I think Model 3 Performance need "Track Package" like the Model S Plaid, to have bigger brake kit + more aggressive alignment + different software calibration. Otherwise for now this is mainly to embarrass supercar off traffic light, and embarrass itself on the circuit.
Damn, I love the accent of the owner. It's absolutely unique and sounds very clear and distinctive. Love the new colour on the M3P as well. Tesla needs to come up with a track pack with upgraded brakes and pads ASAP!
for this youtube channel, probably. but outside of youtube, chinese car xiaomi su7 has a much faster record and that car does not give driver much feedback when the brake pad is gone.
Look at me … now I am getting excited about disk upgrade on a Tesla. The current setup doesn’t seem to be the name performance worthy. Live the enthusiasm of the owner. Keep us up to date!!
What it needs is a braking grid, like a diesel locomotive, then the braking problem will be solved, but everything else will overheat instead! Aren't electric cars awesome?
@@Itsallfun3000 a bmw m3 does not even have batteries and weights 1850kg as well. What are you talking about? Other discs and more heat resistant pads and it will work. For the normal user this pads have to work at -20° and braking hard on cold pads.
@@bbokdoongI wasn’t saying it’s not justified. The thing I’m getting at is that it’s not really all that useful to compare cars that are in very different price ranges and then say the more expensive one is better. I’m totally on board that the N is better and I’m not really a fan of Teslas, but it’s a bit of a silly comparison.
Not even just ‘underbraked’ but dangerously ‘underbraked’ especially when it’s marketed as a ‘performance’ car. Even still the RS3 coped with the track, just a noticeable amount of fade of which they learnt from, unlike Tesla. Someone’s bound to crash once the brakes go kaput
@@sickbozzerthe Model 3 just isnt a track car. If you want a daily thst you can easily use as a serious track car, you need an M3. But its way more expensive than a Model 3.
@@VaporwareMartinez M3 isn't a serious track car. Nor is an Audi RS3. But they come with brakes that suit the power they put down, along with the weight. Just unacceptable for the price of the car and the tag that comes along with it.
Seeing that it was set on 3/4 regen., if I'm interpreting the display correctly, it's kind of crazy that the disc brake performance went that fast. Suspension seems very compliant and yet not boaty though, which is a mixture of qualities I always appreciate.
The problem is that the battery was quite full in the beginning. Therefore only 90 kW of regen could be used for braking. If you start with 80 % or less SoC then the normal brakes should last longer.
Why is everyone saying the PERFORMANCE model needs a track pack with better brakes? Bro, this is the PERFORMANCE model, it should already have some sort of track pack with the best brakes it can 🤷♂️
absolutely not, as tesla stated this car is not for the track and in real life you never need the brakes, there are literally millions of teslas with 300k miles on the first brake pads.
The fact that Ioniq5N can complete 2 laps of Nurburgring without the overheating and braking issues contrary to this Tesla makes me surprised! Good job Hyundai!
@@curvetrcalinga re: "Well Hyundai has professional motorsports program" exactly like the wisemen say (translation: ME) "racing improves the breed..." in stark contrast overspending to buy Twitter does not.
I guess the Ioniq 5 N would be the performance electric car to get, right? Just costs a tiny bit more but way more power, lasts 2 full laps, and even has the simulated ICE dual clutch experience as well. I like Tesla but for having fun it seems like every reviewer absolutely loves the Ioniq 5 N and it seems to offer objectively way more than the Tesla model 3 performance.
@@senadhasanbasic260 If you like the fake gearbox, for sure. Otherwise Multilink/double wishbone of the Tesla remains superior to MacPherson strut imo.
@@rkan2 Ioniq does 2 ringlaps with no reduce in power. Clearly superior to the Tesla. The fake gearbox is a stupid gimmick, but Teslas are full of worthless gimmicks marketed as 'groundbreaking technology'
@@rkan2 hmm... I think Germany's TUV inspection revealed that Tesla had most # of defects with double wishbone and brake disc last two cycles (model s in 2022, model 3 in 2023).
@@tooltalk Yes, it is no surprise since there is more than double the amount of bushings in the front and you do not need to have service visits to maintain your warranty. MacPherson was always cheaper to manufacture and maintain, but it cannot give the same level of control over suspension geometry. I never said you can have it all.
Horrible, didn't expect this from a newer Model 3 especially when considering that the old one was beating Taycan Turbo S on some Japan prix if I remember correctly because of cooling advantage...
@@lukabosnjak3829 Agreed, didn't take much to overwhelm the cooling both in batteries and in braking. I guess I hoped this performance version would address these basic hurdles. It's clear the "Performance" designation is street performance = everyday driving, not for track use. Hyundai's N-line is better suited to track abuse.
this is insane so many people thinking they are smart and laughing at the tesla while it is literally the best sports car ever made period ther car is not supposed to be used like this it is made for the real world and it performs insanely well there, even the old one was faster than huracan or GT3 RS 0-60, now it even handles like a marvel. it is absolutly pointless what you fgolks are pointing out, because the reason is you have no clue whatsoever. on a track you need the brakes, which this car lacks because its not made for the track like the plaid with package. in the real world you never need the brakes. with amazing brakes the heating is gone. also ICE rdrivers need to learn to not push n ev full throttle all the time, the power is just too much, even hyundai said this, cooling is everything in an ev on a track because of the insane power, litereally nothing else matters.
How has tesla not learned its lesson yet? The brakes were the main complaint of basically every single one of the brands performance models. They really need to give these cars better brakes, or at least better brake cooling.
I guess they just figure the real track guys will upgrade them and its just wasted money, weight, and space for 99% of the buyers that stick to the street... Not sure I agree with that logic, but it seems that's the way they went.
Thank you so much. I have the new MP3 in Australia and will be taking it to a small handling circuit next week. My previous car, stock i30N had brake fade here after 3 hard laps but was manageable by braking a bit earlier. I think Tesla should recall and upgrade these cars if they’re not built for purpose as advertised. The problem is they’re playing a numbers game here, most performance car owners (probably 99%) never track their cars. Did the owner of this car bed the brakes in at all? What level of regen was used on this lap?
Still a bit of an embarrassment that it can’t even do 1/4 or 1/2 without loosing brakes or power due to limitations. Struggled to take a fiesta in the end 😂
It has but as well it consumes a lot more energy per 100km. So the question is what triggers the owner more… A better break can be added afterwaeds. Better aero as well but this usually is a lot more complicated…
Tesla, the following realization occurs to me: The vehicles are built and tested in California. The developers themselves, who certainly drive these vehicles privately, drive them in this region, with the US mindset Performance means drag race (1/4 & 1/2 mile), speed means 85 mph (137 km/h) more is not allowed anyway. And no one needs a working automatic windshield wiper, it never rains in California anyway.
Ahhh, the truth! They do a lot of work on keeping the car cool, but a lot of improvements to heating/de-icing actually came rather late. Very much a California car, but still a very nice car in many ways. You would think it'd have more performant cooling though given the climate it was designed in! I guess is 99% of owners are never going to take it to a track then the lack of track brakes makes sense, the stock brakes work fine for drag racing.
In Turkey we have Körfez Track. Teslas are coming and going very soon because of breake failure. All Teslas need to upgrade disks for track use I guess.
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@@dar7279 You can spend $30k to modify M3P, and it still won't be as capable as I5N on the track. And M3P won't have any warranty after the modification.
The second lap with BBK will be way better, at least from brakes point of view. 😉 BTW, being Misha's passenger is a great experience and I have to say it wasn't too much dangerous at any point in the lap. Yes, the brakes faded, but Misha noticed right away and accommodated to that limitation immediatelly.
@@ic3kendeethe bateries finished the lap at 56deg C, which is at least 4 degrees below the 60deg C BMS hard limit. But we still had some Tesla surprises in the second lap.
Even though teslas regen method is excellent for daily driving, its not actually ideal. As nice as the one pedal driving is, its actually better to coast on the highways than to regen. Regen is more useful and efficient in low speed driving. Furthermore Teslas dont actually regen to a high degree. Something like the Ioniq 5 N regens significantly more with the N pedal or whatever. That helps a ton on track because it uses the brakes a lot less
@@MrPhatties I'm sure it does. But like when you aren't going for the fastest time the high Regen is nice because it conserved brakes and also kicked the back end out to square off. It's not perfect but it's a good thing to have the option of
That happens when you buy a car that only was build to beat cars on the straight ... Tesla is and never will be a Racecar for a Track, no matter how many Performance Pack they put on it
People buy these cars to drive to work and home and quickly have an instant burst of acceleration in traffic or at light. They have 911 at home for the weekend. Well, I do and many others i know.
The M3P is more of a performance "line" with short overboost capability. And that's okay, especially for the price, you shouldn't expect more than that. The ioniq 5 n is an absolute exception, it is unfair to compare other vehicles with this one in terms of price and real track performance. Nobody can build and offer a car with this skills unter 90k, personally I don't think Hyundai either. It is an image carrier. Just have to look at Pikes Peak and see what the vehicle did there. The series ioniq 5 N (with standard tires) was faster than a radically converted Tesla Model S Plaid.
Agree with some of the comments that the refreshed M3P is a monster at acclerating, but it needs a set of brakes that can handle multiple high speed brake applications for a 2+ ton car. Tesla needs this as an option for the M3P.
as TEsla officialy stated this is the fiirst car that is made for cornering as well, but they also said it is not for a track like the plaid with package. it is for the real world where you never need the brakes. so, nothing is clear at all. people lack education and need to learn ev's. before talking like you
Most EVs need expensive carbon ceramic brakes to be driven in the track extensively except Ioniq 5N. Ioniq 5N has 0.6g regen brakes that can share the load with the mechanical brakes.
That's not an exclusive EV problem, more like any modern high powered car. An above 2 tonnes RS6 or a BMW M5 wouldn't do too well without it's carbon ceramics. Steel brakes would at the very least be a huge unsprung weight penalty.
Yes, +60 °C is full power limit (UK owner asked Tesla). Nice lap for a stock car and there is apparenly what what you get - heatpump is underpowered to could batrery down. I did not know, that in +50°C the power restriction kicks already in. The only way would be modding of the heat pump and/or intercooler on battery loop. The car is very quiet over 200 km/h speeds. Stock suspension bottoms out relatively easily on top speeds (from other videos), so be careful out there if not upgraded.
Modding the cooling circuit only gives you marginal gains as the limits are hard coded into the software, where the charge/discharge power of the battery is measured and once a ' summed limit' is exceeded, power is de-rated.
@@694tommie There is a video about that, already. Gutted M3P 2024, upgraded Brembo brakes (no regen), suspension and tires. Could not finish Nürburgring w/o overheating to +60 °C "max limp mode"/power reduction. And there was yellow flags/congestion in begin of the lap.
wow people have no idea they are laughing at the very best sport car ever made because they lack even the slightest clue whatsoever, goddamn are you all a bunch of loosers haha
I’ve owned a Model 3 for years and I drive it spiritedly. Also driven most every Tesla modal. The brakes are a weak point on all of them. Most people who drive them normally rely on the regen braking and don’t need to touch the crappy mechanical brakes. Hit the track and it’s a different story. Brake upgrades / track packs are a must on these cars for hard driving.
I have seen 405kW there for a brief time, so the power is really good. It would just need some special race mode which will force cooling into max power even before the drive, to really cool the battery. The way Ioniq 5N does it.
they're probably displaying pack power so you need to account for losses in the cables to the inverters, inverter losses, motor losses, and cooling system draw before you even get to motor electrical power, let alone mechanical motor power, and then you still have the whole mechanical side of the powertrain
You just gonna ignore all the other issues those cars have? Tesla makes amazing cars. You can't ignore the fact that the new model 3 has amazing sets of coil overs. Just because there's one issue doesn't mean it's all bad. It's very common for Teslas to overheat the brakes when you push it. The brake pistons are great, they bite hard and make you stop, they just overheat easily. For daily driving that's perfect, decent brakes, but can bite when needed.
@@TeJoeTheHoeso a Tesla Performance isnt a Performance car basically. The Lucid weighs half a ton more and performed better on the ring. So either the Lucid is a masterpiece or the Tesla aint great.
Tesla made the car for the average joe, not the car enthusiast that pushes the car to its limits, so they can get away with brakes that overheat. If you want to go fast, get better brakes.
@@TeJoeTheHoeproblem is that Teslaadvertisers like Jason Cammisa from Hagerty say that the Model 3 makes the Bmw M3 'irrelevant'... While the M3 Xdrive is faster in straights and faster and more capable on tracks. Biased Teslapropaganda is the problem.
So the Ioniq 5 N is 10k more in Germany and is a real performance car. I don't think it's even competition because you would need to compare to a Model Y but still
it’s more like 15k, but to be fair tesla itself says don’t use the brakes for track because the brake pads are designed for one or emergency brakes because in normal driving situations you don’t use brakes at all
I drive a Tesla model 3 and a g80. This is why a Tesla can’t keep up with the g80. It’s not about the 0-100 performance. It’s about the whole package. If you are buying a Tesla, you are only looking at the boobs, if you know what I am talking about.
has nothing to do with the boobs . saving about 2000euro a year on fuel is what does it for me . ( had my 2019 m3p since new , and now got 80 000km on it so yea i have saved quite a lot over the years compared to my old combustion engine car . )
I OWN both. Handling is just as good as my G80. Look at the title Einstein. Brakes are the only thing not ready for the Nurburgring. Use your brain bud.
Soon I'll get my answer from the court here in Norway if I win my case against Tesla for the horrible brakes on my Plaid. Long story short; it was markedet as a car you could drive on the track, but the brakes overheat after two corners. Hopefully a win here will get them to improve brakes on all their "track cars".
@@safakhan3088 thanks. Luckily we have amazing consumer rights in Norway, including a free court for consumer cases. We also have a law that states that if something is marketed as X and that's why a consumer bought the product, the buyer can make the seller buy it back at cost. Considering the "going Plaid" video includes like 30% track footage with no * stating that better brakes are needed I think I have a good case. I also got a unbiased report from amcar club of Norway stating for a fact that the brakes are way too small (based on the horsepower and weight of the car) for any kind of track driving.
@@rkan2 it's with forbrukerklageutvalget now. They will review all the evidence that I have submitted, along with the unbiased/expert report on the brakes and come to a verdict. If I don't win, I have only lost some time. I hope and think I have a good case though. Will know in like 6 months time I think (long que).
But Porsche doesnt have fake pops and bangs on the speakers and fake combustion engine sounds tho...... thats the new benchmark for an "performance ev? ... 😂😂🤷♂️
@@G82Watts lol look at this porsche sales rep... your taycan turbo GT cost MORE than 4 times the price of 1 tesla model 3 performance ! for this price you can buy 2 teslas, one daily and one track focus on which you will have the budget to put carbon big brakes, carbon wheels, lexan all around and a full carbon body kit, big wing active aero and better custom made cooling system, you will still have the money to buy a FUCKING HOUSE !
Ioniq 5N is simple steel brake, and much more heavier. But brake didn't fade and battery didn't over heat. As a daily car? maybe M3P is good, but as a track toy? 5N is better choice i think.
Tesla braucht ein Track Paket als Option mit großen bremsen ggf sogar carbon, extra kühlsystem, reifen und aufhängung dann wäre es auch was für den track sonst ist es nur für die Ampel...
The fact that the brakes sucked on the new tesla models came up early on and what's worse that they didn't seem to upgrade them for the new model, and that it is being left to customers to fix is not good compared to the price
you could not be more wrong it is literally the best performance car out there beating huracan 580 and porsche gt3 rs, well even the old one did, this one is even faster. this is all how it should be, the m3p is not for the track as Tesla stated. it would make no sense. that is like including a charger with an iphone when 99.99% alrteady have 5 of them laying arround everywhere. you see
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl No one cares bro, stop yapping. Carguys care how a 'performance' car performs on tracks. And this shitbox got dusted by an old M2 right at the beginning.
It's absolutely brilliant. Nice to see even telsa have heat and brake issues. Great lap just goes to show this track is awesome for testing cars to their limits. ❤
"even tesla" - You say that as if Tesla isn't know for being a low quality garbage brand that invented overheating and brake issues basically. No other EV has those issues.
That is not true. You can always fit a larger coolant pump, and the cooling strategy is programmable. Once you break the car down into its individual subsystems and you'll realize that you can modify almost everything.
It’s a great verdict. It’s really fast in public roads and has a great seating position + visibility. Breakers can be changed. You could either start with a lower SOC and take in more regen (save the brakes) but also risk overheating Battery. I Brakes are upgraded, turn off regen, start with full battery (higher SOC means higher voltage, thus lower Amps and lower heat loss). You also might wanna start with a colder battery (can it pre cool?) I’d be curious to see the differences.
Hi Misha! Thank you for making these awesome videos! One thing that stands out to me is the glare in some of your videos. We all know about a polarized glasses for this exact problem. I believe a polarized camera case, lense or film would make your videos much clearer, more enjoyable, and professional. Keep up the great work! 🇨🇿🇺🇸
Awesome! I just picked up identical M3P in Ultra Red and gave back my 2021 M3P. The diff is not incremental but monumental! I'd love to see the video after upgraded brakes! Will be watching!
I believe Brembo supplies both the calipers and the pads, so I'm not sure why Brembo wouldn't spec a better pad compound. Unless Tesla asked them to prioritize characteristics like brake noise and dust. Of course its possible there is also a big difference in cost, and Tesla wanted to hit a certain price point for this car.
@@jk9436Should still be able to discern a Multilink/Double wishbone from a MacPherson strut :P The new Model 3 only changed suspension bushes and the adaptive shock absorbers AFAIK.
Just made a test drive today! It’s an huge upgrade from predecessor! Honestly yes brakes still shit, but only if you drive like a race driver, full throttle brake just inside the corner and full throttle again. I made a nice funny drive in country roads with some corners just by using 90% regenerative braking. Its not like an M3/M2 but its fine! You can have a nice daily with some pepper! My verdict, if only brakes would be better it would be very very hard to compete with it price/performance. But if you have an extra 6k to put some great brakes problem solved!
Seeing this I would immediately go for the Hyundai Ioniq 5N. Way better car. Way better on the track. Not a fan of the looks of either. That being said: I prefer comfort, so I’ll gladly keep my BMW i5.
2:33 - Misha i believe the reason the tires are so good (other than them obviously being Pirellis) is those are the EV specific tires that were originally developed in conjunction with Lucid for the mighty 900v Air Sedan, because IIRC that's the vehicle on which those EV specific Pirellis made their debut with the car's debut back in 2021 with those ones now being specifically tweaked for the HM3P. for additional reference, Pirelli also just worked with Ford/Stard to make EV specific tires for their latest 1600HP F150 Lightning Electric Super Truck which recently ran Pikes Peak 2024 with Romain Dumas driving (again) taking this years Top Time Overall with an 8min 53sec.553... so indeed the current tire supplier to Formula 1 has SIMULTANEOUSLY been "super interested" in gathering data from high TQ/heavy weight EV's for some time, and directing it back into making a better EV specific tire for Production cars.
@@senadhasanbasic260 you have no clue what you are talking about even the old model 3 beat a GT3 RS and a huracan 580 in 0-60, trhis oine is even 0,3s faster now, this one now also handles like a porsche which is insane. the car was never meant for the track, in the real world you never need the brakes, this is all missleading and user error. ppl like you complain and laugh but in reality you simply lack any understanding whatsoever, like, at all of ev's.
Look the Tesla Track Pack on the Tesla Model S Plaid. So they need to add this option to the new Model 3 Perf with an extra. But remember that this car cost less than 60k €.
Are you using track mode with compressor overlock enabled? With the previous model I don’t have such a big limitation after only one ring lap, also I keep about 30% coz it helps on braking and at that low level feels like a natural ICE engine brake, but yeah the brakes aren’t made for track at all
@@qrs13 sure. when you enable track mode you have several options, as the level of assistance, the torque distribution (front - rear axle) the level of regenerative brake and a switch called “compressor overlock” as the cooling system uses air conditioning system to cooldown the batteirs trough a separated chiller -coolant exchanger, this overlock options runs the compressor at higher power for better cooling performance, and less or no power limit when doing track sessions.
@@RICHYSUNCLE it's massively different. I can be back to full in a Mustang and back out on track in less than 5 mins. There isn't a supercharger on planet earth that can get a Tesla back to full in under half and hour, and a partial charge isn't enough for most track sessions (not to mention dangerous to yourself and other drivers).
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl Misha used about 18% of his fuel each lap in the Mustang Dark Horse video. The Tesla here used 28%. So the Tesla would be drained after 3.5 laps, while the Mustang could do 5.5 laps.
Not an expert but I saw a two year old video in this same channel where Misha is driving a Model 3 Performance and in the track mode settings the regen needs to be off. Having said this, then an owner that will track this car NEEDS to upgrade the brakes… but is not the same problem as overheating the battery. I’m curious to see the results if the owner comes back with the upgraded brakes and we actually see it with regen off.
Would love to see how the battery temps increase when running on the Autobahn with higher speeds over a longer period of time. Will they overheat too? Or is this just a track specific thing?
As you wish, it can keep 263kmh just for a very few mins, depending on starting battery temp, then hits 60deg C power limit. ruclips.net/video/79EIklTz6fk/видео.html
2023 :- VTEC kicked in YO!
2024 :- Brakes on fire YO!
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I think Model 3 Performance need "Track Package" like the Model S Plaid, to have bigger brake kit + more aggressive alignment + different software calibration. Otherwise for now this is mainly to embarrass supercar off traffic light, and embarrass itself on the circuit.
@@RDSAlphard It does 0-60 well.. other than that it got nothing.. 60-130 is like 10seconds..
@@sub7up. american 2024 m3p does 0-130mph in 12 seconds
@@carter_longcor So 0-60 in 2,9... And 9 seconds 60-130?
Thats what i told you....
@@sub7up.
Are we going to pretend that a 8.9s 60-130 is a bad time for a 500hp, 4,000lb car? It's better than BMW M3 xDrive.
@@sub7up. rolling start from 9-100 is 3.1s and 0-100 is 3.3s in europe.
Damn, I love the accent of the owner. It's absolutely unique and sounds very clear and distinctive. Love the new colour on the M3P as well. Tesla needs to come up with a track pack with upgraded brakes and pads ASAP!
@mountainpassperformance are your guys
I would say that is a good czech english :D
@@teckofficialCZwe are saying Czenglish
Model 3 not M3.
Track pack with slightly increased horse power would be awesome as well and a bit more power at the top end of its acceleration
Is this a record for the brakes to give up... ? 😬
He needs to download the new breaks 😂
@@nikpapado9785 🤣
@@nikpapado9785hoping for over the air update in next release 😂
for this youtube channel, probably. but outside of youtube, chinese car xiaomi su7 has a much faster record and that car does not give driver much feedback when the brake pad is gone.
@@qrs13 I wish I could also download a glass window for my GT3, it's been recalled and the estimated time of delivery is 4 weeks.
Look at me … now I am getting excited about disk upgrade on a Tesla. The current setup doesn’t seem to be the name performance worthy. Live the enthusiasm of the owner. Keep us up to date!!
Yeah be interesting to see if it can be improved enough to do the whole lap. A lot of heavy batteries to slow down
@@Itsallfun3000 it’s 1.9 tonnes, over 200kg lighter than a c63 Amg. Should be fine on some aftermarket brakes.
What it needs is a braking grid, like a diesel locomotive, then the braking problem will be solved, but everything else will overheat instead! Aren't electric cars awesome?
@@Itsallfun3000 a bmw m3 does not even have batteries and weights 1850kg as well. What are you talking about?
Other discs and more heat resistant pads and it will work. For the normal user this pads have to work at -20° and braking hard on cold pads.
@@davids.6671 I'm talking about slowing all that mass down in this tesla. Not an M3 or whatever other car
This shows once more how impressive the thermal management of the Hyundai Ioniq 5N is
Yeah but the price difference is really high also.
The european M3P has a downgraded battery pack compared to the US one
What is wrong with Tesla's thermal management?
@@Ignacio.RomeroDoes an upgraded battery make better brakes too?
@@MikusTGBecause its better.
„Hyundai Ionic 5N please hold my beer.“ Two laps no temperature or brake problems out of the box.
It is 50% more expensive though.
Still no excuse for Tesla not to put better brakes. Even if it adds $5k to the price.
@@piefliesM3P with $20k modification still would not be able to compete with I5N. So the 50% higher price is justified.
Is the ionic 800v? If so you can have more aggressive regen.
@@bbokdoongI wasn’t saying it’s not justified. The thing I’m getting at is that it’s not really all that useful to compare cars that are in very different price ranges and then say the more expensive one is better.
I’m totally on board that the N is better and I’m not really a fan of Teslas, but it’s a bit of a silly comparison.
@@mefobills279 it is 800v architecture. It has 0.6 g regen brakes. You can one-pedal drive around Nurburgring.
Its INSANE that Tesla still delivers 'Performance' cars that are so underbraked. I remember how Audi got flamed when they put bad brakes in the Rs3...
Not even just ‘underbraked’ but dangerously ‘underbraked’ especially when it’s marketed as a ‘performance’ car. Even still the RS3 coped with the track, just a noticeable amount of fade of which they learnt from, unlike Tesla. Someone’s bound to crash once the brakes go kaput
@@sickbozzerthe Model 3 just isnt a track car. If you want a daily thst you can easily use as a serious track car, you need an M3. But its way more expensive than a Model 3.
@@VaporwareMartinezTesla shouldn't advertise it as an M3 killer then.
@@Cain353 Exactly. Dangerous advertising for a dangerous car. To be fair this Tesla fanboy isn't the worst I've come across and I respect that.
@@VaporwareMartinez M3 isn't a serious track car. Nor is an Audi RS3. But they come with brakes that suit the power they put down, along with the weight. Just unacceptable for the price of the car and the tag that comes along with it.
Seems like a really good guy. Looking forward to the next video when he returns with upgraded brakes!
Seeing that it was set on 3/4 regen., if I'm interpreting the display correctly, it's kind of crazy that the disc brake performance went that fast.
Suspension seems very compliant and yet not boaty though, which is a mixture of qualities I always appreciate.
The problem is that the battery was quite full in the beginning. Therefore only 90 kW of regen could be used for braking. If you start with 80 % or less SoC then the normal brakes should last longer.
@@niklas8565 ahh.. that makes sense 👍👍
Why is everyone saying the PERFORMANCE model needs a track pack with better brakes? Bro, this is the PERFORMANCE model, it should already have some sort of track pack with the best brakes it can 🤷♂️
But thats not profitable enough....Tesla will probably release a 'Performance Track pack', which you can buy seperate. Makes them more money
absolutely not, as tesla stated this car is not for the track and in real life you never need the brakes, there are literally millions of teslas with 300k miles on the first brake pads.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vlLove how Teslas have 'Track modes' and 'performance' models that cant perform on tracks.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl "Performance" model is not for the track? 😂
Mat Watson in Carwow summed it up the best. Just buy Model 3 Long Range instead of M3 Performance and save 10k pounds.
Ioniq 5N for the win
😂🤣
The win of what? The heaviest car?
@CaliSteve169 being able to finish the lap without breaking down 😂
The fact that Ioniq5N can complete 2 laps of Nurburgring without the overheating and braking issues contrary to this Tesla makes me surprised! Good job Hyundai!
Well Hyundai has professional motorsports program and Tesla doesn’t have, just backyard motorsports program.
@@curvetrcalinga re: "Well Hyundai has professional motorsports program" exactly like the wisemen say (translation: ME) "racing improves the breed..." in stark contrast overspending to buy Twitter does not.
The Hyundai will be on the side of the road waiting for tow truck in 1-2 years 😂
@@DeetroiterIts not american junk like the Tesla tho.
Plaid baby! ⚡️🇺🇲
I guess the Ioniq 5 N would be the performance electric car to get, right? Just costs a tiny bit more but way more power, lasts 2 full laps, and even has the simulated ICE dual clutch experience as well. I like Tesla but for having fun it seems like every reviewer absolutely loves the Ioniq 5 N and it seems to offer objectively way more than the Tesla model 3 performance.
Tesla is from A to B, for fun Ioniq 5N.
@@senadhasanbasic260 If you like the fake gearbox, for sure. Otherwise Multilink/double wishbone of the Tesla remains superior to MacPherson strut imo.
@@rkan2 Ioniq does 2 ringlaps with no reduce in power. Clearly superior to the Tesla. The fake gearbox is a stupid gimmick, but Teslas are full of worthless gimmicks marketed as 'groundbreaking technology'
@@rkan2 hmm... I think Germany's TUV inspection revealed that Tesla had most # of defects with double wishbone and brake disc last two cycles (model s in 2022, model 3 in 2023).
@@tooltalk Yes, it is no surprise since there is more than double the amount of bushings in the front and you do not need to have service visits to maintain your warranty.
MacPherson was always cheaper to manufacture and maintain, but it cannot give the same level of control over suspension geometry. I never said you can have it all.
Power Maximum!
5sek = 402kw
90sek = 339kw
Cold Down
120sek = 330kw
180sek = 310kw
240sek = 238kw
280sek = 200kw
310sek = 168kw
Horrible, didn't expect this from a newer Model 3 especially when considering that the old one was beating Taycan Turbo S on some Japan prix if I remember correctly because of cooling advantage...
Thats not correct according to the data in the video
Now with disabled regen
@@lukabosnjak3829 Agreed, didn't take much to overwhelm the cooling both in batteries and in braking. I guess I hoped this performance version would address these basic hurdles. It's clear the "Performance" designation is street performance = everyday driving, not for track use.
Hyundai's N-line is better suited to track abuse.
this is insane so many people thinking they are smart and laughing at the tesla while it is literally the best sports car ever made period
ther car is not supposed to be used like this it is made for the real world and it performs insanely well there, even the old one was faster than huracan or GT3 RS 0-60, now it even handles like a marvel.
it is absolutly pointless what you fgolks are pointing out, because the reason is you have no clue whatsoever.
on a track you need the brakes, which this car lacks because its not made for the track like the plaid with package.
in the real world you never need the brakes.
with amazing brakes the heating is gone.
also ICE rdrivers need to learn to not push n ev full throttle all the time, the power is just too much, even hyundai said this, cooling is everything in an ev on a track because of the insane power, litereally nothing else matters.
How has tesla not learned its lesson yet? The brakes were the main complaint of basically every single one of the brands performance models. They really need to give these cars better brakes, or at least better brake cooling.
I guess they just figure the real track guys will upgrade them and its just wasted money, weight, and space for 99% of the buyers that stick to the street... Not sure I agree with that logic, but it seems that's the way they went.
Keeps the autocross guys happy with less unsprung weight in the brakes, which is one motorsport the 3s actually do quite well in.
Tesla doesn't care about track performance and endurance. Just 0-60 numbers
Thank you so much. I have the new MP3 in Australia and will be taking it to a small handling circuit next week. My previous car, stock i30N had brake fade here after 3 hard laps but was manageable by braking a bit earlier. I think Tesla should recall and upgrade these cars if they’re not built for purpose as advertised.
The problem is they’re playing a numbers game here, most performance car owners (probably 99%) never track their cars. Did the owner of this car bed the brakes in at all? What level of regen was used on this lap?
What about the new test with the updated brakes you were talking about ?
Still a bit of an embarrassment that it can’t even do 1/4 or 1/2 without loosing brakes or power due to limitations. Struggled to take a fiesta in the end 😂
5N has much better temp management
It has but as well it consumes a lot more energy per 100km. So the question is what triggers the owner more…
A better break can be added afterwaeds. Better aero as well but this usually is a lot more complicated…
Funny
Hyundai ioniq 5 N
Tesla, the following realization occurs to me: The vehicles are built and tested in California. The developers themselves, who certainly drive these vehicles privately, drive them in this region, with the US mindset Performance means drag race (1/4 & 1/2 mile), speed means 85 mph (137 km/h) more is not allowed anyway. And no one needs a working automatic windshield wiper, it never rains in California anyway.
I agree
Ahhh, the truth!
They do a lot of work on keeping the car cool, but a lot of improvements to heating/de-icing actually came rather late.
Very much a California car, but still a very nice car in many ways. You would think it'd have more performant cooling though given the climate it was designed in! I guess is 99% of owners are never going to take it to a track then the lack of track brakes makes sense, the stock brakes work fine for drag racing.
I’m Germany you can’t only drive fast on ur highway, in California I can drive fast anywhere 😆
In Turkey we have Körfez Track. Teslas are coming and going very soon because of breake failure. All Teslas need to upgrade disks for track use I guess.
performans ve long range fark ediyor mu hocam
Like any other stock car...
@@tauzN no? Hyundai Ioniq 5N
@@tauzN This is a PERFORMANCE car. Its unacceptable that the brakes are this bad.
@@Dawood4 Car manufacturers don't expect that you drive your car at Nürburgring. Electric cars are too heavy for turns of Green Hell.
It really makes you wonder how Hyundai did it on the Ionic 5 N...
Ioniq 5N was developed by Albert Biermann and crazy car people in the N division, and M3P was developed by Elon and his financial advisors.😁
@@bbokdoongexactly. One was developed by carguys, the other from software engineers and a ketamine addict.
현대자동차는 현대로템이라는 기차, 지하철 같은 전동차를(방산업체이기도 합니다 k2블랙팬서라는 전차도 만들어요) 만드는 회사를 소유하고 있어요
아마도 주요 ICE 자동차 회사중에서 유일할겁니다 그게 전동화된 자동차를 만드는 기술에서 제일 앞서는 이유라고 생각해요
아마 많은 저를 비롯한 많은 한국인들도 그런 생각을 갖고있을거에요
@@bbokdoong my guy ioniq 5n is 80k after tax and fees. a model 3 performance is 49k after tax and fees
@@dar7279 You can spend $30k to modify M3P, and it still won't be as capable as I5N on the track. And M3P won't have any warranty after the modification.
Brakes on fire 🔥 2 minutes into lap. "Thanks for this experience i really loved it" 😂😂
The second lap with BBK will be way better, at least from brakes point of view. 😉
BTW, being Misha's passenger is a great experience and I have to say it wasn't too much dangerous at any point in the lap. Yes, the brakes faded, but Misha noticed right away and accommodated to that limitation immediatelly.
@@qrs13how about the overheating batteries?
@@ic3kendeethe bateries finished the lap at 56deg C, which is at least 4 degrees below the 60deg C BMS hard limit. But we still had some Tesla surprises in the second lap.
Misha: - Hey brakes?
Brakes: - Yep?
Misha: - Bye bye!
So how were the new brakes? And which brand you went for?
Misha out there putting Teslas on the stress bench.
Even though teslas regen method is excellent for daily driving, its not actually ideal. As nice as the one pedal driving is, its actually better to coast on the highways than to regen. Regen is more useful and efficient in low speed driving. Furthermore Teslas dont actually regen to a high degree. Something like the Ioniq 5 N regens significantly more with the N pedal or whatever. That helps a ton on track because it uses the brakes a lot less
The N driver that hits the Nürburgring said the car does better when you disable regen and use the brakes.
@@MrPhatties I'm sure it does. But like when you aren't going for the fastest time the high Regen is nice because it conserved brakes and also kicked the back end out to square off. It's not perfect but it's a good thing to have the option of
Ioniq 5 N is still better 🤷♂
Ioniq 5n is a 2.2ton boat
@@SlowKawa640 so? It's a SUV, what do you expect? Stile better than the Model 3 Performance 🤷🏻♂️
@@TheProAndTheNoob1 how is that an SUV? It's literally the size of a compact car
@@SlowKawa640 u sure about that? You better tell Hyundai then, they're calling it a SUV/Crossover 🙃
@@SlowKawa640its an SUV, its pretty big in person. Still performs better than this smaller american shitbox
Hyundai Ioniq 5N is much better
That happens when you buy a car that only was build to beat cars on the straight ... Tesla is and never will be a Racecar for a Track, no matter how many Performance Pack they put on it
People buy these cars to drive to work and home and quickly have an instant burst of acceleration in traffic or at light. They have 911 at home for the weekend. Well, I do and many others i know.
@@borinvlogsso deluded😂😂
The M2 soundtrack was the best part of the vídeo 🤣
Porches in the background in the intro.. 🫵❤️
Truth.
True...
lmfao
The M3P is more of a performance "line" with short overboost capability. And that's okay, especially for the price, you shouldn't expect more than that.
The ioniq 5 n is an absolute exception, it is unfair to compare other vehicles with this one in terms of price and real track performance. Nobody can build and offer a car with this skills unter 90k, personally I don't think Hyundai either. It is an image carrier.
Just have to look at Pikes Peak and see what the vehicle did there. The series ioniq 5 N (with standard tires) was faster than a radically converted Tesla Model S Plaid.
The thing is that Teslas get promoted as the ultimate performance cars....its good to see how they fail
Tesla @ Fuchsröhre: "Your brake subscription has ended"
Agree with some of the comments that the refreshed M3P is a monster at acclerating, but it needs a set of brakes that can handle multiple high speed brake applications for a 2+ ton car. Tesla needs this as an option for the M3P.
It’s clear that Tesla power is designed to just drag race from stop light to stop light a few times.
Yeah, that is why Micha says the handling is really really good
@@GenuineFlolieYeah so useful when the brakes are terrible and you cant complete one lap in full power. Lmfaooo
as TEsla officialy stated this is the fiirst car that is made for cornering as well, but they also said it is not for a track like the plaid with package.
it is for the real world where you never need the brakes.
so, nothing is clear at all.
people lack education and need to learn ev's.
before talking like you
@@JohnSmith-pn2vlcope
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl Cope harder in your burning shitbox
Most EVs need expensive carbon ceramic brakes to be driven in the track extensively except Ioniq 5N. Ioniq 5N has 0.6g regen brakes that can share the load with the mechanical brakes.
Additionally the Ioniq 5 N is the only EV that can even recuperate in ABS (0.2G)
That's not an exclusive EV problem, more like any modern high powered car. An above 2 tonnes RS6 or a BMW M5 wouldn't do too well without it's carbon ceramics. Steel brakes would at the very least be a huge unsprung weight penalty.
No they don't. BMW, Audi, Porsche all can do track runs without issues. This is a Tesla exclusive problem.
@@derbigpr500 아니요 그것도 자체로 만드는 배터리 기술이 없습니다. 다들 중국제 배터리를 씁니다. 한국껏도 쓰지만 아이오닉에 들어가는 배터리는 없습니다
Yes, +60 °C is full power limit (UK owner asked Tesla). Nice lap for a stock car and there is apparenly what what you get - heatpump is underpowered to could batrery down. I did not know, that in +50°C the power restriction kicks already in. The only way would be modding of the heat pump and/or intercooler on battery loop.
The car is very quiet over 200 km/h speeds. Stock suspension bottoms out relatively easily on top speeds (from other videos), so be careful out there if not upgraded.
Modding the cooling circuit only gives you marginal gains as the limits are hard coded into the software, where the charge/discharge power of the battery is measured and once a ' summed limit' is exceeded, power is de-rated.
Also heatpumps are crap, already 4th going on mine... when overheated even worse. 🤐
Guess with upgraded brakes you don’t need regen, hopefully limiting battery temp.
You'd bottom out too with all that weight under yer ass
@@694tommie There is a video about that, already. Gutted M3P 2024, upgraded Brembo brakes (no regen), suspension and tires. Could not finish Nürburgring w/o overheating to +60 °C "max limp mode"/power reduction. And there was yellow flags/congestion in begin of the lap.
Still waiting for the update please and thank you 🙏
The new Model 3 "Temporary Performance" model..
i see what you did there... 😅
wow people have no idea they are laughing at the very best sport car ever made because they lack even the slightest clue whatsoever, goddamn are you all a bunch of loosers haha
Model 3 Minutes Performance
Model 3 half Performance
Model 3: 'who needs to stop' edition
You still can't catch the white car that overtook you at the beginning of the race. 😂 It looks fast with an amazing exhaust sound.
BMW M2, and it sounded great.
Thats an old M2 F87. Proper trackcar, not like this shitbox
I love this car,is so fast and so good handling but for track needs biggest brakes 💪💪💪
Can’t really call it a performance car when the brakes are that bad… yikes
Tesla needs a „Model 3 Competition“
I’ve owned a Model 3 for years and I drive it spiritedly. Also driven most every Tesla modal. The brakes are a weak point on all of them. Most people who drive them normally rely on the regen braking and don’t need to touch the crappy mechanical brakes. Hit the track and it’s a different story. Brake upgrades / track packs are a must on these cars for hard driving.
Telemetry showing peaks of 402kW which is 540HP, so it easely gets 500HP at the wheels!
I guess it does not really have a drive train, so losses should be minimal
Its 500 Dog Power not Horse Power
I have seen 405kW there for a brief time, so the power is really good.
It would just need some special race mode which will force cooling into max power even before the drive, to really cool the battery. The way Ioniq 5N does it.
That's not how that works lmao
they're probably displaying pack power so you need to account for losses in the cables to the inverters, inverter losses, motor losses, and cooling system draw before you even get to motor electrical power, let alone mechanical motor power, and then you still have the whole mechanical side of the powertrain
This just shows how well engineered other cars are (Lucid Air, Ionic 5N). No overheating, no brake issues...
You just gonna ignore all the other issues those cars have?
Tesla makes amazing cars.
You can't ignore the fact that the new model 3 has amazing sets of coil overs.
Just because there's one issue doesn't mean it's all bad.
It's very common for Teslas to overheat the brakes when you push it.
The brake pistons are great, they bite hard and make you stop, they just overheat easily.
For daily driving that's perfect, decent brakes, but can bite when needed.
@@TeJoeTheHoeso a Tesla Performance isnt a Performance car basically. The Lucid weighs half a ton more and performed better on the ring. So either the Lucid is a masterpiece or the Tesla aint great.
Brembo brakes must suck!
In my opinion, Tesla forgot the real meaning of "Performance".
They never knew what performance means in the first place.
Well Tesla's definition of Performance is the same definition used by the clueless kids that love driving fast in a straight line inbetween lights.
The brakes on my model 3 with boost acceleration started smoking a lot after breaking from 130mph over a mile of gently stopping it
I feel like Hyundai actually got it right and Tesla just hasn't learned its lesson...
Hyundai got it right the first time
When it comes to everything else but track perfomance, I think Tesla knows their lesson.
Tesla made the car for the average joe, not the car enthusiast that pushes the car to its limits, so they can get away with brakes that overheat.
If you want to go fast, get better brakes.
@@TeJoeTheHoeproblem is that Teslaadvertisers like Jason Cammisa from Hagerty say that the Model 3 makes the Bmw M3 'irrelevant'...
While the M3 Xdrive is faster in straights and faster and more capable on tracks. Biased Teslapropaganda is the problem.
@@origaminefretami3480Hyundai has no choice to get it right the first time due to their reputation
아이오닉N이 대단하긴한거구나.. 테슬라는 열관리가 전혀안되네.
글죠.기본 배터리 성능이 개선 안되고 회생제동의 도움없이는 아무리 세라믹이나 좋은 세팅을 해도 결국은 쓸데없는 짓이 될뿐이죠.
So the Ioniq 5 N is 10k more in Germany and is a real performance car. I don't think it's even competition because you would need to compare to a Model Y but still
But the ioniq 5 makes big sacrifices in range and features. Good track car, but model 3 perf is gonna be the better daily
it’s more like 15k, but to be fair tesla itself says don’t use the brakes for track because the brake pads are designed for one or emergency brakes because in normal driving situations you don’t use brakes at all
I6n incoming...
@thedumbconspirator4956 ig it's really all about what you prefer after all 😕
How did this compare to EV6 GT? Quicker? Slower? Better handling? Brakes? Adjustability? Power reduction? Heat?
Positives: Nice seats...
I loved the video. All the stats of motor, inverter, battery temps, max discharge and mac regen is awesome. thank you!
Kudo's to Enhance and their S3XY Buttons app/Commander box.
9.0 minute lap. The handling cannot be that brillant.
He slowed down because the brakes were gone.
@@macnlz Yes. I saw that. I find that car boring.
@@macnlzHaha yeah, a Performance car with bad brakes is funny af
Yes. It had to slow down for yellow flags etc and had brake issues. It does handle like a Lotus or a Porche that is for sure.
Thanks for posting. I always wanted to see that "shortcut" and now I have.
After Misha showed me that been using it for rest of the day.
I drive a Tesla model 3 and a g80. This is why a Tesla can’t keep up with the g80. It’s not about the 0-100 performance. It’s about the whole package. If you are buying a Tesla, you are only looking at the boobs, if you know what I am talking about.
has nothing to do with the boobs . saving about 2000euro a year on fuel is what does it for me . ( had my 2019 m3p since new , and now got 80 000km on it so yea i have saved quite a lot over the years compared to my old combustion engine car . )
I OWN both. Handling is just as good as my G80. Look at the title Einstein. Brakes are the only thing not ready for the Nurburgring. Use your brain bud.
Teslas are road cars they are not track cars 😂 you gnaw because the poorest Tesla destroys every sports car currently on the market. Eat your liver
Soon I'll get my answer from the court here in Norway if I win my case against Tesla for the horrible brakes on my Plaid. Long story short; it was markedet as a car you could drive on the track, but the brakes overheat after two corners. Hopefully a win here will get them to improve brakes on all their "track cars".
Best of luck, Tesla is almost immune to courts
@@safakhan3088 thanks. Luckily we have amazing consumer rights in Norway, including a free court for consumer cases. We also have a law that states that if something is marketed as X and that's why a consumer bought the product, the buyer can make the seller buy it back at cost. Considering the "going Plaid" video includes like 30% track footage with no * stating that better brakes are needed I think I have a good case. I also got a unbiased report from amcar club of Norway stating for a fact that the brakes are way too small (based on the horsepower and weight of the car) for any kind of track driving.
I would imagine that's a tough fight, even in Norway.
@@rkan2 it's with forbrukerklageutvalget now. They will review all the evidence that I have submitted, along with the unbiased/expert report on the brakes and come to a verdict. If I don't win, I have only lost some time. I hope and think I have a good case though. Will know in like 6 months time I think (long que).
You are paid by big oil, Tesla has no brake problems
To think the Hyundai 5 N comes in without any big issue right out of the box, Tesla still has a lot of catch up to do in the track category.
Tesla - 'It's really, really hard to engineer a car for the track, but we're still king of the EVs'
Hyundai - 'Hold my beer'
I love how everyone is talking about these one lap wonders like they actually matter in the racing world.
@@PistonAvatarGuyIts simply because its an american brand. No one would care about Tesla if it would be chinese.
Porsche is the king of gas and EV. If we're being real. The new taycan turbo gt is best all around performance car u can get for an EV
But Porsche doesnt have fake pops and bangs on the speakers and fake combustion engine sounds tho...... thats the new benchmark for an "performance ev? ...
😂😂🤷♂️
@@G82Watts lol look at this porsche sales rep... your taycan turbo GT cost MORE than 4 times the price of 1 tesla model 3 performance ! for this price you can buy 2 teslas, one daily and one track focus on which you will have the budget to put carbon big brakes, carbon wheels, lexan all around and a full carbon body kit, big wing active aero and better custom made cooling system, you will still have the money to buy a FUCKING HOUSE !
The tension is completely different when Misha driving Ioniq 5N, so it's over the game. 😂😂
Ioniq 5N is simple steel brake, and much more heavier. But brake didn't fade and battery didn't over heat.
As a daily car? maybe M3P is good, but as a track toy? 5N is better choice i think.
Even if the brakes are upgraded, the car won’t last a full lap on power
Tesla braucht ein Track Paket als Option mit großen bremsen ggf sogar carbon, extra kühlsystem, reifen und aufhängung dann wäre es auch was für den track sonst ist es nur für die Ampel...
motor and battery early give up (temperature high. limp mode. power decrease)- ioniq5N is the better than driving in track.
The fact that the brakes sucked on the new tesla models came up early on and what's worse that they didn't seem to upgrade them for the new model, and that it is being left to customers to fix is not good compared to the price
The new Tesla Model 3 'Halfassed Performance'
you could not be more wrong it is literally the best performance car out there beating huracan 580 and porsche gt3 rs, well even the old one did, this one is even faster. this is all how it should be, the m3p is not for the track as Tesla stated.
it would make no sense.
that is like including a charger with an iphone when 99.99% alrteady have 5 of them laying arround everywhere.
you see
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl No one cares bro, stop yapping. Carguys care how a 'performance' car performs on tracks. And this shitbox got dusted by an old M2 right at the beginning.
It's absolutely brilliant. Nice to see even telsa have heat and brake issues. Great lap just goes to show this track is awesome for testing cars to their limits. ❤
"even tesla" - You say that as if Tesla isn't know for being a low quality garbage brand that invented overheating and brake issues basically. No other EV has those issues.
@@derbigpr500 lol
Yay! Temperatures visible!
What brakes did he say he wanted to get? Would they only be good at the track? ..or would they bite well cold on the street in rain and snow?
Brakes can be upgraded, but it's impossible to reduce high battery temperatures.
That is not true. You can always fit a larger coolant pump, and the cooling strategy is programmable.
Once you break the car down into its individual subsystems and you'll realize that you can modify almost everything.
@@otm646 And Hyundai does the best.
@@kfx3907 Best is relative to price. The Hyundai is 20k+ more expensive.
It’s a great verdict. It’s really fast in public roads and has a great seating position + visibility.
Breakers can be changed.
You could either start with a lower SOC and take in more regen (save the brakes) but also risk overheating Battery.
I Brakes are upgraded, turn off regen, start with full battery (higher SOC means higher voltage, thus lower Amps and lower heat loss).
You also might wanna start with a colder battery (can it pre cool?)
I’d be curious to see the differences.
Yes, it does pre-cool in the track mode
it obviously needed better pads and some active aero to duct a lot of air to the brakes, Tesla still just doesn’t understand track driving
Hi Misha! Thank you for making these awesome videos! One thing that stands out to me is the glare in some of your videos. We all know about a polarized glasses for this exact problem. I believe a polarized camera case, lense or film would make your videos much clearer, more enjoyable, and professional. Keep up the great work! 🇨🇿🇺🇸
Awesome! I just picked up identical M3P in Ultra Red and gave back my 2021 M3P. The diff is not incremental but monumental! I'd love to see the video after upgraded brakes! Will be watching!
I believe Brembo supplies both the calipers and the pads, so I'm not sure why Brembo wouldn't spec a better pad compound. Unless Tesla asked them to prioritize characteristics like brake noise and dust. Of course its possible there is also a big difference in cost, and Tesla wanted to hit a certain price point for this car.
Does it add rotation by applying brakes? Wondering why it smoked that early.
With ESP, every car would.
@@rkan2 No doubt about that, but I am wondering if it is a permanent thing. Giving the impression of a nimble car.
@@jk9436Should still be able to discern a Multilink/Double wishbone from a MacPherson strut :P The new Model 3 only changed suspension bushes and the adaptive shock absorbers AFAIK.
I wanted to buy the new performance version and thought they fixed the break's but oh boy how wrong I was... Thus will say thank you to Tesla.
LOOK at the scrub @ 2:37 on those super low pro tires!!!! Misha was working that car HARD. Awesome car, awesome driver.
Imagine taking corners in a loaded fridge with tire at 200
Alignment would help a lot with that. Not sure how adjustable it is without modification though
@@RICHYSUNCLE😂😂😂
@@RICHYSUNCLE😂
@@RICHYSUNCLE..except this car is lighter than an M3
Just made a test drive today! It’s an huge upgrade from predecessor! Honestly yes brakes still shit, but only if you drive like a race driver, full throttle brake just inside the corner and full throttle again. I made a nice funny drive in country roads with some corners just by using 90% regenerative braking. Its not like an M3/M2 but its fine! You can have a nice daily with some pepper! My verdict, if only brakes would be better it would be very very hard to compete with it price/performance. But if you have an extra 6k to put some great brakes problem solved!
Is this Nurburgring? Damn, love to drive on this track one day.
Today I have seens this specific Model 3 Performance and it already has some really nice looking new brakes. I cant wait for the next run. ❤
Maybe the car can make make half lap before the battery overheats
Seeing this I would immediately go for the Hyundai Ioniq 5N. Way better car. Way better on the track. Not a fan of the looks of either.
That being said: I prefer comfort, so I’ll gladly keep my BMW i5.
Reasonable choice.
IONIQ 6 N coming soon
2:33 - Misha i believe the reason the tires are so good (other than them obviously being Pirellis) is those are the EV specific tires that were originally developed in conjunction with Lucid for the mighty 900v Air Sedan, because IIRC that's the vehicle on which those EV specific Pirellis made their debut with the car's debut back in 2021 with those ones now being specifically tweaked for the HM3P. for additional reference, Pirelli also just worked with Ford/Stard to make EV specific tires for their latest 1600HP F150 Lightning Electric Super Truck which recently ran Pikes Peak 2024 with Romain Dumas driving (again) taking this years Top Time Overall with an 8min 53sec.553...
so indeed the current tire supplier to Formula 1 has SIMULTANEOUSLY been "super interested" in gathering data from high TQ/heavy weight EV's for some time, and directing it back into making a better EV specific tire for Production cars.
Brakes fail 1/4 into the circuit and Tesla brand the vehicle its "performance" version? That BMW totally outran the Tesla M3 Performance.
Cant compare a Bmw to a Tesla, Teslas are made for 0-30mph races on traffic lights
Agree but that is a Model 3 performance.
@@senadhasanbasic260 you have no clue what you are talking about even the old model 3 beat a GT3 RS and a huracan 580 in 0-60, trhis oine is even 0,3s faster now, this one now also handles like a porsche which is insane.
the car was never meant for the track, in the real world you never need the brakes, this is all missleading and user error.
ppl like you complain and laugh but in reality you simply lack any understanding whatsoever, like, at all of ev's.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vlIt couldnt even beat a Bmw M2 as we just saw. Cry harder
@JohnSmith You keep spamming the same comment. Did you watch the video? It’s a clear example that that “performance” is more than 0-60 times.
Is it really so quiet the new Model 3??? Even at high speed it seems to have very little tyre noise and no wind noise...
Tesla 🤝 Bad brakes
Brembo brakes must suck!
@@larryc1616 They would be great on a Miata. Tesla just always under brakes their performance models
@@hacob2004because they always cheap out their cars
@@mateokovac2642 How else they gonna offer their cars for so cheap.
Look the Tesla Track Pack on the Tesla Model S Plaid. So they need to add this option to the new Model 3 Perf with an extra. But remember that this car cost less than 60k €.
I hope they reduce the regen when testing with the new brakes. Lower regen will reduce inverter and battery temp increase during the run.
For the lap with BBK will be regen switched OFF. 😉
Quick lil thing but how boring without sound/vibration/gears.
I'll take a slower ICE!
Are you using track mode with compressor overlock enabled? With the previous model I don’t have such a big limitation after only one ring lap, also I keep about 30% coz it helps on braking and at that low level feels like a natural ICE engine brake, but yeah the brakes aren’t made for track at all
Not sure what you mean by compressor overlock? Can you elaborate a bit?
@@qrs13 sure. when you enable track mode you have several options, as the level of assistance, the torque distribution (front - rear axle) the level of regenerative brake and a switch called “compressor overlock” as the cooling system uses air conditioning system to cooldown the batteirs trough a separated chiller -coolant exchanger, this overlock options runs the compressor at higher power for better cooling performance, and less or no power limit when doing track sessions.
That battery percentage drop though :O
No diffrent to a v8 mustangs fuel tank dropping
@@RICHYSUNCLE
You'd run out of battery sooner than you'd run out of fuel.
@@RICHYSUNCLE it's massively different. I can be back to full in a Mustang and back out on track in less than 5 mins. There isn't a supercharger on planet earth that can get a Tesla back to full in under half and hour, and a partial charge isn't enough for most track sessions (not to mention dangerous to yourself and other drivers).
@@chewthegum that is not true
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl
Misha used about 18% of his fuel each lap in the Mustang Dark Horse video. The Tesla here used 28%. So the Tesla would be drained after 3.5 laps, while the Mustang could do 5.5 laps.
Not an expert but I saw a two year old video in this same channel where Misha is driving a Model 3 Performance and in the track mode settings the regen needs to be off. Having said this, then an owner that will track this car NEEDS to upgrade the brakes… but is not the same problem as overheating the battery. I’m curious to see the results if the owner comes back with the upgraded brakes and we actually see it with regen off.
If you turn off the regen completely, the brake will die earlier.
No. Nothing is great about a car where the breaks burn up after a mile or two. It's a POS.
Would love to see how the battery temps increase when running on the Autobahn with higher speeds over a longer period of time. Will they overheat too? Or is this just a track specific thing?
As you wish, it can keep 263kmh just for a very few mins, depending on starting battery temp, then hits 60deg C power limit.
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They may have acceleration but not much else goin for it
SUPER INTERESTING to watch your throttle on the track. before the break issues..
Will there be Part II?
Yes, it was shot already a week ago, but Misha’s publication calendar seems to be pretty full 😉
If you invert the rear view footage vertically, it would look like rear view mirror, and would makes more since on a screen configuration like this.
The way it is right now, is a little disorienting for me.