How Ski Boots should feel- Bootorials Ep.17
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- This video covers the sensations you should be feeling when your foot is inside a ski boot. Knowing how a boot should feel will help you judge if the boot is right for you.
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The funniest tutorial I have seen, lol.
I am upgrading from rentals to buying a used ski boot and this video helped a lot. Thanks!
Thanks Gurnoor! Appreciate it. Best of luck with your boots!
I’m here really concerned about the fit of my boot seeking video for help. First 3 seconds “ooooooo” loll
Wow! Finally someone explaining so I understand the heel fit! It’s my first time buying alpine boots (as an adult) and with a wide foot but narrow ancles its been really hard. Been going crazy trying to understand why on all boots tried I could still lift my heel a tint bit - thinking that was a huge problem! Now I understand that as long as I am secured not to move around sideways (and the rest fits as it should) I am ok :)
Thanks a lot! Will go back to my boot place tomorrow knowing more and I think I will now be able to get those ones that felt so great other than that little room up and down that I was so worries about 😂
Great! I hope you get a great set of boots!
The one thing I’ll add is you need to be able to wiggle your toes. Wiggling your toes promotes thermoregulation. Riding the lift and using the time to wiggle your toes will retain your warmth better. Warm toes keeps you on the mountain longer.
Completely Agree
Thanks a lot, this has been a huge help!
No worries, thanks for watching!
Thank you I had them double checked and the boot was too small. I had another shop check them.
+jerry quintana have you gone into a 27.5 now?
Very good. Thx
Thanks
Hi Craig, thanks for doing these videos man they are really useful, keep up the good work! Having recently had trouble with ski boots I am on the hunt for buying my own and will probably be purchasing a set of your footbeds!
William Eaton Thanks William, I am glad they help! Good luck with your boot search and I know you will love the footbeds. Cheers
Yes the shop that sold me the 26.5 swapped them out 27.5 ful tilt descendant 4.
+Patriot Footbeds thank you just trying to get them adjusted I keep loosing circulation in my toes
No worries, Jerry. Heat mold, good footbed and proper buckle tension should sort that out. :)
Hi Craig, Thanks for all these videos. I ave a question about my toes movement in my boots. I have a very secure fit on my x pro 120 in the ankle area, and no lateral movement. Overall snag feel but I can move my toes up and down. Is that normal? How much movement of the toes is acceptable?
Hi Bosko, Yes up and down movement is fine. It is actually good for warmth as you can move them up and down while sitting on the chairlift! :) But you shouldnt try scrunch your toes or get extra grip, thats usually a sign of too much toe space and can strain your feet. Overall the Xpro is quite generous in shell volume up front, so other boots you may find secure you more through this area. But go by what feels most comfortable.
Hi bro, thanks for these vids! use ski boots now the 6 season, but since last year my left foot experiences pain on its talus part of the hinderfoot. I do get that boots get amortized with time, but it is strange why the pressure is only on my left. Also is my judgment right, that when mostly riding skis backcountry & freeride and eventually center-binding, we tend to lean more on the back and it works bad on the ski-boots. So, being ignorant on this issue are there more specialized ski boots, as the classic shape is mostly alpine intended? Thanks a bunch!
Hi Loosereh,
Yeah with six seasons, (depending on how much you ski) it is likely that your liners might be packed out too far. Especially if the pain is on your heel, it might be time for a new boot. The main thing you want to consider with a boot is fit. The better the ski boot can support and secure your foot, the better you will ski. There is some differences between boots when it comes to function, such as boots more tailored to freeride and backcountry skiing, by having hike modes for skinning, different stance angles and different features attached. But your first and foremost focus between your options should always be which boots fit the best with the shape and size of your feet. From this point you can get more technical and customize a bit more! :)
Hi Craig. Just found your vids, now subscribed. Engaging, entertaining and really useful stuff , thank you. You look like you've got similar feet to mine. Broad toe area with high arches. This has caused me massive problems with hire boots. Having to go up a size etc. I bit the bullet last year and got fitted out in the Alps. I went through most of the guy's stock and in the end the only boots that seem to do it for me were the Head Adaptedge. I got a custom footbed too. The bloke came out laughing his head off, holding something that looked like a Pringle. Do you have similar issues/solutions?
+Simon Neen If you've got a review of the 2013 Adaptedge LTD that would be pretty groovy. Bit late for me, but still be nice to hear an impartial opinion.
+Simon Neen Thanks Simon! Stoked you enjoy them! Yeah, getting a pair of boots that fit you well will make a massive difference to your skiing. Custom footbeds can be great, but only if made well. A pringle is not the shape I would be going for! Ha :) Issues I had early on were blood flow and finding the right boot to secure my heel. There are many solutions for all types of fit problems. Have you been to the website yet? patriotfootbeds.com Tons of useful info there too! Or feel free to send me a message- info@patriotfootbeds.com Cheers
+Simon Neen Will do this as soon as I can!
hi i have a question. a few days ago i went skiing and then when i went home i saw that my shins were bruised. any idea why or what i could do to stop them from bruising. i just rent ski boots when i go skiing, thanks
Hey Craig! Love the Bootorials series - I watched them all and they are so informative!
Very good advice on the fit here, especially the part about having no lateral movement in the toes - however, for someone buying their first pair of boots, it might be unclear how to actually measure that lateral movement. For instance, I had to ski 5 full days in my new boots to realize that what I felt like "just enough room to wiggle my toes" was actually a boot that's too wide for my foot... but I only feel that it's wide when I'm actually pressuring my ski and actively flexing the ankle, not when it's warm and I'm just standing in the boots. I've thus come up with a test for this - you have to stand on a non-slippery surface (such as a carpet or rubber), really flex the boot, make sure it doesn't readily rotate if you rotate the foot - and then try to move your toes left and right in the boot. This is when I actually feel that I've got too much room in there.
Given the above, hope you can share your thoughts on my boots... I bought Salomon X-Pro 120 which are of exactly the right size for me, which makes their fantastic customizability useless because they'll get loose the instant I heat them up to mold... I have custom-made insoles and skied 5 full days in them, and experience a set of issues with them:
1. The more upright I stand, the less control I feel over my ski. I thus tend to "hip dump" to maintain control and keep weight closer to the heel rather than the middle of the foot - my heel is held in place nicely, but the toe box feels loose during a turn when I'm flexing the ankle (and the forefoot lifts up inside the boot)
2. So the toe box is loose, but my feet fall asleep in the boots quickly, and especially quickly when it's cold. I don't crank the instep buckle at all - I usually can close it with little finger (same with the toe buckle).
3. Outsides of my feet on the bottom (all the way from 5th metatarsal to the heel) become really sore after a few runs, and improve slightly over time either if I loosen the instep buckle or if I tighten the entire boot really hard.
3. There's a pressure point from the tongues of the liners above the inner ankle. My bootfitter cut off some plastic from the boot's flaps against that place, but it didn't help much. This place doesn't feel too bad if I do the power strap really tight - but I believe it adds to the numbness... I also feel that after 5 days the liners have started to pack out a bit and I start feeling pressure on my inner ankle bones too (which has been a perpetual problem for me with any rental boots).
4. (this probably can't be fixed but worth asking still) It's insanely hard to get in and out of the boot if it's not toasty warm. I tend to peel some skin off my instep with the tongues of the boots when doing that (I've tried both pulling the tongue up really hard to add some room for instep, as well as moving it to the side and manually raising the opposing flap - this is very hard to do when the plastic is even a bit cold).
Do you think there is anything I can do with the boots other than throwing them away to make them fit better? I feel that my bootfitter (who is one of the most reputable ones in this area) did a really bad job measuring the width (which seems to be narrow and not "regular") and instep height of my feet, and not recommending going a size smaller so the boot could be heat molded...
Sorry about the long list of questions!
Perhaps I could run Fischer's Vacuum Fit against my boots to make them tighter in the toe box and roomier in the instep at the same time?
Hi Sergey,
Yeah great advice on the Lateral test!
In regards to your Xpros, it is kinda hard to directly advise without seeing them, but it does sound like you need to reduce volume in the front but still give relief to the instep.
The best ways to do this will be to target them separately. So by either reducing volume and then manipulating the liner across the top of the foot. Or by replacing the liner all together.
For the pressure across the outside of the foot it is likely the footbed and the support being too pronounced across this part of the foot, or a case of impacting the shell at the rear of the 5th metatarsal.
Same for your ankle pressure. Either look to flatten the tongue a bit, since you have already removed plastic, Or it might be impacting the shell also.
Lastly with getting them on, it is all technique :) Even with stiffer flexing boots the key is to get the right action of lifting and twisting the tongue, while forcing directly down with your heel! ruclips.net/video/GRE6qtCRtNU/видео.html
I would suggest that you can still make improvements to these boots! And long term really focus on the shell fit as you are asessing some new ones. Yes Fischer Vaccuum could also be a good strategy, but be sure to check all sizing before considering the molding process. :)
Cheers mate, let me know if I can help with more questions!
@@PatriotFootbeds thank you so much for the great advice Craig.
I feel inspired that there are things to try with the liners :) What do you mean by flattening the tongue?
And replacing them definitely sounds like an option - I tried a boot with Intuition liner in a store, and it seemed to be snug (even tight) enough to give hope that it will not be loose after heat molding.
And amazing video for the technique - and while getting in only gets better if I apply all of my force to it, your way of getting out of the boots works wonders!
@@sergn717 All I mean by flattening the tongue is mellowing out the curve that the tongue has from one side to the other. If you try give it a little heat and fold that edge back and try flatten it more so it doesnt dig in as much near the ankle. It can help a lot!
Also yeah I think maybe a replacement liner might go really well for you in that boot to get a better result.
@@PatriotFootbeds interesting!! I'll try that cheers!
Thank you for the video. I have a question: I ski with atomic boots for two years, but they are a little too big (size 30-31). I thought maybe next boots with flex 130 would be great 30-30.5, but I tried my soon's boots and (30-30.5) and looks like a have extra space (a little) for toes too (even with extra insole). Shall I book 29-29,5? I shall do it online, so bit complicated send it back... my
foot length is 30,2 cm.
Hi mate, yeah it will be determined more by the actual shell size more than the mondopoint sizing.
So if you get a chance, I would recommend looking at the fit of the shells of your current boots. If you can reduce by a cm, then you will be ok! :)
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I sized at a 27.5 and the boot fitter put me in a 26.5 I I told him my toes fell smashed in the front and he decided to put a heal lift. After my first ride in my boots my big toe nail is black. Also I am getting a lot of pressure on the top of my foot and loosing blood flow. and advice should I be in a 27.5? thank you
+jerry quintana possibly. Check your boot shells for size- watch this video : ruclips.net/video/WJ_KXgeVTw8/видео.html
Cheers for the info, but I have always hated boots fitting tighter than they should and am wondering if I should get into a 26 (with a foot length bang on 25cm), also, my foot is wide as so extra room has always helped me through a long day on the hill. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Hi Vaughn, Yeah I am not opposed to this. At the end of the day it is your feet and youve got to go with whats best. If thats up a size, then that is fine.
Obviously its a balance between comfort and performance. I usually approach directly with performance in mind as I can then make some alterations to get the comfort side dialled in.
If you get a chance, I would recommend watching my shell fitting videos as this can give you a clearer picture of what sizing will work best for you.
Sometimes staying true to foot size and then going with a different liner and footbed can work wonders.
Cheers!
@@PatriotFootbeds Cheers for the reply, I ended up going into the shop and trying both on, and both would be fine for me in honesty, but the 25.5 just held my foot in place with less slip forward/back, and went with them haha. I just needed a wider boot to match my feet and ended up with the HEAD Advant Edge 105's, pretty stoked
@@vaughnsigal4560 Nice choice!
The shell of my boots seem to have generous room but when I wear my liner even out side there is a lot of pressure on the side of my big toe and little toe plus the outer edge of my foot, little toes end. Even with the liner out my little toes and that side start to go numb. Is this an issue with the liner toe area only. My feet seem to be a lot wide that the foot area of the liner also. Got any ideas.
Hi Wilson, it is possible that your liner is the problem. I recommend that you check out my videos of shell fitting ruclips.net/video/6wgfwUTh33M/видео.html and of stretching liners ruclips.net/video/9IUznkkeoUU/видео.html. That will help you assess exactly what is causing you the restriction. Are the boots still fairly new? Did you do a heat mold on them? Cheers :)
+Patriot Footbeds
Hi,
Had them fitted but only have worn them for one weeks skiing. They where not very comfortable but persevered and had wore them around house before going for a week.. When buy the fitter did heat mold them, they also have custom beds for Pronation. They in reality have never felt right. The footbeds are extremely uncomfortable leading to bunring foot feeling on soles and the fitter even cut some of the foam at the big to on my left foot leaving the heat insulation material there only and taped over it to make it water proof as they where rubbing again my right big toe. From your video my feet seem to be between top end of medium to a little wide with a high arc. I have no sticking out areas on my feet but my foot shape going out wider in the middle as it is very fleshy and then come in again a bit at the little toe. My little toe and right side goes num after a while as it it being pressed in.
Would it be safe to heat them up again and remode with extra foam bits attached to my toes at these area. I have concerns the cut the fitter did might cause the liner to tear. The toe shape of the liner is also a lot more pointed than my toe foot shape and that might explain why my bog toe and little toe is under pressure. Is this common?
When I wear the customer beds outside of the liner they are a lot more comfortable but in the liner the arch supports press into my arch nearer to my heal causing pain.
+Wilson Campbell
Hi Mate, It may be possible to gain some relief by heat molding with foam pads. But by what you describe it sounds to me like you may need to look closer at your boots shell. Cutting the liners is rarely a good solution and it will weaken the liner. Maybe target the narrow toebox directly with a bit of manual manipulation! :) But more likely the solution sounds to be a width stretch and the footbed to be modified or replaced. Cheers
Hi, love your videos! I have a question about my boots... I just got a new pair of Lange RX 130s LV (97mm last) and when I'm standing on flat ground it feels as if I have to angle my legs outward slightly to have my boot be totally flat and stable on the ground. It's almost like the inside side of my foot and ankle is slightly higher up than the outside. If that makes sense, is that something I should be trying to fix and any tips on how to do that? Thanks
Hi Rayyan, Yeah the first thing you should take a look at is your cuff alignment. It sounds like that could possibly be the cause for kicking you out and not being able to stay flat.
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I'm a lit confused about my feet..my feet are 25,6 cm long BUT 104 mm wide. I bought a 26,5 boot at 101mm last..it fits very well i don't have any movement and i can say the width is perfect... I am worrying about that the 25,5 will have for sure a pressure point at the beginning but after a few days or a heat mold will be perfect?? I still want to ski it one day to feel how it feels at the end of the day...but do you think it's okay i sized up or the width at 25,5 will be ok? Thanks!!
Yeah the next shell size up will allow the extra width you require nicely. :) I don't think its worth stressing too much about. If the fit looks and feels goos and your feet aren't sliding forward (toe bang/shin bang) then there is not issue. I would only recommend going down the size if you were looking to get a very precise, high performance fit. It would likely require boot fitting work to get them right however.
Your best bet is to ski and see what works best for you, but you are for sure still in the parameters! Enjoy the turns. :)
hey Craig, a couple of days ago i went and bought brand new skiing boots (brand: dalbello) and after taking it on my first skiing ride this season (saturday) i noticed after 2-3 hours in, maybe less that i felt this severe pain in the instep area of my boot. I can almost not walk in them and most defnitely not ski in them due to the pain i am feeling. I tried following your steps on holding it tight in that area to lock it into place and kick down to get my heel further back and everything, even tried flexing it alot, but nothing seems to be helping. ( I didn't feel any pain when I was trying the boot, it felt totally right and comfortable for my foot and it is my size in length) Just wanted to see if you could help me solve this problem, and appreciate the help!
HI Christian, hard for me to diagnose for sure without seeing your feet, but first instinct is that it is compressing the top of your foot too much. If you get a chance, put the boots on for 15-20 mins, even at home and see there is any irritation or redness to this area once you take your socks off. It would also be worthwhile to do a shell check to see what the space looks like. I do have some videos that will show you how to run through this. If you can check these two things and let me know, we might be able to narrow down the solution. Cheers
@@PatriotFootbeds I understand, alright I will try this when i get a chance maybe tonight and i will let you know. thanks
My boots are so tight I almost passed out! When I take the liners out and just put those on my toes are jammed against the front of the liner. I’m assuming my boots are too small? Do I have to buy new ones?
If they are new boots, it might still be ok and you need to get the liners to bed in and relax.
If you get a chance, to check your sizing, you will want to reference your shell sizing more than the liner. Check out my videos on Shell Fitting and you can be sure on the size.
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Hey Craig, have a ?....had meniscus surgery few years back....Dr informed me my right leg is a bit longer ( about a 1/4 inch )than the left.....my new boots have a heel inclination adjustment....does it make sense to lower the heel of the short leg to give a more nuetral stance.....thank you....
Hey Joe, It will really depend on what best keeps the pressures off your knee. With other people with one leg shorter, I have done adjustments to bring the heel and foot heights back to even and balanced.(ie Volume Reducer or boot board grinding) But yeah the quick incline adjustment will let you experiment to see if it makes a positive difference. I would expect that lowering it may help with knee pressure, but you would have to see how much it will affect balance and skiing technique with 2 different ramp angles. Would love to hear how it goes!
thanks brother, will do....watching OFF THE GRID....for the 1000x....love this movie....weather's got me feel'en it....can't wait to click in....peace...Max the dog says hey......
Ha, awesome mate! Dont worry, youll be ripping turns before you know it! The last stretch is always the worst.
What up Max.
Morning Craig....you got that right...2 months till snow (hopefully in the east) & .leave for Telluride in 127 days....hope to see you out on the slopes some day.....buy you a beer for all your advice.....later
Should your toe touch the front when you lean forward or should it come off completely?
Usually feeling your toe still at the front is good as It is usually just liner contact. If you have space, that is when you can slide forwarrd and bang up your toes. To really assess your sizing, check out my video on 'Shell Fitting" :)
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I can’t flex cause I have shin bang from last year
Damn thats a long time! Hope it starts to feel better!
Hey man, what is the solution for feet sliding fore-aft when flexing the boots? Thanks
Hi Freddie,
Footbed first. Then possible tongue shim. Then possibly go down a size in boot.
Cheers :)
Patriot Footbeds Whoa, you rock! I don't think shim is an option because I have a really hard time closing the upper two buckles. Footbed is on my list for this year definitely. Thanks for the quick response. Cheers
No worries. :)
custom footbeds are a hype, not worth the $. try some Dr. Scholls 1st
Try some Patriot Footbeds! Next level from a plain scholls insole. :)
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