07.22.14. Disappearing Dialect Calls Small Missouri Town Home
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2014
- OLD MINES, Mo. -- Paw Paw French is one of the oldest French dialects that originated in the United States. At its peak, hundreds of thousands of people in Eastern Missouri spoke Paw Paw French. But now, there's only a handful of people remaining who speak it.
A dialect that dies is a loss for all humanity … always.
New ones will be created.
@@sirmount2636 A dialect is not for practical trading only …
Words and how they adept together is a vision of the world. It is a culture.
A dialect that dies is a culture that vanishes from the face of the earth.
I welcome new dialects and cultures… I mourn as much those who disappear …
Dead alongside its black face culture.
@@vincent7520 Fantastic sentiment! I couldnt have said it better, nor could i agree more!
@@hopebrown728 But at least it gives you something to b*tch about! This must make you SO VERY HAPPY! Is there a another possible reason for something other than racism why they have their faces painted black for a photo (Occam's Razor; the simplest answer is often the correct one). Perhaps they were taking a photo during a time when photo taking wasnt as quick & easy as it is now? Perhaps they wore make up to get the point across they were miners without having to wear dirty, nasty clothes while they sat for the photo shoot? perhaps you could look into the culture of photo-taking during that time period, especially the photos of the dead, to prove that I am not 'spinning a yarn' but trying to inform you, so you wont take this personally, because it wast being done to offend nor mock black people?
J'ai habité à St.-Louis, MO depuis sept ans mais je ne connaisais pas qu'il y a des gens qui parle le français ! On doit préserver la langue !
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Et si c'était toi qui commençais ? Et les accords, ça y va ! tes verbes, ton orthographe est atroce !
I am a Missourian from St. Louis, I have such a love for this!
I grew up speaking Louisiana French! Many people don't realize it but there's almost more French varieties than English. Many of them are dying dialects. In America alone we have New England French, Louisiana French and Missouri French all in a English speaking country. Canada had Newfoundland French, Acadian French, Chiac French, Quebec French, and Ontario French.
and even within quebec and ontario, and other provinces, there’s different dialects too! the amount of variety in french is insane
They need to come to my home town of Cole Camp, MO and do a segment on "Cole Camp Platt" before all the old timers die (a subdialect of Low German spoken by those who founded / settled this town).
GreenEyed Devil that dailect needs preserved like any other dialects that exist
so they continue to exist
I think its because English is the state official language mainly and no body wants to speak anything but English
Robert Cove and Mowata Louisiana still speak Low dialect of German. They call it Platts.
Macasis kaishak naw people are lazy and don’t know about it. It’s just a thing that “older people” do. It’s sad especially when you see people celebrating the heritage without actively looking for the realness...
@@macasiskaishak2808 the us gov is the one to blame. They punished verbally, and physically francophone kids in school,
The gov was very hostile towards french in the midwest
And spanish in the southwest(new spain dialects are almost extinct) very diferent from mexican spanish
Italian in north east... Etc...
i drive through cole camp all the time, neat little town ,especially at Christmas
I learned Metropolitan French because that's what they teach in schools in the United States, even in places that have not traditionally spoken it like Louisiana they are now teaching Metropolitan French. I don't so much have a problem with them teaching a standardized dialect but I think it useful to know other dialects too and I feel like relegating these lesser-known dialects to a second-class place in a country where they're already a minority language is not conducive to our culture. America is a mixed culture we are mixed race, mixed ethnicity, mixed language and I think active discrimination in dissuasion of the usage of these languages has contributed to their deterioration and near death. I am not going to fault the woman who taught me French since she would have not known this dialect to begin with but I will fault the governments that actively discriminated against its use I will fault the parents for not teaching their children, and I will fault myself for not doing more to save it
In France Parisian is the standard. But, just like old French in the USA there were many dialects in France. There still is.
@@coeurdelion1193 France has a terrible history of suppressing linguistic diversity.
@@timothychatman4014 You can thank the Republican revolution and what came after for it
@@HF06 Not really! The Democrats were perfectly fine with it as well. Nationalism and national unity was a hot topic both in the US and many many other westernized nations. It was the preferred method of the time to unify a dis unified mass of divergent people. So in hindsight we can see the troubles its caused, i doubt they had adequate foresight to know it wasnt necessary in the first place.
You do realize that this is neither a language nor a dialect right? it is an aberration; just some uneducated persons who never learnt how to speak properly created their own words - this would get an F in schools in Paris and it needs to go extinct so children can learn the proper language not this nonsense
I've been wanting to learn Paw Paw French, because we live in an area where it once spoken
Why? that's like saying you're dying to learn that 2 + 2 = 5 same difference ! learn the proper language this is completely useless and a disgrace to France.
My great grandmother on my mother's side is pawpaw french from Missouri I remember growing up hearing that not knowing what it was I know french but very few words in the pawpaw dialect
@1:23"... fading into existence." I like that.
Mystgate English has dialects....
Yes, the irony of it!😉
@@georgiapeach7666 why
Losing a language is always a sad event. Missouri has a pecular history and I remember hearing about this when growing up in St. Louis. Recently I've been looking more into this and the deutsch I learned from my father and my grandfather. Central Missouri had it's own dialect of Deutsch too. Unfortunately, and understandable, speaking deutsch became troubing from 1914 onward. Still though, I keep many phrases to memory. Reminds me of home.
Few of us still speak Pläatdeutsch
A language's death is an infinite tragedy, for all the human race.
It’s a dialect more than an actual language. Sleep easy French is one of the most spoken languages on the planet.
So sad.
Im a French native speaker and i understand everything they say
When I watch videos like this one, I feel very lucky to live in Québec, where for historical reasons French is still very well alive!
But you know many people from France say your French is not actually French, right?
That's ok. Quebec doesn't think Parisian French is French either.
@@reddtraining I am french and don't think Quebecois is not french. Dave doesn't speak on my behalf ;-)
@@reddtraining exactement ta tout dit !!
@@davejones5747 quels crétins peuvent penser cela ? Les québécois en font plus pour notre langue que nous-mêmes
we need this to be taught in in public schools here Missouri
In pretty much québécois french. Come to Québec and you'll hear it.
Really? The future job market is going to be INCREDIBLY competitive. In order to rais oneself into the middle class one is going to have to make oneself attractive to employers. Mandarin, business and finance qualifications should take priority over an old dialect of a not particularly employable language.
Perhaps you are due to inherit land and therefore enjoy such luxuries?
@@ghertyuifgerty1458 humanity existed before and will continue to exist after modern economics. Bilingualism actually has been proven to strengthen cognitive capacity which has broad applications for every other area of one's life. Education solely for employment is a sore mentality. Adequately funded and prioritized education could include language as well as 'more employable' subjects both, it doesn't have to be an either-or thing.
@@ghertyuifgerty1458 Yes, really. Society and the economy is global, and the future will be even more so. Elite Americans learn other languages already. Average people are being left behind.
I Gotta Give the Amish an edge on this one now if you're wondering what this has to do with the Amish think about it the Amish because of their type of Lifestyle have preserved a very old dialect of low German
Having a secure social context where the language is spoken is key to preserving them, good on the Amish! Some of my ancestors were from their cousins in Pennsylvania, the Fancy "Dutch"
I don't think that many Amish speak a low German dialect. It's more High German, Oberdeutsch, as spoken in Southwestern Germany and Switzerland. But many Mennonites speak a Low German dialect.
The pressure that many Americans have placed on immigrants to speak "English Only" has caused Paw Paw French and many other unique dialects of foreign languages to vanish.
Fading into existence? Really? Nobody noticed that before broadcasting?
Maybe that's what she meant about French being funnier than English.
J'habite aux États-Unis à Missouri
même! cependant, je parle le français mal.
Je suis Québécoise ! Puis-je vous faire signe si je voyage dans votre état ?!
@@lukegaming86 nah you're alright just a couple of mistakes: you'd say "pareil" to say same. And then you'd say je parle mal le français. Like no biggie I swear, most people can't even say that 😉
Contact www.creolefiddle.com/. He teaches Paw Paw French at a community college, and the course may be online this summer. I already have been in contact with him.
@@timothychatman4014!!
interesting this paw paw french; I'm going to have a student who's learning paw paw french so I was just curious about the language; It sounds Québécois to me, but I know little of Québec so sorry if I offend anybody.
it is indeed very similar
It has the same pronounciation, ex: in the video words were written by sounds so "touè, dzit, ch'veux, etc." is close to how Québécois would prononce the words "toi, dit, cheveux, etc." but the accent is totally different. The Paw Paw French is clearly more influenced by English and maybe some Native-American languages.
It is not at all similar to french spoken in Quebec. It's like saying that Appalachian dialect sounds like american english. I have great respect and admiration for franco americans and their struggle for the survival of their language but what I'm hearing here is a dialect once spoken by hard working and brave men and women but who were mostly ununeducated . I remember reading an article about Cajun people in Louisianna who didn't want French teachers from Quebec because it was too remote from their accent and vocabulary. They prefered instead half assimilated Acadian teachers (from New Brunswick ). Made me think of the fable of the blind man who guides the paralytic.
There are many similarities...I meet with a Quebecois language group on Tuesdays and speak via skype with some Paw Paw speakers frequently...Phonetically there is a lot of similarities. The settlers in the region came from Quebec with only very few exceptions. The Dz Ts sound before I and U is an example or the Tje Kje sound, Pronouncing re as eur, or the sound that kind of sounds like law would in english...Also the way some words get contracted....It is hella similar.
I guess take me to the morgue said most of what I said already with different words....I just saw AndreSHadow2's comment and wanted to offer an explanation.
Got more info from the fleeting bits of texts linking them to La. French than the actual speakers, but I did hear that their accent resembles Cajun. As for the Cajun kinship with the texts, I see written 'dzu' "of the", 'alle' "she"('a' before a consonant), which is the nominative of 'elle' "her", 'I dzit' "he says", 'eurvenu' (should be written 'ervenu') "is back", returned", 'a s'a tannée' "she got bored", 'pis' "then", Old French variant 'sus' "on", 'partsi' "left, departed", 'icitte' "here". More examples could be cited, but I'll bet nobody here in Louisiana would have thought them other than their neighbors.
quelle tristesse ☹☹
@@juanpelais4446 i know this is an old post but if you see this, my famiily was originally from quebec, we spoke paw paw french till the 40s. we settled the illinois side of the Mississippi river after leaving st. louis, some of my people are buried in the old cathedral there. my great something grandfather owned the trading post that sold all the provisions to lewis and clarke. i'm named from him, in fact.
@@mrstryfe GREAT !! so you got french origin.. if France did not sell his territory in north america in 1763 ( coast of texas, Louisiana, Indiana, Missouri, Illinois, vermont.........almost all the americans would have french as native language...😥😥
@@juanpelais4446 I would not have a problem with this. My grandfather had lost most of his french by the 90s but still swore sometimes. :)
Some people still speak like that in rural Québec.
Very French influences here in sw Wisconsin too. Many surnames are French still.
Pour ne pas oublier que l'Amérique est avant tout française.
WHY WERE THEY ALL IN BLACKFACE I-
They were in a mine covered in soot and dust.
The fuck does that retarded "I-" thing mean?
@@MassachusettsTrainVideos1136 but their clothes aren't dirty. Try again.
@@SoRAustin It doesnt matter! They were miners, and a feature of miners were they had black faces from working around coal. They werent as easily triggered about superficial things as our modern woke crowd has become! They took photos that took time to develop, so although they were clean and not just come from work, they wore a costume to show they were miners (make up). People who work in front of cameras on tv wear a lot of make up, perhaps you should complain about them. or women wear a lot of make up to enhance their facial beauty, perhaps you should complain about false advertising? Dont you have anything productive to do with yourself than to seek being offended?
@@inconnu4961 you can tell yourself whatever you want. I am not offended or “woke”, I am nearly 60 years old.
My Grandmother and father spoke paw paw French. I’m sorry I never got to learn
Pretty sure this is just a very slight variation of some patois you can find in villages in France today still (any metropolitan French can perfectly read and understand the page at 1:25)
It's a loss, but not a huge one...
It's closer to academic French than most patois. Like a frog is grenouille in French, guernouille in PawPaw and garnoule in my patois
@@Emeric62 Except patois in France can really vary from place to place, no? The collection of langues d'oïl in France's northern half alone can really vary a lot, like from Poitevin variants to Franc-Comptois or Picard variants to Bourguignon.
It's sort of ironic that the French were the least racially targeted 'Latins', and therefore allowed to disappear the fastest.
This is sort of true!The french & English have had a multi millennial rivalry with each other. So they did try to eradicate each others influences in places they competed for when they could. Up until the late 1800's, race wasnt defined merely as skin color pigmentation. They used to define the French & English as 'races' of people' among others: the Germans & Russians. So racism had a much broader connotation in the past, than it does in our 'dumbed down' present state. French language was actively suppressed in the US until the 1960s as a way to promote national cohesion, in the face of waves upon waves of immigrants whose loyalties were often doubted, and many times with good reason.
*We are NOT Latins* dumbass! our language is Latin based, huge difference! We are Gauls, Celts and Franks! learn it well you wannabe pedantic genius!
Where does this documentary take place?
Documentary?
Jack Romano I know what you mean but documentary is not the right word for it in American English. In the town of Old Mines, Missouri of course
1:05 wtf 😬 why did they show this photo.
en lisant le texte la belle margr'ite. je pouvais tout comprendre. on voit bien L'influence canadienne française. par exemple ervirer de bord, veut dire se retourner, ou revirer de bord, en vieux français. Très facile a comprendre, c'est très phonétique.
KOLR 10 SPRINGFIELD
1:29 Paw Paw French is now fading into existence? Huh?
Unfortunately I think French speakers everywhere have a tendency to crystallise their own language/patois, so they have a weak support network compared to Anglophones who are very open to US/UK/Australian/South African mutual influences. For example just 100 years ago, almost everyone on the Channel Islands (between Britain and France) spoke a French dialect, but without any outside French support it was easily replaced by English in barely 30 years.
Internet and Globalization did that.
This should be revived like New England French
Absolutely! But the benefit for New England francophones is a refreshing of the blood when newer French speakers migrate in. I doubt that happens in Missouri anymore, so it fades in to history.
What makes New England French easier to revive itself is the it is very close to Québec or New Brunswick French which are both next door
Any notice the black face group photo @1:05?
Zachary Linhares yeah wtf was that I was wondering why nobody has said anything
They work the mines. You’re bound to get dirty 🤷🏻♂️
@@Local_gal123abc And they were coal miners.
Are you a fucking idiot? They were in a fucking mine and got covered in dirt.
To the defenders: why aren't their clothes dirty?
I am French Canadian. Written Paw Paw is very understandable,...looks like Quebecois French, almost identical!......Spoken Paw Paw is very weak, sorry to say...
Unfortunately, but its NICE to hear French spoken in the US, as i sense a bit of Francophobia in the US from time to time.
No you are not there is no such thing you are Quebecoise and you have nothing to do with us REAL French! So use the proper words because you are hardly Francophone; your bastardization of our language is a disgrace, just as much as these people's! I will never understand why you insist on sounding so ridiculously nasal and then can switch to American English and not have any nasal tones to yourselves. This is pure laziness on your part, to not be willing to speak properly when your people evidently can, and there is no reason for that.
A little?@@inconnu4961 BAHAHAHAHA! leur jalousy est extreme !
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1:05
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1:06 r they in blackface?
Probably lead miners.
People spent more time outside back then so their skin was a little darker.
They were visiting an ink factory and it blew up.
I SCREAMED when I saw that omg
@@nuhaomar9542 they're miners dumbfuck
Gratuitous blackface group photo I was going huh?
Dumbass
that random fucking blackface photo lol
Have you heard of the dirt in the mines?
Looks more like plain French than a dialect...
Ça bokou intéréte! Mo linmè yè françe!
peep that blackface tho
Karen Nerak that’s what happens when you work mines 🤷🏻♂️
Are you an idiot? The news wouldn't put a picture of that on tv they are miners.
so what. I like to paint my face like a chimp too.
What's up with all the dudes in black face?
they worked in mines dudes! Get over it
Cool can't wait to speak Ong Ong in fucking Missouri. Please Europe conquer us.
Already done
C’est de valeur.
1:04 BLACKFACE HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
They are miners fucktard.
why would someone keep & display photos of their ancestors in blackface?? ugh
because some cultures aren't full of Social Justice Warriors especially from many years ago when times were different. Sad that idiots like you get triggered over someone elses keepsake from their own history. Im sure your safe space will protect you from these microagressions so I trust your nerves have calmed by now. Fucking idiot.
Typical Trump-kiddo. You'll understand someday.
Crafty Veteran blackface anything is not a "keepsake" of anything other than our country's racist history. Also please note that I refrained from calling other people "fucking idiots" in my post, even though I disagree with them. Thanks :)
as you should. We are all products of circumstance and your grandfather may have been a good man, but being a Nazi is not something to be proud of. BTW using violent language e.g. "choke yourself" constitutes harassment and you've been flagged.
I'm pretty sure that isn't "black face" but soot or something.