Wonderful video. Have dealt with shin bang for 40+ years. Have done all these therapies and they help to a degree. Probably have 1500 invested in my boots and liner with all the modifications. I also wear compeed large band aids directly on my shins with a gel pad. Still have shin pain after couple days skiing but the pain is drastically less. You know you are at a good boot fitter when they say they can help reduce but not eliminate the pain. It’s the anatomical make up of your shin. No one will be able to eliminate the pain. Most boot fitters have no idea.
Just realized this was common a thing. I have a lot of trouble with this when trying to flex to butter leaning back with my skis. I have Line TWP skis so I feel like the ski flex isn’t the problem. It absolutely kills my shins and that area when I try to lean back to butter. I tried tightening the boot as much as I can around my leg and added the insole things in my boots but still have a big problem with it. My boots are Dalbello IL Moro Mx 90. Is there anything else I can do? My boots fit really well, but it still hurts bad. Should the tongue inside of the mold or outside for my boots. I have always done inside, but I did the outside and I think it felt easier on my legs
Love the detailed videos! I bought ski boots and skis as I recently fell in love with the sport, but the pain kills me. I made the mistake of wearing sports pants, which caused excessive burning sensations and bruising on my lower shins. Do you suggest wearing just shorts and ski socks underneath your snow pants? I feel as though the bruising slowly goes away but as soon as I ski again it comes right back.
Thanks Julio! Yeah it is the most addictive thing ever! :) The best thing you can do is to have only a sock inside your ski boots. Avoid any other layers. If you get a full length ski sock, you can match where they fit with a 3/4 length thermal. (just under the knee) That way you get great warmth and don't interfere with the fit of the boots. With a real ski sock and a boot that fits well, you will prevent this bruising all together! Cheers, enjoy the skiing!
I seem to pass all these test (flex, volume etc) on my ski boot, but when I flex my boot I get a major pressure point on my shin at the top of the boot. Is the volume to big? Should there be an even pressure on the entire shin from the boot? Would a volume reducer help?
Yeah, usually in this case there is too much volume in the cuff. I would suggest a tongue shim or/and dualstraps to get it flexing with your leg better!
I only get shinbang when I jump off cliffs and land backseat, never get it when I normally shred. Is that still a boot fit issue? If so what are some good boots?
Yeah can be. I would first recommend double checking shell fit and also space fit around the cuff before looking at new boots. Trustraps could really help, Also focus on sock choice and have a good footbed. If it continue once you've dialled in the little things, maybe consider a 3 piece boot. But tight leg fit and support is critical for sending drops/ free ride boots.
So you shouldn't have any space between your shins and the boot tongue when you are properly buckled up? Should the shin always be in contact with the boot?
Thats right man, ideally your shin should always be in contact with no space between. you may notice when flexing that your leg comes of the back of the liner. We want to prevent bouncing back and forth. So a quick trick for narrow legs is to do up your power strap behind the cuff on just your liner. This helps keep the tongue snug against your shin. :)
your foot shouldn't move in the footbed. toes and heel provide control fore/aft, the arch is an anchor point and helps toes provide edge control (lateral). The cuff should basically be a lateral protection/support against ankle breakage and to encourage proper posture for beginners. Securing the cuffs good tight is the lazy and wrong way IMO (done that for too long to count). Then again I'm speaking ski and skates, snowboarding edge control is toes to heal, you can achieve that in so many ways that you can get away with a lot less freedom of ankles, oversized boots with cuffs tightened - a lot more forgiving, still nothing wrong with doing it right all the way (so you don't rely on knees only to do the edging, which is bad).
Not really. The key to ending shin bang is to get the right size, good close fit around the leg, good lightweight ski socks and the right amount of foot support. :)
I don't do alot of jumping. But I get bloody/blistering shins only on the rights side. I have inserts and whatever, but I have small calves and the boot never aligns with my legs. Problem is that my feet always hurt so they feel like they are too small there. Do you think my bloody shins can be due to too big boots?
Yes maybe boots to big, but I would definitely suggest you look at some tongue shims and Dualstraps. Will be a game changer! maybe some different footbeds if your feet are sore. Could be too stiff of a footbed
Hi Juan, I wouldnt recommend grinding the liners unless you have tried literally every other solution first. It is definitely tough when you are still growing as changes will happen each season and a big cause of shin pain is the excess space in the boots. I would highly recommend that you use a footbed to support your foot and also use a product called an "Eliminator" tongue. This will be hugely helpful in making your boots fit better and preventing shin bang! If you need any specific help, feel free to email info@patriotfootbeds.com and I can help you narrow this down to a good solution. :) Cheers
Hi Juan, A hair dryer will be fine when working on warming up liners. But wont be hot enough to heat the boot shells. so perfect for softening the tongue if you need to manipulate them :)
@@tobiasz2246 Yes it may be the main cause. Definitely best to only wear 1 pair of socks. Also never have your thermals down in your boots either. Also do up your power strap nice and tight, (sometimes even directly on your liner.) If it still occurs after this, you would need to look more at your boots actual fit. And fix with some shims, footbeds.
It will only be a few things causing it. :) 1. Cuff fit/ liner fit with voids allowing small impacts building over time. 2. Socks too thick on shin or pulling up on leg hairs. 3. Foot not supported well enough, and allowing some slide within the boot. 4. Boot too stiff flex wise 5. Not enough security at the instep. My Best Solutions: 1. Trustraps 2.0 2. Elite Socks - (or something ultralight) 3. Tongue Shim to fill any voids on the tongue of your liner. 4. Intuition Liners Hope that helps!
Wonderful video. Have dealt with shin bang for 40+ years. Have done all these therapies and they help to a degree. Probably have 1500 invested in my boots and liner with all the modifications. I also wear compeed large band aids directly on my shins with a gel pad. Still have shin pain after couple days skiing but the pain is drastically less. You know you are at a good boot fitter when they say they can help reduce but not eliminate the pain. It’s the anatomical make up of your shin. No one will be able to eliminate the pain. Most boot fitters have no idea.
Hallelujah! you guys are lifesavers. I'll def give it a try. Had to stop skiing after only 10 minutes.. Next season no more shin bang!
Thanks Nynke, If there is any questions you have on how to get comfy boots just get in touch info@patriotfootbeds.com will be happy to help. Cheers
Nice vid.
Thanks!
Just realized this was common a thing. I have a lot of trouble with this when trying to flex to butter leaning back with my skis. I have Line TWP skis so I feel like the ski flex isn’t the problem. It absolutely kills my shins and that area when I try to lean back to butter. I tried tightening the boot as much as I can around my leg and added the insole things in my boots but still have a big problem with it. My boots are Dalbello IL Moro Mx 90. Is there anything else I can do? My boots fit really well, but it still hurts bad. Should the tongue inside of the mold or outside for my boots. I have always done inside, but I did the outside and I think it felt easier on my legs
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+Kiran Warrier Thanks!
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Love the detailed videos!
I bought ski boots and skis as I recently fell in love with the sport, but the pain kills me.
I made the mistake of wearing sports pants, which caused excessive burning sensations and bruising on my lower shins.
Do you suggest wearing just shorts and ski socks underneath your snow pants?
I feel as though the bruising slowly goes away but as soon as I ski again it comes right back.
Thanks Julio!
Yeah it is the most addictive thing ever! :)
The best thing you can do is to have only a sock inside your ski boots. Avoid any other layers. If you get a full length ski sock, you can match where they fit with a 3/4 length thermal. (just under the knee) That way you get great warmth and don't interfere with the fit of the boots.
With a real ski sock and a boot that fits well, you will prevent this bruising all together!
Cheers, enjoy the skiing!
I stuck a heel insert into my boots, all shinbang went away
Nice!
I seem to pass all these test (flex, volume etc) on my ski boot, but when I flex my boot I get a major pressure point on my shin at the top of the boot. Is the volume to big? Should there be an even pressure on the entire shin from the boot? Would a volume reducer help?
Yeah, usually in this case there is too much volume in the cuff. I would suggest a tongue shim or/and dualstraps to get it flexing with your leg better!
I only get shinbang when I jump off cliffs and land backseat, never get it when I normally shred. Is that still a boot fit issue? If so what are some good boots?
Yeah can be. I would first recommend double checking shell fit and also space fit around the cuff before looking at new boots.
Trustraps could really help, Also focus on sock choice and have a good footbed.
If it continue once you've dialled in the little things, maybe consider a 3 piece boot. But tight leg fit and support is critical for sending drops/ free ride boots.
So you shouldn't have any space between your shins and the boot tongue when you are properly buckled up? Should the shin always be in contact with the boot?
Thats right man, ideally your shin should always be in contact with no space between. you may notice when flexing that your leg comes of the back of the liner. We want to prevent bouncing back and forth. So a quick trick for narrow legs is to do up your power strap behind the cuff on just your liner. This helps keep the tongue snug against your shin. :)
Thanks for the fast response :)
your foot shouldn't move in the footbed. toes and heel provide control fore/aft, the arch is an anchor point and helps toes provide edge control (lateral). The cuff should basically be a lateral protection/support against ankle breakage and to encourage proper posture for beginners. Securing the cuffs good tight is the lazy and wrong way IMO (done that for too long to count). Then again I'm speaking ski and skates, snowboarding edge control is toes to heal, you can achieve that in so many ways that you can get away with a lot less freedom of ankles, oversized boots with cuffs tightened - a lot more forgiving, still nothing wrong with doing it right all the way (so you don't rely on knees only to do the edging, which is bad).
Does having flexier skis help with shin bang
Not really. The key to ending shin bang is to get the right size, good close fit around the leg, good lightweight ski socks and the right amount of foot support. :)
@@PatriotFootbeds ok thank you
I don't do alot of jumping. But I get bloody/blistering shins only on the rights side. I have inserts and whatever, but I have small calves and the boot never aligns with my legs. Problem is that my feet always hurt so they feel like they are too small there. Do you think my bloody shins can be due to too big boots?
Yes maybe boots to big, but I would definitely suggest you look at some tongue shims and Dualstraps. Will be a game changer!
maybe some different footbeds if your feet are sore. Could be too stiff of a footbed
Im 14 amd my boot fiting is quite bad, if I do any of these changes are they permanent ? Im going to keep growing and I dont want 1 boot per season
Hi Juan, I wouldnt recommend grinding the liners unless you have tried literally every other solution first. It is definitely tough when you are still growing as changes will happen each season and a big cause of shin pain is the excess space in the boots. I would highly recommend that you use a footbed to support your foot and also use a product called an "Eliminator" tongue. This will be hugely helpful in making your boots fit better and preventing shin bang! If you need any specific help, feel free to email info@patriotfootbeds.com and I can help you narrow this down to a good solution. :) Cheers
Patriot Footbeds will a hair dryer do the work of the heat gun?
Hi Juan, A hair dryer will be fine when working on warming up liners. But wont be hot enough to heat the boot shells. so perfect for softening the tongue if you need to manipulate them :)
I have really bad shin bang and I have tried many things, but still hurts, you have any ideas?
Yes, footbeds, really thin socks and Dualstraps!
@@PatriotFootbeds i do have Quite Bad shinbang so could wearing two pairs of socks be the reason?
@@tobiasz2246 Yes it may be the main cause. Definitely best to only wear 1 pair of socks. Also never have your thermals down in your boots either.
Also do up your power strap nice and tight, (sometimes even directly on your liner.)
If it still occurs after this, you would need to look more at your boots actual fit. And fix with some shims, footbeds.
Why does my shinbang hurt in the center of the shin?
It will only be a few things causing it. :)
1. Cuff fit/ liner fit with voids allowing small impacts building over time.
2. Socks too thick on shin or pulling up on leg hairs.
3. Foot not supported well enough, and allowing some slide within the boot.
4. Boot too stiff flex wise
5. Not enough security at the instep.
My Best Solutions:
1. Trustraps 2.0
2. Elite Socks - (or something ultralight)
3. Tongue Shim to fill any voids on the tongue of your liner.
4. Intuition Liners
Hope that helps!