P2 - Whales got a bigger brain than you!? Suboor vs Agnostic | Speakers Corner
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- Part 2 - Brother Suboor discusses the fundamentals of the universe and existence with an agnostic with a lot questions and a big hat.
Part 3 coming soon
very intresting conversation
brother Saboor is a very intelligent educated student who has studied and researched in depth a wide range of subjects especially religion and has had many debates with well known scholars professors and lecturers from many parts of the world including most recently in the usa..
he is doing a great Job at speakers corner in clearing up misconceptions about religeon and especially Islam also helping the public understand Islam with more accurate understandings then what the media portray and mislead the public..
we need more brothers who r willing to study in depth as brother Saboor has done so we can change the stereo type of Islam and all the false hood associated with Islam.
may the Lord bless and reward u brother Saboor for all your efforts in giving Dawah ameen
this brother deserve his name,suboor.he was very patient with that lady's provocation
lady LOL
Agnostic: Let's have no rules, let's just make agreements but they all should be fit in to my favour.
No, Agnostic: A person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.
@@clappedoutmotor r/wooooosh 🤣🤣🤣
@@EpikMunk just like their belief in God.
@@clappedoutmotor if we could measure God based on our limited brain and limited capabilities then how will he be a God at all? God has to be something or someone who is beyond and above everything and nothing like us. So instead of trying to imagine what God looks like or what His nature is with your limited brain, try to understand why the existence of God is important and how much it makes sense.
@@shafqatishan437 You're making sense to me
I wasn't planning on watching this video cuz I need to sleep already but I had to when I saw that red cheeked old man,he's everywhere!!😂😂 and he's adorable I hope he becomes a muslim if he isn't
superawesomeusername
use the word handsome, awesome...etc
instead of adorable.
because adorable comes from the word "adore" , adore is another word for worship.
I know what you mean, I have to sleep an hour ago, but now I have to watch the entire video :D
superawesomeusername lol he reminds me of pinocchio
superawesomeusername
My thoughts exactly, I've met him in real life and he's as nice in real life as much as on RUclips.
Inshaallah he comes to Islam.
May Allah protect us.
well that's depressing...but there's still hope no one is beyond saving :)
Mohyeldin Zouhair what's your evidence for this?
Suboor is an asset to Islam ma shaa Allah. All the team is great
Guys please be nice in your comments
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@@muhammadzamzam9915 is that your real name?
May Allah open his heart to the truth
Even Ronaldinho couldn't dribble like this cowboy.
Rosey-cheeked gramps is adorable by the way 🤗
Hahahaha he is trying to play football on a table tennis table hahaha what the hell is he talking about. Not a single sentence make sense.
3:31 that explanation helped me a lot 😊 Jasakalaahu Khayr 👏🏾
I'm sorry 😐 but these atheists give me a headache 🤕 it's like riding a roller coaster with no breaks. May Allah guide them to the truth.
Believe me it gives Atheists headaches too. You're getting a headache because you are thinking about all possibilities of existence! You can learn to control those headaches and gain at least partial freedom of your mind.
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@Zain844
But all atheists are reluctant and not ready to accept the truth
Ameen
If you look at the life of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh), not a single person was killed for merely changing his/her private religion but only once they came out publicly in the act of treason and treachery, cooperating with the enemies to either harm the muslims or harm islam, were they ever punished. And even before this could even take place, they were offered a fair trial and hearing before a court where in most cases they were given the right to repent and granted forgiveness. Islam practiced open hearing and natural justice along with leniency before legal codes were even introduced which is why Mohammad (pbuh) earned the title of 'The greatest lawgiver of all time'. Capital punishment in the act of treason is nothing new. US CODE 2381, where citizens could most likely be killed for treason and conspiracy against he state.
islam talk copy paste 😂
@@intermezzo7198 so what if he copies information and sends it to you for your own benefit as long as it is valuable information we call that daawa (calling to the truth)
gwaan suboor.. ruthless as always with the athiests/agnostics my brother.. love it.
Waseem Fraz
I don't think so
I think he was patient and reasonable
When he talks, his eyes rolled up, avoiding eye contact. Thats weird when u talk face to face with somebody
hmm youre right. Any explanation of that ?
Yes, I noticed it too.
I think some people can't lie by looking at someone's eyes.becase they twitch their eye or change their other body expression If they lie. And the other person can easily find out and easy to catch them.
so I think James here is avoiding eye contact to avoid /hide his lies. He doesn't want our Muslim brother to notice that weakness.
MashAllah the brother is extremely knowledgeable. May Allah increase in your knowledge.
2017 - James, closet islamophobe.
2018 - James, testing and practicing islamaphobia.
2019 - James, fully qualified islamaphobe.
2020 - James, full time job as an islamaphobe.
Spot on
I don't think Subboor is necessarily TRYING to be a sledgehammer, but God damn he's well read mashallah. May Allah continue to bless him or increase it in all of his actions.
His hat is shielding reasonableness permeating into his arguments. He is everywhere.
This debate is weird on multiple levels: The smoking lady, the way people act and complain around her, the old guy showing up in every debate picking his nose, the cowboy hat guy, the person taking photos of the cowboy hat etc.
welcome to earth....peace and salutations be upon you
i always see this old man with red cheeks in almsot every third video at speakers corner...may Allah guied this old man to islam.
it's like James having internal conflict between his fitrah , rationality and what he was taught
But i think that fitra and rationality doesnt means to this cowboy anything , he only follow what he was taught
What's up with that photographer !! I bet it's the hat 😂
The hat guy is throwing ideas out there like a last minute essay attempt.
Finished the first video, now am on the second one. Addictive.
Masha Allah brother sabboor Ahmad
this dude i dunno how he keeps talking. wow. Allah guide us ameen.
They chose not to believe, they chose hell fire ,
May Allah keep arrogance out of our hearts
This video alone proves that to gain new knowledge, you must first be brave to say, "I don't know."
Is it hard for James to say 'i don't know' ? He have alot of arrogance to keep rambling clutching on straws
This guy is too sceptical even about his belief with regards atheism. Br. Subbour did literally ask him more than one straight clear question,yet the guy is arrogantly,ignorantly, deliberately and insistently avoiding answering brother Subbour having clearly understood the basic questions, if he in the first place claim to know what he is taking about.
This video contains 1000 kg of confusion. This cowboy doesn't know what he is talking about.
Another fine video. 😎
A Muslim asking an atheist to give him anything to disprove darwinism theory !!!!
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I'm mind blown
This Agnostic is the most unconsistent person i ever seen
'unconsistent' - lol. Muslims. Inconsistent, you muppet low IQ clown.
+Abu Musa - 'smells chicken chow mein'. WOW. Islam teaches racism. There you have it, this is what the little brown Muslim man considers the Asian's as. So take note that tiny percentage of Asian Muslims in China, Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong..
I am Singapore British (three generations UK and USA) you muppet. My cuisine is English. Then again who knows what third world, low IQ, nation you stem from. Probably another UK Muslim benefits scrounger with a failed education.
Go and make out in the sand with a bag head.
''Singapore British'', ''3 generations UK and US'', ''My cousin is english'', in the eyes of the english people and rest of westerners you are a Chinese(even though you are from Singapore). You are not one of them so drop these silly statements.
Ibn Jamac I am Chinese race yes. But citizenship of Singapore and UK. That is same for every ethnic minority in the UK that is not native English. They are their own race followed by their nationality. You do not change you race. In the UK there is about 90% native English British and 10% ethnic minority British. Nobody is disputing that. Same if someone from UK as a native Englishman is born in China. He can never be fully Chinese. He can be English-Chinese. English with Chinese citizenship but can not change his race.
Yeah okay good, it just came across like you where trying to make it look like you where somehow close to being ''white'', and others where far from it(like its something praiseworthy).
The hat mans argument about calling on God on your death bed falls apart when you consider that a similar thing can happen to atheists when they take lsd, psilocybin or something similar (even cannabis sometimes).
Br. Suboor, what is it that kept you going in the discussion with this young gentleman? From the start , one realises that the discussion is ....... fruitless? More directly.... what were you hoping for?
Tangentary and ramble bramble.. Is the name of the game.. Don't have an answer so I'll make up smokes
so of all the things the agnostic is willing to consider, has he considered the existence of the Creator? he seems to have issues with islam which one can deal with later
Atheism falls apart when scrutinised in details.
the way this guy answered Br Shuboor questions is like hes just running around the bushes without direction at all. no real answer given in the end and he's clearly confused from his voice tone
...he just mumbling all over the place, may Allah guide him.
James just got hit with a Hadoooken!!💥
I hope the video translated into Arabic altama interest paid tribute to you and God bless you, thank you
cowboy is just waffling..😅
I m amaze by their knowledge
we all should get our path straight.
Why he don't look at the brother eyes? Is he reserving words from aliens 😂
He has antenna like spongebob that someone tell him to say from some secret office. 😂🤣
The guy in the hat is stuck
cowboy shot himself in the foot ... Jiiihaa
where does intuition come from? is it part of the DNA? could we say that the so called intuition is part of tge fitra and with that of our soul? if so, then isn't he trying to proof his materialistic worldview through the use of the unseen?
Suboor, alhumdulillah a true Islamic intallect.
( QS Al Insan : 3)
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This is very frustrating to watch. Cowboy always has something to say based on his opinion with no facts. Brother Suboor has great patience trying to make him understand from all his claims with every single angle possible. I just don't understand how he can just keep questioning, even his own philosophy and still not admit to a reasonable understanding? Big words, word fillers, repeating the question in the form of an answer and then going on a tangent, really makes him look foolish! Hope cowboy reaches a conclusion that befits his definition of belief and existence.
Whats the camera guy gonna do with that much photograph of that guy
I have seen this guy before. He is so confused with the idea that Islam is wrong, he keeps connecting everything back to his intention. No matter what the topic is.
Why is he talking to the trees?
Who is the red chick old man? I see him in many videos. He never says a word.
Inconsistency?
When all else fails .. lets clutch at straws ...
sometimes he tries to laugh before making a statement but resist
In my childhood I always believed that It's British who has white blushing face, Like the old man!! :)
No coherent thought what so ever !
Quran 25:44 :
أَمْ تَحْسَبُ أَنَّ أَكْثَرَهُمْ يَسْمَعُونَ أَوْ يَعْقِلُونَ ۚ إِنْ هُمْ إِلَّا كَالْأَنْعَامِ ۖ بَلْ هُمْ أَضَلُّ سَبِيلًا
Quran 25:44 - Or deemest thou that most of them hear or understand? They are but as the cattle - nay, but they are farther astray?
Kinda funny watching James struggling to give an example of the falsification of Darwinism.
this agnostic is only looking into islam. no other religion because Islam is the only religion based upon a reasonable theology.
he is a reasonable guy but has misconceptions about some ahadith and the law of apostasy etc. its because of these questions he is in denial. this is what it seems from his arguements wa Allahu A3lam.
but these questions will disappear once he is given a strong arguement why Quran is definitely the word of the Creator. I hope someone does that
Nope, I heard his debate with Mohammad Hijab where he clarified that he is particularly interested in Islam or something along these lines.
It's true Islam is in the news a lot. People are propagating against it but the effect is the opposite. just in the last 7 years, 100,000 people accepted Islam in Britain, 72% of those are women. this is just for Britain.
there is only one mainstream understanding. the apostate is to be put to death in an Islamic state for treason. this law cannot be practiced anywhere in the world today because there is no Islamic state which is governed by the laws of the Creator.
You need to understand that Islam is not just a faith. Islam encompasses a whole way of life at an individual, societal and governmental level. The Creator has not missed a single aspect in His approved way of life.
If someone leaves Islam, he hasn't just left his faith, he has left the military and knows all your secrets. If he can help the enemy against you in battles and stuff, his punishment is death.
there are narrations where the prophet عليه الصلاة والسلام (as the head of the state: political leader) let go of those who promised and signed a treaty to never help any enemy against the Islamic state.
but if this person or these people broke the treaty and harmed the Muslims, or proved treacherous (like the Jewish tribe that lived in Madinah and signed a treaty but secretly helped Quraish to annihilate the Muslims), then Muslims are to battle with them and those people are to face the punishment.
Btw, what is the punishment of treason in states? It is the same. so why do you have a problem if the state of Madinah had this law?
Islam is one religion. those that divide are the ones with no knowledge of the Quran and sunnah, they are just assuming and having wishful thinking like the Christians. when presented with evidence, they turn away.
People who study the deen and understand it truly submit to the Creator of the universe and are united upon the truth. they are a minority in the present day as the majority let their desires rule them
How could you miss the point so badly? She clearly said that at that time leaving Islam and moving to an enemy tribe was considered treachery. She very clearly said AT THAT TIME. In today's world there is no Islamic state, pagan state, Christian empire, and Jewish alliances like there were at that time. Therefore, it is not applicable today. In the modern day, it is equivalent to betraying your country and leaking information to your enemies. And btw in Islamic history, there are countless examples of people who left Islam and were never hurt by anyone.
As for the Banu Qurayza tribe, the prophet sent four messengers right before the battle to confirm that they will honor their agreement and they promised they would. He already knew they were going to betray him but he still gave them a chance. Then, during the battle, the Jews allowed the Pagans to attack the Muslims from their side and intended to fight themselves were it not for the Prophet's intelligence who ordered a group of Muslims to go all around the city and scream Allahu Akbar in different places at the same time to give the Jewish tribe the illusion that the Muslims are victorious. That would in return prevent them from backstabbing the Muslims like they intended to. As for the punishment, an arbitrator was chosen whom the jews accepted and he made the judgement not the prophet.
That judgement was made according to the Jewish law which states that in cases of treachery men have to be slain, women and children taken as captives. In their initial agreement with the prophet, they were allowed their own system of law according to the Torah. The prophet neither influenced the decision nor was he involved in any stage of the decision-making, as the representatives of Banu Qurayzah did not seek his judgement.
It is also important to note that that was not the first Jewish tribe to breach their treaty with the prophet. The first time he forgave, the second time he expelled them and allowed them to take all their properties with them. Third time, he had to be firm or else he would have been begging to be killed as well as all his followers. If that pagan-Jewish alliance had worked every Muslim would have been slaughtered that day. Learn to read and understand.
If you really want to educate yourself about that incident, here are a few prolonged more accurate rebuttals.
foreverislam.blogspot.ae/2010/02/banu-qurayza-massacre-or-myth.html
www.bismikaallahuma.org/polemical-rebuttals/myths-facts-about-the-banu-qurayzah/
tdsdave
the statistic I gave only mentions the number of people who changed their names to muslim names and had to go through all the processes of changing it on their birth certificate etc. majority of reverts dont do this, like darren myat and paul from the SC.
all these 100,000 were those who were engaged in the study of comparative religion for at least 7 years. some of them started with islam and then went on to study other religions and came back to islam.
no, people who become muslim in the UK are not entering a muslim army because its not an Islamic state. like the bro above said, you completely missed my arguement. re-read for clarity
Islam is not a religion. I am restricted by the english langauge to translate the word this way but its actually a "deen" which can be roughly put as "way of life".
I highly encourage you to read about how the world was when the law of the Creator was practiced under the caliphate of God-concious Muslims. that in itself is a proof that this can only be the law of the Creator.
look the time of Omar ibn Al khattab (one of the best companions of the prophet عليه الصلاة والسلام and the 2nd khalifah of Islam). if you dont like reading, im sure you can find videos here on youtube.
also, in the time of Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz, the state reached a level of perfection, wallahi. there was no crime and No poverty.
there are authentic reports stating that muslims would complain that they cannot find anyone to give zakah (obligatory charity) to.
please read this beautiful history of Islam and how it transformed the most primitive people of the time to the greatest reformists to ever walk this earth in very short time.
the uk constitution that you are proud of is also inspired by the pact of Omar ibn al Khattab as is stated in their documents. br. Hamza tzortzis once shared it at the SC.
do search about this if you wanna know.
Do not look at the present example, there is no Islamic state today.
if you provide me any example of apostasy, it will be invalid because this is a capital punishment for the crime of treason in an Islamic state and such a scenario is non existent in the present world. but if you have any examples then sure go ahead.
links:
www.bbc.com/news/uk-12075931
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
^And there are more. now this is anti islamic media that i referenced. you can also check out revert stories on youtube to know why people convert to Islam.
I've got too much work at hand so i will only be able to give a brief reply:
firstly, stop quoting me out of context, i was talking about the time of the Prophet عليه الصلاة والسلام and when Islam functioned at a national level.
muslims weren't defined by a certain enthnicity, rather they were "muslims" from the "islamic state" which had its military. my brodah, I wonder if you really dont get it or you're just playing dumb.
yes I am exactly saying that. there is no apostasy law for anyone leaving islam anywhere in the world today because this is not treason in case of people who are just leaving Islam as a faith.
"there shall be no compulsion in faith" (surah al baqarah: 256). hope you can comprehend this, its really simple
at the time of Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz, the muslim state reached perfection at a societal level. there was peace in the land and the society functioned very healthy.
at an individual level, you cannot change each and every individual's heart. curropt people still existed and every great leader has enemies.
UK does not have to have a written contitution but it has a system, doesnt it?
which is inspired by the pact of Omar Ibn al Khattab and this fact is written by someone that Br. Hamza spoke of quote on quote.
youtube "hamza tzortzis - who was muhammad"
Good day
My bro in humanity, I really do not have time to read your reply. seriously. I am so sorry but I have got some massive projects to take care of (I am an architect). I can listen to audios in the background but cannot read. can you be kind enough to put your main message in a nutshell? Then, I will try to address your questions as much as time allows
Thank goodness the crazy smoke lady has evacuated.
Cowboy is no dummy. I think it's a matter of time before he becomes a muslim, bi ibnillah ta alle.
BornInBosnia بإذن الله تعالى
@@onceyouteahy_onyoucantteah4260 unless he drop his arrogant he will probably won't cuz u need to be open minded
This was 2 years ago...and he's still the same now. Maybe worse
The man with the cowboy hat is all over the place he flip flops when his arguments goes against his arguments. I think he should pause for a moment think about what he is about to say then make a comment. Watching him in different video's l think he is not there to learn but just to argue for the sake of arguing.
Watched the part 1, now I'm wondering if he has someone in his life. Because he sounds so monotonous. And he doesn't need god "for the moment". He really needs to crack the nutshell first.
i think this guy just want to be on Internet.no matter if he look dump or not.
12:28 i hear a hater preecher's sound somewhere very far😅🤣🤣🤣 it is hatun (cartoon) 😅😅🤣🤣
Suboor should go learn a little from shabir, about clear logic... Suboor is good at scientific explanations though.
He started coughing when he started being dishonest in the conversation ….the lord works in mysterious ways 😏
Among all of agnostic that I've watched debated with brother suboor...... this man are the most confusing and nonsensical agnostic......
Seems everyone's got a cold.
world worst confuse white guy with cowboy hat
I would say shabir is better, he would end this conversation in a couple of minutes.
Headacheeeee
Thar camera man rocks 🙈😆
At some point theists have to admit that religion is based on faith and not on reason and logic. Through centuries of argument and discourse, rationality has resulted in atheism and a secular society. Using reason to justify religion and undermine science is ridiculous and futile: stick to faith.
Cowboy man is all over the place.
May Allah give him hidaya if he deserves it, it's really hard to listen to someone who's constantly ignoring and rejecting clear and logical points.
Guy with hat 🤫
This 'Straw-Man' sounds so snaky, boring - monotone disingenuous individual constantly jumps and shifts whenever he is cornered and challenged.
Well done Suboor for rinsing this pseudo scientist.
Ooh wow this guy recently debated hamza and 4 years before that he already talked with suboor, so no hope for this guy, he just want to argue, in sake of arguing, he is not seeking truth, so please focus on more clean hearted people,
Other than those psychos.
no mercy
Contradictions in this Agnostic’s blind faith reminds me of Qadiani Ahmadis
When He find this convo is based on his world view he tries to divert it with red herrings and Islam criticism. why not answer it Directly like how it is to be done. from his own worldview.
"Its Kind of a"
This atheist is silly.. i mean like most of them.. but this one has a special kind of silliness.. he is passive agressive
Subboor always makes atheists realize that they have no foundation to stand on😂😂😂😂
Confused cowboy......
*_The Atheist is lost in his evolutionary worldview._*
English cowboy has so far not made his position clear. Seems like a waste of Br. Subbor time.
Bro. What u talking bout man?
ty brother for taking this hugeeee ignoramus too school
you want to know how calling out to god on your death bed make sense in a naturalistic world view? simple. we have evolved brains that are flawed and can believe in things that are untrue. Also, risk assessment is a survival tool, therefore you assess the risk of dying, and add a safety net of 'might as well try god just incase'. Easy peasy mate lol
This guy is waffling
What the hell this atheist saying, he is saying which he doesn't know. Sense less
he has a deeper problem he needs to address.
13:22 This Hijab sweetie is so hot Mashaa Allah