So I got a Ninja 650 2021 and my brother got a Yamaha R7 2022 two days after I got mine. While I love the look of his R7 , it’s very aggressive with the seat and foot peg positioning. It’s also less comfortable for me because I can’t flat foot on the R7. My brother says my ninja is more comfortable, he can flat foot it and the friction zone is easier to reach sooner and he prefers it. Another thing that I like about mine over his, it’s a lot easier to get a phone mount. I used the Rokform mount. For the R7, you have to get additional pieces to install a phone mount. Both bikes are very nice but I’m very happy with my Ninja 650 which I spent 9.6k for while my brother spent a little over 12k for his R7. He loves his bike as well and the best part is we can always trade bikes for a day if we ever want to switch it up.
@@darthkarroto2183 r7 definitely more powerful than a 650, and 650 is a much better beginner bike, while a r7 is an amazing 2nd bike. if you have experience riding tho, you could make an r7 work as a first bike.
If you are thinking about actually getting into track riding or are wondering which one will handle better in the twisties, it will be the R7 all day. A better and more comfortable commuter, ninja 650. Really simple.
You’d definitely feel 6hp difference. I think it boils down to which riding position you prefer. If you’re looking for a more aggressive position the r7 is better. If you’re looking for more of a commuter bike with a more relaxed geometry the Ninja is better.
Just put a deposit down on an R7 yesterday. I'd have been fine with my Ninja 400 I got earlier this year if I didn't know about the R7. Ever since finding out about it it's been on my mind so finally making the jump. I had an R3 years ago and this gives me the slim vibes it had, just a bigger package. Can't wait to have it.
@@Kwackajack this bike was selected with my Dad , as he had and loved motorcycles most of his life. Unfortunately he passed away earlier this year , the number plate on the bike now is dedicated to him so he's with me on every ride. This bikes handling is just mint. So it's a keeper for life. # Derestricted
@@balak3142 have you heard of deleting a diesel where you remove the emission control devices. Basically the reason you would want to do that is because it gives you about 50% better gas mileage, the same applies to gas engines, but they will only gain about 10% from removing the cats and any mufflers.
For us shorter guys, the Ninja seating position gives wonderful ergos and confidence with the ability to flat foot the bike. The engine has all the power that you need on the road, and I speak as a longtime Harley rider. Love the Ninja display, too. The Ninja is a great value.
I was 100% all aboard the Ninja 650 train a few months ago (still havent gotten my first bike). But the more i look at the R7, the more stunned i am at its soft curved beauty and velvet dark blue shade. The curves from the nose to the knee is just, magnificent. Unbroken, clean, perfect angle matching with the riders arms tucked down. I dont think i can look at a Ninja 650's jaggedy zigzag lines anymore.
The R7's ergos are so aggressive that I'd probably just get an MT07. Kawasaki did it right. If I could get the R7 engine in the in an R3-like bike that would be perfect.
@Christian Hansen I have the Ninja 400. Best decision I've ever made. I might get the 650. Idk. If it costs more for maintenance I might just get another 400
@@josephbouchard9221 I’m on the R3 and very comfortable on it. My brother has an MT07 and it is not comfortable for the long trips. The R7 could have just been a slightly longer R3 with the 07’s engine and pegs an inch or so back and voila. At least that would be the perfect bike for me… Otherwise there really is no point in making the r7 instead of the r6 if not for comfort.
good comparison, i didnt know the r7 was street focussed, i am and always will be a kawasaki fanboy lol and i am waiting to get my license and bag a 650.
Quite some time later but I just wanted to commend you on a nice comparison of two bikes I'll never consider. Being nearly 50 and with knee problems which would probably lead me to be uncomfortable on any sport bike I was still interested in watching your review all the way through. Cheers from the US.
I'm 52. I have a Ninja 650. Have you actually sat on the Ninja? Unless you are 6'3 or taller, you should feel pretty comfortable on it. I think you may be surprised by the Ninja. The R7, would be uncomfortable., due to the high foot pegs.
Nice comparison, thanks. I will definitely stay with my 2021 Ninja 650. A lot of fun, comfortable, very cool design, fast enough for me, and a good fuel range of about 190 miles average riding on a 4.0 gallon tank from full to 0.3 gallons left. Plus the TFT bright display dash is a big improvement IMO over my old 2008 Ninja 250R analog dashes, as it also has a clock now. The R7 is nice, but considerably more expensive for that smaller fuel tank range IMO.
Awesome review Kwackajack 👏 great content mate. As per our previous conversation are you able to do a review on the Kawasaki Ninja 650 vs Kawasaki Ninja 400 ergos for us taller and bigger riders. Thanks mate
I definitely am sold for the Ninja 650. I'm NOT ready for the track and I don't know if I'm into the track scene but I am definitely looking into getting me a sports bike for sure. I have a 2015 Kawasaki Vulcan custom 900 I love it for the Cruise but finding myself wanting to have more acceleration than just torque. But the torque is fun SOUNDING but love to have more thrill. Then maybe later I may trade my Kawasaki Vulcan custom 900 in for an adventure bike. So much choices out there.
Thanks for that review. I’ve been thinking definitely Kawasaki for me. Just one question, can you get Kawasaki 650L derestricted in Australia or do you have to buy a new Kawasaki 650? Can you get a blue slip and have it re registered?
@@colbyd.5044 do it it’s in my profile pic the other bike is a 2021 thats my brothers bike I’m about to put some led lights in it the wings and a few more upgrades it’s gone be sick 💪🏾
@@colbyd.5044 this bike is fast bro it’s power is in low gear you can pass cars with no problem etc I love it my goal is to get the 636 next and later on zx10 r and if my bank account allows me the hr2 🤣🤣
@@Brooklynsavo hey man at least knowing what you want greatly increases the likelihood you’ll make it happen! I was leaning towards the r7 but I think I’ll stick with the 650 for my first street bike and eventually work up to a super sport. Slap a fender eliminater on it with a yoshimura exhaust and I should be good! Any other recommendations for mods on it?
My daughter is 5'11" and looking for a beginner bike for little in town use and lots of touring riding with back road twistes. This comparison doesn't cut it. Sounds like the Kawi
I have a 13 ninja 650 and it’s a great bike especially for a brand new rider like me it’s comfortable for commuting, traveling and keeps up fairly well on group rides on the weekends.
If I wanted to lean up as far as one must to ride the yamaha, I would get a Kaw. 636 and have a proper 4 cyl. bike. That being said, got the Kaw. because is so comfortable...
Honestly I don’t know why Yamaha made a parallel twin with such low profile specs for a track ! Even though I’m not sure if a lot of potential Ninja owners would do a cross-shopping for R7, Kawi’s 650 family is going to see an unprecedented competition and threat - Trident 660, Tiger Sport 660, Upcoming 650 CC Cruiser from RE and this R7 !
I think they are straight up cashing in on the 'lower' powered sportbike popularity we are seeing right now with the likes of the RS660, Trident, Ninja 650 etc
European and Australian specifications they sell them with the same specs in the US. So they don’t end up making three different bikes for three different markets.
I would definitely choose the R7 for the suspension and brakes are much better and I think the R7 looks much nicer that being said the ninja 650 is a great bike for the price I like them both
I agree with all of this. I used to own an 2001 R-1. Loved it, but do not need a 1000 class bike. Before my R-1, I owned a Honda Nighthawk 659 that I loved too. I really like the R-7, except not a huge fan of the single headlight or the price tag. I like the signature colors, R-7 in blue and Ninja 650 in the KRT green. In the end, I bought a 2022 Ninja 659 KRT edition. Pick it up next week and I am so excited. I preferred the CBR500 over the CBR650 and it really came down to the Ninja 650 versus the R-7. Honestly, I probably would have gone with an R-7, but finding one was impossible! Just like Yamaha boats, lucky I was able to get one those. Yamaha shorted some dealers and it seemed most, if not all, we sold already as pre-orders. My dealer here in KC got a truckload of Kawasaki sport bikes from a dealer back East who doesn’t do sport bikes. Came down to matte grey or the KRT green. Thank you so much for the reviews and video!
Can I ask you how’s with the 6 ft. tall guy like me. I’m choosing between Honda cbr650, Ninja 650 and R7. Is Ninja too small for me? I need it for city and a longer tour. I’m a beginner but I’m married and old enough to know my limits.
R7 win on: looks, ergonomics (if you are not a casual), reliability, agility, torque, higher HP, weight, quick shifter, brakes, exhaust sound, upside down forks, fully adjustable suspension, wider rear tire. Ninja 650 win on: ergonomics (if your a casual), price, dash, blue tooth. No competition R7 blows Ninja 650 away. The price difference is $600 I would buy the R7 for value alone. R7 you'll most likely be able to own for longer because it's simply better, track ready, and a stunt monster. PS. I am biased.
Yes you are biased. So am I. The 650 is proven to be reliable, the R7 has not yet. 650 wins in price, ergos (most ppl ride on the road, not track), comfort, versatility (road, track or touring), tft dash, and cheaper maintenance and insurance costs. This makes the 650 a much better VALUE, and that's what's important.
When doing those videos, can it be added a section about costs and intervals for scheduled maintenance? I ask because I commute long distance and it could be a deciding factor if for example the valves have to be done every 15k miles or 25k.
R7 is better in term of performance or so. But it is made for 6 ft tall people. For inseam challenged people like myself, I will stick with my Ninja 650 all the way. If I want more power, I will go with Triumph Street triple R Low instead.
You can change the brake line and upgrade the suspension to negate the pros of the R7 and still at a cheaper price. Yamaha's lighter weight is probably due to a smaller tank of 3 litres less with shorter range. I would go with kawi any day.
What a lot of people don’t understand about this new R7 is that’s it’s not based on the original it is based on the mt07 and is a parallel twin for torquey usable power not screaming top end like the old one
I guess I just hadn't thought very hard about it, but I had no idea you could have a crossplain p2. Infact, I'm still not sure why or even how you'd do that on a twin. Good video. I wouldn't enjoy either.
I own NInja 650, it is good bike with most comfortable seating posture. Overall it lacks inline 4 performance like CBR650R and electronics of Aprilla RS6. Brakes are decent but without KLCM,KCMF the safety on cornering becomes risky. Without Steering dampers chances of tank slappers are also high. A bike with specs like ZX 6R with seating position like ninja 650 is what is missing for bike to be called as true sports + tour genre
@No_Name Not really way faster. I’ve had my 400 go 123 on flat ground. I am smaller than most in weight but I am 6’1. If you wanna spend and extra 4,000 grand to go 10 mph faster be my guest but you rarely go that fast anyways so ninja 400 all the way. If it was between the ninja and r7 that’s a different story.
My opinion : for the design and style i find the yamaha much better looking bike except the front looks weird with that light it's feels like they wanted something like the Ninja zx6r front vent idk and the yamaha front shield or whatever is called is smaller?? And its feels like it 90° and the thing bother me about the almost all the ninjas is that huge mirrors and the sides design looks no clean and hard to customize it but also the ninja have one of the best front design specialy the zx6r
Jus got the r7 last week as a new rider…I don’t have the experience to give an opinion on better or worse…but for my first bike it has exceeded all my expectations💨🤷🏾♂️
@@darthkarroto2183 nah this is the first bike I’ve ever rode. Felt extremely comfortable after moving around a bit in 1st/2nd it did kick me a couple of times but it wasn’t the power, I didn’t have any fitness in the throttle or clutch. So I got surprised a few times💨 but im stupid happy with it. Gonna be recording a video today about my first ride and initial thoughts. Hop over the the channel and check for it within the next couple of days if you find time.
pricing definitely does make a huge difference.. but regardless i still chose the 2024 R7 because its a way better twisties bike. if i want comfort for a daily then ill get a cruiser
Kawasaki is street focused, the ergos are upright (too upright for me), lack of adjustability on the front forks, (should have used an upside down forks.) the seat height is low for riders to tip toe, the handle bar set high, the Yamaha on the other hand is more oriented to the track, the weight is lighter, the usd forks offers adjutability, the H.O model offers more power, the seat height is higher for more tucked in riding position. Correct me if Im wrong.
I think it's a tad little ity bit of an unfair comparison. Yamaha created that R7 from market research from their consumer regarding what motorcycle would they enjoy the most. The R7 is a newcomer meant to stir up it's section of the market and bring more people to Yamaha. The Ninja 650 is an older tried and true platform. The R7 comes from the also legendary MT07 platform. A more fair comparison imo would be if Kawasaki updated the Ninja 650 to compete with the R7. I'm not saying it's not worth the time to compare these motorcycles but to me the Ninja is a more touring long distance vehicle whilst the R7 is more of an actual supersports. I'm a Kawasaki fanboy but I would choose the R7 for it's sportier purpose.
Fuck no, the R7 is not a supersports, less than 100hp, a trans in make up and dress is still a trans, don't get me wrong it's a good bike but definitely not supersports.
@@shino8854 haha OK you're right. It's more like training wheels for a supersports. A very good introduction to sports riding. Calm your tits man. Haha
@@shino8854 Lol, horsepower is only part of the equation. The ergos are equally important. A Harley PanAmerica has well over 100hp and it's definitely not a supersport. The r7 has aggressive ergos and much improved frame/suspension from the mt07. Maybe it's not a supersport, but I think it's closer than you're giving it credit for.
I do like Kawasaki 650 looks very nice,i should think it will handle very well,going with my experience with the ninja 400 which i can't fault appart from the seat
Yamaha is always going to win in sound. Like, they make pianos... Toyota contracted Yamaha to tune the exhaust on the LFA, in my opinion the GOAT of v-10 sounds
If you want a motor that is cheap and also has power and of course it looks fierce on the road then go for the ninja 650..but if you have a budget and you want it, it looks a bit expensive and has more to offer at the end then go for the r7. That's how simple🥵
Not sure if you can compare them though. Seeing as 650 is basically a touring bike and the r7 having nearly as aggressive ergonomics as the r6 plus having all the power in the redline🤷🏽♂️
R7 definitely doesn't have all its power at redline. Had an fz07 for 3 years and the motor is actually thrashy high in the rpm range....have a ninja 650 and that bike actually revs better in higher in the rev range....the Yamaha engine does have significant more grunt in the low end....but the power band seems shorter vs the kawasaki
I got the 60th anniversary r7 A month later I swapped it for the ninja 650l The 650 L is so much better for every day riding and travelling and gives plenty of power r7 was not a comfy bike definitely made for track
Waiting for R7 in India. But the point is its price, if it comes around 10,0000 then R7 will fail in Indian market because CBR 650R inline 4 rules this price segment and no one can beat it.
For me it would be the ninja, im now 50 so the more upright ergonomics my back would be gratefull for. id rather a bike i didnt want to get off than a bike after just 20 mins i NEED to get off. though the R7 looks cool i think the single bulb as a headlight looks ridiculous, the rest of the bike looks great, its just too forward leaning for me.
I just picked up a write off 2018 Ninja 650, basically to use the engine for a buggy. After looking over a few other smashed Ninjas, the fairings and plastics in general on the 650 are a very over complicated design,the smallest of drops can write off the bike. Why make the side fairing out of 4 main panels that use weak clips to hold together. When will manufacturers start to build simple design aero fairings like they did in the 90s. One drop of a side stand can turn a 13k bike into a 1k parts bike.
Yeah having had both bikes, the R7 i a decent new comer middleweight bike, but where it shines is in the hands of serious riding. The ninja 650 has no adjustability with suspension (go ahead, TRY to adjust the pre-load on the shock, its impossible), its heavy, its bland, but looks nice on the outside and the digital dash. The R7 on the other hand has a better chassis, better/adjustable suspension, a better feeling and sounding engine that is WAY less touchy than the 650. The R7 is less comfortable on the street, but on track its PERFECT. If you want a sporty looking commuter and thats it? 650. If you want a sportbike that can grow you into a better/faster/more skilled rider, then the R7 has exactly what you need. For the extra $2k price, the suspension and brakes alone make the R7 worth it.
Great job on the comparison. Very professional and regarding the features I'm interested in. Also...it was surprising to see these compared...not any more of course...but it made me click.
I love the ninja because of the tft and the ninja styling but the clip ons the bike needs to go as it is way too high for me.If I buy a ninja then I will change the clip ons
As someone the grew up in Australia where you can’t take a shit without government say so….I LOVE living in America…..here’s your bike license go buy whatever you want…if you die that’s one you. No Ls no Ps no restrictions whatsoever!!!!
It would be the ninja for me. Im now 50 and dont want to be breaking my back the ninja looks more rider friendly for a daily. If i wanted the full race experience i wouldn't bother with the R7 ID INSTEAD GO GET ME AN R1.
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So I got a Ninja 650 2021 and my brother got a Yamaha R7 2022 two days after I got mine. While I love the look of his R7 , it’s very aggressive with the seat and foot peg positioning. It’s also less comfortable for me because I can’t flat foot on the R7. My brother says my ninja is more comfortable, he can flat foot it and the friction zone is easier to reach sooner and he prefers it. Another thing that I like about mine over his, it’s a lot easier to get a phone mount. I used the Rokform mount. For the R7, you have to get additional pieces to install a phone mount. Both bikes are very nice but I’m very happy with my Ninja 650 which I spent 9.6k for while my brother spent a little over 12k for his R7. He loves his bike as well and the best part is we can always trade bikes for a day if we ever want to switch it up.
The perfect yin and yang. I think. Lmao
Which engine sounds better?
@@erevos1986 r7 by far not even close
How different is the power output on both bikes and is this both of your guys first bike or no?
@@darthkarroto2183 r7 definitely more powerful than a 650, and 650 is a much better beginner bike, while a r7 is an amazing 2nd bike. if you have experience riding tho, you could make an r7 work as a first bike.
If you are thinking about actually getting into track riding or are wondering which one will handle better in the twisties, it will be the R7 all day. A better and more comfortable commuter, ninja 650. Really simple.
You’d definitely feel 6hp difference.
I think it boils down to which riding position you prefer. If you’re looking for a more aggressive position the r7 is better. If you’re looking for more of a commuter bike with a more relaxed geometry the Ninja is better.
Props of having different currencies on the price. Fairly balanced insight on both bikes. 👌
Just put a deposit down on an R7 yesterday. I'd have been fine with my Ninja 400 I got earlier this year if I didn't know about the R7. Ever since finding out about it it's been on my mind so finally making the jump. I had an R3 years ago and this gives me the slim vibes it had, just a bigger package. Can't wait to have it.
Thanks so much for the info! I love my Ninja 650 and feel confident I made the right choice
Well I've been riding a 2015 650L for nearly 2 years now and absolutely love it. Loved the video comparisons. Great work !
Glad you enjoyed it! Do you have any desire to upgrade?
@@Kwackajack this bike was selected with my Dad , as he had and loved motorcycles most of his life. Unfortunately he passed away earlier this year , the number plate on the bike now is dedicated to him so he's with me on every ride. This bikes handling is just mint. So it's a keeper for life. # Derestricted
@@balak3142 emissions in india are not at all strict that is why
@@balak3142 have you heard of deleting a diesel where you remove the emission control devices. Basically the reason you would want to do that is because it gives you about 50% better gas mileage, the same applies to gas engines, but they will only gain about 10% from removing the cats and any mufflers.
Hey sorry I was wondering how u derestricted it
Ninja 650 ALL DAY EVERYDAY!!
Your comparisons are best on RUclips
Glad you like them!
I love the aggressive look of the R7 I’m definitely getting that bike
Just get a used r6
@@uhhhhh3056 I’m not from America or wherever your from, so why would you suggest getting a used R6 rather?
@@manush60 faster and cheaper than the R7
@@uhhhhh3056 Prob not cheaper, also as a beginner bike I would prefer slower R7, I'm new, so correct me if I'm wrong.
@@uhhhhh3056r6s uncomfortable ash
For us shorter guys, the Ninja seating position gives wonderful ergos and confidence with the ability to flat foot the bike. The engine has all the power that you need on the road, and I speak as a longtime Harley rider. Love the Ninja display, too. The Ninja is a great value.
I was 100% all aboard the Ninja 650 train a few months ago (still havent gotten my first bike).
But the more i look at the R7, the more stunned i am at its soft curved beauty and velvet dark blue shade.
The curves from the nose to the knee is just, magnificent. Unbroken, clean, perfect angle matching with the riders arms tucked down.
I dont think i can look at a Ninja 650's jaggedy zigzag lines anymore.
Lol i got a personal joke about ninjas. 😅 they’re built to look like the word Kawasaki.
The R7 is one of the most gorgeous bikes on the road today, absolutely stunning.
The R7's ergos are so aggressive that I'd probably just get an MT07. Kawasaki did it right. If I could get the R7 engine in the in an R3-like bike that would be perfect.
Being short and cheap I would go with the Ninjas lower seat and cheaper price.
Has a lot more torque though.
@Christian Hansen I have the Ninja 400. Best decision I've ever made. I might get the 650. Idk. If it costs more for maintenance I might just get another 400
I was so hoping R7 would get Ninja 650 seating position instead of the uncomfortable one seing as it's meant to be more of a road bike
Look at the MT 07
@@josephbouchard9221 I’m on the R3 and very comfortable on it. My brother has an MT07 and it is not comfortable for the long trips.
The R7 could have just been a slightly longer R3 with the 07’s engine and pegs an inch or so back and voila. At least that would be the perfect bike for me…
Otherwise there really is no point in making the r7 instead of the r6 if not for comfort.
good comparison, i didnt know the r7 was street focussed, i am and always will be a kawasaki fanboy lol and i am waiting to get my license and bag a 650.
Get a 636
Thank you for this useful video. I was considering both bikes but I am sold on the Ninja
Quite some time later but I just wanted to commend you on a nice comparison of two bikes I'll never consider. Being nearly 50 and with knee problems which would probably lead me to be uncomfortable on any sport bike I was still interested in watching your review all the way through. Cheers from the US.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm 52. I have a Ninja 650. Have you actually sat on the Ninja? Unless you are 6'3 or taller, you should feel pretty comfortable on it. I think you may be surprised by the Ninja. The R7, would be uncomfortable., due to the high foot pegs.
Late reply but try the ninja 400. The riding position is very comfortable and a lot of people your age have commented that they love it.
Just got a 22 Ninja 650 and just saw the vid,good work and thanks
Nice comparison, thanks. I will definitely stay with my 2021 Ninja 650. A lot of fun, comfortable, very cool design, fast enough for me, and a good fuel range of about 190 miles average riding on a 4.0 gallon tank from full to 0.3 gallons left. Plus the TFT bright display dash is a big improvement IMO over my old 2008 Ninja 250R analog dashes, as it also has a clock now. The R7 is nice, but considerably more expensive for that smaller fuel tank range IMO.
Awesome review Kwackajack 👏 great content mate. As per our previous conversation are you able to do a review on the Kawasaki Ninja 650 vs Kawasaki Ninja 400 ergos for us taller and bigger riders. Thanks mate
I'll try look into it!
@@Kwackajack cheers mate very much appreciated 👍 and I'm sure there are a ton of us out there that would appreciate it too.
I definitely am sold for the Ninja 650. I'm NOT ready for the track and I don't know if I'm into the track scene but I am definitely looking into getting me a sports bike for sure.
I have a 2015 Kawasaki Vulcan custom 900 I love it for the Cruise but finding myself wanting to have more acceleration than just torque.
But the torque is fun SOUNDING but love to have more thrill.
Then maybe later I may trade my Kawasaki Vulcan custom 900 in for an adventure bike.
So much choices out there.
Thanks for that review. I’ve been thinking definitely Kawasaki for me. Just one question, can you get Kawasaki 650L derestricted in Australia or do you have to buy a new Kawasaki 650? Can you get a blue slip and have it re registered?
I had bought a ‘07 ninja 650, and loved every minute of it
I just brought a 2022 ninja 650 a few weeks ago and loving it kawi 🙌🏾
Hell yeah and the same design I’m looking to get as well!
@@colbyd.5044 do it it’s in my profile pic the other bike is a 2021 thats my brothers bike I’m about to put some led lights in it the wings and a few more upgrades it’s gone be sick 💪🏾
@@Brooklynsavo hell yeah bro my only question would be is it pretty fast?? Does it feel like it has plenty of get up and go low to mid?
@@colbyd.5044 this bike is fast bro it’s power is in low gear you can pass cars with no problem etc I love it my goal is to get the 636 next and later on zx10 r and if my bank account allows me the hr2 🤣🤣
@@Brooklynsavo hey man at least knowing what you want greatly increases the likelihood you’ll make it happen! I was leaning towards the r7 but I think I’ll stick with the 650 for my first street bike and eventually work up to a super sport. Slap a fender eliminater on it with a yoshimura exhaust and I should be good! Any other recommendations for mods on it?
My daughter is 5'11" and looking for a beginner bike for little in town use and lots of touring riding with back road twistes. This comparison doesn't cut it. Sounds like the Kawi
Kawasaki blows
I have a ninja 650 2020 and I would go back and pick the ninja again. Well said about the track and road experiences
I have a 13 ninja 650 and it’s a great bike especially for a brand new rider like me it’s comfortable for commuting, traveling and keeps up fairly well on group rides on the weekends.
The heart says Yam for the looks & breaks, the head says Kawa for everything else. Simple or maybe not 🤔
Kawasaki is cheap on maintenance and price for the bike.
@@sambeezy007 That needs to be considered too, if you are on a tight budget ;)
@@WolfgangVonKempelen838 Yep. That's why I went Kawasaki. I got the 400.
If I wanted to lean up as far as one must to ride the yamaha, I would get a Kaw. 636 and have a proper 4 cyl. bike.
That being said, got the Kaw. because is so comfortable...
Own a 2022 ninja 650.
Stand by my choice.
Great bike.
Very comfy.
Am old. (56 yr. old.)
Doesn't hurt me to ride...
Honestly I don’t know why Yamaha made a parallel twin with such low profile specs for a track ! Even though I’m not sure if a lot of potential Ninja owners would do a cross-shopping for R7, Kawi’s 650 family is going to see an unprecedented competition and threat - Trident 660, Tiger Sport 660, Upcoming 650 CC Cruiser from RE and this R7 !
I think they are straight up cashing in on the 'lower' powered sportbike popularity we are seeing right now with the likes of the RS660, Trident, Ninja 650 etc
European and Australian specifications they sell them with the same specs in the US. So they don’t end up making three different bikes for three different markets.
The color way on the ninjas are always badass
I would definitely choose the R7 for the suspension and brakes are much better and I think the R7 looks much nicer that being said the ninja 650 is a great bike for the price I like them both
I agree with all of this. I used to own an 2001 R-1. Loved it, but do not need a 1000 class bike. Before my R-1, I owned a Honda Nighthawk 659 that I loved too.
I really like the R-7, except not a huge fan of the single headlight or the price tag. I like the signature colors, R-7 in blue and Ninja 650 in the KRT green.
In the end, I bought a 2022 Ninja 659 KRT edition. Pick it up next week and I am so excited. I preferred the CBR500 over the CBR650 and it really came down to the Ninja 650 versus the R-7. Honestly, I probably would have gone with an R-7, but finding one was impossible! Just like Yamaha boats, lucky I was able to get one those.
Yamaha shorted some dealers and it seemed most, if not all, we sold already as pre-orders. My dealer here in KC got a truckload of Kawasaki sport bikes from a dealer back East who doesn’t do sport bikes. Came down to matte grey or the KRT green.
Thank you so much for the reviews and video!
2018 ninja 650 still good? got it @ 4500$ 17k odo body still in pristine battleship grey and has full sys exhaust
ninja 650 for me here. better everyday. r7 if i was a track junky.
Ninja 650 2021 looks better,and the seating position comfortable!
Same I have back issues and the more upright position for me is just more comfortable and the price in the US 🇺🇸 Is the Ninja wins all day long
I'm thinking 650. Let's me have the ability to have fun, commute, and travel--all in one.
Lams wise should I go for the ninja 400 or 650?
Can I ask you how’s with the 6 ft. tall guy like me.
I’m choosing between Honda cbr650, Ninja 650 and R7.
Is Ninja too small for me? I need it for city and a longer tour.
I’m a beginner but I’m married and old enough to know my limits.
Really depends on your proportions, definitely try and sit on each bike. I’m fine at 6ft on the ninja 400
R7 win on: looks, ergonomics (if you are not a casual), reliability, agility, torque, higher HP, weight, quick shifter, brakes, exhaust sound, upside down forks, fully adjustable suspension, wider rear tire.
Ninja 650 win on: ergonomics (if your a casual), price, dash, blue tooth.
No competition R7 blows Ninja 650 away.
The price difference is $600 I would buy the R7 for value alone.
R7 you'll most likely be able to own for longer because it's simply better, track ready, and a stunt monster.
PS. I am biased.
Yes you are biased. So am I. The 650 is proven to be reliable, the R7 has not yet. 650 wins in price, ergos (most ppl ride on the road, not track), comfort, versatility (road, track or touring), tft dash, and cheaper maintenance and insurance costs. This makes the 650 a much better VALUE, and that's what's important.
636 motor in 650 frame. Perfection for me.
Do you still own a ninja400? Yes I too will go with the Ninja650,seems it has a much better front lighting system as well.
Which one is good at quick over taking of cars when riding in the city?
Ninja all the way I love my 07 650r. The r7 is forsure a really nice bike thou and would be awesome to own one.
When doing those videos, can it be added a section about costs and intervals for scheduled maintenance? I ask because I commute long distance and it could be a deciding factor if for example the valves have to be done every 15k miles or 25k.
Does kawasaki resolve an issue with 650 engines valves? This is first question before consider any of this 650s lineup
I would take the ninja 650 too, cuz not everyday is a track day, unless you buy the yamaha R7 just for tracking
R7 is better in term of performance or so. But it is made for 6 ft tall people. For inseam challenged people like myself, I will stick with my Ninja 650 all the way. If I want more power, I will go with Triumph Street triple R Low instead.
You can change the brake line and upgrade the suspension to negate the pros of the R7 and still at a cheaper price. Yamaha's lighter weight is probably due to a smaller tank of 3 litres less with shorter range. I would go with kawi any day.
Once you put a full exhaust on the R7 RIP the 650
What a lot of people don’t understand about this new R7 is that’s it’s not based on the original it is based on the mt07 and is a parallel twin for torquey usable power not screaming top end like the old one
I guess I just hadn't thought very hard about it, but I had no idea you could have a crossplain p2. Infact, I'm still not sure why or even how you'd do that on a twin. Good video. I wouldn't enjoy either.
I own NInja 650, it is good bike with most comfortable seating posture. Overall it lacks inline 4 performance like CBR650R and electronics of Aprilla RS6. Brakes are decent but without KLCM,KCMF the safety on cornering becomes risky. Without Steering dampers chances of tank slappers are also high.
A bike with specs like ZX 6R with seating position like ninja 650 is what is missing for bike to be called as true sports + tour genre
I'd like an inline 4 Ninja 400.
Im still not sure for my 1st bike will be if i wanna buy Ninja 400 or 650. That wont be for probably another yr or so. Wanna buy it strait out
400 is better
would recommend 400 since 650 isnt much faster and isnt worth it for the price.
I understand you dilemma but man I can honestly recommend the 400. It’s got more than enough peer and it’s not restricted like most 650s are
@No_Name Not really way faster. I’ve had my 400 go 123 on flat ground. I am smaller than most in weight but I am 6’1. If you wanna spend and extra 4,000 grand to go 10 mph faster be my guest but you rarely go that fast anyways so ninja 400 all the way. If it was between the ninja and r7 that’s a different story.
I went ninja, more by default cause they didn’t have the R7 available but I don’t regret the decision
Could you throw a comparison between Ninja 650 vs 400 and whether it's worth for extra power and price?
Idk why people would spend $14k on a 2cylinder open class when you can have a 4 cylinder open class bike for $2k more. ZX6R BABY!!!
My opinion : for the design and style i find the yamaha much better looking bike except the front looks weird with that light it's feels like they wanted something like the Ninja zx6r front vent idk and the yamaha front shield or whatever is called is smaller?? And its feels like it 90° and the thing bother me about the almost all the ninjas is that huge mirrors and the sides design looks no clean and hard to customize it but also the ninja have one of the best front design specialy the zx6r
Will the ninja 650 fit me? I'm 6 foot 6 inches at 215 pounds.
R7 looks soo good.
NINJA all the way
Jus got the r7 last week as a new rider…I don’t have the experience to give an opinion on better or worse…but for my first bike it has exceeded all my expectations💨🤷🏾♂️
Does it feel like to much power
@@darthkarroto2183 nah this is the first bike I’ve ever rode. Felt extremely comfortable after moving around a bit in 1st/2nd it did kick me a couple of times but it wasn’t the power, I didn’t have any fitness in the throttle or clutch. So I got surprised a few times💨 but im stupid happy with it. Gonna be recording a video today about my first ride and initial thoughts. Hop over the the channel and check for it within the next couple of days if you find time.
@@JvstDana I’ll definitely watch the video thanks for replying
@@darthkarroto2183 💯man thank you for the support ✊🏽
@@JvstDana just let me know when u post it
@Tyler there both great bikes 🏍 but it all comes down to ergonomics my friend and experience
pricing definitely does make a huge difference.. but regardless i still chose the 2024 R7 because its a way better twisties bike. if i want comfort for a daily then ill get a cruiser
I just want to know how the 270 sounds compared to the 180... it's hard to really hear it on videos
Kawasaki is street focused, the ergos are upright (too upright for me), lack of adjustability on the front forks, (should have used an upside down forks.) the seat height is low for riders to tip toe, the handle bar set high, the Yamaha on the other hand is more oriented to the track, the weight is lighter, the usd forks offers adjutability, the H.O model offers more power, the seat height is higher for more tucked in riding position. Correct me if Im wrong.
Also I’ve heard tucking on the 650 is weird because of the so upright position
Can you travel cross country on a 650 ?
Very easily
Taking my stock 650 to the track this weekend, will let you know if I beat any R7 bois
Did you beat any R7?
I think it's a tad little ity bit of an unfair comparison. Yamaha created that R7 from market research from their consumer regarding what motorcycle would they enjoy the most. The R7 is a newcomer meant to stir up it's section of the market and bring more people to Yamaha. The Ninja 650 is an older tried and true platform. The R7 comes from the also legendary MT07 platform. A more fair comparison imo would be if Kawasaki updated the Ninja 650 to compete with the R7. I'm not saying it's not worth the time to compare these motorcycles but to me the Ninja is a more touring long distance vehicle whilst the R7 is more of an actual supersports.
I'm a Kawasaki fanboy but I would choose the R7 for it's sportier purpose.
Fuck no, the R7 is not a supersports, less than 100hp, a trans in make up and dress is still a trans, don't get me wrong it's a good bike but definitely not supersports.
@@shino8854 haha OK you're right. It's more like training wheels for a supersports. A very good introduction to sports riding. Calm your tits man. Haha
@@shino8854 Lol, horsepower is only part of the equation. The ergos are equally important. A Harley PanAmerica has well over 100hp and it's definitely not a supersport. The r7 has aggressive ergos and much improved frame/suspension from the mt07. Maybe it's not a supersport, but I think it's closer than you're giving it credit for.
I do like Kawasaki 650 looks very nice,i should think it will handle very well,going with my experience with the ninja 400 which i can't fault appart from the seat
Bro wich better for high way?
I’m a fan of the ninja 650, but I hate that staple green color. I wish they made other colors more available at my local dealerships.
im 188 cm talll you think im to tall for the ninja ?
I think the Ninja looks better but I’d have the Yammie 🔥
first person i've heard prefer the ninja
Go to the eye doctors immediately lol
Yamaha is always going to win in sound.
Like, they make pianos...
Toyota contracted Yamaha to tune the exhaust on the LFA, in my opinion the GOAT of v-10 sounds
damn Kawasaki really should of kept the single rear shock around, shit was legendary.
If you want a motor that is cheap and also has power and of course it looks fierce on the road then go for the ninja 650..but if you have a budget and you want it, it looks a bit expensive and has more to offer at the end then go for the r7. That's how simple🥵
R7 all the way. But between r6 and zx6r I'd go with the zx6r without thinking twice.
Not sure if you can compare them though. Seeing as 650 is basically a touring bike and the r7 having nearly as aggressive ergonomics as the r6 plus having all the power in the redline🤷🏽♂️
R7 definitely doesn't have all its power at redline. Had an fz07 for 3 years and the motor is actually thrashy high in the rpm range....have a ninja 650 and that bike actually revs better in higher in the rev range....the Yamaha engine does have significant more grunt in the low end....but the power band seems shorter vs the kawasaki
Yamaha fanboy here! JL99 spartan!
I got the 60th anniversary r7 A month later I swapped it for the ninja 650l The 650 L is so much better for every day riding and travelling and gives plenty of power r7 was not a comfy bike definitely made for track
The R7 looks soooo much better in every way.
Waiting for R7 in India.
But the point is its price, if it comes around 10,0000 then R7 will fail in Indian market because CBR 650R inline 4 rules this price segment and no one can beat it.
The R6 was perfect. Ive wanted one for a while. Sadly now that will only be possible through the second hand market
They will be back or a replacement will follow shortly.. The R7 is a sport touring, not a pure sport bike.
What year R6 was that? Lots of variables, especially carb Vs EFI.
I'd like to see you do duke 390 vs Kawasaki z400. 🙂
Already done mate!
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@@Kwackajack Thank you!
For me it would be the ninja, im now 50 so the more upright ergonomics my back would be gratefull for. id rather a bike i didnt want to get off than a bike after just 20 mins i NEED to get off. though the R7 looks cool i think the single bulb as a headlight looks ridiculous, the rest of the bike looks great, its just too forward leaning for me.
That cp2 sound makes me shiver, and not in a good way. To each their own I guess.
Lacking the magic of the R6
@@Kwackajack Speaking of lacking magic, the 650 sounds like a lawn mower.
@No_Name LOL... tell that to Harley riders. It's you that are mistaken.
@No_Name The topic is SOUND, not origin. That's why I said all twins don't sound like lawnmowers. Stay on topic or you are irrelevant...
Kawasaki should just offer a 650 with a bigger break package adjustable suspension that’s really all Yamaha did
kawi is bringing out a SE version of the z650.. would be nice if they did that with the ninja too
@@Kwackajack any source to confirm this? I cant find anything online
I just picked up a write off 2018 Ninja 650, basically to use the engine for a buggy. After looking over a few other smashed Ninjas, the fairings and plastics in general on the 650 are a very over complicated design,the smallest of drops can write off the bike.
Why make the side fairing out of 4 main panels that use weak clips to hold together.
When will manufacturers start to build simple design aero fairings like they did in the 90s.
One drop of a side stand can turn a 13k bike into a 1k parts bike.
Yeah having had both bikes, the R7 i a decent new comer middleweight bike, but where it shines is in the hands of serious riding. The ninja 650 has no adjustability with suspension (go ahead, TRY to adjust the pre-load on the shock, its impossible), its heavy, its bland, but looks nice on the outside and the digital dash.
The R7 on the other hand has a better chassis, better/adjustable suspension, a better feeling and sounding engine that is WAY less touchy than the 650. The R7 is less comfortable on the street, but on track its PERFECT.
If you want a sporty looking commuter and thats it? 650.
If you want a sportbike that can grow you into a better/faster/more skilled rider, then the R7 has exactly what you need.
For the extra $2k price, the suspension and brakes alone make the R7 worth it.
Can you see yourself doing Deliveroo/UberEats delivery driving on the Ninja?
Quick note, I actually did Uber Eats on the Ninja 400 for a few weeks back when I first got it. Worked fine
Ninja 650 is only 8k in canada and im definitely getting one as a first bike
Ninja is better
Great job on the comparison. Very professional and regarding the features I'm interested in. Also...it was surprising to see these compared...not any more of course...but it made me click.
why can't you unrestricted the yammy?
well all I can say iz I bought the R7 anniversary celebration 60th n I luv it 😜🌙
I love the ninja because of the tft and the ninja styling but the clip ons the bike needs to go as it is way too high for me.If I buy a ninja then I will change the clip ons
As someone the grew up in Australia where you can’t take a shit without government say so….I LOVE living in America…..here’s your bike license go buy whatever you want…if you die that’s one you. No Ls no Ps no restrictions whatsoever!!!!
It would be the ninja for me. Im now 50 and dont want to be breaking my back the ninja looks more rider friendly for a daily. If i wanted the full race experience i wouldn't bother with the R7 ID INSTEAD GO GET ME AN R1.
Ninja's design looks old, while R7S design is futuristic