God created a perfect universe. Lucifer fell into sin and tempted man into sin which causes a curse to come on the earth. We are living in a fallen world. The way we react to this fallen world displays the Gospel of Jesus Christ to other people.
Hi,just something to look at, Lucifer isn't Satan, the King of Babylon is, read a chapter or two(remember also there is no english punctuation)( and no chapter's or verses in the original writings which were added as a study guide/aid- 15th century), passage about Lucifer for context.Cheers.
The Holy Bible is used to control people and have power over people. Follow their rules or go to hell not true you can believe in God without the Holy Bible. My God is not perfect but am not perfect. My God love people for who they are not who you think people need to be by the Holy Bible pastor. I just want people to know you can believe in God without the Holy Bible.
Gods foreknowledge is like a movie director sitting back and watching the movie be made under the foundation of his rules but allowing the actors to express themselves in the way they see fit for the role. now when the movie is played in full on the screen he already knows what happens because he watched the movie be made before it was turned into a full film. maybe? kinda? bless
God has made all things for himself, even the wicked for the day of destruction, who hears and believes,is saved or never hears and isn't saved is Gods making ,his choice.
I wish this video had been made a long time ago. My son, for all intents and purposes, has completely deconstructed. His sages are Dawkins, Hitchens, and the like now. His deconstruction happened in an undergrad program at SBC seminary. It was only exacerbated when he went to the Holy land with a group from the seminary. On the trip back, my son was sexually assaulted on the plane by a minister affiliated with the seminary and also the president of another Christian educational institution. His arguments are born out of pain and resentment for everything associated with the faith now. My prayers are my only recourse because to venture into an adversarial conversation about God is futile. I use adversarial as a descriptor because I have experienced the evolution of faith conversations with him. How can this be approached without conflict?
Going back to the question about why did God create this evil thing or situation and why does he allow it. You could also ask why do all these people who live in India or Africa etc. Where there is all this suffering and unjust death, you could also ask why do these countries false gods allow all this suffering to there people? Also, why don't they help them? It always seems to be God's fault and not these false gods fault.
Understanding Genesis will definitely make you understand the world in a different manner Play she got to understand that a lot of the things that they can't really explain in archeology were most likely pre-flood
Abraham knew the holy God of creation and his need of God's mercy and salvation long before Jesus came. Every person is without excuse as they see God's power and wisdom in the world He rules and are aware of their need and helplessness by the conscience He placed within them and the drawing of the Holy Spirit, so even the people in remote places who don't have missionaries bringing the Gospel in their lifetimes will know enough to acknowledge their sin and rely on God's grace and provision to save them.
In my understanding God doesn't judge us because of our sin. Rather God judges us because 1) He is the sovereign creator king and his role is to execute justice and righteousness in his kingdom, and 2) he is looking for worthy people to be part of the new eternal age to come.
Ok, but what happens to the people who died before someone who could bring the word reaches them? I think of heavily secluded indigenous tribes, living far off grid. I imagine back then it would have taken a lot of time to reach them or find them before they could receive the word. Or what about the infamous Sentinelese tribe who refuse to accept outsiders on their island?
personally I think you're judged according to how much you know. If you haven't seen the gospel, but have responded to the natural revelation of God in nature, I think God understands. Now I may be wrong, and God certainly doesn't owe us anything, but his nature is to be all loving and I think he understands. Or perhaps he doesn't let them see the gospel because he knows they will reject it? There's quite a few theories.
William Lane Craig creates doubt not disciples. Why would a true man of God spend his life telling people “millions of years”? He sounds more like the enemy then a man after Gods heart.
??? The age of the universe has nothing to do with the gospel, so it’s not salvific. Whether the earth is 4,000-5,000 years old or believing it’s millions of year old is never discussed in the Bible. Don’t put God in a box.
@@MishiBeach I don’t just believe millions of years creates doubt I know it creates doubt. It’s creeps in slowly and discounts the Power of our HOLY GOD.
Nope. The question of whether or not there is an objective morality is not a valid response to the Problem Of Evil, since the Problem Of Evil is an internal critique. RPL fails again.
Here is one for you. With over a billion people on earth what makes you think he is only watching YOU! There is no multiplication, no serious possibility that your every action , thought and word could be heard by one single entity! PERIOD!!!
Scripture teaches us that God's Thoughts are greater numbered than the sand(Psalms 139:17-18). Have You ever tried to count sand? I certainly wouldn't recommend it but God's thoughts are more than the number of sand on the Earth. That's deep! So God's sees everything because God is outside of Universe looking into his creation. When a person has built something from ground up they understand it's complete functions because they're the builder/creator. That's what God is.
When asked by Moses of God, who He is, the reply was "I am who I am" I am being the state of being itself. All of reality, the first and the last of everything. God being the very state of being itself, i think it's safe to say by simply existing, we are part of that reality
Gee. If a surveillance computer or satellite is able to oversee billions of people at once, you'd think that the Creator of the entire universe would be able to survey it...
"My free will actions are what is determining what God has always believed." If God's beliefs are dependent on your free will actions, then God is not all powerful. His beliefs are dependent upon your actions. Another Free Will failure from a Christian apologist.
idk man it just sounds like you're triggered. This is what, the 4th comment, yet you don't seem to have run out of any energy. You think that through almost 2000 years of Christian theology, we haven't faced these objections? Yet Christianity has still survived, it's still growing, and it's still true. I wish you the best and that you open your eyes to the truth, but I will suggest not making your arguments look bad through the hyperactive way you're presenting them.
@@themiataboy909 "it just sounds like you're triggered." It sounds like you're desperate. 'You think that through almost 2000 years of Christian theology, we haven't faced these objections? " And after 2000 years, you still can't answer them. "I wish you the best and that you open your eyes to the truth" I already have the truth, child. Good luck with your fairy tales that you can't defend. " I will suggest not making your arguments look bad" Meh. It stumped you.
Just as a father can show restraint of power over his ao , God restrains his power over us by allowing us to do as we please, and hoping we chose the right one path. It would not be loving to create robots who behave exactly as he wants. Also, he’s outside of time…so he sees what we do before we do it. That doesn’t mean he’s controlling it.
"God allows suffering to make us better people in the end." To prepare for what? An eternal life in Heaven where there will be no suffering? Then what is the benefit of having such experiences? And couldn't an all powerful being have created us already having that knowledge? Fail again, RPL.
This boils down to the main gists of the biblical story. Humanity has fallen and chose to abandon God for sin. God has all the rights to doom us to hell, we came from Him after all. Yet God even in this rebellion, still sent His Son to redeem humanity. And suffered a punishment He never deserved. So why are we even complaining in sufferings, if we deserve it fully? Even Christ suffered for us. God allows suffering to teach us lessons, to let us know what it feels like to walk away from Him. To let humanity know what's a world without God. To make us better persons; to learn from mistakes of chosing sin, evil, pride, lying, stealing, cheating, unforgiving, anger, wars, murders, rapes, genocides, corruption, addiction, love of money, malice, injustice, lawlessness... And so on To know all the fruit of these things is suffering. If there is evil, there is suffering. We humans have become evil, so there is suffering. God will need to kill us all, to stop suffering. But He wouldn't interfere with our free will, or else where is now our learning about suffering? Nothing. If God interfered to save a man that is arrogant to ignite fireworks in his hand, that man would repeat it again and again. That man would think, "Ahh!" This is good I'm not harmed at all!... Just like in sin, "Ahh!" Let me repeat this again and again. And will be abusive of God's saving grace. Not knowing what sin really brings. We should know that. Does God don't have any right to show us the truth of sin and evil? We deserve it. Sinning is chosing evil over good again and again. Chosing pleasure over God. One day, the bible says, all of these sufferings would be incomparable to the joy that is coming when Christ appears again, if we believe in Him. And that humanity that believed in His name, has now learned what is it like to love all that God hates, it creates suffering. Yet in that suffering, God suffered with us to redeem us. And now gave us second chance to be with Him again, in eternity without sin, evil and suffering. That is the summarized whole picture of the bible. I hope you learn too, somehow. And that it makes sense for you.
@@richardjames6613 I don't care about the story. Honestly, it's not a very good story. If it were written today, it would never find a publisher. The Lord Of The Rings is a better story. Watership Down is a better story. Read those if you want a good story. "God allows suffering to teach us lessons" And you totally missed the point of my post, didn't you. What use are those lessons going to be for an eternity in a heaven with no suffering. Why could God have just created us knowing the lessons already? Like instincts? Why is it the some people, often those least need character building, are the ones who endure the most suffering? You didn't even try to address those questions. Apparently, you can't. So your religion makes no sense. "I hope you learn too, somehow." I already know more than you. I hope you listen and learn from what I say.
@@cygnusustus. It’s not necessarily a lesson. It’s about choice between choosing good or evil, Father God or Father of Lies, Heaven or Hell. Our choice to believe in His sinless Son(Jesus Christ), allows us to get into a sinless heaven instead of taking the just punishment we deserve from living in sin like the devil. Suffering allows us to see the consequences from living in sin and shows us we are all in need of His Son to redeem us from a fallen nature into Christ nature to live now like it was before the fall of Adam and Eve.
"God would have to take away our free will to prevent suffering." Nope. An all-powerful being could simply have created us in a way in which it is not physically possible to do each other harm. RPL fails again.
Isn't taking away our ability to do something an effect on our free will? Also, regarding the other guy, he has a point. If your argument is that God could make a world where we don't suffer, and then you only address one type of suffering, your suggestion is incomplete. Your logic also wouldn't work for all types of suffering without obviously affecting free will; to remove emotional suffering, God would make us incapable of doing anything that could cause a negative feeling to another. The only way to do that would be to limit our ability to communicate or perceive. Further to that, the argument isn't very good from a theological perspective because sin is supposed to be what has lead to our suffering. Sin being the corruption of God's paradise, which only exists because of our free will and ability to choose the sinful path. I think there are much stronger arguments you could use.
"Belief in God is grounded in good evidence." Yeah, this is the claim that is always made. Then they always fail to provide any evidence. So they recognize the importance of evidence, and wish they had it, but they can only slink away with their tail between their legs when challenged to provide it.
There is plenty of evidence, the issue isnt a matter of evidence it’s the individuals mind. I could ask you what kind of evidence would it take for you to believe in God? You could give me an answer but the answer you give wouldn’t be good enough for the next person. As humans we can never agree. Nothing is ever good enough and we always want more. So the individuals mind and worldview is the issue not the evidence.
@@ColorMeFresh "There is plenty of evidence" Yes, that is what Christians keep telling me. "the issue isnt a matter of evidence it’s the individuals mind" So you're not going to give me any evidence? "I could ask you what kind of evidence would it take for you to believe in God? " So you're not going to give me any evidence? "As humans we can never agree. " So you're not going to give me any evidence? "So the individuals mind and worldview is the issue not the evidence." So you're not going to give me any evidence? Oh well. Thanks for proving my point!
@TheDragonageorigins How 'bout evidence? Observable facts more likely to be true under the hypothesis than not? How 'bout efficacy of intercessorionary prayer? Got any of that? Or eye witness testimony? Anything actually written by Jesus. You know... the sort of evidence an6 omnipotent god would provide? Let's be honest here. Plenty of atheists have told you what kind of evidence would be convincing. You just can't provide any, so you go on lying about how unreasonable atheists are.
Tim Barnett has devoted his life, energy, brain, emotions, and reputation in becoming an apologist, the most annoying group of people on the planet, who winsomely describes just how much eternal conscience torment actually makes sense, all the while with such a happy optimistic attitude. So disturbing.
Just found this channel, and love it!
Appreciate you all bringing on legit people/scholars/apologists and asking the tough questions 🙂
God created a perfect universe. Lucifer fell into sin and tempted man into sin which causes a curse to come on the earth. We are living in a fallen world. The way we react to this fallen world displays the Gospel of Jesus Christ to other people.
Hi,just something to look at, Lucifer isn't Satan, the King of Babylon is, read a chapter or two(remember also there is no english punctuation)( and no chapter's or verses in the original writings which were added as a study guide/aid- 15th century), passage about Lucifer for context.Cheers.
The Holy Bible is used to control people and have power over people. Follow their rules or go to hell not true you can believe in God without the Holy Bible. My God is not perfect but am not perfect. My God love people for who they are not who you think people need to be by the Holy Bible pastor. I just want people to know you can believe in God without the Holy Bible.
@@marcocynicalis484Lucifer is *indisputably* satan.
I think of it this way:
God created the earth.
We created the prison in which we live on earth.
God is the key to release us. 😊
Was sin a part of Gods plan or not?
Gods foreknowledge is like a movie director sitting back and watching the movie be made under the foundation of his rules but allowing the actors to express themselves in the way they see fit for the role. now when the movie is played in full on the screen he already knows what happens because he watched the movie be made before it was turned into a full film. maybe? kinda? bless
God has made all things for himself, even the wicked for the day of destruction, who hears and believes,is saved or never hears and isn't saved is Gods making ,his choice.
🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
I wish this video had been made a long time ago. My son, for all intents and purposes, has completely deconstructed. His sages are Dawkins, Hitchens, and the like now. His deconstruction happened in an undergrad program at SBC seminary. It was only exacerbated when he went to the Holy land with a group from the seminary. On the trip back, my son was sexually assaulted on the plane by a minister affiliated with the seminary and also the president of another Christian educational institution. His arguments are born out of pain and resentment for everything associated with the faith now. My prayers are my only recourse because to venture into an adversarial conversation about God is futile. I use adversarial as a descriptor because I have experienced the evolution of faith conversations with him. How can this be approached without conflict?
Going back to the question about why did God create this evil thing or situation and why does he allow it. You could also ask why do all these people who live in India or Africa etc. Where there is all this suffering and unjust death, you could also ask why do these countries false gods allow all this suffering to there people? Also, why don't they help them? It always seems to be God's fault and not these false gods fault.
Understanding Genesis will definitely make you understand the world in a different manner
Play she got to understand that a lot of the things that they can't really explain in archeology were most likely pre-flood
Abraham knew the holy God of creation and his need of God's mercy and salvation long before Jesus came. Every person is without excuse as they see God's power and wisdom in the world He rules and are aware of their need and helplessness by the conscience He placed within them and the drawing of the Holy Spirit, so even the people in remote places who don't have missionaries bringing the Gospel in their lifetimes will know enough to acknowledge their sin and rely on God's grace and provision to save them.
This channel is so well made and encouraging.
Keep going brother Raj 🙏🏻
In my understanding God doesn't judge us because of our sin. Rather God judges us because 1) He is the sovereign creator king and his role is to execute justice and righteousness in his kingdom, and 2) he is looking for worthy people to be part of the new eternal age to come.
Hello, Does it say this in the Bible?
Ok, but what happens to the people who died before someone who could bring the word reaches them? I think of heavily secluded indigenous tribes, living far off grid. I imagine back then it would have taken a lot of time to reach them or find them before they could receive the word. Or what about the infamous Sentinelese tribe who refuse to accept outsiders on their island?
personally I think you're judged according to how much you know. If you haven't seen the gospel, but have responded to the natural revelation of God in nature, I think God understands. Now I may be wrong, and God certainly doesn't owe us anything, but his nature is to be all loving and I think he understands. Or perhaps he doesn't let them see the gospel because he knows they will reject it? There's quite a few theories.
God’s judgment is perfect
All people go to Heaven. In their own time.
Accepting Jesus doesn't make a difference.
Christianity is false.
All religions are
William Lane Craig creates doubt not disciples. Why would a true man of God spend his life telling people “millions of years”? He sounds more like the enemy then a man after Gods heart.
What hahaha
??? The age of the universe has nothing to do with the gospel, so it’s not salvific. Whether the earth is 4,000-5,000 years old or believing it’s millions of year old is never discussed in the Bible. Don’t put God in a box.
@@MishiBeach I don’t just believe millions of years creates doubt I know it creates doubt. It’s creeps in slowly and discounts the Power of our HOLY GOD.
Read Isaiah 55 in the KJV Bible... Salvation has no shortcuts.
LOL I'm glad I looked for the link I went and tried to search it but it sounded like you said redhead logic
Nope. The question of whether or not there is an objective morality is not a valid response to the Problem Of Evil, since the Problem Of Evil is an internal critique.
RPL fails again.
Here is one for you. With over a billion people on earth what makes you think he is only watching YOU! There is no multiplication, no serious possibility that your every action , thought and word could be heard by one single entity! PERIOD!!!
Seek Him wholeheartedly to find out how ❤
Scripture teaches us that God's Thoughts are greater numbered than the sand(Psalms 139:17-18). Have You ever tried to count sand? I certainly wouldn't recommend it but God's thoughts are more than the number of sand on the Earth. That's deep! So God's sees everything because God is outside of Universe looking into his creation. When a person has built something from ground up they understand it's complete functions because they're the builder/creator. That's what God is.
When asked by Moses of God, who He is, the reply was "I am who I am"
I am being the state of being itself. All of reality, the first and the last of everything.
God being the very state of being itself, i think it's safe to say by simply existing, we are part of that reality
God is not bound by space and time. He is the creator of it
Gee. If a surveillance computer or satellite is able to oversee billions of people at once, you'd think that the Creator of the entire universe would be able to survey it...
"My free will actions are what is determining what God has always believed."
If God's beliefs are dependent on your free will actions, then God is not all powerful. His beliefs are dependent upon your actions.
Another Free Will failure from a Christian apologist.
idk man it just sounds like you're triggered. This is what, the 4th comment, yet you don't seem to have run out of any energy. You think that through almost 2000 years of Christian theology, we haven't faced these objections? Yet Christianity has still survived, it's still growing, and it's still true.
I wish you the best and that you open your eyes to the truth, but I will suggest not making your arguments look bad through the hyperactive way you're presenting them.
@@themiataboy909
"it just sounds like you're triggered."
It sounds like you're desperate.
'You think that through almost 2000 years of Christian theology, we haven't faced these objections? "
And after 2000 years, you still can't answer them.
"I wish you the best and that you open your eyes to the truth"
I already have the truth, child. Good luck with your fairy tales that you can't defend.
" I will suggest not making your arguments look bad"
Meh. It stumped you.
Just as a father can show restraint of power over his ao , God restrains his power over us by allowing us to do as we please, and hoping we chose the right one path. It would not be loving to create robots who behave exactly as he wants.
Also, he’s outside of time…so he sees what we do before we do it. That doesn’t mean he’s controlling it.
@MishiBeach
I never allowed my kids to rape and kill each other.
God sucks as a parent. Somebody should
report him to CPS.
"God allows suffering to make us better people in the end."
To prepare for what? An eternal life in Heaven where there will be no suffering? Then what is the benefit of having such experiences? And couldn't an all powerful being have created us already having that knowledge?
Fail again, RPL.
This boils down to the main gists of the biblical story.
Humanity has fallen and chose to abandon God for sin.
God has all the rights to doom us to hell, we came from Him after all.
Yet God even in this rebellion, still sent His Son to redeem humanity.
And suffered a punishment He never deserved.
So why are we even complaining in sufferings, if we deserve it fully?
Even Christ suffered for us.
God allows suffering to teach us lessons, to let us know what it feels like to walk away from Him.
To let humanity know what's a world without God.
To make us better persons; to learn from mistakes of chosing sin, evil, pride, lying, stealing, cheating, unforgiving, anger, wars, murders, rapes, genocides, corruption, addiction, love of money, malice, injustice, lawlessness... And so on
To know all the fruit of these things is suffering.
If there is evil, there is suffering.
We humans have become evil, so there is suffering.
God will need to kill us all, to stop suffering.
But He wouldn't interfere with our free will, or else where is now our learning about suffering? Nothing.
If God interfered to save a man that is arrogant to ignite fireworks in his hand, that man would repeat it again and again.
That man would think, "Ahh!" This is good I'm not harmed at all!... Just like in sin, "Ahh!" Let me repeat this again and again.
And will be abusive of God's saving grace.
Not knowing what sin really brings. We should know that. Does God don't have any right to show us the truth of sin and evil?
We deserve it.
Sinning is chosing evil over good again and again. Chosing pleasure over God.
One day, the bible says, all of these sufferings would be incomparable to the joy that is coming when Christ appears again, if we believe in Him. And that humanity that believed in His name, has now learned what is it like to love all that God hates, it creates suffering.
Yet in that suffering, God suffered with us to redeem us. And now gave us second chance to be with Him again, in eternity without sin, evil and suffering.
That is the summarized whole picture of the bible.
I hope you learn too, somehow.
And that it makes sense for you.
@@richardjames6613
I don't care about the story. Honestly, it's not a very good story. If it were written today, it would never find a publisher. The Lord Of The Rings is a better story. Watership Down is a better story. Read those if you want a good story.
"God allows suffering to teach us lessons"
And you totally missed the point of my post, didn't you. What use are those lessons going to be for an eternity in a heaven with no suffering. Why could God have just created us knowing the lessons already? Like instincts? Why is it the some people, often those least need character building, are the ones who endure the most suffering?
You didn't even try to address those questions. Apparently, you can't. So your religion makes no sense.
"I hope you learn too, somehow."
I already know more than you. I hope you listen and learn from what I say.
@@cygnusustusDo you believe in the God of the Bible?
@@cygnusustus.
It’s not necessarily a lesson. It’s about choice between choosing good or evil, Father God or Father of Lies, Heaven or Hell. Our choice to believe in His sinless Son(Jesus Christ), allows us to get into a sinless heaven instead of taking the just punishment we deserve from living in sin like the devil. Suffering allows us to see the consequences from living in sin and shows us we are all in need of His Son to redeem us from a fallen nature into Christ nature to live now like it was before the fall of Adam and Eve.
@@nick7977
Of course not. I'm intelligent, well educated, and honest.
"God would have to take away our free will to prevent suffering."
Nope. An all-powerful being could simply have created us in a way in which it is not physically possible to do each other harm.
RPL fails again.
As if all suffering is only physical..you fail..again
@@arionthompson6959
Is SOME suffering physical, child?
You only addressed physical with your amazing mic drop truth bomb..😂😂
@@arionthompson6959
You dodged my question, child.
Try again.
Is SOME suffering physical?
Isn't taking away our ability to do something an effect on our free will?
Also, regarding the other guy, he has a point. If your argument is that God could make a world where we don't suffer, and then you only address one type of suffering, your suggestion is incomplete. Your logic also wouldn't work for all types of suffering without obviously affecting free will; to remove emotional suffering, God would make us incapable of doing anything that could cause a negative feeling to another. The only way to do that would be to limit our ability to communicate or perceive.
Further to that, the argument isn't very good from a theological perspective because sin is supposed to be what has lead to our suffering. Sin being the corruption of God's paradise, which only exists because of our free will and ability to choose the sinful path.
I think there are much stronger arguments you could use.
"Belief in God is grounded in good evidence."
Yeah, this is the claim that is always made.
Then they always fail to provide any evidence.
So they recognize the importance of evidence, and wish they had it, but they can only slink away with their tail between their legs when challenged to provide it.
There is plenty of evidence, the issue isnt a matter of evidence it’s the individuals mind. I could ask you what kind of evidence would it take for you to believe in God? You could give me an answer but the answer you give wouldn’t be good enough for the next person. As humans we can never agree. Nothing is ever good enough and we always want more. So the individuals mind and worldview is the issue not the evidence.
@@ColorMeFresh
"There is plenty of evidence"
Yes, that is what Christians keep telling me.
"the issue isnt a matter of evidence it’s the individuals mind"
So you're not going to give me any evidence?
"I could ask you what kind of evidence would it take for you to believe in God? "
So you're not going to give me any evidence?
"As humans we can never agree. "
So you're not going to give me any evidence?
"So the individuals mind and worldview is the issue not the evidence."
So you're not going to give me any evidence?
Oh well. Thanks for proving my point!
Everytime someone says this and i ask what would convince them, there's never an adequate answer
@TheDragonageorigins
How 'bout evidence? Observable facts more likely to be true under the hypothesis than not? How 'bout efficacy of intercessorionary prayer? Got any of that? Or eye witness testimony? Anything actually written by Jesus. You know... the sort of evidence an6 omnipotent god would provide?
Let's be honest here. Plenty of atheists have told you what kind of evidence would be convincing. You just can't provide any, so you go on lying about how unreasonable atheists are.
@TheDragonageorigins
I accept your concession of defeat, Christian.
U got another subcriber ❤❤❤ Yeshua bless you
Tim Barnett has devoted his life, energy, brain, emotions, and reputation in becoming an apologist, the most annoying group of people on the planet, who winsomely describes just how much eternal conscience torment actually makes sense, all the while with such a happy optimistic attitude. So disturbing.