Brexit: Tearing the Tories Apart?

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  • Опубликовано: 31 окт 2019
  • Ken Clarke and Iain Duncan Smith, two of the most senior, long standing members of the Tory Party, discuss the state of the Conservatives.
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    Clarke had the whip withdrawn in September after he voted against the government.
    A passionate opponent of Brexit and a life-long Europhile Clarke discusses how Brexit and Europe is eating away at his party with his long-standing colleague and former Conservative leader Iain Duncan Smith - a vocal proponent of leaving the EU.
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Комментарии • 571

  • @TomPolymathPR
    @TomPolymathPR 4 года назад +120

    "Brexit: Tearing The Tories Apart"
    Me "Good"

    • @CashelOConnolly
      @CashelOConnolly 4 года назад +9

      pammens miss me! I’m a remainer but even with Labour’s confusing policy on Europe I’ll still vote for them as they’ve got the best domestic policies. The LibDems are nothing more than Tories

    • @Same--xb3rb
      @Same--xb3rb 4 года назад +4

      May be tearing the corrupt Tory politicians but not the people who voted BREXIT

    • @graceomalley4
      @graceomalley4 4 года назад

      Tom Brumpton unfortunately tearing Labour apart too.

    • @cesarchavez6614
      @cesarchavez6614 4 года назад +8

      @pammens miss
      I'm not being torn apart by brexit. I've always thought it was going to be a disaster and that ordinary people would be the ones to suffer the most!
      Brexit will be great for the rich. But the rest of us will go down the pan.

    • @Seerwealth
      @Seerwealth 4 года назад +1

      Why not abolish totally?

  • @robertmarsh6673
    @robertmarsh6673 4 года назад +92

    I'll settle for the Tories being completely and totally destroyed forever.

    • @thomasbisschoff7136
      @thomasbisschoff7136 4 года назад +4

      Not going to happen! Tories will win the election!

    • @CashelOConnolly
      @CashelOConnolly 4 года назад +2

      ChristianPatriarchy you mean like the disgusting Nazi party did in 1933

    • @MrYorickJenkins
      @MrYorickJenkins 4 года назад

      Niot an overwhelmingly insightful comment but very well, tell us what should replace them

    • @CashelOConnolly
      @CashelOConnolly 4 года назад +1

      Yorick Jenkins a true Labour Party like Corbyn is offering. My point does add something Nationalism is dangerous is it the killer of minorities and democracy. We saw it with `Franco,Pinochet and Hitler (Hitler who used the word ‘Socialist to gain votes as Socialism was popular in Germany at the time in the 1933 election ,whilst despising Socialism
      I won’t read your rabid nationalistic reply so don’t bother having a go at views. My point does add something Nationalism is dangerous is it the killer of minorities and democracy

    • @CashelOConnolly
      @CashelOConnolly 4 года назад

      Thomas Bisschoff no they want,we’ll get a hung parliament

  • @propjoe1060
    @propjoe1060 4 года назад +108

    Ken Clarke is a gent. Agree with him or not, at least he's got principles in terms of what he believes in. Wish him a happy retirement.

    • @Wichnam
      @Wichnam 4 года назад +2

      @Steven Austin What OP means that this person stands for his believes and ideals and unlike Johnson doesn't alter every five minutes.
      A person that dares to change their opinion and view due to being proven different is respectable… A man who does it just for political gains and ego is bad.

    • @propjoe1060
      @propjoe1060 4 года назад +4

      @Repulse theMonkey you know that Clarke voted for brexit more times than Johnson has, right? And voted for a better deal than the one currently negotiated by Johnson, who laughed at that one? Try to educate yourself before making a fool of yourself on the internet.

    • @yoshireincarnate1649
      @yoshireincarnate1649 4 года назад +2

      hes not perfect but hes twice the man IDS is. compare their body languages and the fact IDS wont even do him the dignity of looking at him whilst hes listening to him. speaks volumes.

    • @weegieboard8432
      @weegieboard8432 4 года назад

      nah, dude's a ballgina

    • @tomlebomb
      @tomlebomb 4 года назад +1

      I'm a Labour party member and think he's great. Disagree with much of his politics but he's not partizan, he's good humoured and does talk of a lot of good common sense.
      Was also right on Iraq and Europe.

  • @ThePereubu1710
    @ThePereubu1710 4 года назад +5

    I never liked IDS and that interview did nothing to change my view.

  • @fenderblues1744
    @fenderblues1744 4 года назад +10

    The Tory Party is finished.

    • @karmabomb3768
      @karmabomb3768 4 года назад +1

      I hope so but they now have the dumbest working class electorate in Europe actually supporting them. A totally depressing state of affairs. It's Britain that's finished, not the English Tory Brexit party.

    • @JohnSmith-wg6nt
      @JohnSmith-wg6nt 4 года назад +1

      This aged like a fine wine

  • @harsanders7425
    @harsanders7425 4 года назад +60

    I really enjoy these videos, with 2 people who fundamentally disagree on a variety of issues are able to sit and talk things through and be reasonable. Far far too many are unable to do this.

    • @BobAg_
      @BobAg_ 4 года назад +7

      Agreed. Can you imagine Jo Swinson and Jeremy Corbyn, or Jo Swinson and Ian Blackford, or Jo Swinson and anybody...

    • @harsanders7425
      @harsanders7425 4 года назад +1

      Darren Stott I don’t tend to agree with Ken or IDS on much, besides how they voted for the Boris’ Withdrawal Agreement, but it’s enjoyable to see two grown up politicians.

    • @everready2903
      @everready2903 4 года назад

      @@BobAg_ Orderrrrrrr!!!!

    • @adhavn5540
      @adhavn5540 4 года назад +1

      Yes, agree. And people, sitting on the same sofa, next to each other, has a big impact, actually. Should be used more often in other fora.

    • @harsanders7425
      @harsanders7425 4 года назад

      Ad Havn Think you’ve got a point there. Atmosphere of the debate is helped by the two being able to sit comfortable as they like

  • @ep4360
    @ep4360 4 года назад +7

    Tories out. Labour in.

    • @purplerings1969
      @purplerings1969 4 года назад +2

      @actnowone you must be on drugs to want the same party to be in power again after all the rubbish in past decade

    • @ep4360
      @ep4360 4 года назад

      @actnowone I will happily take Emily and Diane over Rees Mogg and Patel so there!

  • @olliedylan1381
    @olliedylan1381 4 года назад +12

    See, the Tories want independence from the EU but they’ve got shares in EU companies so they’re stuck in this position where they need to leave but they don’t want to.

    • @olliedylan1381
      @olliedylan1381 4 года назад +1

      Steven Austin no, but if you’ve got an ongoing profit from a EU-based business, why would you want to sever those ties?

    • @olliedylan1381
      @olliedylan1381 4 года назад +1

      Steven Austin Because if I was a big EU company and I saw Jacob Rees-Mogg, who has shares in my company, screaming about how bad the EU is, I wouldn’t want to associate with him...?
      I never said they needed to server ties. My point is, the Tories need to leave the EU because that’s what the vote says, democracy is democracy, but they don’t *want* to leave because they have shares in companies that are in the EU. They will seem like hypocrites if they disprove of the EU but still profit by it

    • @olliedylan1381
      @olliedylan1381 4 года назад +1

      Steven Austin Listen boomer, you call me captain obvious yet you fail to see my point. Their shares are not irrelevant at all. Let me spell it out for you because it’s clearly a hard concept for you to grasp:
      The Tories must force the leave of the EU because that’s what the majority of the UK want - according to the referendum. However, when the PM puts forward a deal, it is often rejected by the party. This is because many Tory politicians have shares in EU companies. The Tory motive is to show that the UK is better off without the EU - yet the very same politicians are benefiting from the EU. Therefore they look like hypocrites. They are thriving from the very thing they are telling us is bad. So that brings us back to my original point: they are between a rock and a hard place. They have to leave, but they don’t want to

    • @olliedylan1381
      @olliedylan1381 4 года назад

      swansea007791 Again, I never said that. I’m sure it’s a struggle, but how about you try to read through my previous comments.

  • @rogervanreijcke2003
    @rogervanreijcke2003 4 года назад +20

    *They will face a humiliating defeat*

    • @thomasbisschoff7136
      @thomasbisschoff7136 4 года назад

      Who are they?

    • @thomasbisschoff7136
      @thomasbisschoff7136 4 года назад +1

      @@ChristianPatriarchy you are right then - sorry for the misunderstanding. The Tories will win the election!

    • @pr4442
      @pr4442 4 года назад

      I think there will be a hung parliament again. Many zealots blame parliament for not delivering Brexit but they conveniently forget that there was a huge campaign and activism to produce a hung parliament. Many people voted tactically in 2017 (in many respects it was the first tactical election). This will happen again, in my view. I think it is likely you will get at least 100 seats with smaller parties (52 to SNP, 40 something to LD and 10 to Greens, PC and Indies). This will automatically produce a hung parliament. I think Labour and Tories will be more or less level pegging with Tories a few seats in the lead, but they will not be able to form a government because the DUP now acknowledge that Brexit basically means the decline of the Union. I think a left-of-centre coalition will form , Corbyn will be gone (thankfully and at long last) and Kier S will be in charge and the coalition will be in power for 1 year whilst a second ref comes into play. I think remain will comfortable win that ref by over 60% and then there will be another election in Spring 2001 where Labour under Kier S will get a majority and start to fix austerity Britain.

    • @thomasbisschoff7136
      @thomasbisschoff7136 4 года назад +1

      @@pr4442 good analysis!

    • @sparkspark833
      @sparkspark833 4 года назад

      malcolm watson Do we not live in a class society?

  • @vebjorngrytten7629
    @vebjorngrytten7629 4 года назад +16

    never promise something you can't guarantee Bojo. And now we should trust your so-called great new deal. Yeah right :)

    • @denproudley7316
      @denproudley7316 4 года назад +1

      Vebjorn Grytten head of nato selling bombs to Saudis to coause genocide on yea men children old and hospitals none elected prime minister with insufficient numbers to form a gov with mass resignations come on uk wake up

  • @hopethisworks1212
    @hopethisworks1212 4 года назад +28

    As far as credibility goes, it doesn't help if your leader is a proven liar.

    • @oafpolitics179
      @oafpolitics179 4 года назад +1

      What if he is a supports all the enemies of the country over the nation itself?
      All politicians are liars. All cheat. It goes with the personality type needed for that job.

    • @hopethisworks1212
      @hopethisworks1212 4 года назад

      @@oafpolitics179 I rest my case

    • @oafpolitics179
      @oafpolitics179 4 года назад +2

      @@hopethisworks1212 Seems to me if all politicians are liars, then it isn't really an argument to say one or other of them are liars to convince people vote for one or other of them. It is a pointless case to make politically.
      Try policy.

    • @hopethisworks1212
      @hopethisworks1212 4 года назад +3

      @@oafpolitics179 What stupid attempt at a cohesive argument. Johnson has been shown to be a liar many times. If he states what his policy is, how do you know he is not lying to YOU! Show me an example of Corbyn lying if you have the concentration span to look for that long.

    • @chipko
      @chipko 4 года назад +1

      @@hopethisworks1212 Johnson has lied more than most. I wish Iain wasnt in this interview. He has no credibility anymore

  • @anthonyedwards7019
    @anthonyedwards7019 4 года назад +5

    There is a saying........People who can....DO, people who cannot .......Teach, .....and people who cannot teach.....become POLITICIANS

    • @everready2903
      @everready2903 4 года назад +1

      What if you can't be a politician? 🤦‍♂️

  • @DaveGDangerous
    @DaveGDangerous 4 года назад +39

    I can’t stop looking at Ken’s meat and potatoes.

    • @patrickrossi1754
      @patrickrossi1754 4 года назад +5

      He's packing. I am a woman btw, logged in on my husband's account.

    • @billyray1172
      @billyray1172 4 года назад +1

      @@patrickrossi1754 yeh yeh

    • @lauralishes1
      @lauralishes1 4 года назад +1

      More like fat.

    • @Seerwealth
      @Seerwealth 4 года назад +2

      Also lack of vibes. Dying dinosaurs. Should be on green pasture for few years.

    • @hamishsomerville4064
      @hamishsomerville4064 4 года назад +1

      More like a HERNIA

  • @keithtpc1508
    @keithtpc1508 4 года назад +34

    The Tories can't win without the Brexit Party and Boris will soon know if he doesnt already.

    • @cesarchavez6614
      @cesarchavez6614 4 года назад +1

      He's doing a deal with UKIP.😂😂😂

    • @keithtpc1508
      @keithtpc1508 4 года назад +1

      @@cesarchavez6614 Wait and see !!!!!!!!!! Boris's ego will give us real Brexit and Farage will deliver the killer blow to the Remainers.

    • @tonycook7679
      @tonycook7679 4 года назад

      Cummings despises Farage, and for good reason. Cummings is an intellectual first and foremost and Farage's lack of any intellectual rigour or coherent and comprehensive world view renders him beyond consideration, a simpleton. This view of Farage is indisputably correct and as long as Cummings is pulling Boris's strings Boris will not go anywhere near him. There will be no rapprochement with the ERG or UKIP, see if I am wrong.

    • @phonicwheel933
      @phonicwheel933 4 года назад +2

      @Keith TPC
      said:
      _The Tories can't win [the 12th December general election] without the Brexit Party, and Boris will soon know if he doesn't already._
      It is very likely, going by the polls, that the Conservatives would win the general election, KTPC. The issue is, would they be a hung parliament: is that what you mean?

    • @anothercynicalbrit6451
      @anothercynicalbrit6451 4 года назад +1

      @@phonicwheel933 And the polls have been consistently wrong about everything for a very long time, they were completely wrong about the eu elections just a year ago. I don't support either but polls are just an establishment tool used to dissuade voters and anyone who thinks they are accurate is in for a very big shock. Chances of Donald trump being elected, polls said 5 percent. chance of a tory majority last election, polls said 85 percent, all wrong. Polls are useless.

  • @doghouseclassics6835
    @doghouseclassics6835 4 года назад +5

    The Tories sold out this country in1972 and ken clark wants to praise tedd heath. .

  • @Ohnoitsbuggerednow
    @Ohnoitsbuggerednow 4 года назад +7

    We're bored now . THE GOVERNMENT THAT CRIED WOLF

  • @heliotropezzz333
    @heliotropezzz333 4 года назад +33

    It's basically going to be do you want the European model of society or the American one, - bearing in mind that workers in America are far more pressurised with fewer rights and haven't had a pay rise in real terms since the 1970s and the gap between richer and poorer there gets ever larger. Education is extremely expensive and so is healthcare. The Tories in Britain have been pushing us more towards this model with their privatisations etc. Jeremy Corbyn wants to reverse some of that and most of the press, run by rich Tory supporting men, have been bashing him non stop for fear he'll succeed. Notice that when IDS speaks Ken Clark listens and looks interested, whereas when Ken Clark speaks IDS looks like someone pressed his 'standby' mode button. Nothing fazes Ken Clark. IDS has faced some 'fazers on stun' it seems.

    • @obsidianau
      @obsidianau 4 года назад

      One of the most enjoyable and inciteful interviews in recent years - with tw respected and eloquent politicians expressing their candid judgement. Best wishes to you Ken and thanks for your public service

    • @greeny202ab
      @greeny202ab 4 года назад +3

      NO! We want the BRITISH MODEL!!!! It is the most successful model of all time and we have absolutely no need to change it to belong to a ridiculous political union!

    • @seriousmaran9414
      @seriousmaran9414 4 года назад +4

      @@greeny202ab obviously you are suffering from denial of the facts. The world has moved on from Great Britain and if the Brexiteers don't move on too you will end up with Pariah Little England next state of the USA.

    • @greeny202ab
      @greeny202ab 4 года назад +3

      @@seriousmaran9414 The world has moved on from regional joint government blocs and has become much more globalized. We no longer need the 1950's style EU and if they do not move into the present the rest of the world world will leave them behind.
      In ten years time the UK will be a global economic powerhouse as the gateway between the EU, the US and the British Commonwealth.

    • @seriousmaran9414
      @seriousmaran9414 4 года назад +2

      @@greeny202ab wrong, all countries are heading into trade pacts, even the USA with Canada and Mexico.
      There are no countries who only use WTO rules trading and Britain is already contested there. E
      We no deal leave with Northern Ireland we break the GFA, and potentially get unlimited tariffs on our exports.

  • @MrThomBeck
    @MrThomBeck 4 года назад +3

    “I think 6 weeks is too long for an election.”
    Meanwhile in the U.S., we’re 50 weeks into an election that’s 50 weeks away.

  • @khurmiful
    @khurmiful 4 года назад +6

    I wonder what the future holds if the traditional ruling party of the last half a century wants a deal like no deal Brexit.

  • @sgw8903
    @sgw8903 4 года назад +13

    Ask IDS how many lives his policies have destroyed and blighted.
    He has the numbers.

    • @karmabomb3768
      @karmabomb3768 4 года назад

      Does he care though? The Tories are bone fide sociopaths. Brexit proves that.

    • @sgw8903
      @sgw8903 4 года назад

      @@karmabomb3768 He has been told by the courts to reveal the numbers on deaths caused by his policies on more than one occasion and has not yet complied. He says they might be "missconstrued" by the public. So he cares at least about the impact they might have on his reputation if nothing else.

    • @sgw8903
      @sgw8903 4 года назад

      @Brexit Monger Is that brexiteers policy then, to kill the disabled? Heard that one before somewhere.

    • @sgw8903
      @sgw8903 4 года назад

      Aktion T4, euthanasia by the state. You are an actual fascist . most brexiters/patriots deny it.
      Put it in your manifesto then.

  • @blueotter5990
    @blueotter5990 4 года назад +20

    I just wish Ken would sort his trousers out.

    • @flyonthewall6606
      @flyonthewall6606 4 года назад +1

      Put a table in front of it ffs

    • @hannahberg609
      @hannahberg609 4 года назад +1

      the man is nearly 80 years old. you can wear your trousers however you like when you are ,80.

  • @crustyoldfart
    @crustyoldfart 4 года назад +2

    This conversation, between long time residents of the Westminster Bubble, sitting comfortably and droning on in laid-back languid tones is a diagram - yes ! yet another one - that British democracy is facing a serious and systematic breakdown. Our parliamentarians are out of touch with stark reality, and if they realize that, what is worse, apparently don't care. Nowhere here was it possible to see any desire or ability to tackle real problems and find a solution.
    The Brexit Party is correct, a fundamental shake up of the composition of Parliament is required, and that will require getting rid of members who are basically interested in themselves, having a cushy job for at least five years, [ and with luck many more years beyond that ]. Which will guarantee that the back and forth wrangling leading nowhere will continue,

  • @geoffreywinfield7980
    @geoffreywinfield7980 4 года назад +8

    Ken has obviously forgotten that "Gentlemen should adjust their dress before leaving the urinal."

    • @sylvianorah1367
      @sylvianorah1367 4 года назад +2

      Thst is age , i remember my Dad at that age was the same

    • @GodsOwnPrototype
      @GodsOwnPrototype 4 года назад

      Rarely has a man wearing a full suit & tie exposed so much

    • @Seerwealth
      @Seerwealth 4 года назад +1

      Dementia works endlessly.

    • @Seerwealth
      @Seerwealth 4 года назад

      @Afterglow1010 When dementia creeps in, what do you expect?

  • @ottens11
    @ottens11 4 года назад +24

    Great interview, nice to see two opposite end veterans have a civilised and fun chat about the state of politics.

    • @Seerwealth
      @Seerwealth 4 года назад +4

      Why two of same club GIN & Tonic should fight over nothing? Both are the same creatures.
      Attempting to b.s. nation as UK PEOPLES RULERS. After all, people have no brains as they claimed with REFERENDUM.

    • @karmabomb3768
      @karmabomb3768 4 года назад +1

      Fun chat? These people are insane.

    • @johnocarroll6188
      @johnocarroll6188 4 года назад

      Fun and we are off to the British Empire LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

    • @damianisrael3373
      @damianisrael3373 2 года назад

      sorry to be so off topic but does any of you know a way to log back into an Instagram account?
      I somehow forgot my login password. I would appreciate any tricks you can give me!

    • @dominikjericho5749
      @dominikjericho5749 2 года назад

      @Damian Israel Instablaster ;)

  • @janetwright9700
    @janetwright9700 4 года назад +3

    The Tories are dead in a ditch - there are only so many times we can accept being lied to and we can't swallow anymore. The only party who is constant and true is the Brexit party and that is the party I will be voting for.

    • @AdrianMcDaid
      @AdrianMcDaid 4 года назад

      Brexit party are only one trick pony. Then what ...

  • @poodlesrock6552
    @poodlesrock6552 4 года назад +12

    Why couldn’t just Westminster and the City declare independence and join Singapore as solely and solemnly WTO-based union and leave the rest of us to live in peace?

    • @poodlesrock6552
      @poodlesrock6552 4 года назад

      ChristianPatriarchy Does it matter to you?

    • @poodlesrock6552
      @poodlesrock6552 4 года назад

      @@ChristianPatriarchy The rest of us are those working in export sector, be it sheep farming, agriculture (dependent on temporary, foreign workers), building and construction, landlords and tenants, factory workers (producing cars, airplanes, etc.), elderly, retired persons, those retirees and others living in the EU, those EU-nationals living in the UK, everybody in Wales, Northern Ireland, Irish Republic, Scotland, universities and researchers both in the UK and in EU, fishermen, those working in airline and tourism, everyone with £ for income and pension, everyone with family members either in the EU or in the UK, those adhering to environmental standards and producing natural foods and meats, most shops on high streets, most music, theatre and other performing artists, smaller banks and building societies unable to compete in an irregulated financial market, those with plans of holidays or current activities across the Channel (including travellers and traders with live animals), etc. Basically everyone but those who are either brainless or brainwashed by such as religion. Most EU migrants (as elsewhere in Europe) assimilate totally within one generation. Their immigration to the UK stands at around 250K a year (no stats for departures). Immigration from outside EU is 650K a year. The empire is now more, since most of its citizens have no right or want for British nationality. Yes, I guess, THE REST OF US comprises of everyone else except those Christian Cross waving lunies like you. Next, try silver bullets? As from me, to answer your question, I originate from Northeast Somerset.

  • @ludovic2431
    @ludovic2431 4 года назад +13

    Stupid to mix up general election and referendum.

    • @chrisberrisford6465
      @chrisberrisford6465 4 года назад

      Hard not to I suppose.

    • @cesarchavez6614
      @cesarchavez6614 4 года назад

      Brextards know that they would lose a referendum.

    • @cesarchavez6614
      @cesarchavez6614 4 года назад

      @C R
      You want another referendum?

    • @cesarchavez6614
      @cesarchavez6614 4 года назад

      @C R
      So you think you will lose a referendum and that's why you don't want one. that's not very democratic, is it?

  • @johntreherne4611
    @johntreherne4611 4 года назад +6

    Okay ids lets have a debate on the economy let’s talk about how the Conservative party increased national debt three fold whilst cutting national spending to cut taxes for the richest people in society losing billions in tax revenue. Let’s talk about how the current economic model since the Conservative party came into power has seen virtually zero growth. Let’s talk about how the uk is throwing away all of its bargaining chips to get a rip off free trade deal with America.

  • @aaroninky
    @aaroninky 4 года назад +8

    iain duncan smith is a chilling reminder of just how misguided all the kings horses and all the kings men were when they tried to put humpty dumpty back together again.

  • @GodsOwnPrototype
    @GodsOwnPrototype 4 года назад +2

    Before Article 50 was put to the House, the political treaties that took us into the Political Union should have been repealed putting us into the position of Norway.
    Theresa May never should have called an election until at least the above had been done & the Referendum Result could have been said to have been implemented.
    What the preferred future relationship with Europe might be could then more clearly be debated & voted on in a general election.
    People who crossed the floor should have faced by-elections so that the issue of Democracy was not called into question.
    Honest public disclosures of the integration & alignment plans in areas of the military, regulations, customs & anywhere else are needed as much of the problem comes from things being snuck through by self righteous &/ self serving power elites.

    • @jubsaddinger9004
      @jubsaddinger9004 4 года назад

      "People who crossed the floor should have faced by-elections..." That will make people afraid to speak freely if they are afraid that they will be jobless if their party's leader is not pleased with their opinion.
      Be careful what you wish for!

  • @patrickcallahan2210
    @patrickcallahan2210 4 года назад +8

    I really enjoy these sit-down conversations with intelligent people!

  • @seriousmaran9414
    @seriousmaran9414 4 года назад +1

    Tories did not want to discuss the economy... £2 trillion debt, investment companies leaving, over £1trillion financial investments management gone to EU. Massive tax cuts for the rich.
    Farmers, fishing and manufacturing could shut down or move out.
    No wonder the Tories don't want to mention the economy.

  • @danstratford5599
    @danstratford5599 4 года назад

    I really enjoyed that!

  • @borderlands6606
    @borderlands6606 4 года назад +1

    The Tory mantra has always been if it ain't broke don't fix it. What Brexit has brought to light is just how many aspects of national life are completely broken. Ken Clarke's position seems to be storm in a teacup, seen it all before, it'll all wash over. The problem is the Conservative Party aren't social conservatives, they're laissez faire neo-liberals of an increasingly radical kind. Labour voters - if not Labour membership - are more instinctively conservative than the Tories, which is something the Conservative Party are not prepared to admit to, never mind address. This general election will demonstrate the fact in numbers and possibly in seats, too.

  • @markandcathynickerson1287
    @markandcathynickerson1287 4 года назад +2

    Tories have the same beliefs and prejudices as UKIP and the Brexit Party but they already have the wealth and power.

  • @mc-ec3bu
    @mc-ec3bu 4 года назад +2

    Boris is an arrogant torie fool , He is the perfect successor to a May thing , Remember this is a May's deal without the lipstick . But for me it has cleared up one problem i had and that was boris is NO brexiter so i thank him for that. Nigel you have my vote unconditionally now.

  • @welshtothebone5920
    @welshtothebone5920 4 года назад +13

    ''Career Politicians''... says it all!

    • @derekmiles9306
      @derekmiles9306 4 года назад +1

      Ha career professional quite agree. Fat bloke down pub told me I need some major surgery, just wondering if you might be free this weekend to have a go at it.

    • @Seerwealth
      @Seerwealth 4 года назад

      Well, what do you want? JOBCENTRE rejected them all, as UNQUALIFIED to any job.
      Jobs at public cleaners toilets are been taken by young MPS now.

    • @derekmiles9306
      @derekmiles9306 4 года назад

      Seer Seerwealth that is such an ignorant comment, I can only assume that you speaking about yourself, too stupid to be employable.

    • @jubsaddinger9004
      @jubsaddinger9004 4 года назад

      @@saxglend9439 Exactly. Opportunist one timers will say anything to win, as they don't have anything to lose.
      At least career politicians have a record according to which one can judge them, and vote accordingly.

  • @lauralishes1
    @lauralishes1 4 года назад +3

    11:54 Ken just admitted our public services and towns are a mess because of Tories!

  • @andrewclarke6916
    @andrewclarke6916 4 года назад +1

    More like 'Brexit - tearing the UK apart'.

  • @droneworld2312
    @droneworld2312 4 года назад +3

    Bought time he left father of the house lol geez good ridence ken

  • @vebjorngrytten7629
    @vebjorngrytten7629 4 года назад +1

    Boris knew he had the figures in parliament to get through his so-called new fantastic deal if he threatened MPs with a no deal, but then the extension came and his dream of becoming a Brexit hero became somewhat more distant . Now with a new incoming parlament the chance of a no deal will be there so then he takes no deal of the table on the conservative program. He tries to play the people as a master of a violin.

  • @firstspar
    @firstspar 4 года назад +1

    These videos are absolutely superbly produced. Congratulations to everyone involved, please keep this up.

  • @tasticillumi6640
    @tasticillumi6640 4 года назад

    Is anyone else reminded of Statler and Waldorf from The Muppet Show? :)

  • @hattster1818
    @hattster1818 4 года назад +1

    Oh dear......confidence in any serving mp has gone...... only a few have upheld the will of the people...the others deserve to never serve the people again !!

  • @andrescasado5975
    @andrescasado5975 4 года назад +2

    remember remember the first of November

  • @flyonthewall6606
    @flyonthewall6606 4 года назад +4

    and then there was Nigel

  • @kr-sd3ni
    @kr-sd3ni 4 года назад +11

    tearing the tories apart? LOL!! look at labour.

    • @hopethisworks1212
      @hopethisworks1212 4 года назад +5

      The labour party. The only one that will give you a second referendum. They've got my vote!

    • @Geffo555
      @Geffo555 4 года назад +1

      @@hopethisworks1212. Me too.

    • @jubsaddinger9004
      @jubsaddinger9004 4 года назад

      @@hopethisworks1212 that the least a democracy can want- not "what about 5 years back..?" bull

    • @hopethisworks1212
      @hopethisworks1212 4 года назад

      @@jubsaddinger9004 Oh yes 'bull'... what americans say. A polish based bot with copy and paste phrases? You americans really want us to leave ,don't you!

  • @leorogers8541
    @leorogers8541 4 года назад +1

    WHAT A LINE UP

    • @PALWE
      @PALWE 4 года назад

      They like a line up their nose in Parliament pub

  • @Pining_for_the_fjords
    @Pining_for_the_fjords 4 года назад +5

    The Tories: You're tearing me apart brexit!

  • @billygoat9920
    @billygoat9920 4 года назад

    The Tories are tearing the Tories apart . the politicians in Westminster on the Brexit debate are tearing the country apart....WHAT PART OF LEAVE DONT THE POLITICIANS IN WESTMINSTER UNDERSTAND

  • @girishkulkarni6853
    @girishkulkarni6853 4 года назад

    apko male beje raha order ka payment bhi issue kar raha sub mlke kare

  • @Arnold.J.Rimmer
    @Arnold.J.Rimmer 4 года назад +1

    Excellent piece, enjoyed watching that.

  • @girishkulkarni6853
    @girishkulkarni6853 4 года назад

    eu ko order issue kar raha kali brext kea piche dode rahe uski mansha nah bale elecion ho jayenga wo karenga

  • @johnshaw6664
    @johnshaw6664 4 года назад

    Journalist seems to be good friends with the politicians

  • @forfengeligfaen
    @forfengeligfaen 4 года назад +3

    Body language says it all

  • @colinstephenson5386
    @colinstephenson5386 4 года назад

    Lots of words cascade out of mr Duncan-Smith, and he smiles?

  • @xelakram
    @xelakram 4 года назад +20

    Once upon a time, the Tories were a decent party.

    • @ep4360
      @ep4360 4 года назад +7

      They never were...

    • @xelakram
      @xelakram 4 года назад +4

      @Albert Pike And who do you propose to replace them with? The Brexit party, I suppose. The Tory party these days is bad enough; the Brexit party, a whole lot worse.

    • @cesarchavez6614
      @cesarchavez6614 4 года назад +1

      @Albert Pike
      You still spouting out your bile albert. Go and listen to your brextard fools.

    • @xelakram
      @xelakram 4 года назад +2

      @Albert Pike You're clearly one of the Brexiteers. Oh dear! 🙃

    • @adscri
      @adscri 4 года назад +1

      Pick a date, any date?

  • @samwright4420
    @samwright4420 4 года назад +20

    boris and his ego is destorying the country,

    • @ianbetts4435
      @ianbetts4435 4 года назад

      Talking ribbish, the Communist party led by comrade Corbyn will destroy this country if he gets a chance.

    • @Lostinjp
      @Lostinjp 4 года назад +3

      Ian Betts what, you mean like the Tories have destroyed the country over the last decade? You sound ridiculous.

    • @ianbetts4435
      @ianbetts4435 4 года назад +1

      @@Lostinjp go and see Venezuela which Corbyn wants to model Britain into where people are eating there own pets to stay alive. You haven't got a clue.

    • @Lostinjp
      @Lostinjp 4 года назад +1

      Ian Betts he wants to model Britain on Venezuela, does he? Where did you learn that? The Sun? The Mail? Patterns left by your urine in the toilet? Laughable.

    • @ianbetts4435
      @ianbetts4435 4 года назад

      @@Lostinjp It came from his own mouth. Wake up you brainwashed fool Compo Corbyn is a Marxist protester who couldn't run a corner shop.

  • @blakeshannon9800
    @blakeshannon9800 4 года назад +1

    I wish it would REMOVE the Tories!!

  • @gurzification
    @gurzification 4 года назад

    Ken Clarke's flies are undone!

  • @kidcharlemagne1427
    @kidcharlemagne1427 4 года назад +1

    why has Ken Clarke decided to do the entire interview with his flys down?

  • @graceomalley4
    @graceomalley4 4 года назад +2

    I like Ken Clarke but then he speaks about ‘Margaret’ with a tone of respect and of his fondness for IDS. Then I remember he’s a Tory.

    • @MrYorickJenkins
      @MrYorickJenkins 4 года назад +1

      He calls her Margaret becuase it is the phony Tony age of everyone calling each other by their Christian names. He probably calls Benn Tony. If you want to say someone is a non person you refer to them by their surname

    • @hedydd2
      @hedydd2 4 года назад

      Ken and Margaret were big mates until Mrs Thatcher began to lose her plot late during her leadership.

  • @sepehrdaghbandan7964
    @sepehrdaghbandan7964 4 года назад +2

    Crash bang wallop, describes Ian Duncan Smith quite nicely 😊

  • @sheilabutterworth1418
    @sheilabutterworth1418 4 года назад +1

    Tell the people the truth. Bad Deal. For Leave. Voter,s. Wake up. Study that deal.

  • @christopherosborne9277
    @christopherosborne9277 4 года назад +1

    They new what they were doing so be it

  • @elguapo1507
    @elguapo1507 4 года назад

    Ken!...Why can't Boris return to the EU and say "we've changed our minds! This deal is off!" ?? It's EXACTLY that policy on which the Labour Party are standing for election on! They intend to do EXACTLY that! They're going to ask for one and campaign against it!

  • @Gizo02
    @Gizo02 4 года назад +4

    These were the 2 finalists during the Tory leadership contest in 2001. The Tories voting for IDS as their leader instead of Ken Clarke, purely because of their respective views on Europe which is totally irrelevant to the public at the time, was a comically stupid decision and act of self harm. IDS is probably the most useless Westminster party leader in living memory, and only lasted 2 years before his colleagues got rid of him.

  • @magnetron-magnetfishing4960
    @magnetron-magnetfishing4960 4 года назад +1

    Time n tide waits for no man , these people never changed, the most of us. did. The rest will have to.

  • @BobAg_
    @BobAg_ 4 года назад +10

    Why does Iain keep stroking his non-existent beard and non-existent hair?

    • @andytaylor3230
      @andytaylor3230 4 года назад +1

      because ken is rubbing his inner thigh

    • @robertcmcnamara
      @robertcmcnamara 4 года назад

      Because he's a balding, beardless anti-hero. Dr. Evil Duncan Smith.

  • @euansmith3699
    @euansmith3699 4 года назад +1

    Ian Duncan Smith does a pretty good impression of Sad Ben Affleck.
    "Jeremy is a hugely unpopular figure...", Clarke neglected to add, "... with the media and their oligarch masters."

  • @jamessearing-i1048
    @jamessearing-i1048 4 года назад

    IDS was leader at one point for pity sake, what is gibbon on about suggesting he was always at the fringes until 2016?

  • @gnupf
    @gnupf 4 года назад +2

    I like these two. Great video. Affability in motion.

  • @garysmith208
    @garysmith208 4 года назад

    This is an excellent strand. Well done Gary. Perfect use of youtube.

  • @malcolmgambrill2692
    @malcolmgambrill2692 4 года назад

    Leave means LEAVE, they have proved you can't trust them and that will count when people vote!
    Democracy means accepting the result win or lose, these people have forgotten that, they should all be sacked ..

  • @LXGXxgamblexX4
    @LXGXxgamblexX4 4 года назад

    Good may it dissolve with grace.

  • @Truthseeker19819
    @Truthseeker19819 4 года назад

    really gets under my skin when they talk about jc with arrogance. Like they know what the public will vote for 100%. They wrote jc off in 2017 and they was wrong. We have had 9 years of tory rule and thats not to mention the hash they have made of brexit with back tracking both TM and Doris. People voted to just leave then create trade not dogdy deals first there for, this deal needs to go back to the people so they can vote for or reject it.

  • @williamjohnston7164
    @williamjohnston7164 Год назад

    I try to comment but am restricted when I type in ,the words , they change them to something I didnot type

  • @doraemon402
    @doraemon402 4 года назад +3

    This whole whipping thing shouldn't even exist. MPs have to be free to vote the way they want. That's why they are directly elected.

    • @Archie.Fisher
      @Archie.Fisher 4 года назад +3

      What do people vote for - the person or the party?

  • @grossherman3841
    @grossherman3841 4 года назад

    Parliament stinks or I should say stunk when it last sat, those elected representatives who chose not to honor the democratic vote are, what ever they say, traitors,

  • @lesbray3504
    @lesbray3504 4 года назад

    I didn’t realise ken Clarke was so simplistic. Suggesting that labour are for the working class. They are for no one so much evidence past and present to prove that. Dictatorship, oppression and poverty delivered by socialist government time and time again. It surprises me him being ignorant of the outrage people have felt towards the result of the referendum being side lined, I am shocked at him suggesting that it’s wrong to translate the sharp divergence between the views on the EU and democracy, between the electorate and parliament, being polar opposite and flippant disregard respectively has lead to an election based on parliament versus people. He is obviously wrong to portray Margaret thatcher as being so different from the current view,. M.Thatcher, as he said, was against the political aspect of the EU. That is the same, not different from the view expressed through the referendum. He seems amazingly sanguine to the threat of creeping socialism. I guess Ken Clarke’s retirement is timely. Maybe like other MPs he will gain some clarity from being outside looking in. Many inside parliament have such a different view from the people outside parliament.

  • @grahamjames5618
    @grahamjames5618 Год назад

    IDS appears to have a Patek Philip Calatrava on his wrist (Approx £70000!!!). No wonder he thinks the rich should be looked after before everyone else?

  • @tavyjets
    @tavyjets 4 года назад +4

    Either Ken is carrying a concealed weapon in his pants or he's enjoying this interview a little too much

  • @AndrewBryantPianoTuner
    @AndrewBryantPianoTuner 4 года назад

    Where's the fucking block button!?

  • @goharikjones7387
    @goharikjones7387 4 года назад +3

    We Brexiters love Europe, it's the European Union that Brexiters did not want to be part of it any more, in 1970 is we joined EEC which made sense but it has become political Union, to me EU is no different from EUSSR..when they have the last say in our laws, free movement and so on, let's have our independent back.

  • @additionaddict5524
    @additionaddict5524 4 года назад +3

    Now that Ken is retiring I'm going to miss commenting that "He has food on his shirt" on every video he is in that I see

  • @31YAH
    @31YAH 4 года назад +1

    Calling it a general election is in fact a means to distract people from brexit, where politicians make obfuscations like promises!!!! Stick to the one important issue leave or remain!!!!

  • @jtk1ify
    @jtk1ify 4 года назад +1

    we have had new labour under Blair it seems we may have new conservative under Boris.
    the conservatives are either lying about investing in certain public services or they have had an ephiphany on the road to damascus(brexit). i hope they can answer the qustion they always demanded of Labour "where's the money coming from? tax rises?

  • @politicalphilosophy-thegre3894
    @politicalphilosophy-thegre3894 4 года назад

    "If you think I'm right-wing, you should meet this guy!"- Norman Tebbitt on IDS, Chingford, 1992

  • @Mike_5
    @Mike_5 4 года назад

    Now we can see where Rory Stewart gets his unusual interview style of legs wide apart from - Father of the House to Son - and they both seem to be playing with their inner right thighs at 3:22 then at 7:22 IDS gets a full grab on ...

  • @ancietman
    @ancietman 4 года назад

    The Tories voted 247 constituencies leave vs 80 remain, they got elected in 2017 with support leave manifesto and a few months ago the Tories voted by a big majority to appoint leaver Boris PM. Its pretty obvious the way the grassroots Tories want to go. Clarke should remember its for MPs to deliver what is voted for not for grassroots Tories to follow Clarke because he doesn't want to leave.

    • @purplerings1969
      @purplerings1969 4 года назад

      The voters also voted for no deal is better than a bad deal. So i guess it means they all got conned and now they need to vote brexit party

  • @hpd6433
    @hpd6433 4 года назад

    bye bye ken - you were a poor MP for the people of Rushcliffe hope your replacement is not given such a free ride

  • @ianbarron1196
    @ianbarron1196 4 года назад +1

    Remainers , let them remain in the E.U. in person

    • @gerrabath
      @gerrabath 4 года назад +2

      In a similar vein why are all the leave voters still here?

    • @ianbarron1196
      @ianbarron1196 4 года назад

      I was thinking about politicians not doing the will of the majority

    • @gerrabath
      @gerrabath 4 года назад +2

      ​@Albert Pike And leave voters voted to leave so why are you still here?

    • @gerrabath
      @gerrabath 4 года назад +2

      @Albert Pike Ironically? LoL! Look, just stop pissing about and get your bags packed!

    • @gerrabath
      @gerrabath 4 года назад

      @Albert Pike OK I won't act like a moron and start planning my future in one of the 27 states. Thanks for the advice. Now, there's a fleet of Sunshine coaches doing the rounds picking your lot up and dropping off at the nearest beach. Don't forget your toothbrush!

  • @theresadunningham2800
    @theresadunningham2800 4 года назад

    Ken Clarke sits next to Duncan-Smith and says the Tories have a social conscience. 😂🤣😂

    • @MrYorickJenkins
      @MrYorickJenkins 4 года назад

      What is your point? Ian Duncan Smith resigned from Cameron's cabinet because of what he considered excessive cuts in public spending. Perhaps you prefer the Labourt option of throwing money at anyone who claims they need it so long as they do nothing and dont work

  • @matthewbaynham6286
    @matthewbaynham6286 4 года назад +2

    If you're retiring from politics I guess you don't need to do up your flies.

    • @Seerwealth
      @Seerwealth 4 года назад +1

      That is caused by alcohol. And dementia.

  • @Pribbip
    @Pribbip 4 года назад +1

    Ken Clarke sounds like a 1980's Radio 1 DJ

    • @yogiguitar1
      @yogiguitar1 4 года назад

      he's like jimmy so vile

    • @yogiguitar1
      @yogiguitar1 4 года назад

      @Yattaman these people do us no credit as a nation. non at all. creepy disgusting people!

  • @dianeirvine7624
    @dianeirvine7624 4 года назад

    Why did parliament and country reach the state we are in , what have these pair ever contributed other than telling us what is wrong.,
    We need strong leadership, regenerate parliament clear the rotten and deadwood . Action ,no more bullshit , Vote brexit

  • @hamishsomerville4064
    @hamishsomerville4064 4 года назад +3

    Tories and Labour tearing their self’s apart.

  • @doyoumind9356
    @doyoumind9356 4 года назад

    I never voted Tory but I have some regard for the 21

  • @blackdogbarking
    @blackdogbarking 2 месяца назад

    @blackdogbarking
    0 seconds ago
    I disagree about UK needing a say british people would be much safer with its economic affairs in the hands of foreign politicians. With our bogus democracy delivering idiots like boris and truss with a huge majority, I would be much happier knowing that other sensible folk who bother to vote had chosen the economic experts

  • @liberi12345678
    @liberi12345678 4 года назад

    funny, isn't it, how, at 23 minutes, they laugh openly about the "remote" idea that the Brexit party will do well?