The heater on C4 is a beast with consuption. If you let the car stop with heater turn on. You will see the battery draining really fast. I have the the ec4 but i'm avoing to use the heater for heat. Its a completly beast
Helpful review thanks, looking at this as my next car and I too was very disappointed with range of this car and battery. I was hoping for similar to your estimate so I might look at the Ionia.
Interesting test. Currently looking around in the EV-World and was interested in the 'real range' of cars like this. 5.6 Km per Kw is not bad if you compare it with the ICE, where even a modern Diesel in a car like this would hardly reach half of that.
The problem is about the usable battery capacity. It's 50 kwh on paper but according to my calculations the reviewer had to bail out after 34 kwh of consumption, within the same efficiency numbers, remaining 20 miles means 7 kwh more energy remaining so it's around 40 kwh usable battery in total, in this case? Practically usable 34 kwh, total usable for driving 40kwh.. How much did the air conditioning consumed I am curious?
Very helpful review. Great shame about the lack of range, as it ticks every other box on my list. However, my current Zoe 50 could have done that journey on one charge with ease. ( but less comfort)
He would've done it. As he said, he had 21 miles to go and 21 miles of range when he decided to charge. Besides, PSA cars can still do a few miles with no range left. ë-C4 is rather inefficient, and the range isn't the best it could be, but 150 miles is entirely possible. In my books, that's enough (even if noticably less than Zoe).
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I wonder if the hilly landscape caused a problem? I don’t think legacy OEMs have got the regen sorted and wonder how a bmw i3 (an exception to the previous comment) as it would generate more energy going down the hills than this car. Worth testing?
The problem looks like to be about the usable battery capacity. It's 50 kwh on paper but according to my calculations the reviewer had to bail out after 34 kwh of consumption, within the same efficiency numbers, remaining 20 miles means 7 kwh more energy remaining so it's around 40 kwh usable battery in total, in this case? Practically usable 34 kwh, total usable for driving 40kwh.. How much did the air conditioning consumed I am curious?
Excellent video thanks very much for that review. This was top of the list, because of the comfort and so on but not sure now as that range is really disappointing! My elderly parents live 160 miles away, so I need to be able to get there on one charge. Thanks again for the review,
I was genuinely impressed by the C4. It’s a much better car than I was expecting. I’m doing the range test again next week, but this time in eco mode as I’m sure it is capable of going further. So watch this space.
If you were averaging 3.5m per kWh in theory you had a max range of 157 miles, based on the usable capacity of 45kwh. You had enough range left to climb Telegraph hill and get onto the A380. It’s a shame there is no CCS charging in Newton Abbot as had there been, you could have pushed it a bit more. But the test route was good and you could argue realistic range of around 150 / 160 miles.
I was tempted to push on and go back via Dawlish, Teignmouth, Shaldon to avoid telegraph. I’m sure it would have made it going that way, but I wasn’t feeling that adventurous that day.
The range is more than good enough! Will surely go for a test drive! My friend has one and in Eco mode it is great and that is the mode you should be in when maximising the range. Of course if it is cold you might to go back to Normal now and then. 3.5 miles / kWh is like under 18 kWh / 100 km which sound completely normal for EV’s.
I agree, the range won’t be a problem for 90% of owners, but as you know, people tend to be obsessed with total range even though they probably will hardly ever need anything more. What range is your friend getting? If I had more time with the car I would’ve repeated the journey in eco, with climate off.
@@chargeelectric9905 this is true, but a lack of confidence in ability to get somewhere in a predicable time ( given the shortcomings in en route charging infrastructure at present) can be a significant turn off for potential EV users. Given that your review of the car was otherwise so positive, and test route very appropriate, I wonder if the supplier might lend it to you again to repeat the test in eco mode only? This range issue ( for getting to airports etc) would be the only one putting me off this car, you covered all other aspects very well.
Yes it’s genuinely a really good car, but I was a tad disappointed with the range. I’m hoping to do the same route shortly with another car to see how that does.
@@chargeelectric9905 I think people are also afraid of depreciation. EVs with shorter (500km) becomes more affordable. Nice car though - did a test drive this weekend and I like it 😊
I dont see nothing wrong to stop more often if available range is not enough. Some of us can take cofee, a cigarette, or have a rest for next trip. During charging you can have a also some break with your partner on back seats😊 but in this case it depends on your stamina or car should have pretty fast charging available😂 we own this car and we can recommend! If you like comfort ride, you should buy this or look for something better in much more expensive tier.
19% would be 8.5kw, so would have been 29 miles. If I was feeling brave I would have given it a go, but I didn’t fancy taking the car back on the back of a truck. 😄
Yes I would. Very comfortable, not bad looking. Also consider its sister car the Peugeot e-2008. This feels a bit more solid and is a bit more practical in the back and boot.
The problem with this car is that it's got the same battery as the Peugeot e208 and the Opel/Vauxhall Corsa e, 50 kWh gross, 45 kWh net. That's too small for this car, it needs at least 60 kWh. PSA/Stellantis has got good electric cars but it seems they're too shy to experiment with other batteries, as well as the limitations of sharing same platform and structure with ICE cars. Better to take an Opel/Vauxhall Corsa e that it did 167 miles with carwow on motorway (same battery, smaller car = more range).
I have the Peugeot e-208 which is the brother of the e-c4 , same battery etc. I have found it is probably the least efficient ev out there. I've had a Nissan Leaf 24kw before the pug and it was way more efficient.
@@chargeelectric9905 The same as the e-c4 at 4 degrees. I drive fairly efficiently with hardly any motorway use.. From about 18 degrees I get 5kwh and below 5 degrees get about 3-3.5khw. So mid winter 130 miles and summer 190-200.Nice car but as it's not a dedicated ev it lacks that quietness and efficiency. From 10 degrees the efficiency jumps, guessing to do with the battery chemistry. Vauxhall , pug, Citroen and DS are all part of the PSA group so share all the ev tech. If you want efficiency you need to get Hyundai, Kia or Tesla at the moment but they tend to be more expensive.
@@happykarmaman34 as far as I know all electric cars get bad efficiency at 4°c and below, even the Nissan leaf, Hyundai Kona and Tesla model 3. Go check out Bjørn he does very precise mathematical range tests 👍
@@chargeelectric9905 If that is what you normally do then fair enough but I think most EV drivers would not drive that type of journey in normal mode all the way, your vehicle has an eco mode for a reason, it makes no sense to not make use of it on that type of journey as normal mode is not required for a good proportion of the journey, personally my car runs in eco mode for probably 75% of a long journey, it doesn’t add a huge amount but as you stated in that video, you topped up because you thought it was a close call on the range to reach home. Do you not think that had you you used the eco mode for a good proportion of that journey you would have got home without a stop, we all drive to the capability of the vehicle we are driving. If I drove a vehicle that I knew had more than enough range thru past experience then I might make use of the extra pace on the vehicle even if I knew it was not necessary. On the other hand if I was driving another vehicle I had no experience of I would tend to drive it to its best potential, that gives me a realistic idea of the cars range on an average journey,this does not mean switching everything off and freezing to death inside, I mean driving the car to its full potential, that to me is real world driving.
It’s really interesting talking to people through this channel as everyone has different experiences. I love your points, and the more I drive different brands, I’m learning a lot. As I said for 3 years I was driving Hyundai EV’s where eco didn’t make much difference, but other brands the eco mode seems to be much more effective. But watch this space, the eC4 could well be appearing again soon on this channel. Thank you for sharing your experience.
One reason, why I won't be buying an EV for a while until the batteries are better. I suppose its OK for driving round town, just long journeys don't seem possible yet.
Better to hold of buying a electric car if it can't do 250 miles I'm not buying electric anytime soon and they get in my price range there to expensive!
@@davelocktalk and i factored in fuel costs. Tolls. Tyres etc. It is still cheaper for me go run a new elcctric car that it is to run a 2018 or so diesle or hybrid.
It's kw/100km. Stop with the outdated imperial system. It's morally and te hincally degraded and not to be used in moder age. Using some online calculators those 3.5 nonsese per kw is like 17.8 kw/100km, which is very good value. Best values for evs have like 15kw/100km in warm weather. Could it be a problem with the vehicle reporting bad SOC or even having battery issues?!
Thank you for your feedback. Miles per kWh is the units that we generally use in Britain, just like miles per gallon is the units we use in a combustion engine car. The Citroen I was driving is UK spec, so the consumption is set to miles per kWh. In the future I might put the metric conversion on the screen when talking about consumption if that helps.
All you lot better come back from your farmers era into the modern world and use the universal standardized system..you know for the intelligent smart modern people. Especially when hoping to provide reviews and information.
@@tommyb6611 If you're so smart then why don't you stop crying like a baby and just translate miles to KM? Also there is no such thing as a "universal standardised system", if there was then you wouldn't be having this conversation. Not impressively smart words from a self-professed "intelligent smart modern person", hmm?
The heater on C4 is a beast with consuption. If you let the car stop with heater turn on. You will see the battery draining really fast. I have the the ec4 but i'm avoing to use the heater for heat. Its a completly beast
First nice colour scheme that makes this car looking much smoother ;-)
Absolutely agree. 200 km on a motorway is max what I got. Best to you and thanks for the test!
Helpful review thanks, looking at this as my next car and I too was very disappointed with range of this car and battery. I was hoping for similar to your estimate so I might look at the Ionia.
Interesting test.
Currently looking around in the EV-World and was interested in the 'real range' of cars like this.
5.6 Km per Kw is not bad if you compare it with the ICE, where even a modern Diesel in a car like this would hardly reach half of that.
The problem is about the usable battery capacity. It's 50 kwh on paper but according to my calculations the reviewer had to bail out after 34 kwh of consumption, within the same efficiency numbers, remaining 20 miles means 7 kwh more energy remaining so it's around 40 kwh usable battery in total, in this case? Practically usable 34 kwh, total usable for driving 40kwh.. How much did the air conditioning consumed I am curious?
Very helpful review. Great shame about the lack of range, as it ticks every other box on my list. However, my current Zoe 50 could have done that journey on one charge with ease. ( but less comfort)
He would've done it. As he said, he had 21 miles to go and 21 miles of range when he decided to charge. Besides, PSA cars can still do a few miles with no range left. ë-C4 is rather inefficient, and the range isn't the best it could be, but 150 miles is entirely possible. In my books, that's enough (even if noticably less than Zoe).
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@Warren Ricardo i really appreciate your reply. I found the site through google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff now.
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I wonder if the hilly landscape caused a problem? I don’t think legacy OEMs have got the regen sorted and wonder how a bmw i3 (an exception to the previous comment) as it would generate more energy going down the hills than this car. Worth testing?
The problem looks like to be about the usable battery capacity. It's 50 kwh on paper but according to my calculations the reviewer had to bail out after 34 kwh of consumption, within the same efficiency numbers, remaining 20 miles means 7 kwh more energy remaining so it's around 40 kwh usable battery in total, in this case? Practically usable 34 kwh, total usable for driving 40kwh.. How much did the air conditioning consumed I am curious?
Citroen advertise the battery as a 50kwh, but only 45kwh is usable. I had the climate set to 19 degrees throughout.
Excellent video thanks very much for that review. This was top of the list, because of the comfort and so on but not sure now as that range is really disappointing! My elderly parents live 160 miles away, so I need to be able to get there on one charge. Thanks again for the review,
I was genuinely impressed by the C4. It’s a much better car than I was expecting.
I’m doing the range test again next week, but this time in eco mode as I’m sure it is capable of going further.
So watch this space.
If you were averaging 3.5m per kWh in theory you had a max range of 157 miles, based on the usable capacity of 45kwh. You had enough range left to climb Telegraph hill and get onto the A380. It’s a shame there is no CCS charging in Newton Abbot as had there been, you could have pushed it a bit more. But the test route was good and you could argue realistic range of around 150 / 160 miles.
I was tempted to push on and go back via Dawlish, Teignmouth, Shaldon to avoid telegraph. I’m sure it would have made it going that way, but I wasn’t feeling that adventurous that day.
The range is more than good enough! Will surely go for a test drive! My friend has one and in Eco mode it is great and that is the mode you should be in when maximising the range. Of course if it is cold you might to go back to Normal now and then. 3.5 miles / kWh is like under 18 kWh / 100 km which sound completely normal for EV’s.
I agree, the range won’t be a problem for 90% of owners, but as you know, people tend to be obsessed with total range even though they probably will hardly ever need anything more.
What range is your friend getting?
If I had more time with the car I would’ve repeated the journey in eco, with climate off.
@@chargeelectric9905 just Eco, don’t try to mess with anything else, it is not worth it.
@@chargeelectric9905 this is true, but a lack of confidence in ability to get somewhere in a predicable time ( given the shortcomings in en route charging infrastructure at present) can be a significant turn off for potential EV users. Given that your review of the car was otherwise so positive, and test route very appropriate, I wonder if the supplier might lend it to you again to repeat the test in eco mode only?
This range issue ( for getting to airports etc) would be the only one putting me off this car, you covered all other aspects very well.
Yes it’s genuinely a really good car, but I was a tad disappointed with the range. I’m hoping to do the same route shortly with another car to see how that does.
@@chargeelectric9905 I think people are also afraid of depreciation. EVs with shorter (500km) becomes more affordable.
Nice car though - did a test drive this weekend and I like it 😊
I dont see nothing wrong to stop more often if available range is not enough. Some of us can take cofee, a cigarette, or have a rest for next trip. During charging you can have a also some break with your partner on back seats😊 but in this case it depends on your stamina or car should have pretty fast charging available😂 we own this car and we can recommend! If you like comfort ride, you should buy this or look for something better in much more expensive tier.
Surely on a long journey you would use eco? Shorter journey's normal or sport
The vast majority of my commuting the car is in Sport mode. Long journeys I put it in eco and relax. 👍
So you stopped with 19% charge twenty miles from home? Isn't that 10 kw/h? Which would have taken you another 35 miles.
19% would be 8.5kw, so would have been 29 miles. If I was feeling brave I would have given it a go, but I didn’t fancy taking the car back on the back of a truck. 😄
Looking at buying a two year old one of these, it’s £16k….would you recommend?
Yes I would. Very comfortable, not bad looking.
Also consider its sister car the Peugeot e-2008. This feels a bit more solid and is a bit more practical in the back and boot.
The 2008 is coming out at about 1/2k more for a 2 year older model though 🤷🏻♂️
Wy not test it in eco-mode also. I always drive my Zoe in eco...
I would have liked to but I didn’t have enough time with the car to do it.
Thanks for watching.
You lose heater if you use eco mode....its stupid but citroen thinks thats a good ideia
My 38kwh ioniq would do that easy even in this weather.
I had a 38kw Ioniq as a company car. It is the most efficient EV I have driven.
The problem with this car is that it's got the same battery as the Peugeot e208 and the Opel/Vauxhall Corsa e, 50 kWh gross, 45 kWh net. That's too small for this car, it needs at least 60 kWh.
PSA/Stellantis has got good electric cars but it seems they're too shy to experiment with other batteries, as well as the limitations of sharing same platform and structure with ICE cars.
Better to take an Opel/Vauxhall Corsa e that it did 167 miles with carwow on motorway (same battery, smaller car = more range).
would cruise control help save some "fuel" in an electric car?
It might do if the route was completely flat, but in the hilly area I live in, I find it best to not use cruise.
I have the Peugeot e-208 which is the brother of the e-c4 , same battery etc. I have found it is probably the least efficient ev out there. I've had a Nissan Leaf 24kw before the pug and it was way more efficient.
I’m trying to get my hands on an e-208. I love the look of it.
What sort of range are you getting?
@@chargeelectric9905 The same as the e-c4 at 4 degrees. I drive fairly efficiently with hardly any motorway use.. From about 18 degrees I get 5kwh and below 5 degrees get about 3-3.5khw. So mid winter 130 miles and summer 190-200.Nice car but as it's not a dedicated ev it lacks that quietness and efficiency. From 10 degrees the efficiency jumps, guessing to do with the battery chemistry. Vauxhall , pug, Citroen and DS are all part of the PSA group so share all the ev tech. If you want efficiency you need to get Hyundai, Kia or Tesla at the moment but they tend to be more expensive.
@@happykarmaman34 as far as I know all electric cars get bad efficiency at 4°c and below, even the Nissan leaf, Hyundai Kona and Tesla model 3. Go check out Bjørn he does very precise mathematical range tests 👍
Well you said it was a real world test, I would ask would you normally do that journey in normal mode all the way?
Yeah with the Ioniq and KONA EV's I had in the past, I just used to go everywhere in normal mode. Eco didn't make that much difference with those.
@@chargeelectric9905 If that is what you normally do then fair enough but I think most EV drivers would not drive that type of journey in normal mode all the way, your vehicle has an eco mode for a reason, it makes no sense to not make use of it on that type of journey as normal mode is not required for a good proportion of the journey, personally my car runs in eco mode for probably 75% of a long journey, it doesn’t add a huge amount but as you stated in that video, you topped up because you thought it was a close call on the range to reach home. Do you not think that had you you used the eco mode for a good proportion of that journey you would have got home without a stop, we all drive to the capability of the vehicle we are driving. If I drove a vehicle that I knew had more than enough range thru past experience then I might make use of the extra pace on the vehicle even if I knew it was not necessary. On the other hand if I was driving another vehicle I had no experience of I would tend to drive it to its best potential, that gives me a realistic idea of the cars range on an average journey,this does not mean switching everything off and freezing to death inside, I mean driving the car to its full potential, that to me is real world driving.
It’s really interesting talking to people through this channel as everyone has different experiences. I love your points, and the more I drive different brands, I’m learning a lot. As I said for 3 years I was driving Hyundai EV’s where eco didn’t make much difference, but other brands the eco mode seems to be much more effective.
But watch this space, the eC4 could well be appearing again soon on this channel.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
One reason, why I won't be buying an EV for a while until the batteries are better. I suppose its OK for driving round town, just long journeys don't seem possible yet.
Thanx!!!
Pity. I was going to look at the eC4. Not going to bother now. Id3 for me.
Better to hold of buying a electric car if it can't do 250 miles I'm not buying electric anytime soon and they get in my price range there to expensive!
@@davelocktalk id3 and id4 can do 250miles. But they are expensieve for now. Be years before there is one in the 10 to 15grand range.
@@Id3fornow... yeah to expencive the governments should help out more quicker we all get away from fossil fuels the better.
@@davelocktalk and i factored in fuel costs. Tolls. Tyres etc. It is still cheaper for me go run a new elcctric car that it is to run a 2018 or so diesle or hybrid.
That is extremely disappointing, was seriously considering this car.
I will keep my C4 Cactus 1.2 Puretech petrol...
Nice review mate ..like you said pretty disappointing that range 😒..
I know. I really wanted it to be better as I really like everything else about the car.
Buy the 1.2 petrol! You won't be disappointed! It's a Great Car
Car is comfortable but the range is CRAP!
is much better driving on Eco
It's kw/100km. Stop with the outdated imperial system. It's morally and te hincally degraded and not to be used in moder age.
Using some online calculators those 3.5 nonsese per kw is like 17.8 kw/100km, which is very good value.
Best values for evs have like 15kw/100km in warm weather.
Could it be a problem with the vehicle reporting bad SOC or even having battery issues?!
Thank you for your feedback.
Miles per kWh is the units that we generally use in Britain, just like miles per gallon is the units we use in a combustion engine car.
The Citroen I was driving is UK spec, so the consumption is set to miles per kWh.
In the future I might put the metric conversion on the screen when talking about consumption if that helps.
I know miles not km .!
Miles is right, km is wrong
All you lot better come back from your farmers era into the modern world and use the universal standardized system..you know for the intelligent smart modern people.
Especially when hoping to provide reviews and information.
@@tommyb6611 If you're so smart then why don't you stop crying like a baby and just translate miles to KM? Also there is no such thing as a "universal standardised system", if there was then you wouldn't be having this conversation. Not impressively smart words from a self-professed "intelligent smart modern person", hmm?