The thing is the simple Emp idea is really simple. you can create a 1000+ v pulse by just pushing a magnetic field through a coil, it can be done using an electormagnet.
@drewnickel I guess there are at least 3 reasons: 1) The electronics inside enola-gay was constructed without transistors (!) becouse first transistor was developed 2 years after that. Transistors are destroyed by EPM 2) The electonics could be based on vacuum tubes which survive EMP (!) 3) The aircraft was covered by metal plates which screens EMP (Faraday's cage)
when the EMP goes off it FRIES small circuits especially those with switching power supplies (mostly every circuit board) the EMP last for about 8 hours, after which all components would have to be replaced with new manufactured items.
@TheDarkNobleOne All the cars key components are controlled by the ECM (electronic control module). The ECm controls timing, fuel pump, air/fuel ratio etc. so when the ECM is knocked out the car can't function.
guys the camera still work's because this is just a small emp which you have to go through that thing hanging on the wire. whatch how when the car and the helicopter got shut down as it passed through the that white thing
As we say at the start of the film, this testing site was at White Sands military base, a huge specialist centre for purely military research. As such, I don't believe they "publish" any results, although they almost certainly will have tested a range of military and non-military equipment against EMP.
zoddie You're right about that. If an EMP goes off, the first thing I'll do is load up my survival gear and head for my bug out location. I want to be out of the city before the panics even start. I have printed google maps that I can use to get there and I selected the "No highways" option. I figure the freeways will be jammed after an EMP so my best bet is to take the side roads and the 50mph state roads rather than the freeway. If I'm lucky I'll have time to come back and get my tools too.
@scottycatman Comms tower. No communication to aerial vehicles, going to cause major air traffic. A lot of emergency landings and/or accidents on the runways. Some might even collide with each other.
Ya know, that puzzled me too. My mechanical background is working on heavy diesel trucks, not automotive. I imagine there might be some electronics in automotive starting circuits these days. If it's an older car but with electronic ignition, I'm not so sure. I wonder if it's another dateline thing where they fake it. If somehow the EMP blew up electrical relays, I'd be pretty surprised. Maybe I should throw all my old relays in my gun safe. 16 years as a mechanic has given me quite a few.
you only need to connect a circuit for the windows and lights to work. The ECU and alternator are fried. If you have a carburetor instead of fuel injection, and a manual, you can do a rolling start and run off your battery until that dies.
@Venddeta9 I am wondering are there weak EMP's that can momentarily disable electronics? I have heard that there are ways to disable electronics for a moment from a distance so it looks like a circuit problem.
An EMP won't affect older tech like vacuum tubes. Also, encasing electronics in conductive metal (a Faraday cage) insulates them against EM pulses. Which means, if you want to be prepared, store your emergency tech (weather radio, CB, etc) in a cage.
@suzuki834 easily explainable. take a camera, and have it play in real time on a monitor far away. when the emp hits the camera, the connection stops. so the video before the emp is shown. then they just get another camera up there to show after the emp shockwave thingy.
@BigSpartan112 Because it's not under the EMP, as the EMP is only affecting everything under it, it's mentioned in the video even that the EMP used on the car/heli only covers 15yards due to it's distance from the ground, as the waves only hit what's in it's line of sight of whats directly infront of it.
emp is part of my post apocoliptic plan. what people today dont realize is the emp basicly overcharges chips and resistors in the cars motherboard and starter. so in todays version of a vehical it would render any "vehical" useless. but emp dosnt affect mechanical function. so any car from say 1978 and back would more than likely work fine. its why im currently working on getting a ww2 jeep going. itle work till the tires rot away
This is simply because electrons (ejected from the air by gamma rays) are stopped quickly in normal air for bursts below roughly 10 km (about 6 miles), so they do not get a chance to be significantly deflected by the Earth's magnetic field (since the deflection causes the powerful EMP seen in high altitude bursts). --Wiki--
So the effect of a EMP device would depend on the position and strength of the Earth's magnetic field in relation to where the device is touched off. There is more info about this online, much better then I can explain it. A beer can sized EMP device might be large enough to knock out a computer or something in the immediate area but it isn't going to knock out a city.
Have you done this? Where are you going to go once you have your vehicle up and running again? How many people do you think are actually going to do this when they don't even have enough tp to last a week?
@AdamanceConquers It's a huge amount of electrical potential, talking 100's of kilovolts. Any long metal object acts as a place for sparks to form. Sparks + fuel = bad.
Hmm... interesting. I could have sworn the windows in the 2nd Gen Taurus were controlled by the GEM module. Maybe not. The lights definitely are, because you can see those go out. A newer car would be totally put down. Everything in them, even the simplest of things, are controlled by a computer module (some are simply, "you press the switch, computer sees you hit the switch, computer activates accessory").
i dont get how it would fry a circuit? like does it ruin the acid in the chips? Does it short the circuit? i just dont see how an invisible pulse can ruin a pretty durable piece of technology....
Inter-Continental Ballistic Missle = ICBM. A rocket that can take off from one continent and land on another. The US and Russian both used to have hundreds of them, but the numbers are down to around a hundred each since President Regan's non-proliferation treaty.
@drewnickel that is as very good point but because the plane was not very high the emp's were not very powerful, the higher the bomb is the more powerful the emp
EMP is just an Electro Magnetic Pulse. You can't direct one that's power by an atomic explosion, like the icbm ones we believe the russians have. BUT, you can generate an EMP alot of different ways. Electrically generated EMP's can be directed by wave guides pretty much the same way it works in your household microwave.
It's inevitable that in the near future electronical adjustements and (brain?) implants will be fairly common. I mean, we already have people with artifical pacemakers. Think about the damage it could do.
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Touché. It's always a danger when you "obvisily" know "nothseign" about how "fats" light is.
Ok so I researched It and now I know what it is. Not everyone is oh so smart and in the know like you. I'll bet you would make an excellent teacher...
The thing is the simple Emp idea is really simple. you can create a 1000+ v pulse by just pushing a magnetic field through a coil, it can be done using an electormagnet.
@drewnickel I guess there are at least 3 reasons:
1) The electronics inside enola-gay was constructed without transistors (!) becouse first transistor was developed 2 years after that. Transistors are destroyed by EPM
2) The electonics could be based on vacuum tubes which survive EMP (!)
3) The aircraft was covered by metal plates which screens EMP (Faraday's cage)
beer can EMP? the perfect window breaking message. Mr. Jobbs I break your tech.
when the EMP goes off it FRIES small circuits especially those with switching power supplies (mostly every circuit board) the EMP last for about 8 hours, after which all components would have to be replaced with new manufactured items.
@TheDarkNobleOne All the cars key components are controlled by the ECM (electronic control module). The ECm controls timing, fuel pump, air/fuel ratio etc. so when the ECM is knocked out the car can't function.
guys the camera still work's because this is just a small emp which you have to go through that thing hanging on the wire. whatch how when the car and the helicopter got shut down as it passed through the that white thing
As we say at the start of the film, this testing site was at White Sands military base, a huge specialist centre for purely military research. As such, I don't believe they "publish" any results, although they almost certainly will have tested a range of military and non-military equipment against EMP.
zoddie
You're right about that. If an EMP goes off, the first thing I'll do is load up my survival gear and head for my bug out location. I want to be out of the city before the panics even start. I have printed google maps that I can use to get there and I selected the "No highways" option. I figure the freeways will be jammed after an EMP so my best bet is to take the side roads and the 50mph state roads rather than the freeway. If I'm lucky I'll have time to come back and get my tools too.
"Snap out of it soldier! Our guns still work, so we can still kick some ass!"
'beer can size emp gun' *rubs hands together* Neighbors can kiss their new surround sound goodbye!
@robieb0i it explains further in the video that the higher that thing that produces the EMP, the wider the area of it's effects.
@scottycatman Comms tower. No communication to aerial vehicles, going to cause major air traffic. A lot of emergency landings and/or accidents on the runways. Some might even collide with each other.
Ya know, that puzzled me too. My mechanical background is working on heavy diesel trucks, not automotive. I imagine there might be some electronics in automotive starting circuits these days. If it's an older car but with electronic ignition, I'm not so sure. I wonder if it's another dateline thing where they fake it. If somehow the EMP blew up electrical relays, I'd be pretty surprised. Maybe I should throw all my old relays in my gun safe. 16 years as a mechanic has given me quite a few.
you only need to connect a circuit for the windows and lights to work.
The ECU and alternator are fried.
If you have a carburetor instead of fuel injection, and a manual, you can do a rolling start and run off your battery until that dies.
OperationCrossroad
Sorry, no ideas. I just checked my manuals but I don't have any on Taurus.
@Venddeta9 I am wondering are there weak EMP's that can momentarily disable electronics? I have heard that there are ways to disable electronics for a moment from a distance so it looks like a circuit problem.
EMP, great for deleting secrets on computer, like how EMP is made :O
@ronin1908 you can shield electronics and the system they have set up is very directional.
An EMP won't affect older tech like vacuum tubes. Also, encasing electronics in conductive metal (a Faraday cage) insulates them against EM pulses.
Which means, if you want to be prepared, store your emergency tech (weather radio, CB, etc) in a cage.
You Control The Electromagnetic Space, and you'll control the world.
How would that portable emp wreck communications for all airplanes if you set it off in one airport
LMAO ''we have been EMP! helicopters are falling out of the skies!"
@james6394 I hope you are right, but on what do you base your odds and shrug off his?
@suzuki834 easily explainable. take a camera, and have it play in real time on a monitor far away. when the emp hits the camera, the connection stops. so the video before the emp is shown. then they just get another camera up there to show after the emp shockwave thingy.
whould that mean wen the pulse is over and everything do u have 2 buy the new electronic ? or can u just turn it on
@BigSpartan112 Because it's not under the EMP, as the EMP is only affecting everything under it, it's mentioned in the video even that the EMP used on the car/heli only covers 15yards due to it's distance from the ground, as the waves only hit what's in it's line of sight of whats directly infront of it.
emp is part of my post apocoliptic plan. what people today dont realize is the emp basicly overcharges chips and resistors in the cars motherboard and starter. so in todays version of a vehical it would render any "vehical" useless. but emp dosnt affect mechanical function. so any car from say 1978 and back would more than likely work fine. its why im currently working on getting a ww2 jeep going. itle work till the tires rot away
@TechnoManiac2
It might force a reboot in computersystems, but mostly it siply fries the sensitive electronics.
I've been through an emp one time it was so crazy that I got my ac130 and I couldn't call it in then the game ended before I got to use it:(
when an emp is emitted, does it completely destroy all electronics are just temporarily disable them?
does the circuits refabricate itself as in terms of normality....does it work after the AMP like later after the EMP happens
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This is simply because electrons (ejected from the air by gamma rays) are stopped quickly in normal air for bursts below roughly 10 km (about 6 miles), so they do not get a chance to be significantly deflected by the Earth's magnetic field (since the deflection causes the powerful EMP seen in high altitude bursts).
--Wiki--
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@Thiery2864 Im wondering... how could he say that in your radio, when electronics are down??
@ronin1908 i think they switched the emp off before they started videoing! the car doesnt turn on anymore because the circuits fried!
So the effect of a EMP device would depend on the position and strength of the Earth's magnetic field in relation to where the device is touched off. There is more info about this online, much better then I can explain it. A beer can sized EMP device might be large enough to knock out a computer or something in the immediate area but it isn't going to knock out a city.
What is the name of the testing site? Do they publish test result of household items such as flashlights, small hand held radios, etc?
In fact they wanted to load the batteries of the objects but didn't knew that this is too much energy..
@narshil2 Nope, why would that be any different? The electronics of the car are damaged.
so, what exactly does the pulse kill in the car? what components have to be replaced to make the car run again?
Have you done this? Where are you going to go once you have your vehicle up and running again? How many people do you think are actually going to do this when they don't even have enough tp to last a week?
@AdamanceConquers It's a huge amount of electrical potential, talking 100's of kilovolts. Any long metal object acts as a place for sparks to form. Sparks + fuel = bad.
Hmm... interesting. I could have sworn the windows in the 2nd Gen Taurus were controlled by the GEM module. Maybe not. The lights definitely are, because you can see those go out.
A newer car would be totally put down. Everything in them, even the simplest of things, are controlled by a computer module (some are simply, "you press the switch, computer sees you hit the switch, computer activates accessory").
What? I knew about EMPs way before MW2. Modern Warfare 2 just made it 10 times more badass. And I'm 13!
why the camera still filming? the circuit should be overloaded too
How do they keep the cameras working?
So if we drive an old school cars with out a bcm or pcm computer in it are we Ok.
@ronin1908 It worked within a 50 foot radius. thats why he said the cameras couldn't stay with him in the car.
How can a car get struck by lightning and be fine but an EMP disables it?
Nice...beer can size, city block? powerplant?
What kind of car is that?
@drewnickel EMPs are not dropped by planes, they're ICBMs or intercontinental ballistic missiles so they dont have to use airplanes or people.
@hammas74 ya i have "ewer" heard of it, but that still wont stop an emp
and this is the stuff they show, imagine the stuff we dont see and show on TV...
so what camera was made off?anti EMP materials?
should the car work as a faraday cage?
So dose the EMP destorys or just put off electronic?
@ronin1908
the camera has to be really close to the power lines EMP like the helicopter or the car to stop
why dosent the camera die when its shooting the car or the helo getting disabled?
@ronin1908 This thing can only take out electronics in a 50 ft radius, the camera probably was further away than that.
iT fry's the solenoid which is what makes the combustion in a engine
i dont get how it would fry a circuit? like does it ruin the acid in the chips? Does it short the circuit? i just dont see how an invisible pulse can ruin a pretty durable piece of technology....
Inter-Continental Ballistic Missle = ICBM. A rocket that can take off from one continent and land on another. The US and Russian both used to have hundreds of them, but the numbers are down to around a hundred each since President Regan's non-proliferation treaty.
why is there STILL battery power?
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@YingYang13322 ok awesome, thank you :)
@drewnickel that is as very good point but because the plane was not very high the emp's were not very powerful, the higher the bomb is the more powerful the emp
when the car stops and the emp is swiched off can it work again or it wont work anymore ?
@InfiniteVice
If the power windows work, I don't see why the pacemakers won't. Also, I'm sure elevators have fail safe measures.
The worst nightmare for pacemaker users.
nukela?
The aircraft would be affected most because of recent fly-by-wire systems.
@ronin1908 prob in a protective metal case with a gold plated lens
if an EMP went off I could not finish this comm-
EMP is just an Electro Magnetic Pulse. You can't direct one that's power by an atomic explosion, like the icbm ones we believe the russians have.
BUT, you can generate an EMP alot of different ways. Electrically generated EMP's can be directed by wave guides pretty much the same way it works in your household microwave.
@sprays4 reader said that this device can take out electronics from with in a 50 foot radious 2:47.
It depends on the size of the EMP.
@ronin1908 they can point it to a location..
@JoshFOB yeah thats why politicians warn us saying that if we get emped america could go back before the Industrial age.
have you shield your power line?
the guy handling the helicopter: whoops sorry, my hand slipped. Can we try that again?
It's inevitable that in the near future electronical adjustements and (brain?) implants will be fairly common. I mean, we already have people with artifical pacemakers. Think about the damage it could do.
The faraday cage is really cool invention
@robbie1yermaw the cylinders have spark plugs to ignite fuels runs on electricity
now i know why ramirez and the sarge suddenly had that emp attack on them... cause of the nuke price set off.
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@hollisterco161 i know, right, this is the same with ufo documentaries
why didn't the cameras die during the first emp test with the helicopter?
sooo, how exactly are they filming this?
How did the car get disabled while he was driving it when it runs from explosions in the engine moving the wheels? Thats not electricity..
I don't understand why the car would stop. It's petroleum operated. It would stop if it was a hybrid... And doesn't the emp affect the battery too?
I see. Forgive me, sir. The punctuation had confused me.
soo it wont work again ? (electronic systems
Longhull please excuse my ignorance what is a ICBM Im not American so dont know all your lingo for weapons if that is what it is just curious.
@JettaJ1 Thanks Jettaji
is EMp harmful to the human body?
@flummox2000 I would be interested in any answers resulting from an investigation into the question. They what and the why are interesting.
will the power ever come back tho???