If you're intertwined with the parent like Kevin, i. e. the family legacy is putting food on Kevin's table and he decided to not let this part of his family go, either you go the way of completely denouncing your parent while living off of something affiliation with him brought you, or you by proxy have to find rationalizations and excuses for him otherwise you'd go crazy. A lot of rich fathers who have Fritz's personality have kids like this - defending him. For example the Trump family is not far from this as the kids always drum up the dad and all seem like they had some personal issues, drug issues, depressions. Ivanka seems OK on the surface, but that's because she's that occasional champion kid (like Serena and Venus Williams) who rises to the pimp father's expectations and prevail.
I googled some things and Fritz reportedly at a late stage of his life during his illness, pulled a gun on Kevin and told him: "You’d kill yourself too if you have the guts.” If this is true, then that's inexcusable. Like you can say the father didn't intentionally want to harm his kids...by pushing them towards excellence...but this...this is inexcusable, even if your mind is clouded from illness, it must represent a deep rooted narcissistic or somewhat dominant personality, that does anything it can to dominate.
Fritz came from a different generation too, not defending him but just putting things into perspective. People delt with things very, very differently then as opposed to now. After Jack died at the age of 6 I think it just killed Fritz inside and he took all of that pain and hurt out on his other sons. He had some kind of idea in his head that his sons must be X (probably in order to satisfy something in his mind) and sadly all but one of them died trying. It was a goal that none of them could've ever achieved, at least in the mind of Fritz. Such a sad and horrible story, the ONLY good thing is that Kevin is still alive and his own kids seem like they're on the right path in life.
@@cool-lemon I think you're defending abuse. If one kid died, really the father should've been more protective of the next kids. Not push his son to wrestle after he had his foot amputated. I have a similar dad. No matter what happens, he always demands some form of excellence. Even if you have a mental breakdown, and show it's too much, whenever you start showing glimpses of putting yourself together, he again starts demanding things. It's perhaps not malicious or intending to harm. But it is harmful and if you're such a kid, you HAVE to eventually create some distance between yourself and your father.
Fritz von Erich, Mitch Winehouse, Joe Jackson, the Carter family (Nick Carter and Aaron Carter as sons), James Spears. There are several prominent fathers who, when you look at their track record push their kids like crazy towards professional excellence, and the kids each struggle with it and end-up either dead or mentally scarred for life. I have a mom who is a mentally unstable, completely selfish alcoholic who I need to take care of for years. I have a father whose mentality isn't far from someone like Fritz as in he is pushing you towards some weird complete excellence that he himself does not exhibit and you basically have two choices - either eventually denounce the parent and completely let him/her go, or find excuses for him/her, because otherwise it's impossible to maintain a relationship. If you do the former and soon enough, chances are you're going to be actually balanced as a person and you might see the parent through a different lens if you look at him as someone foreign. If you do the latter, you're always going to remain partially in a mentality of a victim who is trying to please that parent and is beholden to him/her. It's living with permanent trauma and you don't even realize it even if you think you do. Kevin chose the latter, no doubt also because wrestling really is his claim to fame and money so it is making his life easier, so the practical, sensible thing to do isn't to just ditch and denounce Fritz completely. Maybe he got out of his grip too old and couldn't let it go completely. I am in a similar position with my parents. I'm kinda trying to move away from them for 6-7 years now after years of trying to remain loyal and it's a tough process as at 39, I am financially somewhat dependent on dad's inheritance, but I absolutely know leaving him would be the best thing for me. I have been able to completely ditch the victim mentality recently, only for a short while, but I was and people who don't experience this, can't really understand what it really means. And how it shapes how you view the world. Kevin should just completely ditch his father now. Make som more money out of the family name and just ditch it all, wrap it all in boxes in his house and leave it. Iron Claw is incredibly depressing and I honestly have no idea how Kevin looks at it and doesn't realize he needs to let his father go.
My first card i was in buffalo in the early 60s was fritz vs the beast in tne buffslo aud. Almost a riot ringside cops entered the ring and frirz refused to remease the claw and the beast refused to release the beat hug lol
Nothing, per Fritz himself, German. He claims to have come from English and Scottish genetics. He says there was a “small amount” of Dutch blood in family. (even that does not constitute him being anything German)
Well, yeah. It was just a gimmick. Nobody in the 1950s was going to fear the big, bad Scotsman. Just like the Koloffs weren't really from Russia and Abdullah the Butcher wasn't really from Sudan.
@@AViewFromTheMiddlelol. Next thing you will tell us is that Chief Jay Strongbow wasn't really an Indian Killer Kahn wasn't raised in The fighting pits in Mongolia and that all Asians can spit green mist on demand.
The Angles were from Germany & got paid by Rome as mercenaries to put down rebellion in Britannica. After it was over,they stayed and settled,becoming modern England.(Angles)
Kevin speaks like a true abuse victim. He always feels the need to defend his father.
It’s a shame he had to experience those things growing up.
If you're intertwined with the parent like Kevin, i. e. the family legacy is putting food on Kevin's table and he decided to not let this part of his family go, either you go the way of completely denouncing your parent while living off of something affiliation with him brought you, or you by proxy have to find rationalizations and excuses for him otherwise you'd go crazy.
A lot of rich fathers who have Fritz's personality have kids like this - defending him. For example the Trump family is not far from this as the kids always drum up the dad and all seem like they had some personal issues, drug issues, depressions. Ivanka seems OK on the surface, but that's because she's that occasional champion kid (like Serena and Venus Williams) who rises to the pimp father's expectations and prevail.
no he doesn't. he was never abused.
@@horselightninghis dad literally aimed a gun to his head,, what r ya trying to say ☠️☠️
I googled some things and Fritz reportedly at a late stage of his life during his illness, pulled a gun on Kevin and told him: "You’d kill yourself too if you have the guts.”
If this is true, then that's inexcusable. Like you can say the father didn't intentionally want to harm his kids...by pushing them towards excellence...but this...this is inexcusable, even if your mind is clouded from illness, it must represent a deep rooted narcissistic or somewhat dominant personality, that does anything it can to dominate.
It's true. I actually saw the interview where Kevin said that. So yeah, it's crazy
I recently heard Fritz's parenting unfavorably compared to Joe Jackson's. And it was sorta horrifying that it rang true.
Joe was a better dad somehow
@@infinite-sadnessMJ was beat by his father so bad he became infertile, I think Joe is significantly worse
I think this over simplifies people
That’s a REALLY bad sign considering how much of an asshole Joe Jackson was…..
Joe Jackson got all his children out of the slums of Gary…enough said!
So that’s why big daddy father fritz was a little pushy or tough on training his 5 kids
Fritz came from a different generation too, not defending him but just putting things into perspective. People delt with things very, very differently then as opposed to now. After Jack died at the age of 6 I think it just killed Fritz inside and he took all of that pain and hurt out on his other sons. He had some kind of idea in his head that his sons must be X (probably in order to satisfy something in his mind) and sadly all but one of them died trying.
It was a goal that none of them could've ever achieved, at least in the mind of Fritz. Such a sad and horrible story, the ONLY good thing is that Kevin is still alive and his own kids seem like they're on the right path in life.
@@cool-lemon I think you're defending abuse. If one kid died, really the father should've been more protective of the next kids. Not push his son to wrestle after he had his foot amputated.
I have a similar dad. No matter what happens, he always demands some form of excellence. Even if you have a mental breakdown, and show it's too much, whenever you start showing glimpses of putting yourself together, he again starts demanding things.
It's perhaps not malicious or intending to harm. But it is harmful and if you're such a kid, you HAVE to eventually create some distance between yourself and your father.
It’s peanut butter jelly time
Fritz von Erich, Mitch Winehouse, Joe Jackson, the Carter family (Nick Carter and Aaron Carter as sons), James Spears.
There are several prominent fathers who, when you look at their track record push their kids like crazy towards professional excellence, and the kids each struggle with it and end-up either dead or mentally scarred for life.
I have a mom who is a mentally unstable, completely selfish alcoholic who I need to take care of for years. I have a father whose mentality isn't far from someone like Fritz as in he is pushing you towards some weird complete excellence that he himself does not exhibit and you basically have two choices - either eventually denounce the parent and completely let him/her go, or find excuses for him/her, because otherwise it's impossible to maintain a relationship.
If you do the former and soon enough, chances are you're going to be actually balanced as a person and you might see the parent through a different lens if you look at him as someone foreign. If you do the latter, you're always going to remain partially in a mentality of a victim who is trying to please that parent and is beholden to him/her. It's living with permanent trauma and you don't even realize it even if you think you do.
Kevin chose the latter, no doubt also because wrestling really is his claim to fame and money so it is making his life easier, so the practical, sensible thing to do isn't to just ditch and denounce Fritz completely. Maybe he got out of his grip too old and couldn't let it go completely.
I am in a similar position with my parents. I'm kinda trying to move away from them for 6-7 years now after years of trying to remain loyal and it's a tough process as at 39, I am financially somewhat dependent on dad's inheritance, but I absolutely know leaving him would be the best thing for me. I have been able to completely ditch the victim mentality recently, only for a short while, but I was and people who don't experience this, can't really understand what it really means. And how it shapes how you view the world.
Kevin should just completely ditch his father now. Make som more money out of the family name and just ditch it all, wrap it all in boxes in his house and leave it. Iron Claw is incredibly depressing and I honestly have no idea how Kevin looks at it and doesn't realize he needs to let his father go.
Usually ends up putting some kind of trauma into the kid too. Lord knows Michael had some after dealing with Joe.
My first card i was in buffalo in the early 60s was fritz vs the beast in tne buffslo aud. Almost a riot ringside cops entered the ring and frirz refused to remease the claw and the beast refused to release the beat hug lol
Jeremy Allen should have played kevin
Nothing, per Fritz himself, German.
He claims to have come from English and Scottish genetics.
He says there was a
“small amount” of Dutch blood in family.
(even that does not constitute him being anything German)
Well, yeah. It was just a gimmick. Nobody in the 1950s was going to fear the big, bad Scotsman. Just like the Koloffs weren't really from Russia and Abdullah the Butcher wasn't really from Sudan.
@@AViewFromTheMiddlelol. Next thing you will tell us is that Chief Jay Strongbow wasn't really an Indian Killer Kahn wasn't raised in The fighting pits in Mongolia and that all Asians can spit green mist on demand.
Well English and dutch somehow are Germans 😂 If you know history. Dutch even means Deutsch.
The Angles were from Germany & got paid by Rome as mercenaries to put down rebellion in Britannica. After it was over,they stayed and settled,becoming modern England.(Angles)
Take everything Kev says with a grain of salt, he lies a lot
kick a man when he's down?
@@liammcooper Of course, This is America.
Not lies. It's all fairly well documented.
@@AViewFromTheMiddle LOL, Good for you. Believers still exist.
@@FrankC71 lol. So do douchebags spouting off about things they have no knowledge about.