Good comparison video! Disagree with the "harsh ride" statement @8:55....but only when unloaded. If it's a dedicated "3 car wedge" puller or a "hotshot" truck, the more weight on the load, the smoother the ride. Ask any semi trucker and they'll tell you their rig rides like a bumpy old horse carriage when empty, but the weight it's designed for smooths out the ride significantly. But, as a 23 year class A driver, I'M gonna tell anyone to forget about buying equipment for moving cars. It's too many headaches. Get into equipment moving instead and go with the heavier truck. It costs a little bit more but makes a lot more money and is ultimately less work and less maintenance on the truck, which is built heavier duty than the pickup. I started with a pickup and a year later realized I was doing the same work as a semi driver but for less pay, and so I got into specialized stuff that not only paid better, but was easier to keep up with and less frustrating. If less than 30% of your miles are pulling a trailer, get the pickup. If more, go with the heavier truck. Thank you for your videos!!
Rich Z: thanks! actually, oddly enough, it would have been a slightly worse comparison had it been a F450 Pickup. Mainly because the F450 pickup has less leaf springs and a lower payload capacity than the F350 and Very slightly higher max gooseneck towing than the F350. The main advantage of the 450 is the steering radius due to the wider track.
Big Truck Big RV I'd still op'd for the 450 pick up over the 350. The payload is lower because the truck is heavier. Ford wanted to keep it at 14k gvrw so the payload is less. It's not as if the truck can't handle the weight.... It wouldn't surprise me if the rear leafs packs were same
What about a pt 2 on hauler beds in general? Say a 5th wheel prep for a regular bed vs replacing stock bed with hauler bed. Just for Full time 5th wheel travelers/towers
For me it came down to price, the only time I drive my truck is when I'm towing something. I purchased my Dodge 3500 cab and chassis for $41,000 out the door with an aluminum flat bed. Pickup trucks that were of the same size were anywhere from $69 to $73.
You could always pull your bed, but you would then have to custom fabricate your own, and you wouldn't have the payload capacity of the chassis cab. HP and Torque are sexy, but payload is why you buy a truck.
or you could buy a tuner, the engines and transmissions are completely the same.. I mess with tunes on our trucks for testing purposes(International trucks), some people want 430hp, some people want 600hp... I put a fire truck tune on our trailer shunter, its' over 600hp :)
There is a place near here that removes the box and installs a custom hauler chassis. This way you get all of the pick up options that you would not get in a chassis cab configuration.
You said it right at the end. The best option I would think would be a Pickup with a Hauler bed. Plus, with a hauler bed, no one will ask you to help them move.
a simple (tho expensive) solution to the harsh chassis-cab ride is to get a Link UltraRide rear Air Ride suspension system. it outright replaces the leaf springs, and it functions just like a lighter-duty version of big rig suspension. The only downside is the cost at roughly 5k w/o install. Its a great system, and thats coming from someone with a 1986 f350 Chassis-Cab.
My '88 f250hd gives a bumpy ride too. Throw a ton or more in the bed, & it rides like a cadillac!! Still another awesome video. Learned a lot!!! When I sell my house, I'll be buying a whole rig. Going Nomad!!! I'm planning on a custom built bed to carry tools & other gear. And an f450 or even f550 to do the pulling. I'm not in a hurry. 330 horses is plenty for me. Nor do I need all the bells & whistles. Just more stuff to break. I'm leaning toward something between an XL & XLT. Simple but nice. I never cared much about keeping up with the Jones'. I'm still doing my homework right now. And your videos are a TREMENDOUS HELP!!! Thank you, & do keep them coming. I also welcome advice & suggestions from any full-time RV'r's out there. Thanks & God Bless!
Good point about transferring the vibrations to the trailer. I wonder if there's hitches that can help with that. One reason for considering a chassis cab is that it provides you more choice when looking on the used market. Dualies tend to be fewer, more expensive, have more miles, and are generally more beat up, so it helps to be able to broaden the search to find a value.
Thanks for doing your videos. I really Injoy them. you always good info and reviews. You have really opened my eyes about trucks and towing 5th wheeels
One addition... When mentioning fifth wheel you should've specified fifth wheel camper. If you're towing a fifth wheel car trailer or equipment trailer for instance youre probably not worried too much about the vibrations transferring to the trailer as opposed to having a smoother riding pickup
There’s a dash cam RUclips, it’s been years since I’ve seen it, guy with a chasis cab has a flat bed, with a 2 door small car pulling a bumper pull Rv, if I find it I’ll post it here
I think cost vs how long vs miles per length of time you plan on keeping it. And if you have a business where during the week you haul a multi car trailer or etc. And use it personally to haul your 5th wheel or boat on the weekend
Love your channel, i just had to comment about your last comparison about which is better for towing a 5th wheel? You chose the pickup version primarily because it drives better without 5th wheel which doesn't really compare the attributes of hauling a 5th wheel.
All interesting pros and cons. I think big companies would buy the chase and different gear ratios depending on their job. the chase truck is more for businesses than consumer. reg duel truck fits the bill for majority of your needs.
A couple things to add, standard on a pickup, a pickup comes with a spare tire mounted underneath the truck at rear of truck. On a cab and chassis a spare tire is not a standard option. Yes you can get a spare tire and wheel but 2nd problem comes is there is no storage location for the spare like there is on a pickup. This was the ultimate reason why when I was researching and picking out my truck I opted for the pickup. I know a lot of cab and chassis that have spare tires will mount them up on the headache rack or mount inside the utility / service bed and just my personal opinion that is very tacky. If I have a spare tire on the headache rack one I can not use the headache rack for conduit, tuning, pipe, unistrut etc. and two with a spare tire on the headache rack I and very limited on installing certain tool boxes suck as a knaack job site chest, the larger the gang box or tool box the more likely the lid is to hit the spare tire if mounted on the headache rack. On a pickup where the spare tire is located in between the frame at rear of truck, well on a cab and chassis the fuel tank is located in that location. To myself personally when deciding on my f450 this is what ultimately lead to my final decision of a pickup. Now on a cab and chassis you can get several chassis lengths, this is called “CA” which stands to cab to axle. All ford 8 foot pickup beds have a 56 inch “CA” cab to axle. Ford has several CA lengths such as 60 inch CA, which accommodates a 9 foot bed, and 84 inch CA, which accommodates a 11 foot bed, and I believe ford even offers a 108 inch CA which I believe is only available in a single cab, I may be speaking incorrectly here but I believe the 108 inch CA will accommodate either a 14 or 15 foot utility bed. With the single cab this is the largest wheel base offered between a f350 and a f550 in a cab and chassis of 205 inches, the maximum wheel base offered for a f450 to f550 is 203 inches which consist of a crew cab truck and 84 inch cab to axle, 11 foot bed. One other difference between a cab and chassis and a pickup is on a XL trim level pickup or cab and chassis fog lights are not an option, XLT pickup fog lights are not standard although is and optional feature with the correct package. Cab and chassis XLT not an option, for a cab and chassis the lowest trim level where fog lights are offered on a C&C is a lariat. a C&C truck is typically a work truck 90% of the time, in my personal opinion fog lights are a great tool and feature to have on any trim level and also a safety feature. On a C&C lariat one feature that is standard for the lariat is the seats automatically come as leather, for a work truck leather will just get damaged and this is coming from someone who takes very great care of my vehicles. These are just a few of the reasons why I decided to go with a pickup for my work truck instead of a C&C. Just my personal opinion I love so many of the features and options available on the pickup XLT trim level, one time ford definitely hit right was the ability to have as an option to have carpet delete, meaning rubber flooring. Although one feature I would absolutely love to have I’m an XLT for a work truck is optional vinyl seats. As a work truck you get dirty and nasty working, I don’t need cloth seats to just get dirty. I love being able to easily wipe down my vinyl seats and back on the road. XLT I’m my opinion would be the overall best trim level to have as a work truck, power folding mirrors, keypad entry are just a few options not available on an XL, I have been tempted before to purchase an XLT and pull the cloth seats out and put vinyl seats in myself. I can go on and on about the Ford super duty’s.
Great point about shock and vibration being transferred into the 5th wheel. I hadn't thought of that. I guess if you really need the tongue weight capability of a chassis cab for an enormous 5th wheel, you ought to spring for an air ride hitch.
As a person whose owned both I prefer the chassis cab as I am not one to daily a 1 ton. I bought it for a reason. That chassis cab will pull heavier loads better and be a lot smoother doing it then a pickup ever will. They are like basket balls when they are unloaded I will give you that. But you can take a leaf or 2 out and still be stiffer than a truck and have close to the same unloaded ride. But I also carry 70 gallons of diesel in a tank on the bed which helps too
open c-rails don't bust spines.. nor their own back. Seems the sales guys skipped over the tractor trailer traits necessary to get out of the boys with fat tires on a 1/8th inch frame. I got so mad at pickups, I weld my half ton beyond the 1 ton....for decades.
Great informative video!!! OK, my take away: Full Time living hauling all your possessions....Chassis cab with hauler body. You can load that body up with various heaver items; plus dual fuel tanks (more weight); ride should be OK. Longevity. Price. All the knick knack options unimportant to me. Retired seeing the country...lumbering down the road is fine with me. Question? In mountain country, with proper gearing, the chassis cab the better choice?
one thing I can tell you with my experience working at a car dealer, an auto auction and a repo company. I have learned that if you are willing to pay for it, companies will do it. you can get a chassis cab king ranch edition if you are willing to spend the 120k+ for it.
You should also mention that there are options available to assist with the dampening of the shock to the fifth wheel by using one of the optional air ride suspension hitches or by simply changing out the rear suspension on the cab and chassis truck to use airbags thus giving you the option to adjust the ride height of both the truck and the trailer.
At least with ford, the chassis cab truck is de tuned down to about 600 tq vs at 450 with a bed with over 900 tq. I drive a 2017 350 chassis cab and towing a 30’ lowboy works just fine but SLOW.
Thank you for this video. Just yesterday I was wondering which type of truck would be best for hauling a late boat. At least now I have something to work with.
You forgot transmission options, I would go for the chassis cab to get a top loader gear box. Also you could spec air suspension and get it as a glider kit to boot.
I don't care for the led lights around the headlights. The frontend looks good other than that to me. I really like the late model 2011-2015 model front ends better in my opinion. I have a 2011 King ranch 350 and I'm really enjoying it. I purchased it used.
I'm curious about do we touch tires with Dewey's in the back how about how they do my doing the weather like snow and stuff I'm just curious thank you Jim
Nice to see the differences between the two. A couple questions that I have is this; 1. would an F350 chassis cab have a frame similar to the chassis cab used in your video or would it be closer to that of the pickup? 2. I've seen F450 trucks with pickup beds on them, do they have the chassis cab frame setup or the pickup frame setup? 3. I would assume part of the reason for the larger wheels on the chassis cab trucks (especially the F450 and F550) is to accommodate larger brakes? Thanks in advance
Ram has had a factory air ride option for years, 1/2 ton all the way to 1 ton. Automatically lowers when parked to make ingress/egress easier, lowers at 65 mph to increase fuel mileage, and can also be raised for those gnarly off-road situations where ground clearance is key.
you forgot to mention adding a airbag or air ride suspension to the cab chassis like they do a semi-truck to soften the ride and you could also do a air ride fifth wheel hitch too makes a big difference
Steve Wilson: replacing the leads with an entire airbag suspension system would improve the ride, however, just adding airbags would do nothing for ride improvement 99% of the time.
Looking to tow a Continental Cargo Car hauler. The primary purpose is to run karting equipment to and from races. We have looked at toy haulers but the car haulers are 9k lbs dry. The car hauler is equipped with a bathroom and bedroom and we have space inside to store karts. Not a ton of weight. This would not be a primary everyday truck. In this application would the Chassis cab work better in a f250 range?
I wish I would’ve seen this video about 3 weeks ago, it would have saved me countless hours of research. I almost stopped a hot shot in his 5500 chassis cab here at the truck stop to ask a lot of the same questions answered here, so I still learned a few things that I had been seeking answers too so thanks! I took a 3500 chassis cab (unfinished without a bed) for a test ride this last weekend... strange, but I really liked the ride! Reminds me of my Harley in a lot of ways, stiff and unforgiving. The question remaining, how I might live with that day to day.
I have a 2021 grand design reflection 337rls. And a 2015 f350 cab and chassis. 9’4 bed. I’ve been using the offset Andreson 5th wheel to gooseneck hitch. It’s a rough ride. Extremely bouncy. Wanting to know if i put a hauler bed on it and a 5th wheel hitch. Will i have enough clearance in the rear to make turns without worrying about the bed smashing into the under belly of the camper
I have the Manual and they said About the towing capacity and it’s very clear. CC ( Chassis Cab ) are not for towing as the pick up truck does. Example F350 CC vs F350 Pick up with 4.10 axle ratio Chassis Cab(Crewcab) = 23,600Lbs Pick up (Crew Cab) = 31.300lbs
the main reason they have different power numbers is because the turbos are different.. the pickup has a variable vain turbo vgt turbo. the cab and chassis has a regular turbo on it.
iv fallow you for some time and have told several people to watch your Channel.. my question is im looking for info on installing a aluminum flatbed on my older 3500 Dodge Ram Dually i want the 5th wheel hitch connections to be under the flatbed witch means a larger hole through the top of the flat bed have you any info on this type of setup I realy like your channel iv watched probably all of it and 2 times
Some parts of the video your hands are prevalent. Sort of distracting. For a fifth wheel you are probably correct, but ask the cabover camper fraternity, especially the heavy 5000-6000 pounds cabovers, and then add a tongue weight of a trailer and the chassis cab with flat bed is more ideal. Overall, good video.
So one note "complaint " about leds. I've noticed where I live- lots of snow in winter, that led tail lights aren't hot enough to melt snow or ice, so essentially we get most new cars that appear to have no tail lights when driving in those conditions. Really dangerous when following (or driving) a white vehicle in low visibility scenarios.
FoodTech Yeremy Thank you for calling my complaint dumb through your own ignorance. I think you're from the south or don't drive long distances when it's snowing. I am ridiculously thorough when brushing snow off my vehicles, one of my pet peeves. But most who drive in the white stuff know it will accumulate on the rear of the vehicle over many miles depending on many factors and conditions. My vehicles that have standard incandescent bulbs will keep my taillights mostly clear from buildup.
You dive at any real speed in a snow storm the back of the car is all white from the air wake whipping up light stuff.. tail lights and all. I have leds on my flat bed and normal incandescent on my car and work van, they all are white on the back every storm. And this is in New Hampshire, im not getting into a dick measuring contest with our states snow fall, but we get a ton of fuckn snow.
@@yermoffroad if you have regular bulbs you're lights will keep the lens warm enough to keep snow and ice from covering them. I have done snow removal and made many long 100+ mile drives in nasty snow storms. Rarely does snow cover my lights. This is in ny snow. Where we get over 10 feet per year.
Good information. I like the options with the purchase of the pickup, but want to ditch the bed and install a hauler style bed. Are there many issues with attaching a hauler bed on a regular pickup frame? We live in Southern California so any information on vendors of hauler beds would be appreciated.
Just got a cab and chassis F350 DRW Diesel for hot shot. Would there be any significant considerations when upgrading from the 17inch wheels as far as truck configuration? Perhaps speed gauge or even engine programing? I have the 4:10
Why are chassis cab rated to tow much less than their pickup truck counterparts? Is this because of different turbos or different certification methods (chassis vs dyno)? For example, the 2014 f350 6.7l drw 4x2 chassis cab is rated to tow 16,100 fifth wheel where as the same pickup truck is rated to tow 23,900 fifth wheel. Will the chassis actually be able to tow 23,900 but it is just certified different because of EPA? Thanks. -Interested 2014 chassis cab owner
I want to get a 450 chassis only what would be you opinion on that if I added a hydrolic lift on the rear for motorcycles. The lift will fit on a truck with a bed as well but I though it would be better without the bed to save on weight since adding the lift.
have a 3500 chassis cab with steel flatbed, use mainly for towing 24' stock trl or 30' flatbed, short on power and poor on fuel, need to make the H.O. engine an option for cab & chassis, or make the dual tanks optional for pickup version, like having 74 gallon fuel capacity when towing, you don't have to stop for fuel always, can the cab & chassis detune of hp & torque be undune besides the deleting & chipping?
Thanks for the knowledge at 94 I’m still learning
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huh, i never knew there were differences I just thought they are all trucks just some didn't have the bed on them
Good comparison video! Disagree with the "harsh ride" statement @8:55....but only when unloaded. If it's a dedicated "3 car wedge" puller or a "hotshot" truck, the more weight on the load, the smoother the ride. Ask any semi trucker and they'll tell you their rig rides like a bumpy old horse carriage when empty, but the weight it's designed for smooths out the ride significantly. But, as a 23 year class A driver, I'M gonna tell anyone to forget about buying equipment for moving cars. It's too many headaches. Get into equipment moving instead and go with the heavier truck. It costs a little bit more but makes a lot more money and is ultimately less work and less maintenance on the truck, which is built heavier duty than the pickup. I started with a pickup and a year later realized I was doing the same work as a semi driver but for less pay, and so I got into specialized stuff that not only paid better, but was easier to keep up with and less frustrating. If less than 30% of your miles are pulling a trailer, get the pickup. If more, go with the heavier truck. Thank you for your videos!!
Your 30% rule is spot on!!! Very Well Said!!!
A 450 pickup would have been a better comparison but still a lot of useful info. Love your channel!!
Rich Z: thanks! actually, oddly enough, it would have been a slightly worse comparison had it been a F450 Pickup. Mainly because the F450 pickup has less leaf springs and a lower payload capacity than the F350 and Very slightly higher max gooseneck towing than the F350. The main advantage of the 450 is the steering radius due to the wider track.
Big Truck Big RV I'd still op'd for the 450 pick up over the 350. The payload is lower because the truck is heavier. Ford wanted to keep it at 14k gvrw so the payload is less. It's not as if the truck can't handle the weight.... It wouldn't surprise me if the rear leafs packs were same
firebry23 bigger rearend in the F450 and it rides better than my old 2002 2500HD does.
can get them with air bags
What about a pt 2 on hauler beds in general? Say a 5th wheel prep for a regular bed vs replacing stock bed with hauler bed. Just for Full time 5th wheel travelers/towers
For me it came down to price, the only time I drive my truck is when I'm towing something. I purchased my Dodge 3500 cab and chassis for $41,000 out the door with an aluminum flat bed. Pickup trucks that were of the same size were anywhere from $69 to $73.
chaskott3 yay Dodge!
can you get a pick truck,then take off the bed, and sill get 900lbs feet torque? Over a chassis cab with that De tuned
diesel?
You could always pull your bed, but you would then have to custom fabricate your own, and you wouldn't have the payload capacity of the chassis cab. HP and Torque are sexy, but payload is why you buy a truck.
or you could buy a tuner, the engines and transmissions are completely the same.. I mess with tunes on our trucks for testing purposes(International trucks), some people want 430hp, some people want 600hp... I put a fire truck tune on our trailer shunter, its' over 600hp :)
Where did you get it for 42?
Good information that you put out there. I would never think of the chassis cab for the 5th wheel. But I'm glad you had some great points.
wow never knew there were so many differences between the two
Wow didn't now that
Good video, well put together. The chassis cab springs.... just the picture of them made me go take an Advil.
Very very informative. I learned a ton from this video. You did an awesome job explaining the differences. Nice job, thank you.
Thanks for the info. Was considering a chassis Cab to do my RV hauling and had the same questions. Thanks
There is a place near here that removes the box and installs a custom hauler chassis. This way you get all of the pick up options that you would not get in a chassis cab configuration.
You said it right at the end. The best option I would think would be a Pickup with a Hauler bed. Plus, with a hauler bed, no one will ask you to help them move.
Every time i look for a truck to do some towing with I always come back to this video. Helps me decide. Good video thanks
a simple (tho expensive) solution to the harsh chassis-cab ride is to get a Link UltraRide rear Air Ride suspension system. it outright replaces the leaf springs, and it functions just like a lighter-duty version of big rig suspension. The only downside is the cost at roughly 5k w/o install. Its a great system, and thats coming from someone with a 1986 f350 Chassis-Cab.
gotta get those 750's outta the picture... I was salivating the whole vid 😝😝😝
Geez Joe: and you weren't the one standing next to them :)
I know, right? How much FUN would that be???!!!!
You should make a video on semi truck vs f650 or f550. For big towing across the country
My '88 f250hd gives a bumpy ride too.
Throw a ton or more in the bed, & it rides like a cadillac!!
Still another awesome video. Learned a lot!!!
When I sell my house, I'll be buying a whole rig. Going Nomad!!!
I'm planning on a custom built bed to carry tools & other gear. And an f450 or even f550 to do the pulling.
I'm not in a hurry. 330 horses is plenty for me. Nor do I need all the bells & whistles. Just more stuff to break. I'm leaning toward something between an XL & XLT. Simple but nice. I never cared much about keeping up with the Jones'.
I'm still doing my homework right now. And your videos are a TREMENDOUS HELP!!! Thank you, & do keep them coming.
I also welcome advice & suggestions from any full-time RV'r's out there.
Thanks & God Bless!
If there's a dodge ram cummins sport appearance packaged truck in your area, could u do a review on it? Good video too
The RAM is a Death Trap lol
Cesar Abraham how is it a death trap?
Good point about transferring the vibrations to the trailer. I wonder if there's hitches that can help with that. One reason for considering a chassis cab is that it provides you more choice when looking on the used market. Dualies tend to be fewer, more expensive, have more miles, and are generally more beat up, so it helps to be able to broaden the search to find a value.
There are air ride hitches and even air ride pin boxes. For the hitches, look up ET Hitch, Comfort Ride, Trailer Saver, just to name a few.
Air hitch solves all of those issues
Thanks for doing your videos. I really Injoy them. you always good info and reviews. You have really opened my eyes about trucks and towing 5th wheeels
Eric Anderson: Glad I can help!
Good review. Well explained. Thank you
Changing gear ratio is about $800 per axle. About to change my 2014 F-450 pickup from 4.30 to to 5.38 axle ratio.
that sir was very interesting. great job
One addition... When mentioning fifth wheel you should've specified fifth wheel camper. If you're towing a fifth wheel car trailer or equipment trailer for instance youre probably not worried too much about the vibrations transferring to the trailer as opposed to having a smoother riding pickup
2:43 Aye! Medfield MA ambulance! That’s where I live!
There’s a dash cam RUclips, it’s been years since I’ve seen it, guy with a chasis cab has a flat bed, with a 2 door small car pulling a bumper pull Rv, if I find it I’ll post it here
F. W. Look on bug bmx I’m not sure if that is the video but he did something similar
You ever find that video?
I think cost vs how long vs miles per length of time you plan on keeping it. And if you have a business where during the week you haul a multi car trailer or etc. And use it personally to haul your 5th wheel or boat on the weekend
Love your channel, i just had to comment about your last comparison about which is better for towing a 5th wheel? You chose the pickup version primarily because it drives better without 5th wheel which doesn't really compare the attributes of hauling a 5th wheel.
Call me crazy but the chassis cab is a no brainer. Thanks for the video.
All interesting pros and cons. I think big companies would buy the chase and different gear ratios depending on their job. the chase truck is more for businesses than consumer. reg duel truck fits the bill for majority of your needs.
A couple things to add, standard on a pickup, a pickup comes with a spare tire mounted underneath the truck at rear of truck. On a cab and chassis a spare tire is not a standard option. Yes you can get a spare tire and wheel but 2nd problem comes is there is no storage location for the spare like there is on a pickup. This was the ultimate reason why when I was researching and picking out my truck I opted for the pickup. I know a lot of cab and chassis that have spare tires will mount them up on the headache rack or mount inside the utility / service bed and just my personal opinion that is very tacky. If I have a spare tire on the headache rack one I can not use the headache rack for conduit, tuning, pipe, unistrut etc. and two with a spare tire on the headache rack I and very limited on installing certain tool boxes suck as a knaack job site chest, the larger the gang box or tool box the more likely the lid is to hit the spare tire if mounted on the headache rack. On a pickup where the spare tire is located in between the frame at rear of truck, well on a cab and chassis the fuel tank is located in that location. To myself personally when deciding on my f450 this is what ultimately lead to my final decision of a pickup. Now on a cab and chassis you can get several chassis lengths, this is called “CA” which stands to cab to axle. All ford 8 foot pickup beds have a 56 inch “CA” cab to axle. Ford has several CA lengths such as 60 inch CA, which accommodates a 9 foot bed, and 84 inch CA, which accommodates a 11 foot bed, and I believe ford even offers a 108 inch CA which I believe is only available in a single cab, I may be speaking incorrectly here but I believe the 108 inch CA will accommodate either a 14 or 15 foot utility bed. With the single cab this is the largest wheel base offered between a f350 and a f550 in a cab and chassis of 205 inches, the maximum wheel base offered for a f450 to f550 is 203 inches which consist of a crew cab truck and 84 inch cab to axle, 11 foot bed. One other difference between a cab and chassis and a pickup is on a XL trim level pickup or cab and chassis fog lights are not an option, XLT pickup fog lights are not standard although is and optional feature with the correct package. Cab and chassis XLT not an option, for a cab and chassis the lowest trim level where fog lights are offered on a C&C is a lariat. a C&C truck is typically a work truck 90% of the time, in my personal opinion fog lights are a great tool and feature to have on any trim level and also a safety feature. On a C&C lariat one feature that is standard for the lariat is the seats automatically come as leather, for a work truck leather will just get damaged and this is coming from someone who takes very great care of my vehicles. These are just a few of the reasons why I decided to go with a pickup for my work truck instead of a C&C. Just my personal opinion I love so many of the features and options available on the pickup XLT trim level, one time ford definitely hit right was the ability to have as an option to have carpet delete, meaning rubber flooring. Although one feature I would absolutely love to have I’m an XLT for a work truck is optional vinyl seats. As a work truck you get dirty and nasty working, I don’t need cloth seats to just get dirty. I love being able to easily wipe down my vinyl seats and back on the road. XLT I’m my opinion would be the overall best trim level to have as a work truck, power folding mirrors, keypad entry are just a few options not available on an XL, I have been tempted before to purchase an XLT and pull the cloth seats out and put vinyl seats in myself. I can go on and on about the Ford super duty’s.
Great point about shock and vibration being transferred into the 5th wheel. I hadn't thought of that. I guess if you really need the tongue weight capability of a chassis cab for an enormous 5th wheel, you ought to spring for an air ride hitch.
This is an amazing breakdown
Who knew? Lots of info that i never knew about! Well presented.
As a person whose owned both I prefer the chassis cab as I am not one to daily a 1 ton. I bought it for a reason. That chassis cab will pull heavier loads better and be a lot smoother doing it then a pickup ever will. They are like basket balls when they are unloaded I will give you that. But you can take a leaf or 2 out and still be stiffer than a truck and have close to the same unloaded ride. But I also carry 70 gallons of diesel in a tank on the bed which helps too
Chassis Cab spine buster
open c-rails don't bust spines.. nor their own back. Seems the sales guys skipped over the tractor trailer traits necessary to get out of the boys with fat tires on a 1/8th inch frame. I got so mad at pickups, I weld my half ton beyond the 1 ton....for decades.
David P12 iiii
I bought a 2015 F450 Lariat pickup, to pull my 40 Foot 26,000 LB 5th Wheel........ no problem :)
That's the Real Deal
Hot shot???
i seen quite a bit of suspension problems with the F550 back in 2005.Wore tires out like crazy.Good thing is it was owned by my buddy and not me.lol
Hah, that was fast turnaround time... thank you! :D
Brilliant work! Keep it up!
*WOW! Thank you for this, it is right on time and I learned much.*
I like the bed fenders on the new F350 trucks. Reminds me of the dually fenders on the OBS models.
Very informative. Answered a lot of questions. Great channel.
This made me feel better about my recent purchase!
Are you still open to showing viewers trucks on your channel and what we use them for?
Darrick: I sure am
Great information and ways to make set up your vehicle
hi, great video, great information. realy thanks for sharing.
Great informative video!!!
OK, my take away: Full Time living hauling all your possessions....Chassis cab with hauler body. You can load that body up with various heaver items; plus dual fuel tanks (more weight); ride should be OK. Longevity. Price. All the knick knack options unimportant to me. Retired seeing the country...lumbering down the road is fine with me.
Question? In mountain country, with proper gearing, the chassis cab the better choice?
one thing I can tell you with my experience working at a car dealer, an auto auction and a repo company. I have learned that if you are willing to pay for it, companies will do it. you can get a chassis cab king ranch edition if you are willing to spend the 120k+ for it.
Very good info
GREAT VIDEO! I didn't know most of those differences!
You should also mention that there are options available to assist with the dampening of the shock to the fifth wheel by using one of the optional air ride suspension hitches or by simply changing out the rear suspension on the cab and chassis truck to use airbags thus giving you the option to adjust the ride height of both the truck and the trailer.
Very informative and many thanks for the great video
Very informative, thanks..!
At least with ford, the chassis cab truck is de tuned down to about 600 tq vs at 450 with a bed with over 900 tq. I drive a 2017 350 chassis cab and towing a 30’ lowboy works just fine but SLOW.
15 Silverado 3500 with a 3 car gets it done. Trailer sits higher than I would like but it works
Great educational experience, thanks!
Well done.
For me its the chassis with a flatbed because i often need pallets of brick and concrete while still pulling a dump trailer for work
Thank you for this video. Just yesterday I was wondering which type of truck would be best for hauling a late boat. At least now I have something to work with.
Ram 5500 6.7cummins 6spd manual with DPF delete is your best option.
As always great videos, to the point, clear and very informative.
You forgot transmission options, I would go for the chassis cab to get a top loader gear box. Also you could spec air suspension and get it as a glider kit to boot.
Very informative, I learned alot
Great Video love my 1997 F-Superduty 450
Flatbed with gooseneck adapter 👊
I don't care for the led lights around the headlights. The frontend looks good other than that to me. I really like the late model 2011-2015 model front ends better in my opinion. I have a 2011 King ranch 350 and I'm really enjoying it. I purchased it used.
Can you do video on tongue weights and trailercapacities thank you very much love your videos
I'm curious about do we touch tires with Dewey's in the back how about how they do my doing the weather like snow and stuff I'm just curious thank you Jim
so a cab and chassis with a shock absorber attached to the goosneck would be perfect! bonus if trailer is air ride since you can pull more
Nice to see the differences between the two. A couple questions that I have is this;
1. would an F350 chassis cab have a frame similar to the chassis cab used in your video or would it be closer to that of the pickup?
2. I've seen F450 trucks with pickup beds on them, do they have the chassis cab frame setup or the pickup frame setup?
3. I would assume part of the reason for the larger wheels on the chassis cab trucks (especially the F450 and F550) is to accommodate larger brakes?
Thanks in advance
they offer a after market air ride susp kit. makes it ride like a car but can still tow the weight.
mark Robedeau which one? Cause I would love something like that for my 350
yea, which ones? do tell !
Ram has had a factory air ride option for years, 1/2 ton all the way to 1 ton. Automatically lowers when parked to make ingress/egress easier, lowers at 65 mph to increase fuel mileage, and can also be raised for those gnarly off-road situations where ground clearance is key.
www.autoflexsuspensions.com
you forgot to mention adding a airbag or air ride suspension to the cab chassis like they do a semi-truck to soften the ride and you could also do a air ride fifth wheel hitch too makes a big difference
Steve Wilson: replacing the leads with an entire airbag suspension system would improve the ride, however, just adding airbags would do nothing for ride improvement 99% of the time.
Would I be better of getting a C&C for mounting a heavy truck camper (let's say 5 thousand lbs) vs a regular dually pickup with the tailgate off?
Looking to tow a Continental Cargo Car hauler. The primary purpose is to run karting equipment to and from races. We have looked at toy haulers but the car haulers are 9k lbs dry. The car hauler is equipped with a bathroom and bedroom and we have space inside to store karts. Not a ton of weight. This would not be a primary everyday truck. In this application would the Chassis cab work better in a f250 range?
Great Tips Good Stuff 👍😀
Another good video thank you
Would love to see this with Ram.
I wish I would’ve seen this video about 3 weeks ago, it would have saved me countless hours of research. I almost stopped a hot shot in his 5500 chassis cab here at the truck stop to ask a lot of the same questions answered here, so I still learned a few things that I had been seeking answers too so thanks!
I took a 3500 chassis cab (unfinished without a bed) for a test ride this last weekend... strange, but I really liked the ride! Reminds me of my Harley in a lot of ways, stiff and unforgiving. The question remaining, how I might live with that day to day.
Love the wide track front suspension on my f350,thing turns circles around my 97 reg cab.
TShull: Yep. I've compared the 2016 F450 (mine) to a 2017 F350 Dually and I have about 4' shorter radius than the 2017.
Off topic but do you run any fuel additives?
I have a 2021 grand design reflection 337rls. And a 2015 f350 cab and chassis. 9’4 bed. I’ve been using the offset Andreson 5th wheel to gooseneck hitch. It’s a rough ride. Extremely bouncy. Wanting to know if i put a hauler bed on it and a 5th wheel hitch. Will i have enough clearance in the rear to make turns without worrying about the bed smashing into the under belly of the camper
I have the Manual and they said About the towing capacity and it’s very clear. CC ( Chassis Cab ) are not for towing as the pick up truck does.
Example F350 CC vs F350 Pick up with 4.10 axle ratio
Chassis Cab(Crewcab) = 23,600Lbs
Pick up (Crew Cab) = 31.300lbs
the main reason they have different power numbers is because the turbos are different.. the pickup has a variable vain turbo vgt turbo. the cab and chassis has a regular turbo on it.
iv fallow you for some time and have told several people to watch your Channel.. my question is im looking for info on installing a aluminum flatbed on my older 3500 Dodge Ram Dually i want the 5th wheel hitch connections to be under the flatbed witch means a larger hole through the top of the flat bed have you any info on this type of setup I realy like your channel iv watched probably all of it and 2 times
Go for the chassis cab with a Kellerman (or other) air ride suspension.
Great review.
good info...
Some parts of the video your hands are prevalent. Sort of distracting. For a fifth wheel you are probably correct, but ask the cabover camper fraternity, especially the heavy 5000-6000 pounds cabovers, and then add a tongue weight of a trailer and the chassis cab with flat bed is more ideal. Overall, good video.
jim mallery: I don't disagree with you at all.
That was very helpful
So one note "complaint " about leds. I've noticed where I live- lots of snow in winter, that led tail lights aren't hot enough to melt snow or ice, so essentially we get most new cars that appear to have no tail lights when driving in those conditions. Really dangerous when following (or driving) a white vehicle in low visibility scenarios.
#1Lazer that's a dumb complaint. normal lights don't melt snow or ice, and your supposed to clean your car off in the first place.
FoodTech Yeremy Thank you for calling my complaint dumb through your own ignorance. I think you're from the south or don't drive long distances when it's snowing. I am ridiculously thorough when brushing snow off my vehicles, one of my pet peeves. But most who drive in the white stuff know it will accumulate on the rear of the vehicle over many miles depending on many factors and conditions. My vehicles that have standard incandescent bulbs will keep my taillights mostly clear from buildup.
You dive at any real speed in a snow storm the back of the car is all white from the air wake whipping up light stuff.. tail lights and all. I have leds on my flat bed and normal incandescent on my car and work van, they all are white on the back every storm. And this is in New Hampshire, im not getting into a dick measuring contest with our states snow fall, but we get a ton of fuckn snow.
And led headlamps are VERY dangerous to oncoming traffic
@@yermoffroad if you have regular bulbs you're lights will keep the lens warm enough to keep snow and ice from covering them. I have done snow removal and made many long 100+ mile drives in nasty snow storms. Rarely does snow cover my lights. This is in ny snow. Where we get over 10 feet per year.
It looks like the Hauler beds would allow the truck to rotate 90 degrees under the trailer, does a pickup bed mounted hitch allow that much?
Good information.
I like the options with the purchase of the pickup, but want to ditch the bed and install a hauler style bed. Are there many issues with attaching a hauler bed on a regular pickup frame? We live in Southern California so any information on vendors of hauler beds would be appreciated.
That's good to know. Thanks
Just got a cab and chassis F350 DRW Diesel for hot shot. Would there be any significant considerations when upgrading from the 17inch wheels as far as truck configuration? Perhaps speed gauge or even engine programing? I have the 4:10
Why are chassis cab rated to tow much less than their pickup truck counterparts? Is this because of different turbos or different certification methods (chassis vs dyno)? For example, the 2014 f350 6.7l drw 4x2 chassis cab is rated to tow 16,100 fifth wheel where as the same pickup truck is rated to tow 23,900 fifth wheel. Will the chassis actually be able to tow 23,900 but it is just certified different because of EPA? Thanks. -Interested 2014 chassis cab owner
I want to get a 450 chassis only what would be you opinion on that if I added a hydrolic lift on the rear for motorcycles. The lift will fit on a truck with a bed as well but I though it would be better without the bed to save on weight since adding the lift.
Very informative video!
Another great video
What has a higher GCWR, the f450 with a pickup bed or the f550 chassis? What is the max conventional and fifth wheel tow capacity with crew cab?
have a 3500 chassis cab with steel flatbed, use mainly for towing 24' stock trl or 30' flatbed, short on power and poor on fuel, need to make the H.O. engine an option for cab & chassis, or make the dual tanks optional for pickup version, like having 74 gallon fuel capacity when towing, you don't have to stop for fuel always, can the cab & chassis detune of hp & torque be undune besides the deleting & chipping?