Perhaps do a video on the thought police? You know, the one's who call on you after someone complains about what you said on a social media site. It would be interesting what their powers are, how the 'Crime' which isn't a crime, doesn't carry a power of arrest but the Police college (which would be another good video) allow it to be recorded and used against you illegally? Thank you.
Totally agree, misuse of such wide ranging powers MUST be punishable in law , as what you get is the corruption that HAS been proven time and time again , especially in the MET .
I’m very keen to hear some your experiences as a Special Constable I.e. best arrest, most challenging moment, how it shapes your work as a barrister. Sounds like the perfect role with your martial arts background and expertise in law.
Phil Bo I watch with interest a TV program some years ago featuring Police Specials. As it finished the presenter quietly told us that most of them were in reserved occupations and shouldn't have been allowed to join. There again the son's girlfriend is a special and can't get a shift for love or money, so the uniform just hangs around gathering dust.
@@vanpallandt5799 Good question. Specials are expected to work a certain number of hours as part of their role. Having said that, I do know a Special who was taken off duty until her warrant card was removed due to her making threats to people on Facebook. Maybe someone has been a naughty sausage...
Here in Liverpool we used to have a whole bunch of distinct police forces - Parks Police up to the 1970s, Markets Police up to about the late 1990s / early 2000s, and we still have Mersey Tunnels Police. A local urban myth says they're not actually real police officers as they have to call in Merseyside Police if they arrest someone, but in fact that's only because they have no holding cells. Their jurisdiction is limited however to a certain distance from the tunnel entrances. I believe we also still have a Port of Liverpool Police. They're all sworn and attested to a JP, so as far as I'm aware they're the real deal. Add to that BTP, MoD Police, Nuclear Fuels Police, and there's quite a selection of forces out there with police powers.
Not necessarily correct. The Mersey Tunnels Police, like the Ports Police have the ability to make a arrest. Upon arrest they don’t necessarily contact Merseyside Police to take over, they transfer there detainee to a Merseyside Police Custody suite where there detention is authorised by a Merseyside Police Custody Sgt. There on the original force be it Tunnels or Ports retain authority for the investigation if it’s in there jurisdiction and will carry it out whilst the suspect remains detained under Merseyside Police. In addition to the previous mentioned forces in Liverpool we also have the Cathedral Constabulary, a seemingly little known force out of the Anglian Cathedral who also hold the office of Constable.
@@moj6241 I'd forgotten about the Cathedral Constables, which is odd because I'm actually acquainted with one of them, although I mostly knew him through his previous job. I'm not certain but I think both the Tunnels and the Port Police have a senior Chief Officer, I'd assume the equivalent of a Chief Inspector maybe?
Probably similar to Port of Felixstowe police that I was once involved with. A "proper" police force within the bounds of the port, and for 2 miles beyond it's borders, but making use of county facilities a lot of the time where they have no detentions space, need of specialist equipment/people and all those other big budget, manpower sapping things. There are many such Port Police forces, plus others with geographic or other limitations, Transport police (railways and London Underground), Nuclear Constabulary, MOD Police (distinct from military police)
I was always under the impression that Parks Police were employed by the local authority (they are in London) so they are not a Home Office Police force and they do have limited powers.
Not so long ago in London, police personnel were either policemen/ women or police officers. A police officer held the rank of Inspector or above. Nowadays they all think the sun goes in when they pull up their pants and that being called Officer gives them some kind of status. Don’t they just love it ?
Also, under the Prison Act 1952, s. 8, Every prison officer while acting as such shall have all the powers, authority, protection and privileges of a constable.
@@ef7480 No. Only "while acting as such". So - escorting a prisoner outside the prison (to hospital, perhaps) or manning a road-block (it happens) or taking part in a search. If those are legitimate Prison Officer activities, then s. 8 of the Prison Act applies.
Used to see them when growing up now haven't seen one unless they're on tv. Cannot remember last time a pc patrolled around my home because it was so long ago.
On a regular basis I see support officers follow people into a shopping centre, then stop them and question them about something. Wht do these officers not stop the people outside of the centre? The centre is a private building but the street outside is a public place. Maybe it's because it is warmer inside of the centre?
In local government a number of employees have police powers, most commonly traffic wardens have the power to issue PCNs and the auditors can conduct interviews under caution.
Also worth noting that a police constable/officer has the same 'power' as a member of the public if the'member of the public' has not committed a crime or offence and specific suspicion cannot be verified. Police abuse of powers could be a criminal offence if contrary to Section 26 Criminal Courts & justice Act 2015. Not acting within the execution of their duty etc.
Hello Mr BBB, these officers carry a warrant card but I've never seen a warrant card, so how would I know if it's genuine? In fact, how would Sarah Everard have known that when she was 'arrested' by the rapist and killer PC Wayne Couzens? Just an interesting detail now: Wayne Couzens could join the Metropolitan Police as a firearms officer because he had done his training already with the Civil Nuclear Constabulary at Dungeness and at Sellafield in Cumbria. I live in Cumbria - this was reported in the local press.
As you are on RUclips, you will have used this thing called the internet. If you search for a given police force and warrant card, you will see what one looks like.
Not all police swore an oath and therefore do not have a warrant card, and therefore have no powers of arrest. Alway ask to see their warrant card, if they don't and still arrest you, then you would be in a good position to have the case thrown out.
It is important to note that PCSOs with the British Transport Police have the power of arrest. Any other Home Office (Local) Police Force could do the same with the power being designated by the Chief Constable. Currently only British Transport Police PCSOs have the power of arrest designated to them.
@@davidspear9790 I wouldn't think so, PCSOs in Home Office Police Forces typically have a community role where they are supporting Neighbourhood Teams. They don't really need the power of arrest. BTP PCSOs only have the jurisdiction of trains, they play a more direct role in Policing
The Office of a Police Constable is the correct title for a Police Man / Woman . They never signed their Oath as a Police Officer nor does it say they are Police Officers on their Warrant Cards . That is what we have Police Constables and a Chief Constable . NOT Police Officers and Chief Officer ??? All Police Forces are now None Incorparated Compaines clearly listed on Dunn and Bradstreet. The police Officer is the title dirived from being an Officer working for the Police Company , basically allowing them to be Revenue Collectors . I am all for Good Policing and personally want more well trainedd Police Constables out on streets serving and protecting the Public ( which is their true job role ) Not what we have now which is words of badly trained Clowns in Uniforms with massive Egos .
@@PINACI A police officer can arrest you on "suspicion of". To effect a citizens arrest, you have to witness the indictable offence. Also, woe betide the offence is not indictable because you may be on a charge of false imprisonment. The fact that the wording of S24 and S24a is different tells you everything you need to know. The powers are not the same, otherwise there would not be a separate clause,
@@steve3291 When did I say the powers are the same with sec 24 and 24a ? You're creating something that I never said. Talking of what I did actually say, My original comment stands and is correct.
No no, you have that wrong. A police Constable or officer is someone who was a cvnt at school and realised that in order to continue with cvntism it was not possible as an ordinary member opf th public and was only possible when clothed in an intimidating outfit and membership of an unaccountable gang., there, fixed it for you.
Quite ironic really for me. I actually informed a CID officer in 2019 (falsely arrested and in custody) that the term Police Constable applies to all ranks. He was unaware. The are Corrupt end of.
Back in the 70's we had a Town Constable who had no real police powers but spent most of his time chasing us spotty herberts for making mischief (of which we made sure there was plenty). I'm not sure how this fits in as i think he was employed by the local town council rather than the police. Kind of a precursor to the pcso maybe.
is he acting on behalf of the Bar or on behalf of the client? One might suggest that as he is entered into an employment contract with the client, then his primary responsibility is his clients interests as far as the execution of his duty is concerned. The role of the Bar is merely provision of quality talent on the Bench and in front of the Bench. Lay Advocates are an entirely different kettle of fish, as are those who self-represent.
I thought BTP PCSOs had slightly greater powers than "normal" ones, but admit to being behind the times. Lets not forget the "odd" forces, civil nuclear constabluary, MOD police, ports police that have all the regular powers, but limited geographic areas that "normal" police can ignore.
Let's say a PC has a situation with some yobs, but he's outnumbered. Can he "deputize" bystanders? What happens if they refuse? I ask because there's a blurry line between "hindering" and "not helping". Another related question I have is, at what point does Joe Bloggs know that someone is actually a constable (of any stripe)? I ask because, in most states in the US, simply stating, "I am an officer" is enough and failure to render aid upon request is an offense.
yes its an offence not to help if requested by the police in the UK in a situation like that, using common sense such as not asking some little old lady to take the yobs
@@BlackBeltBarrister Always great when the cliche of 'I pay your wages' is said to a special. I know some specials take the time to correct them, others just let it slide.
@@MultiMidden I was trying to point out that my local PC seems more interested in magnifying his rank than getting involved in the local community,and it is not just me that he insists on calling him officer,it is the whole estate! Not the best way to become a local bobby is it? Would you be a copper or ex-copper perchance? That is the only reason I can think of for such a response from you.
Would it have been worth explaining the concept of original authority held by Constables as opposed to delegated authority. A concept even lost on Senior Police officers.
@@AlpineGABE I'm pretty sure those under CSAS are not police staff, and are employed privately by accredited companies so I guess that answers my question. I've looked into it a little since my initial question and it appears all complaints are handled by the acredited persons (AP) employer.
@@Stuart_George The ‘Police Reform Act’ covers accreditation of powers to PCSOs / Police Staff Speed Camera Operatives etc etc. Private traffic/ASB functions using powers are via CSAS - which comes about via the same Police Reform Act. :)
@@AlpineGABE Yeah, I'm aware where the powers come from. It's the accountability part I'm interested in. It appears that although the Chief Constable can designate powwrs to approved employers and their employees, neither they or the IOPC takes responsibility to investigate if those designated powers are abused. I acknowledge that the powers are very limited, and I don't think there is widespread abuse of the powers, I just found it odd that the CSAS complaints system is independent of the police or IOPC.
No, but if you disregard a traffic direction that they give when guiding a military convoy, that can be taken into account in determining civil liability only. But if you are on designated Military Lands, then they do have powers, e.g. in Aldershot.
But does calling them an officer give them extra authority for the duration of that interaction as now you have acknowledged them as an officer of the law which they are not unless given authority by the individual, or is that another misunderstood thing?
@@paulcollyer801 that's not what I asked though. Yes, they always have powers for their position but if you call them an officer rather than constable it's "known" that they then have extra authority and extra powers above their position. For clarity, I put known in speach marks cause that is the question, is it true or just one of those tales. Accordingly there has been multiple instances in case law where courts have upheld the decision of the police even though they were working outside of their authority because they were referred to as officers and that made them officers of the law and of the court for the duration of the incident
@@paulcollyer801 so you're also a law professional and have studied the cases surrounding this question? Just curious, after all there's no point listening to personal opinions and I know nothing about you. I would like to have an answer that also is proven by a court or proof that the cases I heard about didn't actually happen. None of that can actually happen without a few days of research unless you are already familiar and have been studying this specific subject
@@chriscjjones8182 No. As Paul said, you don't have to "give" them authority at all. They already have it. Otherwise there would be a *massive* loophole in the law and people would simply walk away from being arrested all the time. The clip we are commenting on discusses and confirms the powers that officers have. If you're going to suggest otherwise, you're going to have to back up that suggestion.
BBB: I'd be most interested in what you have to say about CCTV/video evidence being ignored by the police. Recently I uploaded a diary of events plus video at the request of a 101 call handler and got an acknowledgement email from a human saying it would be added to the log. However the investigating officer admitted they hadn't seen them so had come to completely the wrong conclusion about what I was reporting and blamed me for it. When challenged they claimed not to be able to see diary or video on the system and that the size of the video file would have meant my email would have been rejected. But I had acknowledgement of its receipt...
something like that, particularly given its importance as evidence, would surely have been better burned to an optical disc and handed over personally?
@@BlokeOnAMotorbike I did what I was asked to do. Later when I kicked up a fuss I was asked to upload it to the police evidential server. Max file size there IIRC was 50GB.
Regarding insurance/bond, will each officer/constable have their own liability insurance? Asking because you said they are 'members' and therefore wondered if they were effectively self-employed
@@steve3291 Nor are they employed. They're 'office holders'. So that means they don't have quote the same employment rights as an employee would. They're not even 'workers' as far as employment law is concerned. Apologies if you already knew this.
You're a bit behind the curve here, Dave, the modern police officer is a social worker. Hurty words are more dangerous than assault and theft, you know.
Before becoming a Parking Officer I was employed as a Biosecurity Officer and the powers that were listed on my warrant were extensive and, to me, surprising. I was able to access any propert (except Maori land) including forcibly entering a property if I observed a pest organism or had reason to believe a pest organisms was inside. I was also able to demand a vehicle to stop and to requisition any vehicle for the purpose of containing a pest organism or observing/following a pest organism, to mention a few.
If their job is to protect the public, why do the respond straight away for business, yet when the public phone to report a burglary, it takes hours to send an officer around. Does this prove that they put businesses first before the public, as this is what the public seem to perceive.
Ok so my first 11 suggestions didn't get through but I'm sure they were all right, so I'll just have to point out the first 4 letters, obviously changing one of them to a u
Try me in your court black belt barrister, under the laws that are common to we the the people, see how far you get lets make it public for all to see, if you really have power above the rest of us? i await? will not get a response? but i await!
they are the original peelers. "special's" where more like bounty hunters that was disbanded when the issue they was dealing with was taken care of. they are very different than what we know today. the post of special constable or temporary constable is still used even today to recruit volunteers to serve the public . :)
A Special Constable is still a warranted Constable with all the same abilities and powers as a regular Constable except that they work on a part time basis. Whilst PCSO’s are uniformed members of Police Staff who has designated powers but are not warranted.
A Police Constable is the constitutional common law title under which they are tasked by the taxpayer (the people) to keep the peace, they hold this office under an oath. It is known as Tort Law, Harm, loss, fraud, an injured party, valid lawful claim. This part falls under contract Law, The corporate realm is dependant on the legal term; tacit agreement, in so much as, the people do not refute the situation in legal format. A Police Officer is a corporate private security enforcer, and by definition of the oath itself, to act in this manner, they are acting outside their oath and mandate by enforcing statute rules which are not law. "NO" injured party, "No" valid lawful claim, as under the international council of foreign relations it quoted as saying, all crimes are commercial CFR 27 SECTION 72.11
black belt barrister, i say we will see, false information is a crime upon we the people it is a common law crime it is in fact, i quite, Common Law Crimes committed on we the people, Misconduct in public office Misconduct in public office is an offence at common law triable only on indictment. It carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. It is an offence confined to those who are public office holders and is committed when the office holder acts (or fails to act) in a way that constitutes a breach of the duties of that office. carryon and i bet i will take you yo court, 4 this, never mind saying, right!
I was once flagged down by a police officer in the road. Immediately the ministry opened and dipped my tank for red deisel. When he told me what they were doing I reminded the police officer that he was in charge at that site and that they had not asked my permission to do that from me and had therefore taken away my right to refuse and obviously face the consequences. I also informed him that the Pcso who was also on the radio doing a vehicle check for legality of my vehicle was also outstepping her powers and that he was also responsible for both breaches of the laws and if he had a less tolerant motorist who knew the rules he could be having to answer to a court for his actions his face was a picture as he realised the errors.🙄
If a police officer stopped me and did that I'd help them do whatever checks they wanted because I'm not using red diesel. For some reason two latin words spring to mind mens rea...
Did he care? Probably not. The damage had already been done by the time you complained and couldn't be undone until you contested it in court, even then, it would probably too late.
Wont to be put to shame live on your channel, lets have a live common law vers corrupt law, lets see who wins, if you win i will do as you desire, if i win i will wont god to judge you, is that fair?
you ate making false reputmetations, you are claiming to be something you are not, if this channel is not shut down, court proceedings will competence without further reference to your self, breach of contract laws apply, therefore, if this site continues to pout garfish , the publisher will be held accountable for the actions, in the misinformation, put forward, and will be held to a count in a court for the information put out as false and misleading, in all video content. 1st final warning made public 4 all to see
Rule No1 - NEVER trust the Police
Rule No2 - DON'T forget Rule No1
NEVER answer their questions.
Perhaps do a video on the thought police? You know, the one's who call on you after someone complains about what you said on a social media site. It would be interesting what their powers are, how the 'Crime' which isn't a crime, doesn't carry a power of arrest but the Police college (which would be another good video) allow it to be recorded and used against you illegally? Thank you.
Grow up?
2:44 This is a problem. Abuse of Power, no matter what kind of authority position commits it, needs to be a punishable criminal offense.
Totally agree, misuse of such wide ranging powers MUST be punishable in law , as what you get is the corruption that HAS been proven time and time again , especially in the MET .
We have said that for 2 years. Even the boss is the chief constable. Regards from the Cheltenham 6
Constable: common law keeper of the peace. Officer: corporate revenue collector.
I’m very keen to hear some your experiences as a Special Constable I.e. best arrest, most challenging moment, how it shapes your work as a barrister. Sounds like the perfect role with your martial arts background and expertise in law.
Phil Bo
I watch with interest a TV program some years ago featuring Police Specials. As it finished the presenter quietly told us that most of them were in reserved occupations and shouldn't have been allowed to join.
There again the son's girlfriend is a special and can't get a shift for love or money, so the uniform just hangs around gathering dust.
@@wjf0ne how cant she get on duty?
@@vanpallandt5799 Good question. Specials are expected to work a certain number of hours as part of their role.
Having said that, I do know a Special who was taken off duty until her warrant card was removed due to her making threats to people on Facebook.
Maybe someone has been a naughty sausage...
Here in Liverpool we used to have a whole bunch of distinct police forces - Parks Police up to the 1970s, Markets Police up to about the late 1990s / early 2000s, and we still have Mersey Tunnels Police.
A local urban myth says they're not actually real police officers as they have to call in Merseyside Police if they arrest someone, but in fact that's only because they have no holding cells. Their jurisdiction is limited however to a certain distance from the tunnel entrances.
I believe we also still have a Port of Liverpool Police. They're all sworn and attested to a JP, so as far as I'm aware they're the real deal. Add to that BTP, MoD Police, Nuclear Fuels Police, and there's quite a selection of forces out there with police powers.
Not necessarily correct. The Mersey Tunnels Police, like the Ports Police have the ability to make a arrest. Upon arrest they don’t necessarily contact Merseyside Police to take over, they transfer there detainee to a Merseyside Police Custody suite where there detention is authorised by a Merseyside Police Custody Sgt. There on the original force be it Tunnels or Ports retain authority for the investigation if it’s in there jurisdiction and will carry it out whilst the suspect remains detained under Merseyside Police. In addition to the previous mentioned forces in Liverpool we also have the Cathedral Constabulary, a seemingly little known force out of the Anglian Cathedral who also hold the office of Constable.
@@moj6241 I'd forgotten about the Cathedral Constables, which is odd because I'm actually acquainted with one of them, although I mostly knew him through his previous job.
I'm not certain but I think both the Tunnels and the Port Police have a senior Chief Officer, I'd assume the equivalent of a Chief Inspector maybe?
Probably similar to Port of Felixstowe police that I was once involved with. A "proper" police force within the bounds of the port, and for 2 miles beyond it's borders, but making use of county facilities a lot of the time where they have no detentions space, need of specialist equipment/people and all those other big budget, manpower sapping things. There are many such Port Police forces, plus others with geographic or other limitations, Transport police (railways and London Underground), Nuclear Constabulary, MOD Police (distinct from military police)
Did not no about the Anglican Cathedral Constabulary thanks for information.
I was always under the impression that Parks Police were employed by the local authority (they are in London) so they are not a Home Office Police force and they do have limited powers.
Not so long ago in London, police personnel were either policemen/ women or police officers. A police officer held the rank of Inspector or above. Nowadays they all think the sun goes in when they pull up their pants and that being called Officer gives them some kind of status. Don’t they just love it ?
A very interesting topic, thanks for another excellent presentation.
Also, under the Prison Act 1952, s. 8, Every prison officer while acting as such shall have all the powers, authority, protection and privileges of a constable.
On shift I would say, also they would be under the same Laws the police constable are under.
@@WorksopGimp Yes, exactly. "While acting as such" is the important bit.
Only within the prison .
@@ef7480 No. Only "while acting as such".
So - escorting a prisoner outside the prison (to hospital, perhaps) or manning a road-block (it happens) or taking part in a search. If those are legitimate Prison Officer activities, then s. 8 of the Prison Act applies.
Used to see them when growing up now haven't seen one unless they're on tv. Cannot remember last time a pc patrolled around my home because it was so long ago.
Oh boy, this is going to bring out the woo-mongers...
On a regular basis I see support officers follow people into a shopping centre, then stop them and question them about something. Wht do these officers not stop the people outside of the centre? The centre is a private building but the street outside is a public place. Maybe it's because it is warmer inside of the centre?
In local government a number of employees have police powers, most commonly traffic wardens have the power to issue PCNs and the auditors can conduct interviews under caution.
it's "police service" now, the word "force" might have negative connotations according to the professional standards committee.
Well explained also with CSAS !!!
There are many answers to that question!
This is a full video on it ruclips.net/video/WlVN2tUatZA/видео.html
I have been a Special and a PCSO.
Also worth noting that a police constable/officer has the same 'power' as a member of the public if the'member of the public' has not committed a crime or offence and specific suspicion cannot be verified. Police abuse of powers could be a criminal offence if contrary to Section 26 Criminal Courts & justice Act 2015. Not acting within the execution of their duty etc.
Hello Mr BBB, these officers carry a warrant card but I've never seen a warrant card, so how would I know if it's genuine? In fact, how would Sarah Everard have known that when she was 'arrested' by the rapist and killer PC Wayne Couzens? Just an interesting detail now: Wayne Couzens could join the Metropolitan Police as a firearms officer because he had done his training already with the Civil Nuclear Constabulary at Dungeness and at Sellafield in Cumbria. I live in Cumbria - this was reported in the local press.
As you are on RUclips, you will have used this thing called the internet. If you search for a given police force and warrant card, you will see what one looks like.
Police have a duty to detect and prevent crime, you say? Not round these parts, it seems
Not all police swore an oath and therefore do not have a warrant card, and therefore have no powers of arrest. Alway ask to see their warrant card, if they don't and still arrest you, then you would be in a good position to have the case thrown out.
Good luck with that 😂
Nonsense. A Police officer in uniform does not need to show a warrant card.
Absolutely Delusional do you ever stop and think of the drivel you lot spurt out
Wrong, check the home office and educate yourself my ignorant friend.
I'd love to know more about CSAS.
The police are the public and the people are the police
It is important to note that PCSOs with the British Transport Police have the power of arrest. Any other Home Office (Local) Police Force could do the same with the power being designated by the Chief Constable. Currently only British Transport Police PCSOs have the power of arrest designated to them.
Won't be long before the rest of the police force follow suit then............
@@davidspear9790 I wouldn't think so, PCSOs in Home Office Police Forces typically have a community role where they are supporting Neighbourhood Teams. They don't really need the power of arrest. BTP PCSOs only have the jurisdiction of trains, they play a more direct role in Policing
So in short the police have TOO MANY powers , and given the clear misuse of those powers , many of these should be removed .
You were right the first time Police services Not Police force.
everybody has the power to arrest if they see an indictable offence take place. PACE S24a
So, what is an indictable offence then? Because, most people do not know.
@@steve3291 something which any person of sound mind would consider to be wrongful, such as a street robbery, shoplifting, assault, etc.
Why did you not simply give the definition of a constable
So many answers to that question 🤣
The Office of a Police Constable is the correct title for a Police Man / Woman . They never signed their Oath as a Police Officer nor does it say they are Police Officers on their Warrant Cards . That is what we have Police Constables and a Chief Constable . NOT Police Officers and Chief Officer ??? All Police Forces are now None Incorparated Compaines clearly listed on Dunn and Bradstreet. The police Officer is the title dirived from being an Officer working for the Police Company , basically allowing them to be Revenue Collectors . I am all for Good Policing and personally want more well trainedd Police Constables out on streets serving and protecting the Public ( which is their true job role ) Not what we have now which is words of badly trained Clowns in Uniforms with massive Egos .
Everybody has the power of arrest, including PCSOs who have the same powers under section 24a of PACE.
That's simply not true. S24 sets out the powers of a constable which are quite different to that set out in S24a.
@@steve3291 Anyone can make an arrest for an indictable offence.
@@PINACI A police officer can arrest you on "suspicion of". To effect a citizens arrest, you have to witness the indictable offence. Also, woe betide the offence is not indictable because you may be on a charge of false imprisonment. The fact that the wording of S24 and S24a is different tells you everything you need to know. The powers are not the same, otherwise there would not be a separate clause,
@@steve3291 When did I say the powers are the same with sec 24 and 24a ? You're creating something that I never said. Talking of what I did actually say, My original comment stands and is correct.
@@PINACI I do apologise, I read your statement incorrectly that people have the same powers as a police constable, which they do not.
Can you make a citizens arrest of a police officer if you see him commit a crime.
@Jesus Jones Of course some people are above the law dont be naive.
No no, you have that wrong. A police Constable or officer is someone who was a cvnt at school and realised that in order to continue with cvntism it was not possible as an ordinary member opf th public and was only possible when clothed in an intimidating outfit and membership of an unaccountable gang., there, fixed it for you.
At a police station I saw constables and officers as per their name badges.
So whats the difference?
They're all constables.
sounds like a case of moving the goal posts common law /legislation which are basically a set of rules/guidelines for society
Quite ironic really for me. I actually informed a CID officer in 2019 (falsely arrested and in custody) that the term Police Constable applies to all ranks. He was unaware. The are Corrupt end of.
Thank you
Back in the 70's we had a Town Constable who had no real police powers but spent most of his time chasing us spotty herberts for making mischief (of which we made sure there was plenty). I'm not sure how this fits in as i think he was employed by the local town council rather than the police. Kind of a precursor to the pcso maybe.
There is no difference. Constable=NOBHEAD.....Officer=NOBHEAD
Can you do video on powers of an HSE officer?!
to whom does a lawyers responsibility lie with the client or the bar? and what do you become in court when you have a lawyer?
is he acting on behalf of the Bar or on behalf of the client?
One might suggest that as he is entered into an employment contract with the client, then his primary responsibility is his clients interests as far as the execution of his duty is concerned. The role of the Bar is merely provision of quality talent on the Bench and in front of the Bench.
Lay Advocates are an entirely different kettle of fish, as are those who self-represent.
Don't civilian police staff operate mobile camera vans?
What is a police officer?
You can easily spot them by the huge delicate ego.
No police power is more abused than section 43.
I thought BTP PCSOs had slightly greater powers than "normal" ones, but admit to being behind the times. Lets not forget the "odd" forces, civil nuclear constabluary, MOD police, ports police that have all the regular powers, but limited geographic areas that "normal" police can ignore.
how about what is a common law sheriff
A PC is not an officer, this only applies to higher ranks.
what binds a flesh and blood man to words made by someone else? who claims ownership of the country but really just stole it.
We police by consent who gives that consent?
How about Military Police?
Any insights on council tax promissory notes?
Let's say a PC has a situation with some yobs, but he's outnumbered. Can he "deputize" bystanders? What happens if they refuse?
I ask because there's a blurry line between "hindering" and "not helping".
Another related question I have is, at what point does Joe Bloggs know that someone is actually a constable (of any stripe)?
I ask because, in most states in the US, simply stating, "I am an officer" is enough and failure to render aid upon request is an offense.
yes its an offence not to help if requested by the police in the UK in a situation like that, using common sense such as not asking some little old lady to take the yobs
@@WorksopGimp Personally I wouldnt waste my piss on a cop if I saw him on fire.
haven't seen a police officer where i live for years
Nice shout to the Specials, I was one.
Me too, long ago!
@@BlackBeltBarrister you don’t look old enough for anything to be long ago.
@@jamieeames8934 Flattered but it was around 20 years ago!
@@BlackBeltBarrister Always great when the cliche of 'I pay your wages' is said to a special. I know some specials take the time to correct them, others just let it slide.
@@Stuart_George and ironically, people that would usually say it did not seem to be paying taxes in any event!
Why does my local police officer (PC) tell me to call him officer and not PC,when it clearly states PC (and his number) on his uniform?
Why are you crying about it?
@@MultiMidden I was trying to point out that my local PC seems more interested in magnifying his rank than getting involved in the local community,and it is not just me that he insists on calling him officer,it is the whole estate! Not the best way to become a local bobby is it?
Would you be a copper or ex-copper perchance? That is the only reason I can think of for such a response from you.
Would it have been worth explaining the concept of original authority held by Constables as opposed to delegated authority. A concept even lost on Senior Police officers.
What's the difference between man woman and person???
A 'person' is a legal construct ....
With regard to those given powers under the CSAS, do they fall under the remit of the IOPC?
Yes if they’re a member of police staff, not those who are privately employed :)
@@AlpineGABE I'm pretty sure those under CSAS are not police staff, and are employed privately by accredited companies so I guess that answers my question. I've looked into it a little since my initial question and it appears all complaints are handled by the acredited persons (AP) employer.
@@Stuart_George The ‘Police Reform Act’ covers accreditation of powers to PCSOs / Police Staff Speed Camera Operatives etc etc. Private traffic/ASB functions using powers are via CSAS - which comes about via the same Police Reform Act. :)
@@AlpineGABE Yeah, I'm aware where the powers come from. It's the accountability part I'm interested in. It appears that although the Chief Constable can designate powwrs to approved employers and their employees, neither they or the IOPC takes responsibility to investigate if those designated powers are abused. I acknowledge that the powers are very limited, and I don't think there is widespread abuse of the powers, I just found it odd that the CSAS complaints system is independent of the police or IOPC.
I'll sing you a song that won't take long ...
The police are used as social workers now days as well as trying to enforce some law which they do not always personally support .
I've seen Military Police in some towns. Do they have any authority over Joe Public?
No, but if you disregard a traffic direction that they give when guiding a military convoy, that can be taken into account in determining civil liability only. But if you are on designated Military Lands, then they do have powers, e.g. in Aldershot.
You often see MP round Catterick town to lift the squaddies if they get out of line.
I wouldn't chance it. They'll probably use their officialdom as an excuse to prosecute.
In answer to your title... A bunch of law ignorant, uniformed bullies, whose job it is (rather than to serve us) to keep the public in line.
a lot of people in this country cant tell you what a woman is so you got no chance of these people telling you what a constable is heheheheheeh
But does calling them an officer give them extra authority for the duration of that interaction as now you have acknowledged them as an officer of the law which they are not unless given authority by the individual, or is that another misunderstood thing?
@@paulcollyer801 that's not what I asked though. Yes, they always have powers for their position but if you call them an officer rather than constable it's "known" that they then have extra authority and extra powers above their position. For clarity, I put known in speach marks cause that is the question, is it true or just one of those tales. Accordingly there has been multiple instances in case law where courts have upheld the decision of the police even though they were working outside of their authority because they were referred to as officers and that made them officers of the law and of the court for the duration of the incident
It's another misunderstood thing.
@@paulcollyer801 so you're also a law professional and have studied the cases surrounding this question? Just curious, after all there's no point listening to personal opinions and I know nothing about you. I would like to have an answer that also is proven by a court or proof that the cases I heard about didn't actually happen. None of that can actually happen without a few days of research unless you are already familiar and have been studying this specific subject
@@stevenhodgson834 possibly but without proof from a law professional who can actually say. Case law sets presidents that twists things quite often
@@chriscjjones8182 No. As Paul said, you don't have to "give" them authority at all. They already have it.
Otherwise there would be a *massive* loophole in the law and people would simply walk away from being arrested all the time.
The clip we are commenting on discusses and confirms the powers that officers have. If you're going to suggest otherwise, you're going to have to back up that suggestion.
BBB: I'd be most interested in what you have to say about CCTV/video evidence being ignored by the police.
Recently I uploaded a diary of events plus video at the request of a 101 call handler and got an acknowledgement email from a human saying it would be added to the log.
However the investigating officer admitted they hadn't seen them so had come to completely the wrong conclusion about what I was reporting and blamed me for it. When challenged they claimed not to be able to see diary or video on the system and that the size of the video file would have meant my email would have been rejected.
But I had acknowledgement of its receipt...
something like that, particularly given its importance as evidence, would surely have been better burned to an optical disc and handed over personally?
@@BlokeOnAMotorbike I did what I was asked to do. Later when I kicked up a fuss I was asked to upload it to the police evidential server. Max file size there IIRC was 50GB.
Regarding insurance/bond, will each officer/constable have their own liability insurance? Asking because you said they are 'members' and therefore wondered if they were effectively self-employed
No - there is no liability insurance. They are not self-employed.
@@steve3291 Nor are they employed. They're 'office holders'. So that means they don't have quote the same employment rights as an employee would. They're not even 'workers' as far as employment law is concerned. Apologies if you already knew this.
You're a bit behind the curve here, Dave, the modern police officer is a social worker. Hurty words are more dangerous than assault and theft, you know.
I thought constable was what a woman got shortly after a shave. Well I am educated now!
Ever thought about dumping your single life and get married and have children?
Before becoming a Parking Officer I was employed as a Biosecurity Officer and the powers that were listed on my warrant were extensive and, to me, surprising. I was able to access any propert (except Maori land) including forcibly entering a property if I observed a pest organism or had reason to believe a pest organisms was inside. I was also able to demand a vehicle to stop and to requisition any vehicle for the purpose of containing a pest organism or observing/following a pest organism, to mention a few.
If their job is to protect the public, why do the respond straight away for business, yet when the public phone to report a burglary, it takes hours to send an officer around. Does this prove that they put businesses first before the public, as this is what the public seem to perceive.
I suggest you read the police oath.
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I still don't fully understand what an officer is though?
And who protects us from the police 🤔
I thought it was a lady police officer's badly shaven lady garden? 🤔🤪
Ok so my first 11 suggestions didn't get through but I'm sure they were all right, so I'll just have to point out the first 4 letters, obviously changing one of them to a u
Try me in your court black belt barrister, under the laws that are common to we the the people, see how far you get lets make it public for all to see, if you really have power above the rest of us? i await? will not get a response? but i await!
If you commit an offence you do not get to choose what kind of law you get tried under. Your alternative belief system will not keep you out of jail.
Are you telling me I cannot raise a Posse to run those low life quad bike miscreants out of town?
I could give you the answer to that question but RUclips would probably ban me.
what about the Tax man and VAT man what powers do they have
The Tax man isn't too bad. Upset the 'VAT man' however and you really WILL be in a world of sh*t! ;-)
Absolute Power
There's now no difference between the two since VAT and tax have both been operated by HMRC since around 2005.
I always found it weird how police specials can arrest yet PCSOs can’t
they are the original peelers. "special's" where more like bounty hunters that was disbanded when the issue they was dealing with was taken care of. they are very different than what we know today. the post of special constable or temporary constable is still used even today to recruit volunteers to serve the public . :)
Why. One is a officer the other isn’t.
A Special Constable is still a warranted Constable with all the same abilities and powers as a regular Constable except that they work on a part time basis. Whilst PCSO’s are uniformed members of Police Staff who has designated powers but are not warranted.
A Police Constable is the constitutional common law title under which they are tasked by the taxpayer (the people) to keep the peace, they hold this office under an oath. It is known as Tort Law, Harm, loss, fraud, an injured party, valid lawful claim.
This part falls under contract Law, The corporate realm is dependant on the legal term; tacit agreement, in so much as, the people do not refute the situation in legal format.
A Police Officer is a corporate private security enforcer, and by definition of the oath itself, to act in this manner, they are acting outside their oath and mandate by enforcing statute rules which are not law. "NO" injured party, "No" valid lawful claim, as under the international council of foreign relations it quoted as saying, all crimes are commercial CFR 27 SECTION 72.11
Hilarious!
@@stevenhodgson834 as much fun as being a slave without knowing you are a slave Hilarious, go look at CFR 27 SECTION 72.11
@@1peterpope458 what does American law have to do with the UK?
@@1peterpope458 Americans officers confiscating smuggled cigarettes? 🤣
This is great stuff, very funny. Got any more?
@@ArminGrewe We've got a proper woo-monger here!
Which police forces are corporations and or are owned by IBM etc?
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i challenge black belt barrister to a Marchelle arts fight in a ring just like 3d fight club, i put it out there, let see, if any think comes of it
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are you gonna fight him the same night Elon Musk gets his shit pushed in by Putin?
black belt barrister, i say we will see, false information is a crime upon we the people it is a common law crime it is in fact, i quite, Common Law Crimes committed on we the people,
Misconduct in public office
Misconduct in public office is an offence at common law triable only on indictment. It carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. It is an offence confined to those who are public office holders and is committed when the office holder acts (or fails to act) in a way that constitutes a breach of the duties of that office. carryon and i bet i will take you yo court, 4 this, never mind saying, right!
They are all orifficers .
Investigating unless it's Criminal activity involving grooming gang's 🤨
I was once flagged down by a police officer in the road. Immediately the ministry opened and dipped my tank for red deisel. When he told me what they were doing I reminded the police officer that he was in charge at that site and that they had not asked my permission to do that from me and had therefore taken away my right to refuse and obviously face the consequences. I also informed him that the Pcso who was also on the radio doing a vehicle check for legality of my vehicle was also outstepping her powers and that he was also responsible for both breaches of the laws and if he had a less tolerant motorist who knew the rules he could be having to answer to a court for his actions his face was a picture as he realised the errors.🙄
If a police officer stopped me and did that I'd help them do whatever checks they wanted because I'm not using red diesel. For some reason two latin words spring to mind mens rea...
Did he care? Probably not. The damage had already been done by the time you complained and couldn't be undone until you contested it in court, even then, it would probably too late.
There’s always one🤣
Good one. Now tell us something that actually happened.
Wont to be put to shame live on your channel, lets have a live common law vers corrupt law, lets see who wins, if you win i will do as you desire, if i win i will wont god to judge you, is that fair?
Love to watch that. However, considering you cannot write a coherent sentence, I’ll put my money on the barrister.
you ate making false reputmetations, you are claiming to be something you are not, if this channel is not shut down, court proceedings will competence without further reference to your self, breach of contract laws apply, therefore, if this site continues to pout garfish , the publisher will be held accountable for the actions, in the misinformation, put forward, and will be held to a count in a court for the information put out as false and misleading, in all video content. 1st final warning made public 4 all to see
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You. Are. Hilarious.