Canon R5 II: Should you get the Original One?
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0:00 R5 II Worth it?
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I'm a wildlife, sports, motorsports, & landscape photographer so its a big yes for me. Already pre-ordered!
I just want an R1 with the R5 II's sensor. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
I can tell you from firsthand experience that is a completely different experience photographing with an R3 compared to my R5 bodies. The experiences completely different. The cameras just worked better at the level than the presumer level.
Probably be a few generations before they can handle the data throughput to get R1 performance with a 45mp censor.
The R1 has faster stacked though but in real life the r5ii is decently fast enuf
As a stills photographer, it seems to me that Canon have spent a great deal of time and effort adding new features and improved capabilities to the R5 that I simply don't need or want. Having read through all the specifications, this is my shortlist of things of interest:
1. Continuous shooting is now customisable in fine increments between 1 and 30 FPS. This is a big deal. I'm not so interested in the 30 FPS, as I am the user control. Being able to select 3 or 5 FPS, for example, would make continuous shooting really useful. This goes to show you don't necessarily need a huge R&D budget when you can instead just listen to what your customers want. Canon could of course do the same with self-timer shooting, which only offers 2 or 12 second options. In nearly all cases for me, 2 seconds is too short, and 12 is too long. How hard would it be to throw in a custom timer option, ranging from 1-99 seconds?
2. Up to 1/32,000 electronic shutter. My very first digital camera, an Olympus C2500L from 1999, had an electronic shutter limit of 1/10,000 second. What has taken Canon so long?
3. Neural network noise reduction. I don't know how well this will work, but it sounds useful. I think this was one of the features Canon was going to charge for as a subscription service, but thankfully dropped that idea and threw it in for free. I would certainly try it out.
4. Neural network upscaling. Not sure how useful this will be, as it can be done in post anyway. A nice-to-have though, possibly. I've seen no mention of IBIS Hi-Res, which the Mark I does, so I don't know whether neural network upscaling is a replacement, or whether we get both. I find IBIS Hi-Res useful on occasion.
5. Up to 30 second electronic shutter. I find the 0.5 second limit of the Mark I most inconvenient, so I'm glad to see that restriction removed. Could Canon fix that in the Mark I as a firmware update, perhaps? Or do they just want to sell the Mark II instead?
6. Eye-control AF. How useful this will be depends on how well it works in practice. I notice this feature depends on physiology, so it's not for everyone.
7. Pre-continuous shooting. Whilst I would have called this "continuous pre-shooting", it sounds very handy for recovering missed shots. Getting the shot is what matters.
This probably isn't a feature, but I would suggest that continuous pre-shooting would also be useful for single-shot image capture. In this case, pressing the shutter button would indicate to the camera that the moment has passed, so save the results to the card and have done with it. That way, you would just take and save the range of images you most likely needed. It would avoid sifting through thousands of images in post, through reckless continuous shooting. Wouldn't that be good? Once again, this could be something really useful, without the need for a huge R&D budget. Maybe even a firmware update.
8. Not explicitly stated in the specifications, but implied, is better image quality - which is what photography is all about. I assume it delivers this.
So that's it. That's all that interests me. Out of all the things Canon have done, it's not much, is it?
From the above list, you can subtract the new multi-function shoe, which adds incompatibility. Thanks, Canon. Oh, and battery incompatibility, too. "Progress", I suppose.
As I already have the R5 Mark I, I was never going to dash out and buy the Mark II right away. I'll at least wait until the full User Manual is available for download, and read it before deciding. And read reviews. One major reason to buy the Mark II is that I already have the money set aside for it, but given how little the Mark II offers for me personally, it's by no means certain I'll buy it.
Great points, I have a similar thought process. I’m just dreading that the few worthwhile new features (for me: pre-continuous shooting and Eye-AF) really aren’t worth $2500 (if I trade in)-$4500. Just like my iPad Pro M4, after I upgraded from a 2020 iPad Pro. I need to open an MKBHD or RUclipsr video to re-inform myself why the new tech is better, in real life I honestly struggle to see the difference.
Well said.. As a still photographer, I don't see much improved features.. No improvement in color science or in dynamic range.. One thing positive is BSI stacked sensor that gives an effectiveness in lower light shooting.. R5II doesn't justify the price, at least to me.. Thank you for your thought.
@@jaekim5397 As a stills photographer I do
what's the point of having iso up to 200k or whatever if its not great at 6400. They really need to work on that. And make motherboards that don't give off Err70 in the middle of a shoot.
About the subscription, there was never an official word about paying subscription to use AI features, they are all from the mouths of youtubers not Canon officials
I love your honesty and integrity it is difficult doing a live stream
As a Nikon shooter I don’t see anything transformative about either the R1 or R5II and in many respects these cameras give me a greater appreciation for the value Nikon brings to the table.
as a canon shooter i agree with you
Agreed.
They're just cameras.
@@jonesphotography5257 for photography it doesn’t matter. For video it does.
@@Dobbs65😂😂😂
I will keep my 5D Mark III an 6D Mark II and I am very happy with it. I better will buy EF500 f/4.
I'm currently wondering if I should change my Canon 6D MK II for the R5 MK II.
I understand your pov, however, trust me, you don’t know what you’re missing… just the “old” R6 is miles ahead of those two cameras, even with less mp. Sharpness, detail, AF, shooting speed, all in whole other level!
All best
@@TheGoodContent37yes, you should. But if you’re on the fence, try one of the R cameras first. Rent the R5 or so to try out!
The eye AF is worth the upgrade.
I am currenly shooting on 5d iv. I shoot videos ocassionally but majority of the times it's food/fashion photography. Should i go for R5 or the R5ii? Planning on shooting more videos in the future
As a professional photographer who has been using the R5 for four years, I am not impressed with the R5 Mark II. I had been waiting for a significant upgrade, but this one does not meet my expectations. I am therefore disappointed and have decided to order the R6 Mark II instead.
May I know why you choose r6 ii 😮
@@LouisLuzukame too ik want to know because i shoot sports trying to decide btw the r5 1 and r62
I'm curious to know what it is you wanted to see in the R5 Mark two.
As a professional that you are you do not even touch the R5mkII and you already have an oppinion. It is just hilarious.
@@LouisLuzuka it's much cheaper I can get it with the 24-105 F4 with 4 years insurance and still much cheaper. And produces stunning images and don't even talk about the down sample 6K to 4k that the r5 ii doesn't provide.
If your focus is hybrid shooting with focus chiefly on landscape and wildlife you get a lot of additional features with the upgrade, the AF this time is not just an incremental update, it's quite a few steps ahead of the original, the increased frame rates 30fps in full 14bit along with a higher sensor readout speed is bound to dramatically reduce rolling shutter (the old R5 had a readout speed of ~15ms vs ~6ms on the R5 ii which is great, still not as fast as the Z8 or A1 though which are ~4ms sensors, but the difference is minimal even in extremes) is indeed a blessing. The only drawback for me is the exclusion of an oversampled 4K 60p mode which the Z8 offers . I am in the habit of shooting small 1minute behavioral footages of birds where the 4k 60p with greater detail would have offered very good and refined quality, there is ofcourse an oversampled 4K 60p in APSC mode which will be useful sometimes though. Overall a great model. There seems to be some concerns with overheating with this model as well but the fan is very useful. I know it's an additional cost but if we continue to bother Canon with complaints I am sure the recording times would increase on this one too with firmware.😂 Overall except the minor exclusion of the oversampled 4K 60p which seems weird in a camera that can do 8K 60p, this is a great update. Going to order as soon as the initial reviews come out.
Well said, the autofocus comes across as a major update, but I want to see what the reviews say. As I will be first with he camera, I will do my own testing and report back.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Thanks, that will be grand.
if your not into sports / video , mk1 still performs great imo , i mean it's not far behind the newer ones . . . , but damn R5mk2 is really GREAT !!! , it's more interesting than the awaited R1
R5 II is really great, but most don't need it and can save a lot by getting the R5 MK1. I never had an issue with he rolling shutter, but tracking a subject with other people around is something I will be trying out. That's a big one for me.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker well i wish there is a less expensive version with less video features , and no ventilation holes which targetted more to photography …. I mean TBH , This is more like a reduce size R5c …. I mean for hybrid ( video ) shooters this is amazing
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker couldn't they probably just fix that tracking problem in a firmware update for the R5 I?
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Actually "most" don't need the R5mk1 either. The R5mk1 doesn't support Look Files at the moment. My R5c and C70 support Look Files and LUTs. The R5mki has an older CMOS sensor. It's outdated hardware. The stacked sensor provides about a 20% performance increase in all modes and you will def see that in low light performance. However, many may not need it. If one already has an R5mk I the upgrade is def worth it in my opinion. I will def be using the 45mp to 180mp upscaling in camera function. That is a game changer for myself. Printing. I can leave my GFX 100II at home. I will be making a comparison of the images from the R5II upscaled to my GFX. My R5 will be sold/traded in, upgraded.
I’m going to pass and wait for R5III.
What do you shoot with now?
iPhone? 😅
Pre ordered. I just wish they didn’t take so long to release. When Nikon announces a camera it is released within two weeks.
Thank you Simon for your tireless coverage of R5MII and RI.
My pleasure. I really didn't have anything to do and then after watching hours of these reviews it kind of struck me as what we complained about with the Mark one and what this Camera fixes. And I've got a video I'm editing. It'll probably come out Sunday, though it's taking a different look at the market numbers.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker well, I have been watching all your countdown videos on these two new cameras. Infact, it has helped me to zero in the R5 and not the R5 Mark II as I do no videos, no sports and no wildlife. My work centres around fashion and I think the R5 is a true gem still and will remain capable the next few years! Your work is extraordinary! More power to you!
I'm waiting for the Canon Eos R5 III.
I like watching other people spending their money. I'm good with the old R5 + battery pack.
I like living life and not focused on what others are doing. Why watch other people live when you can live yourself.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I need a new car soon. No more camera gear for awhile.
Thanks Simon I enjoyed your build up to it and the live stream 👏 I ordered it. I previously wanted the R5 when it was launched but went with the R6, and invested in lenses. 7 RF L lenses now so happy to splash out on the body! Can’t wait to get my hands on R5 mark ii.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT AS WELL. CAN'T WAIT TO GET MY HANDS ON IT. SET IT UP AND START USING IT. IT'S DIFFERENT ENOUGH THAT I THINK PUTTING OUT SEVERAL VIDEOS ON ASPECTS OF THE CAMERA AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR US AS PHOTOGRAPHERS AND VIDEOGRAPHERS MEANS IT IS IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY RUclips IS AUTOMATICALLY GONE AND MADE EVERYTHING UP. I DIDN'T TOUCH ANYTHING, BUT I'M NOT ABOUT TO RETYPE IT.
Can't wait! Just pre-ordered. All in, "Shut up and take my money!"
You aren't alone. Record preorders on the camera.
Did the same here. I think all the people doing the hand wringing will be waiting a looong time for stock and sales. Wildlife/nature shooter, so the improved sensor, 14bit RAW with variable frame rate, and improved AF, and pre-capture is enough for me. The one feature I don't have and answer on is if it will allow flash with focus stacking for macro shots. It now does flash sync with electronic shutter so maybe we can get it with focus stacking.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker, but will they deliver?
😁😄🙆
Good thing I wasn't in the market for the R1, I would have been very disappointed. Pre-ordered the R5 II, can't wait.
I would say based on the date that I've received from my pre-orders that the R5 out sells the R1 by a factor of 9 to 1
Cost me $5267 for R5ii, 1 battery and a grip. Give me the original, it doesn’t overheat anymore anyway.
Fax 😂
That's correct. With firmer 1.6 and auto power off temp set to high, you're unlikely to get overheating. But the Mark two will further dissipate heat eating better.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker, firmware. This is like software but not as "soft." In other words, these two words are related.
I can’t wait for the release. Paid and waiting ❤️👍
Me too. I'll be out shooting every day.. spending the first few days setting up the camera and understanding the new capabilities.
I loved the shots of your son with the camera. Future photographer in the making!!
Great work Simon.
My buying decision just got a lot more difficult.
I was going to jump straight on the R5ii because of improved dynamic range, preshoot, FHD@240fps and reduced rolling shutter. However, the price (£4500 in the UK) is a big chunk higher than the launch price of the R5 1.
I'm holding back for now, either waiting for discounts or going with version 1 and spend the savings on some good glass.
Nothing wrong with taking time to make an informed decision. The longer you wait, the more affordable the camera becomes ;)
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Very true. It'll be very interesting to see the full reviews.
I'm also intrigued about what's happened to the subscription rumour and if there'll be any shocks when people receive their cameras.
Where do you read that dynamic range is better in the R5m2? To my knowledge, that has not been published. Plus indications are that a stacked sensor while increasing speed compromises dynamic range.
@@jimbruton9482 I was referring to rumoured as well as confirmed specifications in my op. However, I understood that BSI sensors did offer increased dynamic range and low light performance. I'm no expert though.
@@tonyy452 Once the camera gets in the hands of real world users and measurements made we'll know. I always wait a month or two (or even longer) after a new model is being sold in the market. Not to say everyone is, but initial reviews invited by the camera company to "first look" the new equipment sometimes can be biased or prejudicial.
Coming from an R5, it may not be worth the upgrade. Upgrading from a Canon 5DMk II, III or IV, yeah it would be a pretty big upgrade.
It's pretty common in tech to skip every other iteration of a new product. Whether it be a phone or a laptop. If you wait a generation or two, then you notice a much bigger improvement. Just look at all the people that are still shooting with cameras from 2015 or 2016.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I have always skipped a generation 5D to 5DMkIII. The 5DMkIV was a big enough leap. Then to mirror-less R5.
If the 4k 60p isn't oversampled from 8k and the active cooling doesn't improve video times over the mark 1, my money is staying in my pocket!
Great video Simon ! I’d like for you to do a similar one comparing to the R1 to the R3 and if it’s worth upgrading . Cheers👍🏻✅🇨🇦
That would be an interesting video as well. But I need to get my hands on these cameras to be able to do it from a point of authority.
I have an R6 II and an R5C. I primarily shoot sports and do not have any complaints shooting fast action sports with either one. I may wait until the R5 III comes out but haven't really made up my mind yet. It is a difficult decision since I keep hearing the auto focus system on the Mark 2 performs quite a bit better than the mark 1, which is to be expected.
The best fix for auto focus is manual focus.
I for one appreciate the upgrades. They brought a lot of new or improved capabilities over the MkI. I have been using the R6 and R6MkII professionally and, candidly, they are enough camera for me. Their price point left me more budget for quality RF glass. Let’s face it, most of the stuff today’s cameras offer isn’t really necessary and we’ve gotten away without it for years. IMHO, the industry is at a point where there’s really very little they can (or will add) to really change the game such as APIs to add features and customizations or theft protection.
I’m considering selling my R6 MkI to upgrade this fall as I want a bit more flexibility than what the R6 offers, and as a hybrid shooter, the R5MkII makes sense. I’ll probably get it over my “grail camera”, the Hasselblad X2D to accompany the R6MkII as my daily driver.
One last thing, what happened to the announcement of new glass that was to accompany the launch of these two new camera bodies? For the record, I’m good on glass, but would love a 50mm and 85mm f/1.4 and a 35-150 f/2.8 (or even f4).
I have an R6 that makes wonderful large prints. 45mp does nothing for me as I never crop more than about 10% and there is zero perceivable difference in even A1 size prints that I compared side by side. What I always wanted and could never afford is a flagship Canon with more robust build and weather sealing and cleaner low light/high ISO performance. So now that the R5II and R1 are out, I bought a new R3, for $3,999 including tax and delivery from B&H, more than $2,000 less than it was upon introduction and $1,000 less than it sold for 6 months ago. It’s AF is wonderful and low light/high ISO performance is stellar. And if I ever have a need for high res, I’ll save up and buy the camera where I’ll actually see a significant difference in large prints: a Hasselblad X2D.
I have the R3 and its an amazing camera. Its not heavy and it molds into your hand so well. I have the R5 and use that in the studio and take it with me for a backup when working out of the studio. I agree I've been eyeing the Hasselblad X2D if it had better auto focusing I'd be excited to get one :)
You gentlemen are just proof that for many 24 megapixels is certainly more than enough, and it was for me for many years as well
I use Canon EF lenses on a Sony a6400. It works well enough for still photography. I am not sure about video, but then again, I do use manual focus occasionally for video. Besides which, I am slowly converting to Sony A-mount anyway.
Sony has made incredible progress since buying Minolta back in 2007. I wouldn't be surprised if they become the number one camera company within the next 3 to 5 years.
Take that difference in price and spread it over four years when the mark III comes out and it's money well spent between the R5 & R5II... I'm keeping my R5 as a backup which is still very relative.
i have only one camera, the r5. the lenses were a huge thing for me. 70-200 2.8, 100-500 L, 85 1.2 to name a few. a new primary with better imaging and what not, it's a no brainer for me. r5 mk2 all day every day.
I find myself in the same situation. With each new lens that I buy I'm further locking myself into the Canon system for better or worse
Nice upgrade, but to be honest I am not missing much in older R5 and R6 mk2. So many features aren’t really for wedding photography.
It does feel like the updates really benefit videographer is more. Although the update in the auto focus could be, could justify an upgrade if you do a lot of wedding type stuff like I could see that. But otherwise, I mean what you've got is more than sufficient.
What I want to know from you is where is this WoW camera? At $4300 when I already own the R5 this camera was a big disappointment. New grip new batteries to make the grip work? I’m still looking for the Wow
I’m looking for a used r5 now , it should be less than half the price of the mark 2, and still a massive upgrade for me.
Or even a new piece coming at a discount. I am with you pal. I would go in for the R5. It's got enough for 99% of photographers.
You might even check used units as they will be flooding the market. Or better still keep an eye out for refurb units directly from Canon. Ive seen these at $2,199.
your math is off it didnt deprecate that much MAYBE if your lucky and buy off a person
@@NoSuRReNDeR001 I just got one, $2650 Canadian, found on Craigslist. The mark 2 is 5899 plus 12% tax here.
Thank you for the detailed analysis, Simon.
I shoot wildlife with my R5, >90% is/are macro of arthropods and plants, the rest are amphibians, reptiles, birds, & non-human mammals (humans/sports - never). The only feature I want from the R5 Mark II is focus stacking *with flash*. And the R5 Mark II does that 😊. The other improvements are just gravy👍🏻
It seems to me canon has forgotten the still photographer. Your review and most of your reference material speaks to the videographer.
Can't wait for this to be for sale - money ready, and I have waited long enough Everything I need and more. Getting ready for some magic to happen. Thanks for keeping us updated on this looooooooong journey.
Absolutely NO reason 4K60 oversampled shouldn’t be in this camera, especially for the price. I do agree with you though, I believe this feature will be in here at some point via full production unit or firmware.
Agreed. Jordan Drake has just come out confirming that it doesn't do 4K60 over samples.
This is one of the reasons why I cancelled my pre-order. It’s possible on the Nikon Z8 and Canon R5C. Readout speed is also faster on the Z8. Compared to the R5C, the R5 Mark II is also missing Dual ISO. I do much prefer the removable fan design of the R5 Mark II. I wish Panasonic did that to the GH7 to keep it portable for the times you don’t need to shoot longer videos.
Another thing to consider when choosing a brand to go with is what people you know or work with use, can you borrow their lenses. This was a big reason I originally chose canon, I had access to a sigma 800 mm and water housings amongst other things.
Hey Simon check out Vanessa Joy's latest video she had the canera longer than the folks who reviewed it at Phoenix. She and her team actually shot a wedding (stills & video) and after party 🥳. She discussed eye control auto focus, upscaling, and high ISO. She was super impressed 😇
yes that was a good video to watch
Z8 and the amazing lens Nikon has at the moment is reallly tempting me to totally switching over to Nikon.
I agree, at 3496, the Z8 looks very appealing. I;d suggest having a close look at the lenses before making your decision.
@@OrdinaryFilmmakerthe 180-600mm and the 800mm lens for wildlife are very appealing. Idk if I would fully switch. I do like the RF lens. Even though they are insanely overpriced at launch.
I’m almost in the same boat. I’m currently using an R7 and I tried Z8 + 800PF for a week and loved it for shooting birds. The only thing Z8 doesn’t check for me is raw pre-shooting, and I’m not sure if it is something that can be added in a firmware update down the road.
I switched from sony(A1,A7RV) to Nikon(2-Z8’s) and have no regrets. Getting way more keepers out of the Z8 with the 600mm and 800mm PF lenses compared to the A1 with the 200-600mm. Crop mode in 120fps video is amazing. A1 can’t crop in 120fps! So glad I switched especially with the Z6iii coming out at its price point and features. Sony and canon bodies just keep going up in price!
@@OverlandUnchartedit is absolutely insane how expensive canon gear is now
I will keep my still legendary nikon d700. No fails.
Thank you
I know all of us photographers have different wishes for the next camera to come out. For me was hoping for a much faster flash sync speed. With all the amazing things these new cameras can do. Why not?? I don't shoot video and need 120 fps But for just a photographer Image quality and Dynamic range is my #1's What I like about the Hasselblad X2D just an amazing photographers camera. If not for the big price and average AF I'd have one by now. Just an easy camera to use, super light weight 2000 or 4000 sync speed with best color, DR and IQ of any camera. Cameras today they try to please everyone in just one camera!!!
Not enough data/info yet to make an informed decision. What I would like to see you do is to go through all the patent applications you reported to us. What did and did not make it into the R5MII. Also, what about the subscription plans you reported. Will we have to pay to unlock all the features of the camera. Also, does Canon's implementation meet or exceed the specs. That will require a hands-on technical analysis.
I agree. I found that most review videos to be completely lacking in any any sort of detailed analysis. Peter McKinnon was one video that actually went a little bit further and through the use of Bero helped give me an idea of how good it was in terms of video capabilities I wish all these reviews were done on production units
I was tempted to switch to the Nikon Z8. The price is right and, for bird photographers, Nikon's lens selection is amazing. BUT . . . the Z8 is much heavier than the R5 and much larger. You can't use RAW in higher frame rates. And it offers fewer controls than the Canons and some dodgy ergonomics. So I'm staying with Canon. Rolling shutter is never an issue with mechanical shutter and the R5's mechanical shutter is very quiet. While I use the electronic shutter all the time in the R3, I never use it in the R5. I've never touched the red button, so video is irrelevant to me. Unless the R5ii blows the R5 out of the water right out of the box, I will compare the two for 30 days and see which one wins. To be honest, from the specs and the reviews it's a toss up, at this point, which one will stay.
I would not worry about the weight so much. The extra weight in the body won't be noticed as much when paired with good lenses, and does help with balance. I found the 70D too heavy when I first got it ... ;)
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker The one thing I don't like about the R3 (besides the low res) is that the added weight becomes very noticeable over the course of 6-hour bird photo sessions. An extra half pound (like the Z8 has) can become significant when you're talking hand-held mobility in the wild.
And Nikon’s autofocus is behind compared to Canon and Sony.
One thing that people are missing is that this camera is a couple of hundred dollars cheaper than the original R1 when you factor in inflation. The price is really good.
Are you referring to the iguana or the R5 Mark two? You are One is definitely in a much better price point yes. But they are five mark two even with inflation it's it's definitely a bit more a price hike than it should be. Keep in mind that inflation has gone up. The Japanese yen has absolutely crashed against the West dollar by some 30 to 50%.
It’s unfortunate the camera lcd hasn’t been updated.
It’s unfortunate there’s no variable shutter speed.
It’s unfortunate there’s no 8k 120 or 4k 240.
It’s unfortunate that it costs more than the R3 now and doesn’t have better Sensor readings. R3 is now $3,999 in cart USD.
It’s unfortunate it can only shoot 30 fps.
This may be one of those EOS R instances where the camera is better than the spec sheet.
yes. The resolution is fine, but a articulating screen like the Sony would be much appreciated
I feel that the R5ii is a milestone camera and the camera at 3-4k range to beat.
It can do it all, video and stills.
The only thing is I prefer Sony GM lenses to Canon RF L lenses in terms of weight/quality.
Simon, I’ve decided to cancel my preorder with Patrick and stick with my R5 mk I. I realize that as I get more into video, that my computer system and peripherals will have to be replaced to even render faster and easier and accommodate the larger files. That is my bottleneck at the moment, not the camera. In the meantime, as a hobbyist shooter, I can have just as much fun and satisfaction going out with my current R5,R7,RF 100-500 and 200-800 setup, even though I can appreciate the main advancement in the R5 mkII, the stacked sensor.
It depends. I spent a year editing 4K HQ on the M1 MacBook Air base model with 512 GB SSD, and it flew by. I don't know about Windows and Linux, but the processing power of the M1 is incredible and more than enough. I currently use the Mac Studio, but that's only because I need to export quickly for the channel. Just an FYI ;)
In contrast, I am still using the last intel chip based 27” iMac, so the fan runs all the time and takes quite a while if it is trying to render 4 or 8 k clips of 1 minute or more in length. So putting the money towards upgrading in this area is the best, if I want to continue to enjoy the hobby.
Most of the time I look at my camera from above. So i really missing a screen that flips up in one turn. Like on some Nikon/Sony models. Too bad...
I was really hoping to see that Sony a7r5 are five articulating screen. The best one on the marketplace in terms of how it moves around.
thank you... you are one of the better sources for camera information and reviews...
I really appreciate that. I take this seriously but I also enjoy it and I'm looking forward to making this my retirement gig one day.
Love this channel great information and always on top of current events. Keep up the good work 💯
Appreciate it!
Things no one is talking about:
- Canon said 16+ stops of dynamic range when shooting in 4k 30p fine. So no 16+ stops in other line skipped modes ?
- why not have 4k 60p oversampled like the r5c when r5ii has faster processing with digic accelerator ? Could this come in a fw update or a legit cripple ?
- does it still overheat in 4k 24 fine easily ?
- does it overheat in 2k Fine modes ?
You might be right. But at this point, the information that I have is to fluid. Not doing over sample 4K60 in my view would be a huge mistake so it wouldn't impact me.
Upgrade? Yes! 4.800 Euro gross in Germany? No! Normal price? Around 4.200 - 4.400 EUR in my view. I wait.
Get the Z 8.
@@KamenKunchev I'm fully invested in the RF system but yes heard a lot of good stuff of the Z8.
A lot more expensive than the Z8, which is surprising, but consider folks buying the A1 for $6,499. The R52 offers pretty much everything the A1 does but much cheaper. At the end of the day, the R5 MK1 is 28 99 and it serves most people very well. Refurbished and used units will sell for less.
Both R5s are good cameras and just because the R5 II is in many ways better does not mean the R5 is not a good camera. Specifically, the AF on the R5 II is better in certain circumstance, but the R5 I still has an amazing AF in most situations.
Yes...the R5 is still a beast of a camera. Just because there are new models popping up every now and then it does not mean earlier camera models are obsolete every 3 -4 years.
R5 2 will stop clients moving from canon to sony or nikon. The problem is they could have released atleast one year before. Canon lost many clients. If they would reduce 300usd to 500 usd price of L series lenses third party lenses aren't really a necessity
Yes it is WORTH the upgrade
majorities of the comments are video features related, and it doesn't make sense to compare R5 against the R5 Mk II. the suggestion should base on user case for photography or videography people... and he seems to pitch MK II a lot... it seems the video is bias toward the MK II
That's true a lot of the enhancements are related. But a stack sensor is a huge benefit to photographers. As is the auto focus system.
Oh man, that was hilarious. When you got to the part at 15:01, when you said, "or should you go Sony." It went to an ad for Sony Playstation. Great video with great detail and research.
lol. That's hilarious. The only reason I put in that facepalm clip anyways is because I needed to do a transition without a jump cut. I'm not really making fun of Sony because Sony is doing so well.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I did not take it as making fun of Sony. It was just perfect timing with the facepalm going into an ad by Sony.
I am hoping that the R5 Mk II will solve the problems I am having. I have been looking into all other systems because video has been so limited on the Canon cameras. I need something that can record a couple hour ballet performance. I'm still hesitant on my pre-order and am still considering switching camera systems to be able to record what I need. Hopefully, this camera will be what I need. I don't really want to switch systems and have no clue what to switch to.
Simon,
I agree that the 5D Mark II has made some significant improvements for video shooters such as yourself. However, the original R5 can be had new for $2400 and LN for $2100 right now. The focus system for stills on the original R5 is already excellent and when shooting with flash and high speed sync most of us have been achieving great 14 bit sensor images, Now I know that you video shooters are happy about C-Log2 capabilities but you simply can't get true 16 bit dynamic range from 14 bit sensors. You can improve noise reduction and mathematically simulate it. I welcome all of the additions from the R3 camera. The R3 sensor at 45 MP and slightly slower readout than the R3s 1/180s. At 1/160s the R5 Mark II is much faster in electronic shutter readout than the 1/60s of the original R5 but still much slower than the Z8 or even the older Sony A9 II at a higher cost.
Overall, I think that Canon has upped their game for video shooters like you and left us primarily stills photographers unmotivated to spend twice the price of an R5 for the R5 Mark II. The R1 is similar when compared to the R3. Some nice focus improvements but its $2300-$2600 more expensive.
If I was making a living off of these cameras and shooting like I used to at prestigious events alongside other pros I would consider the upgrade but I honestly am struggling to justify these cameras at their introductory prices as a stills shooter when I can get 90-95% of what most people need for less or more from other manufacturers. Right now Sony Bodies with adapted Canon EF-L glass is very attractive and costs a lot less. I also think that the R5 really needs two grips if you are a hybrid shooter. Namely the fan grip for video and one of the other two for vertical stills. That adds another chunk of change when you buy all of those extra batteries needed for some of the new features.
Not what I was hoping for and I feel like maybe Canon should just use Sony Sensors as they have fallen behind.
Tbh no. I should definitely get the a7v as soon as it releases
The Sony S7 five is going to do so very well when it comes out.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker i think so too. I love canon cameras but the the r5mk2 has no feature that I think will it seperate for too long from the competition and with the continued embargo of third party FF lenses canon is literally begging me to leave 🥲
The only thing I wish on the MKI is the pre-shooting buffer. Otherwise I’m fine.
I was initially encouraged by the news of the R5 II... but the more I hear about it from different sources the more I think I'll just stick with my set of original R5s.
You might wanna wait until some of the dust has settled. The problem with making definitive statements about the camera is troublesome when all we have is a preproduction units out there. We also have Canon Europe, making contradictory statements and print.
It really depends what you use the camera for as subject matter. If you use it for studio or landscapes I see no reason to upgrade. For work where you need to capture the moment (weddings, sports, wildlife) the R5 Mk2 has a few advantages (e.g., RAW pre-capture, stacked sensor, better AF tracking).
The “wow” of the r5 2 camera is just the price. It’s a good camera but I’ll wait for a sale.. at least
Yeah, good point. There will be sales plenty of them. The best chance for sale this year is black Friday.
Thanks Simon, always like your videos because you are honest. Im thinking on a camera. I have a wide interest, wildlife, micro. Im retiried too an old film guy. I was so use to shooting at 400 iso. Have to learn the new way, god I miss my mom. And pop camera store. They would lend me lenses to try. Lets say 40 years ago a 699 camera body was expensive for a 16 year old. Again simon thanks for the work you do.still have my old canon 300 D. Tamron 28-200.
I appreciate that Michael. I'm no different from you and all the other viewers. We just try to get information and try to be transparent with it. I do make my mistakes, but I'm also honest about those and I think that's what anybody wants somebody who's gonna give them the straight goods from their viewp I'm looking to have a few things clarified specifically that ibis wobble and whether the cannon are does actually deliver over sampled 8K video to the 4K modes and which modes get it
It will be great to be able to shoot so fast that I cant write full size files to both cards without waiting 30 seconds for the buffer to clear
Oh my God, I can just imagine the time sifting through all these images.
It has plenty of features I like, but the 179mp post shot upscaling is disappointing and not as good as can be done in post on a computer, from a few of the examples that have been posted, similarly with the post shot noise reduction.
Hi Simon, when the AF improvements work as good for birds as they seem to do for sports then I definitely want this new Canon tech. But my mark 1 isn't yet 2 years old and swapping would cost me dearly .. When within a year an R7ii comes out with nearly the same tech, I might be better off getting that one for birding and keeping the R5i for landscapes where the improvements in AF and rolling shutter are not as relevant.
I am so confused about the lack of 4k 60p oversampling. The Z8 and even the Canon R5 C can do it. It is just a weird omission in my opinion. I've been testing the waters with the Nikon Z8 and it has that feature so I use that the most for B-Roll. Idk what to do on this one. I expected Canon to leap frog the Z8 or a least push beyond it, but it really is more of a match. It is better in some ways and worse in others.
Me too. According to Jordan Drake it just does 4K30 just like the Mark one.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker the only thing I can think of is that it still would overheat some and they didn't want the bad press. People understand 8k 60 overheating, but 4k 60 HQ they may not understand as much. I'd love to think they'd add it in a firmware, but you can't really buy a camera hoping that firmware will save it.
For me the R5 Mk2 is a mini-R1 with higher resolution. While it does not have 40 fps, a deep buffer (1000+ frames) , a state-of-the-art EVF with improved Eye Detection AF, and cross-type AF sensors the smaller form factor and higher resolution makes for a very solid camera.
My only concern with the R5 Mk2 is the (very) limited buffer of 93 frames with RAW. Canon should do better and provide users with 200 frame buffer especially given the fact that the camera can shoot at 30 fps and has pre-capture. With pre-capture enabled (15 frames), one is left with only 78 frames or a 2.5 sec buffer at 30 fps.
I will likely set the camera to 20 fps so I can have 10 shot pre-captures and 4 second buffer. With that said the Nikon Z8 in lossless RAW only has a 81 frame buffer per the Nikon users manual.
I am excited for Sony A7V.
Hope they can come up with A7V (Premium) where you get a stack sensor, pro grade build quality, higher res screen and evf and the tilt flip screen.
They already do it is called an A1.
@@user-pg4zh2tk2w lol. So, from $2499 with premium it becomes $6000+?
I hate the occasional jumpy focus tracking of my R5. However, I am not shelling out $4,300 USD for just autofocus improvements. As a stills shooter, there aren't enough impactful improvements in the R5II for my use. Frankly, most items on my wish list seem to be pointing me to the A7RV instead. So, I may be heading to Sony.
The R5 has less noise and better DR. The Mark II is faster and had a better AF system. I want to see digital ND and GND filter in the Mark III. I have reported that many times to Canon within the last years, but nothing happend. We even not get better DR and less noise with the new sensor. If you are in weddings, portraits, product and food photography, landscapes or low light images, then there is no need to replace the R5 with the Mark II. If you are in wildlife, action and sports, then the updates make sense.
Just out of curiosity, did Canon finally address the "no sound option in Electronic Shutter mode" problem ?
That was freaking rediculous ! Personally speaking, I flat out could not use Electronic Shutter mode, just because of this one stupid thing. They kept saying it might be fixed with a software update, but so far as i know, it never was.
Obviously that problem was solved when I started using my much cheaper R7's. Of course the much bigger problem of never having enough reach was solved too.
I don't recall. I remember hearing something in a few videos about quiet operation which we already have at 20 frames per second electronic. But if there's a sound option, I honestly don't recall. I need to get a hold of the camera.
I’m not sure Canon didn’t say 5:08 that they can track a 1 1/2 inch golf ball? Yes basketball, baseball football soccer or volleyball but a golf ball I don’t think so!
I'm upgrading because they finally got rid of the stupid 30 min recording limit😂 Seriously though, it looks like they mark II will have very impressive hgh iso capabilities for such a hgh res camera. I'm very curious about the new ai driven noise reduction and upscaling. Looks very interesting!
I don’t need, or want video capabilities, yet I still have to subsidize those who do. I want a dedicated photo camera.
I doubt that either Nikon, Canon, or Sony will ever make a dedicated photo camera. Leica makes dedicated photo cameras (M-series), but they are very expensive.
What really p**ses me off with canon is ANOTHER new grip and ANOTHER new battery is required to access all the new features, batteries are the biggest rip off ever, for that reason I'm out
Canon R3 owners soon to be Canon R1 owners are not complaining. In this case it’s the same superior battery
And, because of the new multi-function shoe, you get the opportunity to spend quite a lot on an adapter, so you can continue to use your flash accessories that worked fine with your older bodies.
@@CrowPal I rarely use flash so I didn't know you need an adapter to use flashes, I use a GPE2 GPS module as I travel a lot so that's another issue
@@CrowPal.Why do you think a smart hot shoe will require new accessories? All the pictures show they didn’t change the size and did what they did with the M6, place the new data pins under the front protected area of the hot shoe. My old M6 could use the same units as my 6D, R5, and R7.
@@thetruckingphotographer148 you can still use the hot shoe with older flash but it will not be weather sealed. For indoor studio it makes no difference in that case. No need for the adapter.
Of course you’re going to buy it 🙂
If only they could have figured out a way to turn off the IBIS individually from the Lens stabilization to get rid of the wobble. Then I would have totally go for the R5II over the R5C. That would have made it a perfect camera but they flunk it.
Once I get the camera, the ibis wobble is one of the first things I'll test. It was utterly atrocious in the Mark one to the point where I never shoot below 35 mm. That's irritating.
Well we've seen that the new R1 still does not have a Global shutter so rolling shutter will still be an Issue and is preventing it from being more then a R3 Mk II!. Its also 30% more expensive compared to the prior version of the R1 and you can get Nikon's equivalent (Z8 I think) for about 1/3 the price at $2,500. So, I have to seriously consider Nikon since Canon is raising prices and not providing equivalent value compared to other manufacturers at equivalent price points. I am expecting the R10 Mk II to be a minor feature update rather then a total rethink of what a entry level camera should be plus I am expecting a 30% price increase for little or no additional value. This will place it in the $CDN2,000 range from the current $CDN1050 range for the body alone. Considering I can get the iPhone 16 Pro a month later after the R10 debut for about $1,200 and get 80% of the features for 2/34 of the anticipated price. I am also looking quite seriously at the Sony ZV E-10 II as an alternative since I can get third party lenses s for it affordably.Good luck Canon is all I can say.
Regarding AI upscaling:
The R5 Mark I got a HighRes mode with a firmware update. For me it looked like a beta version and I did not understand why the published it. However: As far as I could figure out this mode was removed with the R5 Mark II. That could mean there is a HighRes R Camera in the pipeline. Or it could mean Canon was not able to implement it in high quality. So they decided to ship the camera with an AI upscaling - just for those who wanted the HighRes mode in the Mark II.
Or an alternative explanation is that they went with an upscaling approach so one can upscale a single image and upscale photos of moving subjects in camera.
Yeah, it’s a definitely a hard pass for me. I’m really disappointed in this Mark 2 I’ll keep my Mk 1
For videographers an interesting update for photographers not really so far and I don't need any of the gimmicks like internal upscaling and noise reduction. 16 stops dynamic range we need as landscape photographers but not in video. I wait for some tests but I think to keep my money in the bank until a R1s or R5s is suddenly appearing. The R5 II is also very expensive in Europe.
These all sound like good capabilities, but until I get the camera, I won't know how much of a difference Canon Log 2 makes. Waiting for testes of production units is wise. I'm most curious about the autofocus, Canon log 2 and IBIS wobble being fixed.
@@OrdinaryFilmmakeryes the AF is of course also for photographers very interesting and for me especially in very low light. I look forward to the first tests. Possible they will convince me.
Remember you had a $10,000 PRE-ORDER for the R1? Guess that order got canceled. Although it is a premium camera for Sports shooters and photojournalism. Congrats of the over 50K subs. I remember when you started out...
Yes. I did cancel that. At the time it sounded like the R1 was going to be the master of everything a Nikon Z9 like competitor. But the current camera is clearly aimed at sports and fast action photographers of which I am not. I would say that kind of scenario makes up 2% of what I shoot. So I'm just gonna put my money into the five mark two instead
I can't remember where I heard, but someone with the pre-production R5ii stated theirs overheated indoors with AC when using preshooting after 30mins or so in 4k. I also went blasting around looking at every video I could find on the R5ii, and this info came from the comments section on one of them. But Pete's was the first I watched immediately after your livestream.
I think it still overheats at 30min hence, why you will require the cooling grip to extend time to 2 hours.
I switched two years ago from the R5 to the R5C mainly because in 8K-RAW 30fps, I was getting overheating warnings. I don't shoot a lot, but when I take a video, I now do it for 90% with the R5C in 8K-RAW 60fps. I really like (at least on paper) the 16-step DR and the AF, including animal-AF in the R5ii. So, I preordered the R5MKII. But I saw that the grip with the cooling system will extend the overheating in 8K-RAW 60fps from 18 to 21 minutes. This is shocking for me as in 4K, the BG extends the record time by a factor of 3x, and in my mode, only 3 minutes... If this is not a mistake, then I'll probably quit my preorder. I could live with the R5ii if it extens the recording time to around 1h with the ventilated BG, but 21 minutes is not what I want. CLOG-2 sounds great, but 8K-RAW 60fps is the main thing that I want to use...
With my line of work I’ll stick to my R5C. However what really caught my interest is the new LPE6P batteries. Canon sales hasn’t gotten the manuals yet so they couldn’t confirm but what I’m hoping is that it will support 8K60 without PD on the R5C. Should be finding out soon 🙌🏼.
Canon is said that they will issue a firmer update so other older cameras will support the new batteries. I really hope they do that for the R5 so you can record internally all resolutions.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker this would be amazing, let’s see! Would be a huge win for the R5C owners
Just the 8k60p with clog 2 , 4k raw and the cooling grip is the main reasons to upgrade from r5 for
You know, I kind of overlooked that 4K RAW. I found that very interesting and that is very compelling. Again once I get this camera in hand, I'll better be able to determine how useful this is for me and all that kind of wonderful stuff I hardly used because the files were way too big to work with.
First: Happy Birthday! Second: does either camera have focus breathing compensation? Canon lenses breathe a lot, so that's pretty important to me. But I've seen no reviews comment on it. Thanks.
informative content thanks Simon.
While the AF maybe better for sports - I've not seen a review that says or claims it would be better for Wildlife over the mark 1 and Wildlife is all I do so I also worry about the "real world" application of the new AF system - especially since it doesn't have Cross Point like the R1? - I only need 4k FHD for a few videos as well - for me the 4300 would be better spent on a 2.8 lens
Is r5 ii worth the price, specially in India where it is INR 4.05 lakh vs Nikon Z9 is coming at 4.1 Lakh. What do you think?
The only person to answer that question is you. I don't know your business, revenue potential, gear used by your competition, or what you need. This video pointed out issues fixed with the MK1. On paper its enough for me, but until we have production cameras and the feature set finalized, we won't know for sure.
For me, there is no decision to be made. I shoot video and have a GH6... it's def gimped without a decent autofocus... but the IBIS is superior, and I have great glass including vintage Zeiss Jena 35 that is, well... amazing. So manual for ma anyway. Canon is VERY close with the R5 Mark II... but the price just doesn't justify having to switch to RF lenses, new batteries, cooling grip, etc.
Beside... let's be honest. There is one player left to answer the offerings of Nikon, Panasonic, and Canon... I suspect Sony will be announcing soon... and I highly expect the A7S4 or FX4 to simply make that jump that makes people shake their head at Canon. Especially when given the 3rd party lens manufacturers that are pushing out so many fine, affordable lens options.
Bottom line... Canon did release enough in the R5 Mark II to warrant switching to Canon. Instead it's a wait and see for me. But even id Sony misses... costwise, I just can't see switching to Canon when the L mount alliance is growing, and I'm already invested in Lumix. Again... I am strictly a video shooter... photography doesn't interest me in the least.
When it comes to video, you really should compare the R5 C vs the R5 II because then the difference is not that much compared to the first R5 (I own both). The R5 C already has better dynamic range than the R5, oversampled 4K60, 24bit 4-Channel Audio, the Tally-Light, the new Multi-Function-Hot-Shoe, dedicated photo/video switch, ... and the footage looks somehow more cinematic than the R5 which looks more video like (so I am really interested in comparisons of the R5 C in CLog3 vs the R5 II in CLog2).
The only two things I find missing on the R5 C is the full size HDMI and Canon Log 2... the Autofocus and read out speed I find already good enough... and most importantly I don't want to give up the CinemaOS and that's why I will wait for the R5 C II which I hope will have in addition an internal ND-Filter instead of IBIS.
I agree with you here and that's why I'll keep the R5C and sell my R5. If the R5MK2 could do raw 120 in apsc mode or super high quality 4k in 120, that'd be something, but it can't.
The r5ii doesn't have a fan, the battery grip has a fan. A horrible money grab by Canon. They could have made it a standalone body similar to R5c.
I would speculate that not many photographers would want a camera with a built in fan due to weather resistance. I am glad that Canon makes an accessory for increased video duration.
I can't wait for canon r5 mark3 maybe coming 2028
Same here 😂
I would bet there are a ton of still photographers who would appreciate a camera geared to them instead of these hybrid cameras. They even put out cameras specifically geared to video but never the other way around. Seems like this is all about video capabilities as always....Great advice to check the lens roadmap. How many people here are planning to drop $4300 for this and then moan about not being able to buy a cheap third party lens. So backwards! Your preorder experience is probably skewed heavily to Canon because the majority of the viewers here are fiercely loyal to the brand. I am sure the Z8 is selling very well, and its over a year old and $800 cheaper
Yes, but the number of still photographers is clearly shrinking.
With the limitations the R5ii has I have no doubt the R5Cii will come
Agreed. The one source I had was a little bit over aggressive with blurring the lines between the R5 and the R5 C.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker fingers crossed!
Some negativity from users, but I like it very much! thanks Simon!
Well, that all can be expected Paul. We all have different viewpoints and capabilities that we need met thankfully, despite a declining market, we still have a lot of options.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I always appreciate your insight into the camera and lens world!