Going to the Moon with Gemini Instead of Apollo?

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  • Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
  • With the end of the decade already looming over NASA, the agency started considering other ways to get to the Moon. One possibility was to use the Gemini spacecraft, the one then under development by McDonnell, the company who also built the Mercury spacecraft.
    For more on the lunar Gemini proposal including the different variations of the mission, check out this archived blog post on Vintage Space: amyshirateitel....
    And for a lot more Vintage Space, check out my blog on Popular Science: www.popsci.com/...
    And also follow me on Facebook, Google+, Instagram, and Twitter as @astVintageSpace.

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  • @CountArtha
    @CountArtha 9 лет назад +105

    Apparently every astronaut who flew the Gemini capsule said it was his favorite spacecraft. It was sportier than Apollo and handled like a jet fighter.

    • @GroundHOG-2010
      @GroundHOG-2010 8 лет назад +14

      +CountArtha Only thing was it didn't have the best headroom.

    • @almostfm
      @almostfm 8 лет назад +18

      +tightshot88 That's the kind of mission that by the end, you've either flown with your best friend or your worst enemy.

    • @bobert4him
      @bobert4him 8 лет назад +17

      +tightshot88 Gemini may have been a sports car to the boys. But, once NASA bolted all this extra equipment to the back, lobed it all the way to the lunar surface, flown it back about a week in the prone position without changing out of the spacesuit - they would have smelled like zombies and looked about as healthy. The charm would have been lost.

    • @almostfm
      @almostfm 8 лет назад +20

      bobert4him Apparently the Apollo CM was pretty whiffy by the end of a mission. One of the astronauts (I wanna say Duke, but I can't remember for sure) told a story about the evening after splashdown. One of the techs on board the recovery ship stuck his head in the CM to get something, and immediately started gagging from the smell.
      One difficulty that they had with making the drinking water with the fuel cells is that the water had numerous tiny bubbles of hydrogen in it. When you drink that, it does a number on your intestinal tract and makes any gaseous emissions particularly florid.
      The astronauts didn't notice because it built up over the course of the flight.

    • @Rhubba
      @Rhubba 8 лет назад +11

      +almostfm It was Bill Anders who told that story.

  • @premactor
    @premactor 8 лет назад +13

    Must admit, the only thing that fascinates me more than these described events is the fact that You have SO MUCH enthusiasm for it, that this video was done on the spot in some room, and the time was "NOW". Fascinating fascination. You inspire more people than you can imagine...

  • @WilliamJakespeareProps
    @WilliamJakespeareProps 9 лет назад +158

    The moon in Gemini? that would have been crazy! I can't even stand a few hours in a small car.

    • @SirDeanosity
      @SirDeanosity 8 лет назад +33

      +Ann Teak To coupe with.

    • @Kyoptic
      @Kyoptic 8 лет назад +14

      +SirDeanosity, that went terribly unappreciated... *tips hat*

    • @k1productions87
      @k1productions87 8 лет назад +19

      Lets also not forget that the same time span had already been accomplished. Gordo Cooper and Pete Conrad spent 8 days on Gemini V, while Frank Borman and Jim Lovell spent 14 days on Gemini VII. Granted, if they either didn't have the lightweight suits, or were allowed to both have it off for the earlier duration of the mission, the smells wouldn't have been quite so bad, lol.

    • @MajorCaliber
      @MajorCaliber 7 лет назад +7

      As UNcomfortable as that would've been compared to Apollo, there's not a single astronaut of that era who wouldn't have been just as eager to "GO FOR TLI!"... "Roger, Go for TLI, AGC Program 15 loaded, IU parameters upload complete, and... Master ARM switch ON!... Moon or BUST!" =:O

    • @soilsurvivor
      @soilsurvivor 5 лет назад +5

      @@MajorCaliber Lovell & Borman set a duration record (at the time) of nearly 14 days in Gemini 7 -- easily enough time for a lunar mission.

  • @64davrecon
    @64davrecon 8 лет назад +74

    I prefer to imagine what it would have been like if we'd followed Von Braun's original plan to do a massive expedition to the moon, using three ships and 50 astronaut crew members, where they stay for 6 weeks and then return.....But when you're pressed for time, romance goes out the window....

    • @riomax4099
      @riomax4099 7 лет назад +15

      What?! 3 ships , 50 astronauts , 6 weeks on moon ? This sounds like something from a movie about german crazy genius scientist..

    • @doesitmatter1667
      @doesitmatter1667 7 лет назад +1

      Rio max Note, genius.

    • @killersalmon4359
      @killersalmon4359 6 лет назад +11

      It sounds like the story line of a lot of sci-fi films from the 50's and 60's. The only thing missing is a moon monster that looks suspiciously like a guy in a rubber suit that seems to have a predilection for kidnapping sexy female scientists in skin-tight space suits.

    • @twistedyogert
      @twistedyogert 6 лет назад +2

      Well, he sort of was. But it takes crazy people to undergo the risks of going into space.

    • @dougmc666
      @dougmc666 6 лет назад +10

      Von Braun was a big fan of big missions, it would have been very different manned space program if he'd had his way.

  • @nmh5001
    @nmh5001 9 лет назад +168

    Apollo 13 would have looked a bit different without a LM to retreat to.

    • @robertodeleon-gonzalez9844
      @robertodeleon-gonzalez9844 8 лет назад +14

      +nmh5001 Apollo 13's crew was able to return to Earth due to the LM as it was configured. Had the Gemini-moon design been adopted, those three men might have not survived.

    • @k1productions87
      @k1productions87 8 лет назад +24

      This is all assuming the Apollo 13 explosion would have even happened, had it been Gemini-XIX or Gemini L-7 or whatever the name would have been.

    • @mrmurph5046
      @mrmurph5046 7 лет назад +7

      So, too, would have Apollo 8 if the same mishap had happened on that flight. Not sure I understand your point.

    • @andypage9
      @andypage9 7 лет назад +4

      Obviously, Apollo 8 nor Apollo 13 would have ever happened if the Apollo spacecraft/program didn't exist.

    • @soilsurvivor
      @soilsurvivor 7 лет назад +9

      I think the point nmh5001 is trying to make is that having two spacecraft provided a "lifeboat" redundancy in the system. Had the same mishap occurred on a lunar Gemini flight, there would have been no such option, and the crew might likely have died in space. Don't forget, they had redundant H2 and O2 systems in the SM, and both of these failed on 13. It was only the presence of a completely separate, self-contained backup (the LM) that enabled the crew to survive.

  • @southtexasprepper1837
    @southtexasprepper1837 4 года назад +2

    It is funny that "Vintage Space" mentions in this video. There was a movie called "Countdown" (1968) that starred Robert Duvall and James Caan. It was a story about a American Moon Landing. The lander had the Descent Stage of the Lunar Module, but the one-man Crew Cabin was a Gemini Spacecraft. One of my favorite James Caan and Robert Duvall movies of all time. Another one of my favorite Apollo Era movies is "Marooned" (1969) with Gregory Peck.

  • @TommyG1313
    @TommyG1313 7 лет назад +5

    After seeing how much trouble the astronauts had getting back into the Gemini spacecraft after an EVA as well as the condition of Frank Borman and Jim Lovell after their endurance flight I think it's a damned good thing that Jim Webb put his foot down and squashed this plan!

  • @johnwalkup9133
    @johnwalkup9133 8 лет назад +10

    I adore your presentations. So well done. These programs were the second and third decade of my life. All the nerds knew every detail available. Yet I always learn at least one new thing from you. I always liked the Gemini, maybe partly because it was built in my hometown, and had more pilot input than the others. Many of my parent's friends worked on it. Others, like my Dad worked for sub-contractors. It was the real "Golden Age" of manned space flight.

  • @theremoteanater
    @theremoteanater 8 лет назад +54

    im glad i found a channel that is as interested in space exploration as i am.

  • @lorensims4846
    @lorensims4846 3 года назад +3

    I heard about this idea several years ago. I saw a lot more artist renderings including a space station and a moon base all based on the Gemini capsule.
    The astronauts loved the Gemini because instead of just sitting in there, as with the Mercury or Apollo capsules, this one felt more like a real pilot's ship. I mean they actually tested staying in orbit for fourteen days in one of those things.

  • @nickgushue8641
    @nickgushue8641 9 лет назад +8

    Amy,
    Keep up the good work.
    Amazing info and history lessons.
    It's people like you that will get us to the stars!

  • @georgew.5639
    @georgew.5639 3 года назад +6

    It would have needed a different heat shield as the return velocity is much higher than a normal orbital flight.

  • @KOakaKO
    @KOakaKO 8 лет назад +16

    In a Gemini capsule? I think the astronauts of at least one mission would have gone stir crazy in that small of a space. :P

    • @TheHannible
      @TheHannible 5 лет назад +2

      Cant remember who they was but 2 dudes spent 2 weeks in the Gemini capsule in orbit?

    • @joevignolor4u949
      @joevignolor4u949 5 лет назад +5

      @@TheHannible - Jim Lovell and Frank Borman spent 14 days orbiting the earth during Gemini 7. Their boredom was interrupted briefly when Gemini 6 launched into space and rendezvoused with Gemini 7.

  • @KlunkerRider
    @KlunkerRider 8 лет назад +14

    This was sort of the idea behind the 1960's movie "Countdown" which sent James Caan solo to the moon in a Gemini.

    • @Rhubba
      @Rhubba 8 лет назад +4

      +KlunkerRider ...and his life is saved because he thought to bring his lucky toy mouse with him.

    • @f1b0nacc1sequence7
      @f1b0nacc1sequence7 3 года назад

      Actually in the book he flew a modified Mercury capsule.

    • @tense99
      @tense99 3 года назад

      A film about the first country to send James Caan to the moon and it didn't get an academy award?!

  • @briandougherty2475
    @briandougherty2475 7 лет назад +1

    My grandmother worked at McDonnell until 1976.
    There was some talk about using Agena to do a free return around the moon and back.
    If I remember correctly, Agena didn't have the thrust to do it. Also there was concerns about stress on the mate point between Agena and Gemini during TLI.
    On the later flights, Agena did help change the orbit but not at the thrust needed for TLI.

  • @61Ldf
    @61Ldf 3 года назад

    I am watching this 6 years old vid in 2021 and realize how good you became during the years. Respect!

  • @Gyrocage
    @Gyrocage 6 лет назад +4

    I have always wondered about the heat shield on a lunar Gemini. The standard heat shield would never have been adequate for reentry at 24,000 mph. I suspect that in addition to mounting a thicker and heavier heat shield on the base some kind of additional thermal protection would have been needed over the titanium shingles on the sides.

  • @Budweiser8Jr
    @Budweiser8Jr 9 лет назад +2

    Love your recent focus on the best program, Gemini. Nice to learn good history and appreciate beauty all at once.

  • @fangzahnspecialcargo4358
    @fangzahnspecialcargo4358 5 лет назад +4

    Sounds like a great mission for Lovell and Borman after their 14-day flight on Gemini 7 ;-)

  • @stevensonDonnie
    @stevensonDonnie Год назад +2

    It was used as a moon lander. In the movie “Countdown”.

  • @plumsink
    @plumsink 8 лет назад +7

    There was a movie loosely based on that idea, 1968's Countdown. In it, an unoccupied base module was sent to the moon and then a modified gemini was set to land nearby, whereupon the sole astronaut would hunker down in the base until they could bring him home. ;)
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countdown_(1968_film)

  • @CromemcoZ2
    @CromemcoZ2 9 лет назад +1

    Great video! I laughed a bit at you referring to that huge 2-stage spacecraft as a "service module", but then couldn't think of a better name. :)

  • @joeyschwartz82
    @joeyschwartz82 8 лет назад +21

    In fall 1961, Jim Chamberlin, the designer and first program manager of Gemini, also designed a "lunar Gemini" when the project was still called "Mercury II". It actually was the first case of a system using Lunar Orbit Rendezvous (LOR) and was completely different than the method mentioned in the video. He designed, along fellow Avro Canada alumni, Owen Maynard, a Lunar Module that was open-faced, and obviously non-pressurized. This configuration would not have needed the Saturn V and could have flown possibly two or even three years earlier than Apollo 11 because it was essentially a standard Gemini, and the only new piece of equipment was the lander. Since it got shot down by Jim Webb in late fall 1961, a final decision was not made on what rocket and inter-stage would have been used to perform TLI and TEI. Do you have more information about this system?

    • @AmyShiraTeitel
      @AmyShiraTeitel  8 лет назад +11

      +Joey Schwartz I do, somewhere deep in my massive folder of pdfs (as a Canadian I'm a big Chamberlain fan!). I'll try to dig stuff up, but it might take me a while!

    • @joeyschwartz82
      @joeyschwartz82 8 лет назад +2

      I think Chamberlin's September 1961 proposal called for a Lunar Flyby in1966 using a Centaur rocket stage for the TLI and TEI burns (not entirely sure if it was orbital or not, might have been a circumlunar flight with free return).

    • @joeyschwartz82
      @joeyschwartz82 8 лет назад +2

      +tightshot88 Well, it was a bridge in that it was the first serious LOR design at the Space Task Group (STG). Chamberlin's use of modules specific to functions - such as lunar landing and launching, Earth return - made the system more practical from an engineering perspective. It paved the way for others at STG to take LOR seriously, and it helped John Homboult gain the support he needed to push that mode through the various panels at NASA. It was in July 1962 that LOR was decided on within NASA. NASA's headquarters officials -namely Robert Seamans, Hugh Dryden, James Webb, and Brainerd Holmes - concurred with a recommendation for LOR by the Manned Space Flight Management Council that month. Without Chamberlin's Lunar Gemini concept, and its modular spacecraft approach, it is most likely that EOR would have been the mode decided on in 1962.

    • @TiberiusTormentia
      @TiberiusTormentia 8 лет назад +2

      Well, Hell, think about how bored those poor souls at Grumman would have been, with no LEM to build, if NASA had gone that route...I think it showed great sensitivity to the feelings of all of those engineers and designers of the LEM that they weren't left with anything to do but bend paperclips and drink bad coffee.

    • @paulmoadibe9321
      @paulmoadibe9321 8 лет назад +1

      A Canadian's Avro engineer ? that explain why that configuration wasn't selected... he was Canadian ! that's also why Avro was closed down and why they put some sort of long "pins" under the LEM legs........

  • @ScottA1966
    @ScottA1966 6 лет назад +3

    Never knew this, and I thought I knew it all about the space program!

  • @handelnumber1
    @handelnumber1 5 лет назад

    In 1965 in Adelaide, we had a little kitten Gemini. In 1966 we moved to Brisbane, Gemini flew on a Boeing 727, he was there in 2-3hrs. We went by bus, it took 3 days. What a cool cat GEMINI.

  • @SineCalvin9
    @SineCalvin9 9 лет назад +1

    I would love to see a video on the unrealized emergency re-entry methods explored in the early years of spaceflight. Rogallo wings instead of parachutes on capsules, individual crew escape inflatable/foam inflated pods, etc.

  • @CromemcoZ2
    @CromemcoZ2 9 лет назад

    I see several people commenting on how the capsule must have smelled and spending so long in such a small space: Take a look at Gemini 7. Borman and Lovell spent 14 days sitting in that bathtub! They crapped into plastic bags that had adhesive around the lip, and it was so crowded your partner had to help deal with your bag. Fun!
    Maybe Amy knows whether this one's true, but I've heard that a sailor who reached into the capsule to help the astronauts unstrap vomited into one of their laps when the smell hit him. A memorable welcome home!

  • @apollolander11
    @apollolander11 9 лет назад

    I have seen many documents,articles,books ect ect on the Mercury, Gemini and especially Apollo programs. I have never seen these diagrams! Thanks Amy, outstanding

  • @GuruThesla
    @GuruThesla 9 лет назад +107

    Ok, imagine being locked in a chair for around one and a half week... not exactaly the most comfy ride in the world.

    • @lesnyk255
      @lesnyk255 9 лет назад +27

      GuruThesla Well, Frank Borman & Jim Lovell did just that for 14 days in Gemini 7 - and they'd agree, it wasn't exactly a pleasure cruise!

    • @richiesmith2292
      @richiesmith2292 9 лет назад +3

      GuruThesla shouldn't be too bad, there isn't gravity to pull you down into the seat

    • @GuruThesla
      @GuruThesla 9 лет назад +3

      Richie Smith still, you can't really stretch. pluss, you can never go to the bathroom with privacy.

    • @GuruThesla
      @GuruThesla 9 лет назад +4

      lesnyk255 oh man, some true heroes they are!

    • @GuruThesla
      @GuruThesla 9 лет назад +10

      +SKYLANDBAK if i remember correctaly, they had a problem with this in one of the apollos. all of a sudden, flying dingleberry....

  • @Mettbroetchen100
    @Mettbroetchen100 9 лет назад +1

    This awsome series about space history is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!

  • @allgood6760
    @allgood6760 3 года назад

    I got interested in space when a Gemini spacecraft visited down under.. thanks from NZ 👍🇳🇿

  • @Senor0Droolcup
    @Senor0Droolcup 9 лет назад +5

    Love this channel. Thank you!

  • @albertor9879
    @albertor9879 9 лет назад +49

    Could you do a video on the soviet Soyuz program?

    • @bobert4him
      @bobert4him 8 лет назад +7

      +Alberto Ramirez The Soviet space program would be a great topic and a can of worms to boot. Research would require expertise at navigating revised history and propaganda.

    • @lawrencedoliveiro9104
      @lawrencedoliveiro9104 7 лет назад +2

      It’s been done: ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20000088626

  • @ronaldschroder7222
    @ronaldschroder7222 5 лет назад +4

    Gemini only had room for 2 astronauts.
    It was my favorite and cool asf.
    Never meant to go the moon.
    Need 2 for L.M and 1 for CM.

  • @dickrichard3231
    @dickrichard3231 9 лет назад +1

    This is such an awesome video, especially since I LOVE alternative history. Thanks!

  • @matthewdwatrous
    @matthewdwatrous 6 лет назад +1

    Thank you for answering a question I had as a nerdy, NASA-obsessed pre-teen in the 60s.

  • @rpc717
    @rpc717 5 лет назад +1

    Thank God for Jim Webb. It's a great intellectual exercise to figure out how to do it, but "just because they could doesn't mean that they should."

  • @NicosMind
    @NicosMind 9 лет назад

    Ive subscribed to a few "space" channels and literally learn less than nothing (like a guy claimed that it was quicker to get to Mars than Venus, and he did it 3 times in 2 different videos). However this channel is top quality. Thanks for your vids :)

  • @empirecycleman355
    @empirecycleman355 8 лет назад

    My comment has more to do with Amy. She does a great job in digging up all this stuff for us to enjoy. Thank you Amy!

  • @cateclism316
    @cateclism316 3 года назад +3

    If you saw the movie "Countdown (1968)", an astronaut landed on the moon using a modified Gemini. Only one!

  • @AzraiRazuan
    @AzraiRazuan 9 лет назад +5

    Great videos Amy. How did the engineers deal with cryogenic liquids and thermal expansion issues of metals. Were there problems with maintaining precision tolerances say in the rocketdyne f1 turbopumps? Did the uninsulated S1C LOX tank actually contract? Did the aluminum become brittle? What knowledge on metallurgy was involved? Likewise the thermal shock stresses on metals in spaceflight. How did they work on these issues?

  • @user-jp1tj1hr7n
    @user-jp1tj1hr7n 3 месяца назад

    Look up the movie “Countdown” which featured a Gemini lunar landing spacecraft. It was a one way spacecraft planning to land next to a previously launched and landed lunar survival shelter. The plan was to place an American astronaut on the moon before the Soviets and have him brought back to earth months later by Apollo!

  • @craigcorson3036
    @craigcorson3036 4 года назад +1

    The plot of the film "Countdown" would have required that a single person pilot the lunar module to a landing. I remember Buzz Aldrin giving Armstrong what sounded like critical information during the descent. COULD one person have managed the landing alone?

  • @bertseals3248
    @bertseals3248 3 года назад +1

    Reminds me of the 1968 movie by James Caan and Robert Duval entitled ”Countdown”. The Gemini capsule was mounted on the descent stage of the LEM. Check it out, very interesting and entertaining movie for space buffs👍

  • @ihasbagus849
    @ihasbagus849 3 года назад

    Thanks for a short watchable video!!!

  • @billlittlejohn2331
    @billlittlejohn2331 3 года назад

    I really enjoy your videos. I'm a space junkie and I remember when Apollo 11 landed. It was on my Bday.

  • @535tony
    @535tony 8 лет назад

    There was a Science Fiction Move made in the sixties called Countdown. In this movie a Gemini Capsule with a lunar descent stage made a one way trip to the Moon. The shingle Astronaut had to walk to a shelter to wait for Apollo to eventually be rescued. Interesdting Movie

  • @3dcritter
    @3dcritter 6 лет назад

    I seem to recall seeing a timeline/cost/benefit comparison between Apollo and Lunar Gemini programs. The latter did have some projected cost savings and, depending on the number of test flights, a shorter development time, but it was not a substantial difference. Where Apollo seemed to have a big advantage was the quantity and quality of lunar exploration. More experiments, more sample returns, more time on the lunar surface.

  • @Zoomer30
    @Zoomer30 9 лет назад +1

    They also had Big Gemini and Gemini B that was to be used with the Manned Orbital Laboratory. I think when Kerbal Space Program ships for the PS4 I will try to do some Agena missions and some space station missions.

  • @gregorygomes1267
    @gregorygomes1267 2 месяца назад

    As someone who grew up with Gemini, when I read this, I was intrigued. I agree with James Webb. Landing Gemini on the moon would divert too much funding from apollo, but there were less complex lunar missions that could have been accomplished. Suppose a fully fueled centaur rocket with a Gemini adapter attached to it much like the Agena spacecraft had, was placed into orbit, with a "Lunar ready" Gemini spacecraft with a more robust heat shield covering both the craft and its blunt end was used? I don't know which rockets would have been needed, but I would guess the heavier Gemini could not have been lifted into orbit by a Titan II. Perhaps both needed a Titan IIIC. Geminis 10 and 11 both used the less powerful Agena to boost each craft into higher earth orbital missions. The more powerful Centaur could have sent Gemini on a loop around the moon like the path Apollo 13 eventually took. What would the science be on such a mission? Probably negligible, but we could have "gone to the moon and returned safely to earth" almost 2 full years before Apollo 8, and gave us a commanding lead in the space race. In addition, such a mission would have taken only 6 days, well within the design specifications for the Gemini spacecraft.

  • @scarletlightning565
    @scarletlightning565 9 лет назад +6

    Sounds very Kerbal to me. The whole idea of a daisy-chain lander is key to that game. But real life? A bit more hardware assurance and alternative options are needed (Apollo 13 anyone?)

    • @Crosshair84
      @Crosshair84 6 лет назад

      Yup. In real life, staging is a very risky maneuver and these plans involved staging only a mile off the surface?
      Not to mention the rube-Goldberg methods for the astronauts to be able to see the surface.

  • @richardjstuart3978
    @richardjstuart3978 6 лет назад +1

    Interesting. As successful as the Gemini program was it does seem strange in hindsight that they never did anything else with the program. I know they had ideas like this and Big Gemini.

  • @observerlink4124
    @observerlink4124 7 лет назад

    I don't know if you remember the movie Countdown (1967) with James Caan and Robert Duvall and Ted Knight, but this shows a manned lunar landing with a Gemini capsule.

  • @judmcc
    @judmcc 7 лет назад +1

    I've wondered if a Gemini launched by a Titan III could do a loop around the Moon. No landing, and not go into orbit around the Moon. If that would have worked, it could have been done a lot sooner than Apollo 8.

  • @marktercsak5580
    @marktercsak5580 6 лет назад +2

    Well the designed a giant Gemini capsule that could sit 12 astronauts there was a hatch at the back of the capsule and entered into a another stage where
    There was living quarters. Making it more roomier.

  • @sandbridgekid4121
    @sandbridgekid4121 9 лет назад +2

    What about an video about Blue Gemini, Advanced Gemini, and/or the Manned Orbital Laboratory. MOL's astronauts werefolded into NASA Astronaut Corps upon its cancellation (Thanks SecDef McNamara) including Robert Crippen of STS-1 Columbia.

  • @HiltTilt
    @HiltTilt 5 лет назад

    Released on my birthday 3 years ago. :) Very interesting video thanks for making this, hadn't heard of gemini prior to this video.

  • @zeffii
    @zeffii 9 лет назад +6

    Project Orion would have been a ride-and-a-half, if you're thinking alternative histories

  • @luclaviolette6612
    @luclaviolette6612 9 лет назад +1

    Here is my show request. How about a show featuring some of the sites where the research and manufacturing took place and the manufacturers themselves (insert: "road trip!" Here). JPL, Boeing, Rockwell, Grumman, Huntsville, Cape Canaveral and, well I'm sure you can do more than that. It would be interesting to see the leaps in manufacturing and technology knowledge gained through the space program. Thanks again for a great show.

  • @zudemaster
    @zudemaster 7 лет назад

    You have got to realize that at some point someone comes up with wild concepts and ideas for every project. It does not mean it was ever seriously considered or proposed. Just something someone threw up on a chalkboard when they were bored.

  • @johnc.bojemski1757
    @johnc.bojemski1757 3 года назад

    Of course it highlighted the point she was making about the cramped conditions for the astronauts in the Geminii capsule by contrasting it against all the "space" she was enjoying.

  • @KrustyKlown
    @KrustyKlown 8 лет назад +18

    I want to go back to the Moon, with Amy !!!

  • @vladvoznyuk
    @vladvoznyuk 3 года назад

    There was also a proposal for a Gemini-Agena stack lunar flyby. This idea could have actually been quite plausible without a whole lot of modifications to the already available technology at the time.

  • @Carnivore-Dwayne
    @Carnivore-Dwayne 4 года назад +1

    I love seeing girls excited about all this stuff!
    I love your videos!!

  • @trekkstr
    @trekkstr 7 лет назад

    Did anyone mention the movie Countdown? the pilgrim mission sent one astronaut in a Gemini craft with LEM descent stage. then the astronaut would land near by and get into an ISO shelter till Apollo landed 1 year later. it stared James Caan and Robert Duval.

  • @davidharris6581
    @davidharris6581 8 лет назад +5

    You asked for alternate history ideas. We know now, but did not know then, The Space Race, would be the final major battle of The Cold War. Therefore had we gotten to the Moon years earlier, it is entirely possible that the Space race and space program may have continued unabated after the Lunar Landings and possibly on to permanent Space Station, (instead of Skylab) Lunar colonization or a trip to Mars. Few people believed that a spirit of detente, nuclear weapons treaties, and political relations with China, would coincide with the last Apollo Missions. Therefore ending the sense of urgency and public support for Space Exploration. In other words, that five extra years of international tension would have benefited NASA.

    • @DavidGigg
      @DavidGigg 6 лет назад

      I think if the Russians got to the moon first we would have had a manned mission to Mars by 1980

  • @mistertagnan
    @mistertagnan 9 лет назад +1

    In buzz aldrin's space program manager when you do some rnd Gemini is one of the options so that's how I found out about this idea

  • @mvglackin
    @mvglackin 9 лет назад +1

    I believe any of the astronaut pilots could have landed just about anything they could fly to the moon. It would really be interesting to have seen the Gemini go to the moon.

  • @echozgus
    @echozgus 6 лет назад

    I remember the movie Countdown from 1968 with James Caan using a Gemini Capsule for landing on the moon but nasa sent a shelter he must find that looks very similar to the actual lunar module

  • @micmac99
    @micmac99 8 лет назад +11

    She is pronouncing Gemini "correctly", the way I hear it pronounced in various historical videos (such as contemporary news coverage). Not having been born until almost the end of the Apollo program I was pronouncing it "Gem-in-EYE" most of my life.

    • @skytrainii8933
      @skytrainii8933 8 лет назад +3

      +Michael Sheldon Reed - Yep she is correct in this case. The masculine nominative plural is usually pronounced with a long e.

    • @Lengsel7
      @Lengsel7 6 лет назад +5

      Gemin-eye is correct. Period.

    • @common_c3nts
      @common_c3nts 6 лет назад +2

      She is pronouncing it wrong. Go watch any documentary with interviews. It is gemin-eye. I dont get why she is doing this, it is embarrassing.

    • @farpointgamingdirect
      @farpointgamingdirect 6 лет назад +1

      Common_C3nts Take a lesson in Greek. It's GEM-in-KNEE.

    • @farpointgamingdirect
      @farpointgamingdirect 6 лет назад +1

      Brad K Take a lesson in Greek. It's GEM-in-KNEE

  • @arrowhead753
    @arrowhead753 9 лет назад +9

    Alternative history: Ellliot See and Charles Bassett become the first men on the moon... But seriously, Can you imagine how rank it must have been for Lovell and Borman after two weeks?

    • @jshepard152
      @jshepard152 4 года назад

      They say the smell was so bad it knocked the navy frogmen off the capsule when they opened the hatch.

  • @henrytjernlund
    @henrytjernlund 6 лет назад

    Nice soft lighting. (I used to do photography.)

  • @markusperttula1875
    @markusperttula1875 6 лет назад

    I am a space nerd but yet I have learnt so mutch from your videos. Tanks so mutch. Please, pretty please, post more stuff! P.s. I am very drunk but there was a moon

  • @eivilcow33
    @eivilcow33 9 лет назад +7

    Could you talk about the Gemini-MOL program?

    • @pedrovicnt_
      @pedrovicnt_ 6 лет назад +2

      upvote,i always wanted to know why the hell there is the Big G capsule on FASA mod for KSP

  • @forestsoceansmusic
    @forestsoceansmusic 6 лет назад +1

    What does "direct ascent trajectory" mean? I wish you would include trajectory diagrams of these considered missions. : /

    • @ConsciousAtoms
      @ConsciousAtoms 4 года назад

      Direct Ascent means that the entire spacecraft lands on the moon and lifts off again. In contrast to a lunar orbit rendez-vous that Apollo did, where a separate lander lands on the surface, lifts off and docks with the command module.

  • @steveprice33
    @steveprice33 6 лет назад +8

    Going to the Moon in Gemini may have resulted in the first space homicide.

  • @michaeldunne338
    @michaeldunne338 4 года назад

    A direct ascent landing with Gemini sounds like it would have been quite expensive and a bit risky. Probably best to have stuck with Apollo and a Lunar Orbital Rendezvous approach. But, if they needed to do a flyby of the Moon, like what the Soviets were considering with Zond (and did with a menageries including steppe tortoises), then would have to wonder if a Gemini on a Saturn 1B would have been possible (maybe with just one astronaut). Or possible to accomplish an Earth Orbital Rendezvous with a rocket booster (sent up by Saturn 1B, or a Titan III variant, like Titan IIIC), to do a flyby at the time (say around 1967/early 1968) ... like a more dramatic version of Gemini 11 getting boosted to 852 miles up by an Agena Target Vehicle?

  • @bobg1685
    @bobg1685 5 лет назад

    The Gemini builders would always have proposed these ideas as options, but NASA would always have passed; while Gemini was off-shelf tech that was relatively proven, it was not intended for much beyond orbital research, while Appolo was mission-specific as a moon program.
    Nicely done.

  • @dsatt57
    @dsatt57 9 лет назад +1

    Apollo 10 lost some control in the LM but regained it quickly. I recently saw footage of that. I don't recall any other Apollo flight losing total control.

    • @jshepard152
      @jshepard152 4 года назад

      "Son of a bitch!" - Tom Strafford

  • @davidk1308
    @davidk1308 9 лет назад +1

    Could you do a video or two about the Orion spacecraft? (1950 version)

  • @maxsmodels
    @maxsmodels 8 лет назад +7

    Watch the 1967 James Caan movie "Countdown" to see what it would look like. They do it int he film as the US is forced to respond to an early Russian attempt.

  • @antares_sum
    @antares_sum 9 лет назад

    Thanks for posting such informative and interesting videos about space exploration technology and history. They're always something to look forward to. Could I ask where you got that neat shirt you're wearing?

  • @thetroll268
    @thetroll268 8 лет назад

    I think i've learned more about space then the 5 trips I've taken to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum.

  • @chrismusix5669
    @chrismusix5669 7 лет назад

    This is closer to how I plan missions on the Mun in KSP.

  • @jimkirk360
    @jimkirk360 4 года назад +1

    Yeah being cooped up in something like that for that amount of time drive me insane.

    • @shananvarsha
      @shananvarsha 3 года назад +1

      IIRC Gemini 7 was about 14 days long. That'd have been a nightmare.

  • @USWaterRockets
    @USWaterRockets 9 лет назад

    Hi Amy! I thought I knew a lot about the Moon program, but this subject I did not know! You really are a wealth of information! It also seems like you were really stoked in this video, is that because you love Gemini so much?

  • @EricIrl
    @EricIrl 9 лет назад

    Shows you how much under pressure they felt they were under. Luckily, cooler heads prevailed and the (slightly) less hairy Apollo system was used.

  • @Jeffrey314159
    @Jeffrey314159 7 лет назад

    This idea was used in that 1964 movie: ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS

  • @roberttopham6373
    @roberttopham6373 7 лет назад

    could you give more info on moll . where a gemini had an empty booster with a door in the heat shield. kind of a cheap skylab. also how versatile the gemini spacecraft really was

  • @BD12
    @BD12 9 лет назад

    Neat, I was hoping there'd be a vid on this

  • @playgroundchooser
    @playgroundchooser 9 лет назад +1

    Jim Lovell & Frank Borman spent a couple weeks(!) in a Gemini capsule on Gemini 7 (if memory serves correct). So it wouldn't be impossible to go to the moon and back in one.

    • @squidfungus1955
      @squidfungus1955 9 лет назад +1

      +playgroundchooser And if you ask them, they almost went nuts.

    • @ChristopherUSSmith
      @ChristopherUSSmith 6 лет назад +3

      Anthony Belkowski And yet NASA paired them again on Apollo 8. :)

  • @bolivardigriz8847
    @bolivardigriz8847 7 лет назад

    I'd guess that the smaller basic size of the Gemini architecture would have precluded many of the experiment packages and rover that later flew on Apollo. To finally perform those experiments there may have been a larger Apollo, perhaps closer in size to the current Orion project.
    Just my speculations....

  • @SAABguyMD
    @SAABguyMD 9 лет назад

    I was not aware of this, thank you for the quick and concise video. You rock! :-)

  • @TieFighterPilot
    @TieFighterPilot 3 года назад

    That would make a nice scale model.

  • @TheGroundedAviator
    @TheGroundedAviator 6 лет назад

    There was a plan for a free return trajectory flight using a Centaur stage in a manner similar too the Agena on earlier flights. But in the end how much cargo can this carry? Not much I'd say.

  • @johnmorris7815
    @johnmorris7815 5 лет назад

    I see a lot of comments about the space in Gemini v Apollo, remember please that all these guys are pilots and trust me when I say there is no such thing as a spacious flight deck, my current ride is the B747-400 and the bit where we sit is no bigger than the DC 9, I admit if the mood takes me I can wander about in the passenger cabin if I want to but usually I spend anywhere from 6 to 10 hrs in that little space, most of the guys on the space program however were fast jet pilots that where used to the even smaller confines of a single seat fighter jet, I expect Gemini would have been a big improvement?

  • @ti994apc
    @ti994apc 7 лет назад

    The extra weight of that escape system was crazy.

  • @lukejohnson8126
    @lukejohnson8126 4 года назад +1

    My Granpa worked on Gemini 5,6, and 7

  • @davcbow
    @davcbow 7 лет назад

    Since Gemini only had 2 astronauts, there wouldn't have been any in orbit pics of the surface or the landing site unless they planned extra orbits to do those things.

  • @TechNed
    @TechNed 6 лет назад

    A two-person mission could have been tricky but moreover, would it have made the major achievements of Gemini redundant? I refer mainly to the proof of concept of rendezvous since now there would not have been a need for the LEM to be flipped around mid-flight since the LEM and the CM are one and the same..