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Speechless. I suffered stress related degradation in my executive functioning capabilities. At the time I was in a Christian bubble of work and family members who would go silent or have blank faces if I mentioned mental health issues. “God loves you” , “I’ll be praying for you” became to me a disgusting sound and the devaluation exponentially compounded by instability caused rage and bitterness. I’m shocked that someone with that much hair (🤣) knows exactly what’s happening in the church. Thank the gods you’re here.
Omg....this happened to me and left me devastated. I suffered from ptsd and Anorexia/Bulimia that almost took my life back in '91. I had several severe traumas in my childhood that manifested mental illness. The church seemed very supportive while I was hospitalized, but after I was released from the hospital, they did a few sermons on how mental illness was "bunk" and I was in need of adding more prayer and bible reading....and the church clergy could cure me in one visit. I called them out on it, but they continued their stance....so I left. I tried other churches and denominations, but it's all the same crap. I'm grateful I had doctors who helped me and I successfully recovered ....but it was a long road and I give the doctors the recognition and gratitude for being my true strength and support. I'm so glad to deconstruct from such a dangerous and vile cult. Thnx Justin for your work and dedication in a badly needed educational safe place. I never realized how deep the trauma of religion effected me til you and others came along. I thought I was healed, but here I am....still peeling the onion.
No, they church was to lazy to spend the time to walk with you, lay hands on you, listen to you, and give you the time you needed. That’s there bad, not Gods. Sorry you experienced that
My grandma was certifiably batshit crazy. She was on her own level of crazy. My Aunt asked my grandpa why he didn't go get my grandma help. He told her that he talked to his preacher about it and the preacher told my grandpa that she was his cross to bear. His burden to carry.
I spent every single day of my childhood believing that if I missed a day repenting I’d go to hell. If I missed something I’d go to hell. Not necessarily info from my parents either. As a teen I just gave up and figured I was going to hell anyway.
Mental Health help must be a priority for any organization, secular or religious and It's a shame it isn't. Really It's up to us relatives of those suffering to find them help...the 1st step is dialing 911... and record everything in writing of the symptoms or manic episodes and more importantly suicidal or homicidal threats... 2nd step if dialing 911 doesnt help...get an involuntarily hospitalization by a judge... 3rd step get ready for receiving your relative after being released from the hospital, becuase he/she might not want to follow treatment, so go back to step 1... A nurturing home with support from family and friends would help, as well as prayers but ultimately is therapy and medication what works. Blessings to you'all in your journey
I dealt with overwhelming sadness (aka depression) and ideations. My mom told me it was because god gave me the gift of feeling the pain of the world. Which is a bit f-ed up.
So many people develop OCD & anxiety from being Christian but Christians blame it on demons and not an authoritarian religion that tells you the voices in your head are either God or demons and any negative feeling is your fault for not praying hard enough
The non religious "spirit community " also thinks the same way along the lines of doctors and psychiatrists. Its just another form of religion made over claiming to be not religious. I grew up pentecostal left that then when i grew older got involved in new age type spirituality. Im now leaning away from that as well because i had realized its much like religion.
In the new testament Jesus heal a boy with seizure and calmed it was because of a demon I mean the actual F.... You really are an unbelieving and difficult people,” replied Jesus. “How long must I be with you, how long must I put up with you? Bring him here to me.” But even while the boy was on his way, the spirit hurled him to the ground in a dreadful convulsion. Then Jesus reprimanded the evil spirit, healed the lad and handed him back to his father. And everybody present was amazed at this demonstration of the power of God. yeah this passage alone suggest that Jesus had no idea what he was talking about evil spirit don't cause epilepsy dysfunctional brain circuits do
It's sad that you think secular. Therapist and psychologist can actually help people. when in. Fact all they do is affirm everything now From being homosexual to I'm standing etc. dude, do you? From a few years ago? When you were in the Christian stance, you appeared a lot healthier. And quite honestly. Your eyes tell Me that you need to be delivered
“God is a narcissist “ ? Wrong brother, God is empathy” beelzebub is the narcissist. Narcissist seek out to prey on empathetic people so if you were being preyed upon it’s because you have empathy and your empathy allowed it. Empathetic people do not want to see the bad in people until it’s to late. Everything you described about the church is called delusion, not the Holy Spirit. I’m a man of the word of God and I love physiology, I do not hate it at all, because I have empathy, and I seek to fix the broken at the source of one’s problem. The church is made up of broken people as the world as a whole is. God is not the problem, we are, he is the solution. It’s our refusal to take self responsibility that is the main mental issue
*QUESTION:* Does the 'Omnicient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent god'… _…that you want us to believe in…_ …KNOW who goes to heaven, and who goes to 'hell'… …BEFORE he "creates" each person? YES or NO? - I'll wait 🍿
Think about it @777clee... narcissists want ALL the attention and adoration. Narcissists often expect perfection even though they themselves are not perfect. Narcissists will harm others with neither care nor compassion. Your god ticks every box here. To claim he is loving without seeing all the evil he performed in the OT does not line up. Please realise god killed 2.4 million people, excluding the flood victims. Satan killed 10 in the OT. He even called sacrificing children to deities an abomination, yet that is EXACTLY what he did himself! He even said on 4 occasions no man can die for another's 'sins'. So jesus death and supposed sin-cleansing is invalid, according to Torah!!
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 only two people ever went to heaven that I know of, Enoch and Elisha, spared death for there righteousness. Everyone else goes to sleep in the grave until judgement day at the end when we must be resurrected back to life to be judged and be with the living God. And the only ones in hell are the watchers, or sons of God who are chained and bound in darkness, until judgement day. We inherit the earth. Who? Those who except the blood of Christ that pays our wages for sin, and those who are ignorant to Christ for they are not accountable. Who doesn’t? Only ones I can say for sure or those with blood on there hands that did not repent, and those who hear the word and deny it for they are accountable for there own wages.
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 yes, God is the beginning and the end, those are his pronouns not points in time. The spirit of God is that which you call energy, cannot be created nor destroyed, and everywhere at once.. it says he wrote two books before creation, book of life which is a account of everyone’s free will choices the made, they only thing in the world you truly have control over, and the book of truth, his plan for it all. It says he wrote those books while observing it, than placed them before creation to be opened at judgement at the end. Looking at that from our perspective means you made every choice you would ever make before you were created, before creation itself, and judged for those choices. Time is only relevant to that which has a expiration date
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 and I love answering questions so please feel free to ask all that you may have, I’ll wait… JJ, I’m not your enemy friend, and I really would love to answer any questions you have
Remember this, “if a man lives his entire life wicked and in his final hour finds righteousness I will only remember you for your righteousness. But if a man lives his entire life righteous and in his final hour finds wickedness, I will only remember you for your wickedness .” Don’t get lost this final hour my brother
*Christian scientists?* majority of doctors (psychologist / psychiatrist / neurologist / oncologist / pathologist / surgeon / therapist / dentist / etc.), nurses, medical technologists, caregivers, scientists (biologist / chemist / physicist / meteorologist / astronomer / etc.) are Christians probably, 70 to 80 percent are Christians -- around the globe that's why most of the "founding fathers" of science (from genetics to physics) eons ago were mostly Christians it's a known fact ... addendum: most of the educational institutions (school & university) and educators (teacher & faculty staff) were mostly Christians -- even at the dawn of science & technology harvard, oxford, cambridge and many of the topnotch educational system of the glorious past (worldwide) were dominated by Christians revisionism will never be able to alter or cloud these known historical facts
@@jorj4270 citation is not needed you simply just have to visit clinics and hospitals -- in a Christian dominated countries -- and find out for yourself if there is ZERO medical doctor (physician), nurse, therapist, and all that is Christian yes, ZERO population of Christian healthcare specialist or worker in a Christian dominated countries surely, you'll be in for a big surprise with your personal research ... 😁
Love is the meaning of life. Love God with all your heart mind and soul, love thy neighbor as you love thy self. He was alone in total darkness before he created light, and children to love, and love him. To give life, is love, to sacrifice your own life for the ones you love, is the greatest act of love, and why the grave could not hold him. Love the reason for creation, the meaning of life. Brokenness is because of the lack of love which leads to fear and hate, which self destructs and destroys along the way. Love is eternal, everlasting
Let's talk about this god you would have us believe in. You: In the beginning everything ways dark. God sat in the dark on his throne for eons in reflective, philosophical ponderance and reflective thought of god stuff - All perfectly normal god prerogative, I'm fine with all that. God looked around decided how wants company, things are lonely out in space… and he creates us, his cherished children, to love and worship him correct? I just want make sure we're in agreement.
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 yes, God was alone in darkness, not on a throne though. He was the darkness, he said in Isaiah I am the darkness and the light, but he was all love, righteousness, mercy, wise , and just. Love is the most powerful emotion, (and a choice) love conquers all, love gives life not takes it. Love is the only thing that could have always been always will be, because the opposite, hate and fear, sets the course to its own destruction and destroys along the way absolutely. So love alone in darkness desired children to love and Love him. He does not demand to be worshipped, only demands not to worship false idols. How would you feel if your children hated you and loved another? Yes at the end he sits on a throne in light, deservingly for when we sinned, he took responsibility for it, and said, I will have to repent for this which he did in Jesus Christ, his word in the flesh who paid the price, and for that we praise him. For giving us life, and when we lost it, giving his own so that we may find it again. The deceiver in the world is the one who wants a throne and forced worship. You have the two confused
@@777clee The bible says this supposed god also is a creator of evil. Oops, can't have it both ways. One of them is a lie, which is it❓ Further, we're to believe that this supposed "god" is PERFECTION - A PERFECT state of BLISS and PEACE at all times. And yet we're told this "god" is *not* blisfull at all times and is NOT in a state of PERFECTION, bliss, serenity and peace at all time. It is jealous, hateful, sad, vengeful, NEEDY at times. "Needing love or needing ANYTHING is not a state of perfection! Those are traits of what flawed humans do... Those are NOT states of god perfection. Either your god never ceases from a state of PERFECTION, and is this god it claims… …or the stories are made up by men, projecting. An EXTREMELY common thing that humans do. Which is it❓
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 God is perfection, I’ll explain. Energy, water, are eternal elements, always was and always will be, which in scripture he said he is the spirit of. Good and evil are eternal knowledge, and a choice to be made. Life you can’t measure darkness only the absence of light, or you can’t measure coldness only the absence of heat. To measure death, is the absence of God and love. For there to be a choice there has to be at least two options. Duality. What defines white which is all colors, black which is no color. Where love gives life, absence of sets the course to its own destruction. If death exist than eternal must, and if absence of love destroys itself absolute, than total love would be the eternal emotion. God always was all love, righteous, merciful, and just. He was alone in darkness, wanting light and children, that choose to love him and each other back because it’s the only way to be eternal. God is all things, but he was never evil. Never sinned. When man is killing man it angers him. When man loves another god it makes him jealous. And when innocent blood is spilled it cry’s to him for justice. He does everything in his power short of Tampere with free will to get the people to stop it before he has to stop it, however when he does, it’s 100% justifiable, and because of the love of the innocent not the hate for the wicked. In order for his Children to be in his image is to know both good and evil and make a choice to love.Satan is the father of sin, father of lies, father of murder, the first to want to be his own god and set out to do it his own way. Did God know before he created that Satan would do this? Yes? So than why did he still create him? Same reason he still created you, always had to be, in order for both to exist, a a choice to be present. God is doing everything in his power to loose not one of his children and that is including Satan himself. Joe far all this goes and who good or bad it ends depends on us and our choices
When we sinned and brought death, pain and suffering into the world, God took responsibility for it when he said, “ I will have to repent for this” and he did so when Christ layed down his own life on the cross, the greatest act of love. Love is not narcissistic, it is most empathetic
@@QuestionThingsUseLogic you not born broken, you are born into a broken world that begins breaking you from day one. And we brought sin into the world, which is what breaks, he told us not to. Family does more breaking than God, God does not break, after waning for so long he will remove his hand and allow us to receive that which we bring on ourselves, then instead of taking responsibility, we so quick to blame him. than add environment and well…., People ask the question if there is a good God why do babies dye from cancer? The answer to that is babies die from cancer because you and i continue to sin keeping death in the world. A better question is why even ask that question when people today support abortion
@@777clee no, you are just parroting what your bible claims. The whole 'concept of sin' was introduced. It's NOT inherent. Sure we may slip sometime but we need to rectify our errors. Simple. We most certainly are not born broken. Some have malformations and abnormalities, but that's due to random DNA mixes. Are you even aware that our ethnicity can vary between siblings?? It's a cruel thing to claim babies #die from our sin. That's messed up. Read up on Pandora's Box, which is a much older text than Genesis and which was copied, that speaks of a woman opening a box that was left in her husband's care and she released all the curses into the world. (Greek mythology appears in the bible *yet again* ).
@@QuestionThingsUseLogic I know about Pandora’s box. Either way you choose to look at it, sin is a inheritance. You’ve never heard sins of a father are passed down. The broken I’m talking about , for a example, if parents divorce , there children are more than likely to not have healthy relationships themself when they are older. Damages threw others and own wrong doings
It's sad that you think secular. Therapist and psychologist can actually help people. when in. Fact all they do is affirm everything now From being homosexual to I'm standing etc. dude, do you? From a few years ago? When you were in the Christian stance, you appeared a lot healthier. And quite honestly. Your eyes tell Me that you need to be delivered
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Speechless. I suffered stress related degradation in my executive functioning capabilities. At the time I was in a Christian bubble of work and family members who would go silent or have blank faces if I mentioned mental health issues. “God loves you” , “I’ll be praying for you” became to me a disgusting sound and the devaluation exponentially compounded by instability caused rage and bitterness. I’m shocked that someone with that much hair (🤣) knows exactly what’s happening in the church. Thank the gods you’re here.
Omg....this happened to me and left me devastated.
I suffered from ptsd and Anorexia/Bulimia that almost took my life back in '91. I had several severe traumas in my childhood that manifested mental illness.
The church seemed very supportive while I was hospitalized, but after I was released from the hospital, they did a few sermons on how mental illness was "bunk" and I was in need of adding more prayer and bible reading....and the church clergy could cure me in one visit.
I called them out on it, but they continued their stance....so I left.
I tried other churches and denominations, but it's all the same crap.
I'm grateful I had doctors who helped me and I successfully recovered ....but it was a long road and I give the doctors the recognition and gratitude for being my true strength and support.
I'm so glad to deconstruct from such a dangerous and vile cult.
Thnx Justin for your work and dedication in a badly needed educational safe place.
I never realized how deep the trauma of religion effected me til you and others came along. I thought I was healed, but here I am....still peeling the onion.
No, they church was to lazy to spend the time to walk with you, lay hands on you, listen to you, and give you the time you needed. That’s there bad, not Gods. Sorry you experienced that
Mentally and emotionally that was the REAL Hell in reLIEgions for 25+ years.
And on top of that the church tells you how broken and worthless you are and the only way out is to trust jesus and pray.
My grandma was certifiably batshit crazy. She was on her own level of crazy. My Aunt asked my grandpa why he didn't go get my grandma help. He told her that he talked to his preacher about it and the preacher told my grandpa that she was his cross to bear. His burden to carry.
Bruh, by the way I feel sorry for you
I couldn't agree more! I'm so much happier mentally after getting away from the church.
I spent every single day of my childhood believing that if I missed a day repenting I’d go to hell. If I missed something I’d go to hell. Not necessarily info from my parents either. As a teen I just gave up and figured I was going to hell anyway.
You're absolutely right!
Mental Health help must be a priority for any organization, secular or religious and It's a shame it isn't. Really It's up to us relatives of those suffering to find them help...the 1st step is dialing 911... and record everything in writing of the symptoms or manic episodes and more importantly suicidal or homicidal threats...
2nd step if dialing 911 doesnt help...get an involuntarily hospitalization by a judge...
3rd step get ready for receiving your relative after being released from the hospital, becuase he/she might not want to follow treatment, so go back to step 1...
A nurturing home with support from family and friends would help, as well as prayers but ultimately is therapy and medication what works.
Blessings to you'all in your journey
I dealt with overwhelming sadness (aka depression) and ideations. My mom told me it was because god gave me the gift of feeling the pain of the world. Which is a bit f-ed up.
I use to be apart of a RUclips ministry channel where phych meds were seen as pharmakieau and sorcery. 🤦♂️
So many people develop OCD & anxiety from being Christian but Christians blame it on demons and not an authoritarian religion that tells you the voices in your head are either God or demons and any negative feeling is your fault for not praying hard enough
I agree I think that's why I had OCD so bad as a child and still do to a.point but it's not as severe now in my adulthood.
The non religious "spirit community " also thinks the same way along the lines of doctors and psychiatrists. Its just another form of religion made over claiming to be not religious. I grew up pentecostal left that then when i grew older got involved in new age type spirituality. Im now leaning away from that as well because i had realized its much like religion.
Love to you Justin and Jacquie.❤
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If you're truly born again.
The mental health issues can most definitely Can be healed.
Otherwise no they're always going to be there
In the new testament Jesus heal a boy with seizure and calmed it was because of a demon I mean the actual F....
You really are an unbelieving and difficult people,” replied Jesus. “How long must I be with you, how long must I put up with you? Bring him here to me.”
But even while the boy was on his way, the spirit hurled him to the ground in a dreadful convulsion. Then Jesus reprimanded the evil spirit, healed the lad and handed him back to his father. And everybody present was amazed at this demonstration of the power of God.
yeah this passage alone suggest that Jesus had no idea what he was talking about evil spirit don't cause epilepsy
dysfunctional brain circuits do
It's sad that you think secular. Therapist and psychologist can actually help people. when in. Fact all they do is affirm everything now From being homosexual to I'm standing etc. dude, do you? From a few years ago? When you were in the Christian stance, you appeared a lot healthier.
And quite honestly. Your eyes tell Me that you need to be delivered
“God is a narcissist “ ? Wrong brother, God is empathy” beelzebub is the narcissist. Narcissist seek out to prey on empathetic people so if you were being preyed upon it’s because you have empathy and your empathy allowed it. Empathetic people do not want to see the bad in people until it’s to late. Everything you described about the church is called delusion, not the Holy Spirit. I’m a man of the word of God and I love physiology, I do not hate it at all, because I have empathy, and I seek to fix the broken at the source of one’s problem. The church is made up of broken people as the world as a whole is. God is not the problem, we are, he is the solution. It’s our refusal to take self responsibility that is the main mental issue
*QUESTION:* Does the 'Omnicient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent god'…
_…that you want us to believe in…_
…KNOW who goes to heaven, and who goes to 'hell'…
…BEFORE he "creates" each person?
YES or NO?
- I'll wait 🍿
Think about it @777clee... narcissists want ALL the attention and adoration. Narcissists often expect perfection even though they themselves are not perfect. Narcissists will harm others with neither care nor compassion. Your god ticks every box here. To claim he is loving without seeing all the evil he performed in the OT does not line up. Please realise god killed 2.4 million people, excluding the flood victims. Satan killed 10 in the OT. He even called sacrificing children to deities an abomination, yet that is EXACTLY what he did himself! He even said on 4 occasions no man can die for another's 'sins'. So jesus death and supposed sin-cleansing is invalid, according to Torah!!
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 only two people ever went to heaven that I know of, Enoch and Elisha, spared death for there righteousness. Everyone else goes to sleep in the grave until judgement day at the end when we must be resurrected back to life to be judged and be with the living God. And the only ones in hell are the watchers, or sons of God who are chained and bound in darkness, until judgement day. We inherit the earth. Who? Those who except the blood of Christ that pays our wages for sin, and those who are ignorant to Christ for they are not accountable. Who doesn’t? Only ones I can say for sure or those with blood on there hands that did not repent, and those who hear the word and deny it for they are accountable for there own wages.
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 yes, God is the beginning and the end, those are his pronouns not points in time. The spirit of God is that which you call energy, cannot be created nor destroyed, and everywhere at once.. it says he wrote two books before creation, book of life which is a account of everyone’s free will choices the made, they only thing in the world you truly have control over, and the book of truth, his plan for it all. It says he wrote those books while observing it, than placed them before creation to be opened at judgement at the end. Looking at that from our perspective means you made every choice you would ever make before you were created, before creation itself, and judged for those choices. Time is only relevant to that which has a expiration date
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 and I love answering questions so please feel free to ask all that you may have, I’ll wait… JJ, I’m not your enemy friend, and I really would love to answer any questions you have
Remember this, “if a man lives his entire life wicked and in his final hour finds righteousness I will only remember you for your righteousness. But if a man lives his entire life righteous and in his final hour finds wickedness, I will only remember you for your wickedness .” Don’t get lost this final hour my brother
*Christian scientists?*
majority of doctors (psychologist / psychiatrist / neurologist / oncologist / pathologist / surgeon / therapist / dentist / etc.), nurses, medical technologists, caregivers, scientists (biologist / chemist / physicist / meteorologist / astronomer / etc.) are Christians
probably, 70 to 80 percent are Christians -- around the globe
that's why most of the "founding fathers" of science (from genetics to physics) eons ago were mostly Christians
it's a known fact ...
addendum:
most of the educational institutions (school & university) and educators (teacher & faculty staff) were mostly Christians -- even at the dawn of science & technology
harvard, oxford, cambridge and many of the topnotch educational system of the glorious past (worldwide) were dominated by Christians
revisionism will never be able to alter or cloud these known historical facts
The nicest thing to say about your "known historical facts" is Citation needed.
@@jorj4270
citation is not needed
you simply just have to visit clinics and hospitals -- in a Christian dominated countries -- and find out for yourself if there is ZERO medical doctor (physician), nurse, therapist, and all that is Christian
yes, ZERO population of Christian healthcare specialist or worker in a Christian dominated countries
surely, you'll be in for a big surprise with your personal research ... 😁
Love is the meaning of life. Love God with all your heart mind and soul, love thy neighbor as you love thy self. He was alone in total darkness before he created light, and children to love, and love him. To give life, is love, to sacrifice your own life for the ones you love, is the greatest act of love, and why the grave could not hold him. Love the reason for creation, the meaning of life. Brokenness is because of the lack of love which leads to fear and hate, which self destructs and destroys along the way. Love is eternal, everlasting
Let's talk about this god you would have us believe in.
You: In the beginning everything ways dark. God sat in the dark on his throne for eons in reflective, philosophical ponderance and reflective thought of god stuff - All perfectly normal god prerogative, I'm fine with all that.
God looked around decided how wants company, things are lonely out in space… and he creates us, his cherished children, to love and worship him
correct?
I just want make sure we're in agreement.
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 yes, God was alone in darkness, not on a throne though. He was the darkness, he said in Isaiah I am the darkness and the light, but he was all love, righteousness, mercy, wise , and just. Love is the most powerful emotion, (and a choice) love conquers all, love gives life not takes it. Love is the only thing that could have always been always will be, because the opposite, hate and fear, sets the course to its own destruction and destroys along the way absolutely. So love alone in darkness desired children to love and Love him. He does not demand to be worshipped, only demands not to worship false idols. How would you feel if your children hated you and loved another? Yes at the end he sits on a throne in light, deservingly for when we sinned, he took responsibility for it, and said, I will have to repent for this which he did in Jesus Christ, his word in the flesh who paid the price, and for that we praise him. For giving us life, and when we lost it, giving his own so that we may find it again. The deceiver in the world is the one who wants a throne and forced worship. You have the two confused
Hmmm. Exactly what he talks about.
@@777clee The bible says this supposed god also is a creator of evil. Oops, can't have it both ways. One of them is a lie, which is it❓
Further, we're to believe that this supposed "god" is PERFECTION - A PERFECT state of BLISS and PEACE at all times.
And yet we're told this "god" is *not* blisfull at all times and is NOT in a state of PERFECTION, bliss, serenity and peace at all time.
It is jealous, hateful, sad, vengeful, NEEDY at times. "Needing love or needing ANYTHING is not a state of perfection! Those are traits of what flawed humans do...
Those are NOT states of god perfection.
Either your god never ceases from a state of PERFECTION, and is this god it claims…
…or the stories are made up by men, projecting. An EXTREMELY common thing that humans do.
Which is it❓
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 God is perfection, I’ll explain. Energy, water, are eternal elements, always was and always will be, which in scripture he said he is the spirit of. Good and evil are eternal knowledge, and a choice to be made. Life you can’t measure darkness only the absence of light, or you can’t measure coldness only the absence of heat. To measure death, is the absence of God and love. For there to be a choice there has to be at least two options. Duality. What defines white which is all colors, black which is no color. Where love gives life, absence of sets the course to its own destruction. If death exist than eternal must, and if absence of love destroys itself absolute, than total love would be the eternal emotion. God always was all love, righteous, merciful, and just. He was alone in darkness, wanting light and children, that choose to love him and each other back because it’s the only way to be eternal. God is all things, but he was never evil. Never sinned. When man is killing man it angers him. When man loves another god it makes him jealous. And when innocent blood is spilled it cry’s to him for justice. He does everything in his power short of Tampere with free will to get the people to stop it before he has to stop it, however when he does, it’s 100% justifiable, and because of the love of the innocent not the hate for the wicked. In order for his Children to be in his image is to know both good and evil and make a choice to love.Satan is the father of sin, father of lies, father of murder, the first to want to be his own god and set out to do it his own way. Did God know before he created that Satan would do this? Yes? So than why did he still create him? Same reason he still created you, always had to be, in order for both to exist, a a choice to be present. God is doing everything in his power to loose not one of his children and that is including Satan himself. Joe far all this goes and who good or bad it ends depends on us and our choices
When we sinned and brought death, pain and suffering into the world, God took responsibility for it when he said, “ I will have to repent for this” and he did so when Christ layed down his own life on the cross, the greatest act of love. Love is not narcissistic, it is most empathetic
And yet Evangelicals are narcissists in my book. "Ima CHOSEN ⭐⭐🤩⭐⭐ON‼️
@777clee and the whole concept of sin and the need for 'redeeming' supposed "broken mankind" is all fiction! We weren't born broken.
@@QuestionThingsUseLogic you not born broken, you are born into a broken world that begins breaking you from day one. And we brought sin into the world, which is what breaks, he told us not to. Family does more breaking than God, God does not break, after waning for so long he will remove his hand and allow us to receive that which we bring on ourselves, then instead of taking responsibility, we so quick to blame him. than add environment and well….,
People ask the question if there is a good God why do babies dye from cancer? The answer to that is babies die from cancer because you and i continue to sin keeping death in the world. A better question is why even ask that question when people today support abortion
@@777clee no, you are just parroting what your bible claims. The whole 'concept of sin' was introduced. It's NOT inherent. Sure we may slip sometime but we need to rectify our errors. Simple. We most certainly are not born broken. Some have malformations and abnormalities, but that's due to random DNA mixes. Are you even aware that our ethnicity can vary between siblings?? It's a cruel thing to claim babies #die from our sin. That's messed up. Read up on Pandora's Box, which is a much older text than Genesis and which was copied, that speaks of a woman opening a box that was left in her husband's care and she released all the curses into the world. (Greek mythology appears in the bible *yet again* ).
@@QuestionThingsUseLogic I know about Pandora’s box. Either way you choose to look at it, sin is a inheritance. You’ve never heard sins of a father are passed down. The broken I’m talking about , for a example, if parents divorce , there children are more than likely to not have healthy relationships themself when they are older. Damages threw others and own wrong doings
It's sad that you think secular. Therapist and psychologist can actually help people. when in. Fact all they do is affirm everything now From being homosexual to I'm standing etc. dude, do you? From a few years ago? When you were in the Christian stance, you appeared a lot healthier.
And quite honestly. Your eyes tell Me that you need to be delivered