, Robert William?
Theoretical: The ultramarines are Scottish, with their primarchs name based of two popular names in Scotland and being white on blue background.
Practical: ultramarines are based of roman history and are having more roman influences added each edition.
#theoreticalpractical
theoretical: Ultra Marines are 40K’s face because they are the jack of all trades but masters of none.
practical: Ultra Marines are 40K’s face because they have classic colors with wide appeal
Sometimes i confuse the word bearers and the world eaters like once I was taking about the world eaters with a friend and I accidentally called them the word eaters and its been stuck in the back of my head ever since
the word eaters and the world bearers
Omnipod noises made me turn my head so fast, genuinely made me pause and see what was what
4:49 Fulgrim is Griffith and we know Griffith did everything wrong.
Actually we know where one of the extra Glorianas cane from. The Word Bearers had two for some reason (speculated that one belonged to one of the lost primarchs originally) and during the heresy the Ultramarines captured it and took it for themselves
For additional information if anyone is curious, this Gloriana was originally named "Chronicle of Ashes", later renames to "Lex Talonis" once the Ultramarines took it. It is currently in possession of the Nemesis Chapter, who I guess just happened to be the Ultramarine successors who were lucky enough to inherit the smurfs' spare Gloriana
That said, I have no clue where the other one came from. Of the loyalists, only the Dark Angels', Blood Angels', Space Wolves, and Iron Hands' have their Gloriana's status unknown. Then for the traitors we don't know what happened to the Night Lords', Emperors' Children's, Iron Warriors', Thousand Sons', or either of the Alpha Legions' (since both Alpharius and Omegon had their own)
Magnus really just wanted to drive the mongrel dogs of the empire out of prospero, is this how they honor the 15th legion and the tribe unmourned?
I am here humbly begging for a Lamenters video, much love boy-o's
My personal favorite nickname for Roboute Guilliman is Bobby G
Pretty sure that was Tyberios the Red Wake not Huron. Other than that Colin's edits were spot on 👍
#theoreticalpractical
THEORETICAL: Tzeentch is the chaos god of hope, knowledge and change
PRACTICAL: He's one of the main reasons most species in the galaxy have no hope, are ignorant of the past or other things and he has perpetuated the most stagnate 10 thousand years of existence
I like quite a few SM chapters but the Ultramarines are the only ones that I feel could be consistently honorable and reasonable. Others have fun quirks but I would not want to theme my army after those that ..... abandon allies in order to keep their dirty little secrets from coming out, drink blood or eat flesh of the innocent , kill the odd eldar child, or sacrifice good men in order gain glory for their own names to be written in Sagas. Again - all of these are fun to read about and have other traits that are good but the true knights and protectors of Man are the Sons of Guilliman. (Salamanders get honorable mention) =)
This is months late, but I feel the strong need to point this out: The yellow helmet used at 56:00 is a LAMENTERS art piece, not a FISTS art piece.
Even in that the poor guys get screwed over.
Welcome, Nerevar. Together we shall speak for the Law and the Land, and shall drive the mongrel dogs of the Empire from Morrowind.
The only thing bluer then a UltraBerry is a Lamenters day today
Ultramarines are 100% named after Ultramarine blue, even if the official maccrage blue paint is the tiniest shade lighter (if that).
I enjoy your podcast quite a lot guys, i listen to this on the reg on my long drives.
Toilet Bowls stomp stomp stomp
Spongerobute Guillipants and his best friend Patrickurabo
Lion El'Johnson is literally Kirito and Roboute is the female main character during season 2 (I think) of sword art online cause they both got came on.
#theoreticalpractical
Theoretical: The Emperor Protects
Practical: Sigmar Actually Does
I can't wait till they cover the Minotaurs
I wanna bring up something from the night lords omnibus so minor spoiler warning
After Kruze unalived himself and they got the assassin ALL OF THE ULTRAMARINE SUCESSOR CHAPTERS ROLLED IN AND SCATTERED THEM IN LIKE A DAY
16:18 as a Raptors fan I am insulted but I do agree that they are ALSO pretty close. BUT NOT AS CLOSE AS THE RAPTORS.
Holy fuck im so glad i found you guys.
If I recall correctly the Indomitus Founding ended the Ultramarine genetic dominance when it came to the number of space marines in the galaxy
#theoreticalpractical
Theoretical: GW could use The Old World as a segue to bring back beloved factions to AoS.
Practical: GW regularly demonstrates a big lack of common sense.
This was interesting, although very confusing. I have one book, and played a space marine apothecary (I believe he was training up for the Salamanders). Is this an online game? Sorry if I have made a mistake
3:39 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'm dying hahahahahaha
Wow…:I knew Pancreas was here….and I was like waYment, that dude sounds like the remembrancer 😂…checks notes 🤦♂️
Uriel is descended from another one, who was part of the first company during the first tyranid war so you know how his story ended
I swear the Dagoth Ur memes are the best that’s come out of AI voices with joe Rogan too
1:44:29 And when Lion does finally return, Lion and DA fans will be perpetually seething anyway. He'll be the fifth son to return to the setting (model release) and second loyalist son revived, "The First Son" will always be in name only.
Ah yes the reliable gimpsuit
Yes battleship was stolen by Huron's underling then Huron setup up a trap for over achiever and got him killed and battleship was rescued back.
The rubicon primaris is actually Sly Marbo’s fitness routine.
The Ultramarines had a lot more of the easier campaigns during the Great Crusade, but it was for a reason. The Emperor wanted the planets still in good order and ready to support the effort, so the Ultramarines worked best at these. Now granted 80% of the planets taken during the Great Crusade were extremely bloody still and far above what we can comprehend today. The other 20% were backwater worlds or wanted to join so went easy. However of that 80% that fought 25% were just at a different level and requires DAOT stuff from the Dark Angels and are just purged and destroyed. Or have the Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Iron Warriors and such stomp them down and then the planet took decades to make usable again as these Legions just brought so much death and destruction when fully unleashed. They were all capable of doing regular compliance but when the enemy is Rangdan, Khrave, Nephelim, Eldar remnants of the Empire with masses forces, Hrud and such then only these most lethal and destructive forces would do. Also the Dark Angels were #1 in numbers till the Rangdan Xenocide, where they lost 50K Astartes and then 2 legions disappeared to bolster the Ultramarines with what's left and they still only outnumbered the Dark Angels cause of that most deadly enemy in the Great Crusade.
Is Cato Sicarious just a deep cover Emperor's Children Loyalist?
Here's a theorhetical for ya:
Pancreas is unaware of pop culture.
Practical: *Bully Him*
To put it simply the jack of all trades solid overall and like Vanilla Ice cream some same bland but it’s still solid and a OG flavor that’s great be it being a Warrior or making and maintains multiple governments/intergalactic planets
#theoreticalpractical
Theoretical: Robute Guilliman
Practical: Rawbooty Girlyman
DO THE DORNIAN HERESY pls...
Okay so the Dark Angels are starting to rub off on me just finding out they almost fired on the son of their God-Emperor because they're so comedically paranoid about the fallen they can't imagine him showing up like this for any reason other than...he found out about the fallen.
They're like a bunch of paranoid meth heads that've been up for three days straight and the second they see cops in their neighborhood they spend 10 minutes arguing over whether or not to go out in a blaze of glory
they are the shadow the hedgehog marines
Big E is a human/ai from the dark age of tech. That why he has powers and is not a gawd at the same time
#theoreticalpractical
The reason why the Ultramarines always win is because they are blue, blue is the color of luck in ork culture. COINCIDENCE?!?!? I THINK NOT!
#theoreticalpractical
Theoretical: I just need to find the right combination of words and lore videos to make my wife love the 40k universe.
Practical: Being a divorced guy in his 40s who collects little men sucks balls.
The emperor forcing the Word bearers to kneel for him was him making a point about “If you wanna worship me as a god, then kneel before me. How does it feel? Not fun” along those lines