MARIANNE FAITHFULL: Her Art, Value, and Influence - part two |
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- Pop Goes the 60s continues its Marianne Faithfull video series with part two. In this segment we'll explore her collaboration with Mick Jagger and the Rolling Stones from 1967-1970 as well as her fall into addiction, and then redemption.
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Broken English is a great album. She is a survivor. Thank you Marianne.
Her last album “Negative Capacity” is incredible and the one before that - “Give my love to London” is just as good.
Who would have thought after the Redlands bust that Marianne would be the great artist, not Jagger? She’s as tough as old boots and no fool. Love her.
Thanks for the recommendation on her last 2 albums. I've only heard parts of them them so far.
Well, I do think Jagger had his hand in some decent art after Redlands... But Marianne seems to have had more staying power.
I'd argue it was SATISFACTION that lifted the Stones above all others, not this drug bust. you deserve a youtube MVP award for doing all this research and putting it out in such a professional and logical way!
Marianne is a Goddess amongst women. "She Walks In Beauty" demonstrates another great artistic acomplishment. Bravo, Madam!
As I said in part one I loved the song she sang something better" in rocking roll circus, her voice was starting to get that husky sound comparing to when she had just met Mick jagger" so young at 18? and sang as tears go by with other songs like this little bird "what have they done to the rain "with other greats that had that folk sound to them a d her voice soft and sweet ,now 60year's later at the age of 77 she battled her demons with drugs=cancer and covid19 and came out stronger then ever,love you Marianne 😘🌈💏🙏👍💖🙏😘
A gorgeous woman with a beautiful voice how could you not sell that! Her interpretations of other people songs are amazing and she became a great songwriter after.
I'd forgotten most of her story, thanks for reminding me of this very complicated individual ...
You are a good man! Thank you for your hard work!
Always enjoy your videos. Thanks for digging in and sharing. These stories are vanishing and it's great to have someone taking some care with them.
Thank you, Michael. I'm hoping to shed some light on the careers of some of my favorites. Only trouble is, I have too many favorites!
Great look at her career.
Love her early music. In hindsight, her voice reminds me of Joan Baez. It's influence in America is probably understated; my parents had several of her albums in the '60s and even named my sister after her. As a young man, I bought _Broken English_ when it came out, and I probably like it even more now. She went from being a Mary Hopkin to an Iggy Pop, and there was nothing fake about it.
Ultimately, I don't see her as a person to be pitied ( and I really don't think she would want that)...and you did a good job walking that fine line with these videos. She made some great music, hung out with some great people, and she's still here. That says it all.
Yes, she certainly made some choices which she had to pay for and she is one of the lucky ones to not only be still alive, but still productive in her field. Thank you for the comment, Justin.
Well done.
Thank you, Carl! Much appreciated.
Nice treat! I got to the first video a bit late, the next day I’m on to Part Two. Fascinating story; so glad she made it through. Many thanks for your work on this.
Magnifico! Great job once again. I have been a fan of Ms Faithfull, and was surprised by her acting in an incredible film, Irina Palm, in which she takes control of the screen like no other. I saw her live a few years ago, and she gave her show sitting down, singing a moving jazz set of songs. She deserves so much more recognition. Oh, yes, I devoured her autobio... A must read, yes. Again thank you.
She has an interesting body of work which for some reason, doesn't get talked about much. Thank you Antonio!
You are extremely accurate on the events that messed up Marianne..she truly was a phenomenal artist..I only have a few of her early us lps..the island records are fantastic..and are Phoenix like In her return..great job again my friend
Thank you, Grover!
Great job, Matt!
Thanks for that excellent insight; A long term fan, particularly looking forward to a part 3 showcasing 20th century blues & beyond.
Thanks for the great two part look at Marianne Faithfull. I found her autobiography at used book store a long time ago and these videos refreshed my memory about some of the things I read in that book.
Excellent examination of Marianne and her work. Thank you!
This was a great follow-up/part 2, thank you. I liked the timeline of "The Stones" rise in status due in part to the drug arrest. Back to Ms. Faithful, thank you for the book link and I'm so glad she made it thru the horrible drug years, so many didn't.
Thank you, James! Everything back in the 60s seems so connected. I appreciate the comment!
I was surprised to find this your most compelling story yet! Thanks!
Thank you, Ken. This short series doesn't get nearly the attention of some others but I find her story fascinating.
Thanks for the 2 videos matt. I never realized just how great a voice she had. I will be getting some of her CDs and the autobiography.
You're welcome, Morton - thank you for watching!
Thanks for again enhippening us to a great artist that could have been overlooked. I didn't get to meet her, but I did get to be in the same room with her and she had a stately countenance. I love to hear her speak
Buy her new album, if you love her voice, sigh, I do, listen to Jabberwocky on you tube, back in her Jagger days....wearing this amazing hat...women, I know- I can't tell but I think you are male?!? Well the hat IS a smasher! Not just the big brim, it has a very high crown- makes it a tad more stylish, she is one of my style icons!
Thank you. for the video Matt, I have found new appreciation for the incredible artist that is Marianne.
Thanks Carlos!
Top class. Thanks.
Incredible story, excellent vid as usual!
Hi Matt: Thank you so much for your videos on Marianne Faithfull. I find them extremely well done, concise but to the point and most of all sympathetic - that is important with someone of her stature (as far as I am concerned) as a very great artist. My being 65 years old allows me to remember that I had the single of "As Tears Go By" as a kid (in California) and through my elder siblings my introduction to the Stones was very thorough indeed. I always followed all the news regarding them and their associates in Rolling Stone and the Bay Area press - especially the "underground publications", eg. Berkeley Barb etc.
Following "Broken English" I went to see her in London on that tour and have loved her music ever since. I have seen her in performance in numerous settings in London and Paris over the years. I even got to meet and speak with her for about 5 minutes and she was wonderful.
I think all of her work deserves merit - her albums etc, The "20th Century Blues" album, "Live - Blazing Away" at St. Annes (?) and "Negative Capability" are all masterpieces, in my mind. She took chances. In relation to "Rich Kid Blues" it took me years to figure that one out. Here in the UK there were a number of compilations that contained some but not all of the songs. Just for your interest, I finally got a copy (1999 - Repitoire Records) which covered the whole album, with songs in the same sequence on a disc called "It's All Over Now Baby Blue - The Nems Years Vol. 1". This also has extra tracks which I believe are from "Dreamin, My Dreams" though I am not sure of that - back to the drawing board!!!!
Sorry this is so long - just my thoughts from having enjoyed both videos and a great thanks for the work you have done. Thanks for reading this from a "closet music journalist!!!"
You were so fortunate to see her multiple times - having met her must have been a thrill! I appreciate the kind word David - More to come!
Great review of Marianne. Thanks. 😍 Marianne
Excellent job with all your research & the presentation. I thought I knew most of the Stones story from this period, but I learned a lot. Thanks!
A nice follow up to Part 1, and a good resume of a life that, I fear, many people would probably not have survived. On a self indulgent note, both the lady's autobiography, which can be a harrowing read in places, and the 'Rich Kid Blues' record are real favourites of mine, I would put it in my Top Ten favourite album list anytime. Although its an album of covers, you would never know. Marianne Faithfull makes each song her own and, while it can at times be slightly uneasy listening, the almost audio verite nature of the album really adds to the atmosphere of the thing. Its nice to know that the lady is still alive and kicking.
"Audio verite" is a fine way to describe Rich Kid Blues. Not the easiest to listen to but rewarding in many ways. Thanks for the comment!
I sure learned a lot with this video. Had no idea all those songs were inspired by her.
Her part on Mitch Ryder's A thrill is a thrill is soo good, very simple part with a great impact. Especially; I know a young girl who loves the smell of flowers, old ones in love can play with them for hours.
Fabulous Information, Matt. I wish I'd paid more attention to her Years ago. I certainly will now. 🙏
I think her stuff is really solid. A shame it never gets played.
Another great job
Wonderful feature! I'd love to see one on Laura Nyro!
Once again, fabulous!. Had no idea about much of her story beyond that which hit the tabloids, gossip & rumor, none of which at the time nor subsequently (bios on the Stones, Jagger, Richards etc) cared about but its "there". Nice to have that explained, cleared up a bit...... Thanks for the inf on her 94 Bio as well. Have to check that out.
Thank you, Steve. Thank you for watching both videos!
Matt,
Fantastic two videos on Ms. Faithful. You have a fantastic way of explaining what was going during these times. Particularly Marianne’s influence on what was happening around her.
Always saw photos of her and Anita Pallenberg but couldn’t help but wondered where she came from and how she got there. Thank you for providing the answers to many of my questions through the years. Continue the great work.
Thank you for the kind words, Christopher. More to come.
Nice job. I was never really into her music at all, but know of her mainly through the Stones connection. I checked out her discography on line and had no idea she has put out so many albums.
Yeah, she has done quite a bit in the last 20 years, including some acting as well. Thanks for watching, Paul!
...excellent!
Had a double album of hers, a compilation from 1985 on the Castle label called "Rich Kid Blues". It was a combination of that album and "Dreaming My Dreams" from '76. Great album, and like you mentioned, an uncomfortable but captivating listen. Still my favorite of all her albums, for some reason. Had a bunch of her 60's albums and late 70's/80's albums, but this double was always my go to.
Great videos, thanks!
Brilliant!!
Enjoyed your two part series. Marianne Faithfull was a beautiful icon in the mid 60's . I will dispute one statement you made. I was 12 in 1965 and to me the Rolling Stones were always second to the Beatles in staus BUT I never thought of them as "back with the pack with the other Invasion groups" . For me they had pulled way ahead by 1965 after Satisfaction, Psint I Black, Ruby Tuesday etc all realeased before that drug bust in early 1967. Anyway interesting stuff enjoy your videos.
I was lucky to find some of her original LPs back in the 70's. These women also have not gotten the recognition they deserve : Norma Tanega, Evie Sands, P.P. Arnold, Karen Dalton, Jackie DeShannon. Thank you for the musical journey.
Those are some obscure figures for sure! Jackie DeShannon is on my list and I really want to cover Buffy St. Marie as well. Thank you for mentioning the above, Ann. I will have look into more of their work.
I know she isn't a big fan of Rich Kid Blues, but it may be the album of her's that I play the most. Wonderfully chosen covers and I agree that her version of Beware of Darkness is a stunner. To me, she outshines George's version as her vulnerable vocal lines really fit the lyrics. It is also a transition album vocally, going from her lighter Pop/Folk vocals of the '60s and starting to show what was to come with Broken English.
Marianne has always been one of my favorite artists/personalities. Her voice, her looks, the decadence that she just casually wears like a cloak, so much more than someone's girlfriend. Such strength to survive the drugs, drink, breast cancer, and now Covid. She just shrugs it off. and moves forward...
She is tough, that's for sure. I have been listening to Rich Kid Blues a lot too, especially in preparation for these videos. The cream still rises to the top! Thanks for commenting, Bill.
The Prologue and Epilogue (spoken word) on her album "A Secret Life" are highlights for me: "Then I looked up and saw the morning ray's mantle its shoulder from that planet bright and guides men's feet aright on all their way" "We are such stuff as dreams are made of and our little life is rounded with a sleep"
Yo Matt...if you lived down the hall from me...no doubt we'd hang as we are both vinyl collectors and appreciate the Beatles and I am very impressed you grasp the significance of Marianne Faithfull...when I was a kid, my sister mailed me from Europe her first two Decca albums which just as Capitol did with the Beatles records ...London Records did with hers...which was mix them up and reduce the number of tracks, the 'B' sides of her singles were quite memorable such as "The Sha La La Song" and 'Morning Sun'....I've read her bios...followed her pre-heroin, during her heroin addiction and apres heroin...she is a survivor and a really remarkable musical artist and also very very smart... you shared new info with me and it's appreciated :) ...darn...wish you lived next door...but at least I can send you my appreciation for your videos and insights....ps my fav song by her is 'In the Nightime' from Love in a Mist...back in the days when I skateboarded regularly I would listen to it while I skateboarded on streets at night...shared the song with other skaters and there you go ...we had quite a few locals skating listening to that song....THANK YOU!!!
Thank you for the kind comment, Michael. Yes we seem to have a lot in common and you are correct, Marianne had some great b-sides. You have a good sister!
Wow, very interesting, learned a lot. No mention of her vocals on Metallica's The Memory Remains?
Fascinating
thank you for these, very measured and respectful videos, Marianne is a fascinating woman, a truly talented and unique artist. I like the way you focus on her talents rather than the other stuff which she owns but does not let it define her.
Thank you. I felt her 60s music was alway overlooked and it's worth looking at/listening too!
Excellent video Matt. I remember when Broken English came out. It was a real shocker at the time .Of course it did not reflect well on the Stones as most people interpreted her condition at that time to the way Jagger in particular, had treated her. A heavy listen but a great album.
Thank you, Trunk. Her later stuff still kind of shocks me! Thanks for watching both videos!
Love these videos!! Thanks for the the incredible detail you provide and shedding some light on the artist’s deep cuts. Definitely, gonna check out some of early works. Cheers!
Thank you, Matthew!
You are probably already aware of him, but do you know much of Jimmy Campbell’s music? Particularly his 1970 Vertigo album, Half Baked? He’s a brilliant songwriter who got lost in the shuffle of the times. He’s just outside your channel’s timeline but I think you will like his music.
I actually admire Marianne. She's a icon of the 1960s! I read her book. I thought her lovely as a young woman.
Also I read her book, swinging sixties you betcha!!! I hope she didn't relapse after Anita's passing!
RIP Anita Pallenberg!!!
Plus I loved Broken English " I recall dancing to it!
Faithfully yours! 🇬🇧❤️❤️🌹🌹🌹
Thank you for your comment, Tiffanyrose!
Nicely done, Matt! Perhaps Mary Hopkin could be deserving of such a video :-)
I may get around to Mary Hopkin! My list is long so stay tuned!
@@popgoesthe60s52 Thanks! Will watch for it. Of course, all your strictly Beatles episodes are definitely my favorites :-)
Great video. I must say I never cared to know much about her. I assumed she was a model or something. Now I regret that mindset, because she has had quite a history
I overlooked her for years! I find myself listening to her 60s material quite a lot over the past 10 years. Thanks for the honest comment.
Thanks for another interesting video. I'd always heard that the Stones' 'Angie' was about David Bowie's first wife (with whom Jagger allegedly had an affair), so it was interesting to hear your reference to Marianne. I also see the comment below referencing Keith Richards' autobiography and the quote about the birth of his daughter. I wonder where the truth lies?
Yes, I just did a reply to the below comment. Mick Jagger has made mention of the lyrics as being connected to Marianne, so it would seem to have multiple inspirations - including Bowie's wife! Thanks Adrian.
Adrian, so funny, I just said almost the same exact thing about the Angie reference ...within this last hour lol
In that autobiography Faithful claims to be related to Leopold von Sacher-Masoch. "Broken English" (1980) stands in stark contrast to her maiden voyage "As Tears Go By" (1966). Now that's a womans that's lived life intensely and stands as an enduring testament to the sort of creativity that came out of the 1960s in the face of official oppression.
She must be really tough, stubborn, and willful! Thanks for the comment.
@@popgoesthe60s52 This is an excellent program because the subject is approached with respect and the seriousness it deserves. Based on your fine review, I bought "The Beatles and the Historians."
@@professorhamamoto Thank you! That book give a great perspective on a very big topic. I appreciate the followup, professor!
@professorhsmsmoto....' official repression ' ...You mean, not wanting our children to grow up in a world filled with heroin, junkies, drunks , depravity ,degeneracy , immorality etc etc.....is ' oppressive ' ?
You reminded me that I saw her perform in Dublin in 1991.
Thank you Matt, I've enjoyed your series on Marianne. It's cool that you have virtually reintroduced to her as an artist with a solid back track history and persona to match whilst flicking off the rock'n'roll flea and cockroach circus cliches that have humiliatingly and sadly been attached to her throughout her life. Am eagerly awaiting further PGTS's video. I love your channel!
That's high praise, Jimmy and it is much appreciated. More to come!
I had to delete my 3 page " essay " - love your channel and of course, Marianne...Namaste, Z
It's not out of the realm of possibilities that Broken English WAS made for you (well, in addition to Marianne). I am sympathetic to victims of big pharma so there was no need to delete or edit too much! Marianne is worth any long comments, so feel free.
THANK YOU, more than you know. Some family call me "crazy" total difference in values (I love them but they ARE judgmental- kind of like Anita saying she wasn't sure about Marianne because of how she was dressed- the book by John de Green, she is wearing an awful ((the only ugly/fratprep thing IMHO I've seen her in, but redeemed by her marmalade cat)) and I am SO glad I like, love ,read, watch, listen too, think ( my ideologies), admire, dress, etc as I do. NOT as they do! Big hug again, I have often wondered how Marianne would react to my abuse by a psychiatrist- a court case mess that left me decimated, would she say get over it- after my parents, then this creep, to FIX me- maybe that is one reason I run on and can seem ditsy- I am not! And it wasn't just a Fear of Flying, fling on the couch- nope, read My Dark Vanessa, think Lolitta...Namaste, Z (and would she forgive me for loving Mars bars?!) Namaste, Z.
@@MSYNGWIE12 She would forgive you. :)
can you do this for more artists? I think in this age when every single person thinks they have what it takes, knowing the stories of someone who was a failure (to everyone at the time) is insightful.
I will be focusing on several artists that haven't gotten a lot of recognition or respect. More to come!
I love Sister Morphine sung by Mick Jagger :)
Great second part! She did write another autobiography, or should I say memoir, called Memories Dreams and Reflections, published in 2007. It goes back and forth, a sort of diary, full of tasty anedoctes. She's also really clever and witty. And, as you pointed out, she's always had great taste in covers. Check out her versions of No reason by Jackie Lomax and Many Miles A Freedom by Traffic.
Cool, I'll check those covers out. I haven't read Memories, Dreams and Reflections but I may pick that one up. Thanks, Antonio!
Outstanding presentation of Marianne Faithfull. How about doing one on Nico ?
I will probably do the Velvet Underground first and I may incorporate her into that story so we'll see once I start outlining it.
I'm slightly surprised you don't mention 'The Ballad of Lucy Jordan'.
Certainly, from her autobiography and from an interview or two I recall, she is a most remarkable person. To have come through all that madness and still be able to take the world on and enjoy doing so - that's character!
Yeah, Times Square is another I wanted to mention but I wanted to keep the video under 20 minutes. She warrants a part 3 video and I may do that at sometime to fill in some gaps. Thanks for the suggestion!
it's interesting to hear that Jagger was not a total wash, most stories about him paint him as quite childish.
Le Grande Dame OF ROCK N ROLL. She trully suffered for her art...and for others' too.
Are ALL the 1960's albums available on CD'S or only some of them?
If some not on CD's, which ones are they?
Once into the 1970's the album's were quite different. Did Marianne ever release any folk genre albums again after the 1960's?
Thank you.
What is your source for the comment about Gene Clark’s “My Marie” being about Marianne?
That was an entry from the Wikipedia page regarding the Hollies' Carrie-Anne. It didn't come with a citation. I know the stones spent time in the late 60s recording in LA so I thought that may have been a time Clark could have crossed paths with them, but that's all I've got. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_Anne
Quite a presence...
Solid video as usual. But I'm commenting on your record albums on the top. The records in the floor bins seem pretty stable, but recently you've had "The Best of Lenny Bruce" and the soundtrack from the Jack Nicholson penned "The Trip." A big thumbs up for taste!
Thank you, Brian. I change those albums about once per month and I'm always try ing to show some diversity. Thanks for noticing!
Where can you get songs for Marianne.
It sounds like a good record
I think that would be a good record too, but for now it is merely an _Album That Never Was_ .
Excellent! I like this channel very. Well articulated, well prepared with facts and speaks at a modest pace.How about the Sex Pistols?
Thank you for the nice comment, Bob!
It sounds like on her post-1960s albums, the drugs really had taken a toll on her voice. She had to sing "Beware of Darkness" a semitone lower than George!
Yes, her voice seemed ravaged. But it certainly add to a lot of the subject matter. Thanks for commenting.
@@popgoesthe60s52 I just found a higher quality of her cover, and she actually sang it a WHOLE step lower than George. Isn't that kind of sad.
I always wondered if Gene Pitney's song Marianne was about Marianne as well.
Also what was the song playing during the very last moment of fade out ? That sounded really cool, talking about her life getting pregnant at 14 etc? Thanks
That's called Vagabond Ways and was on the album of the same name (1999).
@@popgoesthe60s52 Thanks that was a good song. And Good job on that tribute to her.
I found Marianne very much like Eartha Kitt but thought Eartha was more jazzy. I love them both💜
I have the Decca purple coloured greatest hits vinyl LP shown here in the video
The Wind Cries Mary was written for Kathy Etchingham, Jimi’s girlfriend whose middle name is Mary.
Yes, I had read that. I wonder who else Hendrix told he wrote it for!
Anyone else surprised to hear the Mick’s first acid experiment didn’t happen until 1967? He comes off very well in this episode! Poor Marianne, though the ‘60s were supposedly full of new thinking & new attitudes, her treatment after Redlands showed that it was still very much a mans world
She was rather kind to Mick in her autobiography. She did make some decisions that placed her in a rough place, so luckily she was able to overcome them.
You mention her "Dreamin' My Dreams" but you don't mention her "Dreamin' My Dreams" LP on NEMS in 1975 or so. It was subsequently re-released as "Faithless" on NEMS with a few different tracks that were recorded at the time. It's a countryish album that has a number of really cool songs. Neither were initually issued in the US, but there was a quasi-legal LP of "Faithless" issued and a CD on CBS Special Products.
BUT THE MEMORY REMAINS!!!
I had the great fortune to meet and play music with the Late STEVE YORK in Mexico .. He is a co-writer and awesome Bass Player on Broken English >> Very fine Musician .,ALSO you didn't mention "Horses and High Heels" great album released in 2012 [?].... Check it out !!! John Driver
Thank you, John, I will check out that album!
Great show, 1&2 but correct me if I’m wrong but I was under impression Angie was about Angela Bowie? Was that just a rumor? Or was us partly about both women or what? I’m 65 next month and I have gone through all those years thinking Angie was about Angela Bowie?
The story was that the name was inspired by Bowie's wife. Keith Richards daughter is also purported to be an influence. Plus Jagger has cited Marianne as an inspiration, so there is probably not just one answer.
@@popgoesthe60s52 ok thanks for that Angie info
Great video, but the song Angie was NOT written about Marianne Faithfull. Keith Richards wrote in his 2010 autobiography: "While I was in the [Vevey drug] clinic (in March-April 1972), Anita was down the road having our daughter, Angela. Once I came out of the usual trauma, I had a guitar with me and I wrote 'Angie' in an afternoon, sitting in bed, because I could finally move my fingers and put them in the right place again, and I didn't feel like I had to s--t the bed or climb the walls or feel manic anymore. I just went, 'Angie, Angie.' It was not about any particular person; it was a name, like ohhh, Diana. I didn't know Angela was going to be called Angela when I wrote 'Angie.' In those days you didn't know what sex the thing was going to be until it popped out."
Wind Cries Mary was written for Kathy Etchingham Jimi’s girlfriend and not Marianne.
Yeah, I do know that Keith certainly had the song structure and chord progression, but Mick had offered the Marianne connection with some of the lyric, so it appears there were multiple influences. Thank for the quote from Keith's book, Michael!
"Things with the Stones were always a little bit rocky", have you no shame
Back in the day, if you stood within 50 feet of Keith you would be arrested for possession.
Ahem. I am on medication for several issues, one of them is a "watered-down" Keith kinda thing- I bought his autobiography, started it, was loving it and can't find it...I do have many, many, many books but somebody I related this too laughed their arse off...I find it incredible, listening to Keith now, that he DOESNT seem to have brain damage! God bless the man, roll on...Namaste, Z
reality check: Marianne Faithfull's 'Morning Sun' has 32 likes on youtube, Comsat Angels' 'Field of Tall Flowers' has 63 likes, and Beatles 'Hey Bulldog' ( maybe mt favorite Beatles track) has 166k likes - despite being a throwaway number. Maybe it's time for folks to broaden their horizons. Just a thought.
Agreed. I'm hoping these videos make it into more feeds!
@@popgoesthe60s52 Matt, Excellent quality should make it so - and your videos are excellent. But there are a lot excellent bands littered on the side of the road as they could not break out of a local surrounding. But I am wending my way through your postings. And fascinated.
@@wyliesmith4244 Thank you, Wylie. I am happy to see this 2-parter on Marianne getting views! It was slow out of the gate with this one!
Actually George Harrison and Marianne have a similar voice in a way.
Yes! Great notification!
Can't you speak about her NEMS period and edit it in?
Marianne Facefull
The mars bar rubbish did not happen
Female police officer at the time came out years later and said this
Busted for marijuana.....seems so absurd now.
Who is Jayger ?? Jagger. pron: Jag Ger
I still don’t care for her work