December 2023 Tesla 600 Mile Challenge
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- This is the fifth time that I've completed the 600 mile Tesla challenge from Aberdeenshire, Scotland to West Sussex in England.
Since last year there have been 15% more Teslas registered in the UK compared to the same period in 2022. Combined with the fact that some superchargers are now open to all EV brands, the question of how well the supercharger network is coping with increased demand is worth returning to.
In this video we review the overall journey time, and I share my observations and comments about how the car has performed financially as well as sharing some notes about new and future supercharger developments.
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00:00 Introduction
01:25 Review of Tesla Running Costs
07:24 Cold vs Mild weather Battery Performance
08:48 Eurocentral Charger and the curse of the parking charge notice
14:20 M74 Future Superchargers
16:40 Annandale Water supercharger plans vs reality
18:40 Tebay Services Upgraded
22:09 Future Preston Supercharger
23:11 Trentham vs Keele Supercharger, Stoke on Trent
29:21 Spare supercharger capacity in Birmingham early afternoon
31:36 Journey Electricity Costs
32:41 New Superchargers in Surrey and West Sussex
33:38 Journeys end and concluding remarks 
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Love road trip videos. Yours is one of the best I have seen. Great work. Learnt a few tips too.
I've had my Tesla for a couple of months, my closest supercharger is 15 mins away but in a hotel carpark. It's only after watching this that I checked about the registering it when I'm parked up. Turns out I should have been doing just that. I've not had a parking fine yet but I bet ones coming!
The M4/M25 Superchargers at the Hilton hotel used to require registration to prevent non residents leaving their cars there all day to car share, now if you charge and are less than 2 hours there is no need to register your Tesla.
Pleased to hear you haven't been hit by massive EV insurance costs..
I'm not an EV owner and don't intend to be, but i like to see people making these EVs work for them...
Your feedback is both interesting and honest..
I will admit the depreciation caught me off guard somewhat. At the time I bought the car, Teslas we’re renowned for keeping really good residual values pre pandemic. I think it’s certainly fair to say that while energy costs have been fantastic with the Tesla, that is not the whole picture.
That said, the insurance quote for my old diesel Golf has doubled. So it doesn’t seem to be an EV specific phenomenon.
What I do find encouraging is that secondhand prices for electric vehicles such as the Renault Zoe are starting to become pretty affordable. And by all accounts even though they might be seven years old, they still have the original advertised range in terms of performance.
@@anthonydyer3939 The market for suburban smaller EVs is quite active especially with the increasing number of ULEZ zones.
Good video mate, I enjoy watching the road trips
This reflects my experience. Tesla has a lot of chargers in Europe, normal EVs can utilize them, BUT. They are mostly away from highways, you need to do a de-tour of 5-10 minutes through some city or in other direction to get there. So while the charging is fast there, you need to add 10 to 20 minutes of driving to and from the charger.
On the other hand, ionity (in continental Europe) has chargers always next to the highway, no detours, so you just stop on the highway, go for some sandwich/toilet and you continue. And the price is also quite lower comparing to Tesla.
Not that I complain - I don't own Tesla and once I was quite grateful for their charger when we made wrong turn and realized we are very short on remaining battery juice ;)
Thank you for your report. I’m not a Tesla driver yet but the supercharger network makes it a really tempting proposition.
If you decide it’s for you, you’re welcome to use my referral code 😉
I got our Model 3 RWD in March 2022 and plan to keep it for years to come still. Only work we've had done is the lift arm replaced due to water ingress. Love the car so far, I'd predict we would keep it for another 5 + years currently. The refinements with the highland model add promise to continuous iterative improvements to continue coming.
I think my car will be a keeper for 6 years at least. Highland looks promising, but 2mm less ground clearance is putting me in a tricky situation - ground clearance coming out of my drive is marginal already. Highland might just scrape the driveway.
What a brilliant video diary of a trip because its just as it is. Wasnt always that way I had my P85 in the very early days back in 2015 so two Supercharger stalls in the basement of the Tower Bridge Hotel London and 2 more outside the Hyatt Birmingham then some more at Edinburgh Airport and not a lot more but they were and still are free for my "classic" Tesla 138,000 miles and counting.
Quite a lot of the time it is about getting the electrical supply in place and probably still is, planning granted but waiting for the electrons.
Yes, getting supply in place is the tricky business. I read somewhere that both Tesla and Gridserve are doing connection works that used to be the exclusive responsibility of the DNO. If that’s true then hopefully that will speed up project times a lot.
Thanks for being a pioneer! Without people like you the EV landscape would be quite different.
Tesla has sold it's charging network. You do know that, don't you?@@anthonydyer3939
Great news about Gretna and the other new M74 charger location. I like Tebay being a bit more unique, but means i usually need a splash at Gretna to get home, which with only 4 chargers can be frustrating or Eurocentral being off route/heavy traffic, so those new chargers will be ideal for me personally. 👌 (and most people north of Glasgow in any direction)
I’ll be keen to see what more chargers we end up getting in Scotland. I’ve always thought Stirling would be a great candidate for a supercharger location
Insurance cost is relevant for the performance on offer, these are seriously quick cars.
They “can be” quick, but in a rational world whether they are “actually quick” or not can be determined from the drivers claims and motoring conviction history to determine overall risk.
That said, I don’t have insurance claim statistics. I’d be curious for example to see how the overall value and volume of claims differs according to theft vs collision, repair costs vs personal losses (injury, death and lost time) and how collision claims vary by impact speeds. It would be interesting to see a few graphs.
Currently, I suspect the bulk of quick EV's are sold to fleets whose drivers are largely in their 30's to 40's so beyond boy racer status.
What does amuse me, however, is that the ever present cry from the activists of "why do you need a car that does more than 70mph" has utterly disappeared since EV's showed up. @@anthonydyer3939
It's not a challenge.
I did Aberdeenshire to London and back the next day a couple of months ago.
Traffic was the issue, not charging.
I’d agree the journey isn’t a challenge for me. The bigger challenge however is changing peoples perception of electric cars. When you have other RUclipsrs running John O Groats to Lands End over the course of two days and coming out with adverse conclusions, I do feel like the balance of peoples perception needs to be restored somewhat!
@@anthonydyer3939 they somehow make a lot of money from feeding people's perceptions. Something somewhere is broken with the algorithm, possibly intentionally.
My record for Aberdeen to London is 7 and a half hours (mid 90s, fastish BMW - not an M). Can easily take almost double that these days though.
The difference is because of speed cameras and weight of traffic, not stopping to charge.
You're £48 cost one way not far off my £106 for supercharger costs down and back. (Adding that in case somebody disagrees with your costs)
@@anthonydyer3939 Anytime somebody points out an EV failing to go JoG-LE in two days I point at RSEV doing it in 15 and a half hours.
The problem was always between the steering wheel and the seat.
What perception is it, precisely, that you would like to change?
Their limited range? That's a physical fact.
That an autocratic government is forcing them on us with financial penalties for not choosing them? That's an economic and political fact.
That that their mineral utilisation for batteries is in some cases twice the known global reserves for the UK alone? A physical fact.
That EV's are dramatically more expensive than ICE cars? That's an obvious financial reality.
That it takes anything up to 90,000 miles before an EV reaches break even with an ICE car in terms of CO2 emissions? That's a matter of Volvo research.
That EV's torture components thanks to their weight, and burn out tyres/brakes and damage the road network for the same reason?
That to install EV chargers (in only 65% of the UK homes that have off road parking) will necessitate ripping up the nations roads to install upgraded cabling which will also have to supply the Heat Pumps for which we are also financially punished if we don't install them. Another physical and financial reality.
Perhaps it's that open vast cast mining for rare earth minerals will replace drilling a hole in the ground to access oil and gas?
These are not 'perceptions', these are realities.
I have provided you evidence, I can provide you a lot more which demonstrates how utterly destructive our governments pursuit of NetZero is.
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At this present time it would have cost me £63 with my current vehicle and with no stops , price of my vehicle was 10k for a 3 year old vehicle , while a tesla would be 30k more , at this time it doesn't make financial sense for me personally , as to solar panels and a battery system that does work out for me .
Good video .
Now calculate all the day to day journeys where you would be able to charge at home and pay less than 2p a mile and a 3 year old Tesla Model 3 which would be more like £22K.
@smc812 still would be 12k more , that's a lot of fuel which would give me at today's price , 117,760 miles , still not making economy sense for me at this time.
Right. So to accommodate the shonky charging network, people have to drag their kids, dogs and luggage out the house at 4:30am to begin a Tesla journey. I also note this is a solo journey, as usual with these mileage challenges. A nice light car with no roof box.
Great. I'll send my wife, kids, dogs and luggage ahead by train shall I?
Thankfully, when I stop for petrol I don't have to register my car. Why would anyone have to register their EV to park in a space dedicated to charging EV? Kudos for Anthony pointing this out.
Which brings us to another question. When we are all reliant on EV's and the entire stock of 32+million passenger cars in the UK are turned over to EV's, how much land will the dedicated charging network require to service all those EV's Vs how much land it takes to site petrol/diesel filling stations?
In the spirit of fairness, it should be pointed out that whilst electricity is delivered directly to those charging points, the roads are employed to deliver petrol and diesel fuel to filling stations. The EV charging network alleviates road congestion somewhat in that respect, but at what cost to land utilisation?
It's a bit worrying when Anthony tells us "I have a feeling I'll get there with more than 16% charge". Frankly, I don't want to rely on feelings when the alternative is being stranded on the motorway.
Now we come to the variable cost of charging. Anthony, to his great credit, points out the disparity. Tesla superchargers are around half the price of other networks. Too bad if you don't own a Tesla. It should also be pointed out that Tesla has sold its charging network and therefore supporting the cars it sells by ensuring charging as a loss leader is no longer within Tesla's control.
It's a tad dishonest of Anthony to claim a charging time at Stoke on Trent of 18 minutes for a 60% charge when he had to go 2 miles off the motorway to reach his charging point. Most motorway services (not all) are located on the motorway network and don't involve a journey of their own. Again, to be fair to Anthony mentions the ten minute journey back onto the motorway so, all in all that charge stop cost him some 40 minutes.
Anthony then goes on to celebrate one hour and ten minutes charging time on a journey from Aberdeen (I guess Huntly from his map) to Stoke on Trent'ish supercharger on the M6. Has he stopped twice, or three times at that point? I forget. A distance of 418 miles by that point.
My formerly regular journey (before my in laws passed away) was from Dartford to Gourock, on the West coast of Scotland in various fossil fuelled cars including a VW Polo (petrol), Citroen BX 2 Litre 16V (petrol), Nissan Almera (petrol), Citroen Grand Picasso (diesel), Ford Focus (petrol), Mercedes E220 Estate (diesel), and a Skoda Yeti (petrol) and several other company cars.
With the exception of the Polo, all were saddled with 2 kids, 2 dogs, my wife and I, and a roofbox and all did the journey of 455 miles (M1 route) with a splash and dash at Hamilton. The splash and dash only ever a precaution as, when fitted, my trip computer assured me I could have made the trip on one tank of fuel.
Yes we stopped for breaks. Kids and dogs necessitate that. And yes, we could probably have spent 20 minutes charging our EV, had we had one, but we didn't 'require' one. On one occasion I did the return journey alone in the Mercedes, over 900 miles, with two stops (one in Hamilton to fill up before picking something up in Gourock) and a splash and dash on the return journey. I didn't time myself on any occasion because I didn't expect to have to enter into a competition with EV owners. However, I know that if Anthony judges he had to stop for over an hour on his journey, I would have been at least that ahead of him on time had I stuck to the speed limits.
I also note that Anthony respects the speed limit. I don't. My usual motorway travelling speed is around 85-95mph where possible and safe. I have done the journey in all conditions including blazing sunshine, thunderstorms and freezing conditions.
In the final analysis Anthony concedes that when travelling with a full car things would have been different. All my experience has been with cars full, and loaded with passengers and luggage (roofbox). He also points out that winter tyres affect his range by about 10%.
My Mercedes lived on Nockian winter tyres the whole year round. They lasted 30,000 miles (try that with an EV perhaps 500Kg heavier) and I noticed no appreciable affect on fuel consumption (and a considerable reduction in road noise compared to the standard Michelins which lasted fewer than 30,000 miles) and performance in snow on both my Citroen Grand Picasso (front wheel drive) and the Mercedes (real wheel drive) is astonishing.
This might sound like I'm having a go at EV's. I'm not, I would have one in a heartbeat were they not so destructive to the environment, which is factually true if you do some decent research. Just one example
www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2020/05/KellyDecarb-1.pdf
With that in mind it's also worth reading the remarkably honest report Volvo produced in a back to back comparison between two versions of an identical car, one powered by fossil fuels, the other one an EV. Both from cradle to grave on the same production line. www.volvocars.com/images/v/-/media/applications/pdpspecificationpage/xc40-electric/specification/volvo-carbon-footprint-report.pdf
The fact is, EV's are a romantic idea which died at the dawn of the personal transport age when they were the very first motorised vehicles, rapidly superseded by internal combustion engines (ICE) because of their impracticality.
In those days people were never compelled by governments to drive ICE vehicles, they were a matter of personal choice. Now we have governments instructing us on what we can and can't drive. That's the issue, not EV's themselves.
You are welcome to drive an EV if it suits you as far as I'm concerned, but please don't encourage our government to stop me driving my ICE vehicle or, you can be guaranteed, they will come after your EV next.
Good video Anthony, thanks for that.
Obviously not 4U then 😮
4:30am departure is good advice regardless of requirement to recharge. The road network is shonky already, and I don’t like sitting in 6pm M25 traffic. On drives to Denmark in the 90’s, we left the house at 3am to be in France by 6am, and Copenhagen by 6pm. A family of 5 in the car and no one complained about the early start.
Tesla Model 3 LR has an authorised payload capacity of 375kg. It’s not much, so I’ll admit you have a point about taking the train. But with other passengers in the car, I’ve not noticed an adverse drop in range. Roof box will hurt however.
As for future charging requirements: I reckon about 50% of all existing parking spaces in service stations will need to be converted to high speed EV charging stations. That’s what it takes to accommodate a 100% electric vehicle fleet that need to recharge quickly on long distance drives. That change however doesn’t need to happen suddenly. It will happen over the next 15 years, and it will grow naturally with increasing demand.
As for 16% predicted range. The the difference between 16% range and a flat battery is about 70 miles. I’ve driven down to 3% once before, and I’m told there’s quite a few miles in the battery once you get to 0%. Predicted range at destination is always updated so if I see it drop down while driving then I can appraise my options and use an earlier charger if needed (I’ve done this northbound in winter, stopping at Keele because Charnock Richard predicted range fell from 6% charge to -2% charge). I’m always happy embarking on a long journey when the predicted range at next charger is more than 12%.
As for 70mph. I’m a good boy in this country, especially on RUclips. But driving from Esbjerg to Hamburg, soon after the German border, I’m all 🔥😈🏎🏎🏎🏎🏎🏁. I’ll admit that 70mph is too low a general speed limit on uk motorways.
Thanks for your honest reply (and honest video) rare for EV enthusiasts. My personal preference is to leave home directly after the main traffic has subsided, so when the kids were young, leave Dartford at 8pm - 9pm and travel through the night. Horses for courses of course as I'm not an early morning person. We would get to Gourock in the wee small hours but with the kids well rested in the car and a few hours sleep for my wife and I the next day we were good to go.
As for converting the charging network to 100% high speed, you need to consider the maths and realities of this. If we are to assume Heat Pumps will replace gas boilers over the next 15 years, and EV charging stations are installed over the same period, and the nation also moves from coal/gas/nuclear to wind and solar power, something will, without a doubt, break very badly.
We also have to consider that EV's, Heat Pumps, wind and solar etc. are being forced on people in the UK. Our ability to choose what's best for us personally is being stripped away. Will it do anything for the climate or the environment? Yes it will, it will make matters considerably worse as wind turbines and solar panels require enormous resources and fossil fuels to make them. It is physically impossible to have a wind turbine produce enough energy to replicate itself, if it were we would have mastered perpetual motion and we are a long way from that.
As I mentioned, EV's were the first motorised vehicles in the world and were popular until the ICE arrived. Perhaps it was more convenient, perhaps more efficient, I don't know, but I suspect it was encouraged (tolerated?) because it alleviated demand on electricity production. In other words energy utilisation (not just electricity) was derived from a broad footprint of energy sources. Our government is now attempting to put all our eggs in a very porous basket.
If by 2050 we have eradicated all fossil fuels in the UK (utterly impossible, so what does NetZero actually mean) and are reliant on a single source of energy (wind, solar, hydro [which the greens hate] and what little nuclear we have) and there is an unexpected event like a prolonged, still winter, which has happened before, we risk grid collapse and within a couple of weeks tens of thousands of people would be dead.
How are EV's progressing in terms of range and convenience? A British battery company just went bust claiming they had developed technology that could fully charge a car in 6 minutes. Now, I would buy that EV (cost dependent) so too, I suspect would Elon Musk. But he didn't step in to save a company he could have bought with pocket change that would have sent Tesla mainstream.
And this is what we are all being sold, the sunny upland of tomorrow, which will never arrive.
A little asides. I think 70mph on a motorway is too fast for many people. I'm an ex police trained driver, RoSPA trained car and motorcyclist and a former DSA approved driving instructor. Most people on the roads shouldn't be allowed to drive anything more powerful than a 500cc Fiat in my opinion.That could be improved by mandatory secondary driver training but like everything else governments could do to improve life and liberty in the UK, they just don't bother.@@anthonydyer3939
Did I not say "I would have one in a heartbeat"?
Perhaps if you read my comments properly and even went as far as reading the research I posted, you might understand why EV's are not a solution to anything.😯
Tesla has NOT sold it's supercharger network.
We buy any car are not paying fair prices. You would get much more with Motorway.
When I sold my Volkswagen Golf, Motorway did give me the highest initial price appraisal of £7500 but once they started deducting all the little defects and damages from that Volkswagen golf I ended up with an offer which was closer to £5800.
As it happened webuyanycar bought the car for £6300. I had one private offer (sight unseen) which fell through at £6700. So Motorway isn’t necessarily the best final offer.
I hate to tell you but all these businesses are the same. They rely on buying cars at way below wholesale value so they can pass them through the markets, onto the trade and make a few hundred quid on each of them. The markets and the retailers also have to make their profit.
The £5,800 you were offered would be on a forecourt at £7,500.@@anthonydyer3939
Consensus seems to be that Gridserve. InstaVolt etc are charging as much as they can at the moment until more Tesla superchargers open up to all as apparently all new V4’s will be open to all….Hope that’s right….?
V4’s “can” be open to all. They have the equipment for contactless payments. Certainly Trentham is open to all EV’s, and I guess if Tesla is to win future planning permission and government support then having a charger open to all is a good strategy to win more support. But I’m guessing that V4’s don’t necessarily have to be open to all.
As for Gridserve etc…. The speculation sounds plausible, but I think interest rates and capital costs play their part. Nonetheless if their demand isn’t saturated then they are shooting themselves in the foot. The ratio between wholesale and (ex VAT) retail prices is 600%. That’s a lot of pricing power. Unused charging time costs revenue.
The only good thing to say is that the infrastructure has gone in, and it is effectively permanent (even if the charging company goes under, the equipment and rights can be bought by someone else).
Whilst there may be a consensus perception that there are growing electricity wars amongst charging providers, none of it is being taxed as petrol and diesel are.
Every time you charge your electric car you can add around 60%+ to that, which is the duty on petrol/diesel, and as they are eliminated the cost of EV ownership will sky rocket.
Enjoy your cheap electricity while you can, but you condemn yourselves to an uncompetitive electricity environment when only one fuel is available and, judging by history, our governments will never intervene to make EV travel cheaper, nor should they.
@@RedHotscot There's 20% VAT on public charging already, and the higher purchase price means more VAT from new cars, I'm not so sure your suggestion is correct that the government is making less tax in total from EVs.
How many fuels do petrol cars use? Isn't it just petrol where the price is controlled by foreign countries?
Petrol/diesel has roughly 60% tax levied on it, to which VAT is added when you purchase it. In other words, taxation is taxed.
How about you bump up the electricity used to charge your car by 60% and then add VAT?
The VAT on the higher price of an EV is a consequence of the purchase price in the first place and goes to the treasury, it is not road travel specific. All new cars have a VAT component, as do watches or building materials. It is your choice whether to buy a more expensive car, it is not a choice to pay taxes on petrol or diesel to fuel your car.
Nor is there 20% VAT on home charging, yet.
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