My heart sank when I saw that the flight path abruptly ended off the coast of the runway. I'm really happy that the video continued and everyone was (relatively) safe
Thank God you all survived 🙏. I couldn't believe the ATC ! Well done for holding it together. I've watched other emergency videos which were handled so much better . She should have got you back to the airport and concentrated on your safety and not wasted time. It was painful to listen to.
"Sorry, no that flew away with my door. How about that landing vector please?" is the nicest possible thing I could have said in that situation. Nerves of steel on this guy though. The skewed priorities on that controller, jesus.
They literally took off few minutes ago, so I guess she just wanna confirm they got the same ATIS written down before departing. Reading the whole thing in this situation is just a waste of time
Door flies off, can't climb, can't see the runway through the clouds, no localizer for that runway. Then when I hear ground say the gear is not down my heart skipped a few beats. I'm thinking what the hell else can go wrong? Well done Captain.
Loki Yes? The Air traffic controller cannot vector somebody below the MVA= Minimum Vectoring Altitude... She had to have him at 2,600 unless the Air Traffic Controller asks the pilot “Are you able to maintain Your own terrain and obstruction clearance” She can’t help unless he was at that altitude...
Loki don’t get me wrong her performance was really unacceptable, the pilot asked for the LOC freq multiple times and she didn’t give it to him.. lot of other small things.
Lol.. “Customer complaint department, what problem are you having?” “Hi, yea, I paid for a seat on a plane with doors, and this plane is missing one” “I’m sorry sir but you were promised an airplane, nobody ever said the doors were on right”.
As a recently retired ATC with 29 years at two of the busiest facilities in the world, my number one rule for students handling an emergency was, “Don’t make it worse!” Number two was, “Do everything in your power to help the pilot.” Things have changed I guess but I hope this was an isolated incident.
*Door flies off of the aircraft* NorCal: NCT: I know you can’t climb but climb and maintain 2600 UP: Unable NCT: roger the mva is 2600 though, and do you have the ATIS btw? UP: My hands are full and we’re IMC NCT: ok report the field in sight UP: we’re imc, can we get the loc freq? NCT: sure, cleared to join the localizer UP: what’s the frequency?? NCT: there is no localizer 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Thanks for this post. This was a close call. The pilot did a remarkable job. With the door/stairway hanging down in front of the left wing it would have caused major turbulence causing a loss of lift on the left wing and a huge drag. The pilot probably had to trim everything the other direction to compensate. His tone is not surprising as he was probably fighting the aircraft all the way to a remarkable landing. BTW this aircraft continued to fly after this incident thanks to the skill of this pilot :).
rkan2 Good question. Haven't heard the details yet if it was a crew error or mechanical problem with the door. Thankfully no disaster due to the skill of the pilot and the plane was back in service soon after. The door hanging out is a great scenario for pilot simulator training.
The door hinges and the bottom and hangs downwards. They likely didn't have gear down until final because they were having a hard enough time staying level with the door hanging off. With the way they hang below the fuselage when open, I can totally understand how it could look like one gear down.
Jesus. "WE CANNOT CLIMB, A DOOR JUST BLEW OFF THE AIRCRAFT WE NEED TO RETURN TO THE FIELD IMMEDIATELY" "Okay, but you should climb to 2600 first. Can you also get the ATIS?" I'm a little surprised she didn't ask if they could hold somewhere for a few minutes.
did you look at the map? looks like there's mountain ranges inbetween. can't clear people to go VFR over a mountain range under recommended altitude without visibility.
She asked him 3 separate times if he could maintain his own terrain clearance, what else where they meant to do? If minimum alt was 2600' that means the tallest point was 1600' 600ft isn't much wiggle room during an emergancy with poor visual. Jog on pleb.
William Weaver To be clear, you’re saying she did what she could, or the pilot? I think both, that’s my logic, she didn’t want them descending into unknown terrain that could be 500 feet below, pilots never said they had control issues or a problem maintaining height, it seems like she did the safest thing, I dont get all the hate.
@@williamweaver1862 - 600' of ground clearance with vectors beats leaving a pilot on his own in IMC with an emergency on his hands because that's what the rules make you do. The rules governing this situation, and perhaps the related technology, need to be changed so that she can still give him reliable vectors at a reasonable altitude even if it doesn't meet MVA. Put another way: 600' of ground clearance is enough in an emergency.
Even with the obvious distress here, the ability of pilots to continue doing their job during the most absurd, terrifying, unexpected circumstances continues to astound and impress me. Much respect.
Very poor job done by controller. She is more worried about protecting herself than dealing with the emergency. 2600 mva is 1000 ft above obstacle, so with aircraft at 2000ft a turn can still be safely made although not "legal". Getting A/C on the ground safely is your only concern not getting a slap on the wrist for breaking MVA. She provided very little help to pilot and was not listening to him. Telling him to intercept loc after he said he needs the freq. Really bad. Asking if he has ATIS? Come on, give him the important info. You can hear in the pilots voice that he give up on this controller helping them. Listened to this with other ATC controllers ( 26 years on job for myself) and all we could do is shake our heads.
+Scott s One thing they teach us is to Aviate, Navigate, then Communicate. I feel like she was asking, almost demanding that he do these in reverse order.
+Scott s Yea being a pilot myself I was quite disappointed with her performance. The loc issue was remarkably bad... Kept bugging him about being visual and he kept saying he was above clouds.
+Josias Rivera Exactly!!! When you declare an emergency, you do what you have to do!!!!! I once had to declare an emergency into EWR during rush hour on a Friday night when I was indicating no nose gear. I took off from Linden (KLDJ), and my gear in transit light remained on. When I tried to cycle the gear back down, I was only getting a down and locked indication on the mains only. It turned out to be a bad micro switch and my gear locked in when I touched down. I apologized to ATC for screwing up the traffic, but they said "No problem, you did the right thing"! When you have an emergency, the safety of your passengers and crew comes first!!!
Wow, yeah, definitely sounded like the controller was burdening him with unnecessary crap while he was trying to maintain control and fly the damn aircraft - and hear ATC over the noise (which IDK if the recording here could do justice in emphasizing how incredible said noise had to be).
Yeah, they seem to sort of not be comprehending that the pilot's situation and capabilities can't be changed at the moment and they kinda just have to make it work from their end.
Vincent H Tan Well, when you're flying a small jet at 3000ft, the cabin door flies off, you have 5 charter pax screaming about being sucked out the aircraft, ATC is telling you to climb to MVA and you are IMC and cannot climb, she keeps asking if you can maintain terrain clearance after being told you are in the clouds, she keeps hinting you are going to hit terrain if you can't climb......if you aren't afraid at this point, there is something seriously wrong with you. Uncontrolled fear is bad, but fear coming from an understanding that you are in a life or death struggle can sharpen your mind and bolster your will to get on the ground safely. It would be helpful if we could go thru life with without fear, but I honestly doubt any pilot put in this situation could say he didn't experience fear at any time.
One can only hope that he had some terrain display either on his GPS or his iPad and was well aware that he is not going to hit anything yet and what to stir clear of. A reminder for me to always have that information right in front of me, always.
Its a verbal contract the controller need to establish. Due to nearby terrian or masts the controller cannot vector the aircraft below the safety altitude. Hence why she has to tell the aircraft to acknowledge they are responsible for collision avoidance and navigation below the SA. By law she shouldn't have even given a vector as a service had not been applied.
@@Typhoon1195 So screw the request for immediate vectoring in an aircraft that has just partially broken up, I've got to have a verbal contract when you're 400ft above any terrain in your area? This isn't "my passenger pooped his pants, I need to return to the airport"....
@@Typhoon1195 I call BS. The pilot declared an emergency. At that point the FARs are scrapped and it's everyone's job to get the airplane on the ground safely any way possible. However I don't think she did a terrible job assuming we got the entire transcript here. She wasn't in the airplane and didn't know the full nature of the emergency. The pilot had his hands full and wasn't clear so it took a few calls to get her on the same page. Once it was clear he couldn't climb and had control issues she began vectoring him. Could it have been done better? Sure, but I thought they both did a fine job. Now who was responsible for the security of that hatch? The PIC.
ATC: Door, you are cleared for 28R 509UP maintain 3000. Jokes aside, that guy put up with more than I would have, with me this video would have been a long "beep" after "declaring an Emergency".
"Can you maintain visual separation?""I'm in IMC""Climb to 3000'""Unable to climb""...well can you maintain visual separation?" What are we taking crazy pills today ATC what part of IMC do you not understand.
I almost choked on my coffee when she asked them if they had the current ATIS. Yeah, of course, it's not like we're flying a juggernaut here with the door hanging loose, panicking pax, probably loud wind noise, that will not climb and oh, we are IMC. So silly of us to forget to check the ATIS, ma'am. I know she was in a twist with the MVA, but srsly, not the whole sector is 2600' high ... you're first duty as ATC in such a case is to HELP the pilot, not the pilot to help you stick to your procedures. My goodness. And she said join the localizer, the pilots asked for the frequency (two times!) , and then she said localizer not available? How come? I appreciate that I do not know the full story, but what can be heard in this little clip here, is annoying, to put it lightly. But the most important part is that they made it back in piece ... minus the door ... and if they had any complaints about the controller I am pretty sure they told the proper people about it. So I'll stop ranting now. ... but the ATIS part REALLY bugged me.
Honestly all New England accents sound the same to me, except that the Vermont/Bernie Sanders accent sounds kinda like a New Yorker mixed with Napoleon Dynamite.
Some of the comments on this one are hilarious. After watching the video, then reading most of the comments (then watching the video again) I have a few thoughts (I am a pilot): 1) The lady ATC departure controller did not need to bother the pilot by asking if he had ATIS. 2) She was obviously concerned about him being too low over terrain. She had no way to clear him for 2000' when minimum clearance altitude was 2600'. What was she to do? (Even though the door fell off!) 2) There was not initial mutual understanding as to which runway the pilot was returning to. He asked for LOC freq for RW 10 and she obviously hesitated in response. This is likely because that runway has no LOC so her immediate reference lookup showed no results so she likely was asking others to verify no LOC available for RW 10. 3) She did not offer him any runway except 28R (and did not give him the frequency). I assume this RW choice is to get him over the bay and avoid terrain. Good choice. All in all she should have avoided the ATIS question AND assisted in clarifying the runway choice along with frequency. Otherwise good job. Without looking at a terrain chart it seems she did well to not authorize a return to RW 10 over this terrain.
Just simply HORRIBLE controlling by ATC! She didn't listen to him at all, gave inappropriate instructions, etc. Shame. (And you can BET she would argue with anyone trying to tell her what she did wrong.)
Robert Hadow Glad to see some people adding useful info. I can only imagine the complications in this, people seem to think she’s controlling everything - meanwhile a separate ATC has planes taking off and another with them on the ground, I’d doubt she personally sets up or can immediately check those beacons, and if it’s automatic based on directional traffic it makes complete sense she could pick one only to find it suddenly disabled.. but also I don’t really know, hence I’m certainly not gonna trash her. She guided them to a safe landing which is a win in my book..
Our CPL Law course was done by an ATC Controller. In NZ, the answer from the controller to a Mayday call would have been:"N509UP mayday roger." That was all. The controller did seem to overload the poor bugger a bit and I imagine the noise on his end plus the need to aviate would be fairly time consuming. Must have been a bit disconcerting not being able to climb. Still, good job by the crew getting it down safe.
No kidding about the noise.. I'd forgetten that that model Citation has the door/stairs right behind the cockpit rather than back near the left engine.. The noise must have been horrible, probably overriding the sound in the pilots headphones.. Think about the wind noise in a car with windows down at 100mph.. Nearly double that noise RIGHT BEHIND your head when you're trying to fly/talk to atc... VERY good work on the pilots part.. Less good by ATC..
Probably five seats. The passengers might have shit themselves but the pilot's ass was probably clenched so tight he'd shit his headset before his pants.
a picture of the controller and pilot standing with each other would literally be priceless. i think he'd rather smile and smack her upside the back of the head.
female atc was asking him if he had atis, how about giving it to him, some of the controllers are horrible but she was marginal. In an emergency atc should be as accommodating and helpful as possible.
+A D Completely agree at that point... "do you have ATIS information"... do you really think maam I got time to check that sh*t out? Finally he decided to explain his hands were full :D
+Brad Grafelman As soon as the citation declared an emergency the red sea parts. You get whatever you need. AVIATE, navigate, communicate. Always. He clearly stated he had his hands full. And even with a high timer that mental "muscle memory" can be a distraction to continue to safely maintain, an already struggling aircraft, flying. His priority is to continue flying, not fiddle around with atis. Even if its just a little push of a button away. I can't imagine the struggle this pilot had to obtain a trim level flight attitude to compensate for the aerodynamic disturbance.
This controller didn’t have a clue, once he declares an emergency she she have given him immediate vectors back to the airport. Asking him to maintain his own terrain clearance just added to his workload. She should have brought up her EOVM (Emergency Obstacle Vectoring Map) and kept him away from obstacles of course but continuing to treat him like a normal flight was horrible. Complete lack of experience is evident. Asking him if he had the ATIS? Are you kidding me? This audio makes me cringe every time I hear it
Stop and just imagine how scary that would be. The door blows off, you cant climb, its cloudy so no terrain avoidance, bad atc, and no ILS. This vid legit got my heart racing!
PILOT: "a door flew off the aircraft" ATC: "I understand why this might cause panic but how do you think that door feels, constant pressure on it, extreme temperature cycles and no freedom and no pay, it just wanted to be free, it didn't want to be a slave anymore, could you please respect that fact more."
It seems like as soon as he switches towers he relaxes knowing he has someone better on the other end. Like calling an 800 number for pilots I suppose.
This video and controller piss me off so much. Who the hell asks if you have the current ATIS when you declare an emergecy? Minimal help at all. 'Intercept the localizer' after the crew asked 50 times for the frequency and then 'oh btw loc isn't available' ajgnlengaeljgn
Exactly... When I had an Emergency and had to land at Newark (KEWR) possibly without my nose gear (I only showed 2 green - my mains) ATC GAVE me the information not asked if I had it. Man, with all that drag from the door he HAD to be struggling just to keep straight and level let alone trying to climb... What part of UNABLE did ATC not understand???????????
I can practically hear him grabbing the controls. Didn't he say he was having a hard time seeing anything on his panel? The moisture would have been thick as rain, he's trying to compensate against high pressure and she's snarky, demanding responses instead of offering solutions. I hope the FAA was notified because she's unsafe.
"Our door flew off, we need to land immediately!" "Okay, climb" "We can't climb, we need to land!" "Have you heard about your planes extended warranty?" Pretty much what that controller sounded like.
This is your last call for an extended warranty before we close the file and never call you again. However, the next day you will receive three more similar calls.
If he can't climb, then you need to immediately give him an alternative. She asks him to climb several times, despite his protests, before she final gives him an alternative. In that time, he could have easily had CFIT in the clouds.
She asked if he could maintain his own visual obstruction clearance. He responded “negative” so she needs to get him to the safest minimum altitude to ensure he doesn’t hit something.
She wasn't asking if he can maintain the altitude, she was asking if he can maintain terrain and obstacle clearance (essentially, can they see and avoid things around them). When he said no due to IMC, she needed to get him to 2600ft because that's the minimum obstacle clearance altitude for IMC (the lowest altitude she can be sure he won't hit anything in the area)
How many times did she ask if he had ground contact? He was in the clouds. Give him the best heading for terrain separation. He told her he couldn't climb. Atis....he just took off 1 minute before. What could change? It's only updated once per hour, or more with crazy weather, but I don't think this was the case. This lady needs some serious retraining in handling emergency procedures. Maybe normal procedures as well.
JT: No, you are incorrect. MVA is for terrain clearance, not radar contact. In an emergency she could and did vector him. She didn't handle this very well. She was not helping the overloaded pilot.
He was flying towards a mountain range, (semi)controlled flight into ground would not help him much. Options are A. climb high enough that radar/tower has time to notice/react to him going to hit. B. Be able to SEE the mountain, so he can avoid it himself, or C. turn so not aimed at it. Tower went with A as the standard, and wantred him to go option B if he could. when couldn't, she switched to C. Turning, when you can't climb, probabbly means you're going to sink, brining you even closer to said mountain, and skyscrapers, and population zones...
Yes but, how many times did he have to say he was in the clouds, if he is 400' clear of terrain, ATC should stop wasting his time by repeatedly asking for his visual, also ATIS? give him a break, his doors come off, his passengers are alarmed, huge wind rushing etc, and she wants him to check ATIS? come on. ATC clearly only worried about herself not getting in trouble, again with the LOC, he says he needs a freq twice, but she just tells him to establish on it, only later tells him the LOC isn't available, she may not be panicking, but she is not helping in the emergency, you can hear it in his voice towards the end, in an emergency rules go out the window, she could only keep pestering him with them.
I am sure your hearts will be warmed to know this same ATC controller was promoted to San Diego and was the controller of EVA015 flight of 16Dec16 who almost sent EVA015 into the mountains and into the path of other jets east of LAX.
Jet stream super 31 had 10 micro switches in Door that had to make contact in series ,showed door open when closed. Eventually Pilots ignored the light indicating open. Eventually took off and lost a door.
The most important thing after this situations for pilots and controllers is a debriefing to check, what can be learned. Bashing somebdoy for doing something wrong does not help. That only makes somebody afraid of this situations. So, if they did a professionell review on that situation there are some things, that can me learned: 1. Do not bother the pilot with the ATIS Letter. The pilot is in trouble and is working hardly to fly the plane. He has no time to check the ATIS. So look at the weatherscreen and keep it simple: Ceiling, visibility, wind. As he just departed, he should still have the correcht altimeter. So that is not that important. 2. prepare frequencys for ILS / LOC for all relevant runways / airports. That can be a job for the Co / Q Controller. That gives the radarcontroller time to focus on the frequency and radar. She did a very good job und keeping calm on the voice. That is very important. Good job there! I'm not familiar with the MVA situation over there. But when a pilot is in IMC and not able to climb, you really have a problem as an ATCo. The only thing you can do, bring the pilot back to a save area as soon as possible. That is, what she did with the vectors. So, another good job there. She didn't freeze, she tried to solve the problem. Well done! As an german ATC I can say, there are always situation, that are new for you and after everything is over, you are going to think a lot about what just happened. "Did I do everything correct?" Sometimes, you forget simple things. Do we know, if these maybe was a young controller working here first real emergency? No, we don't know that. So, stop bashing!
this is not evaluating. this is only trying to find the things she did well. It sounds just as one sided as all the comments against the controller. This is youtube. it is not a constructive balanced investigation. everybody is an expert here :) And if you really are an atc member you should know better then to just try to clear your colleague.
This pilot did exactly what he needed to do he refused to take ATC advice and said "No a door has come off my aircraft we cannot climb we are descending now give me a vector to the runway." God your the boss up there not them safety above all else not schedule let the airliners be late they got billions in dollars they can afford it. Let Malaysian airliners be an example when an airliner puts cost over safety.
"Can you do terrain clearance?" "Negative we're in the clouds" "But can you do terrain clearance?" "WE'RE IN THE CLOUDS" "Alright confirm airport in sight" "..............................."
That is one situation where the pilot in command shouldn't have had to assert such authority. Damn good thing he did though. I would be pissed as hell at that flight controller.
Respect for Sully goes up another notch. I bet he'd have put it down even in poor vis. Cos when you're a pilot, not having basic awareness of the terrain isn't a valid excuse.
you guys bashing the ATC, take a fucking look at a chart of the area surrounding SFO. if you are in IMC and unable to climb you had better hope like hell that the ATC vectors the hell out of you to get away from those hills. there is dangerous terrain around 2000 feet all over the place at SFO. there are mountains right at the west and south ends of the airport. she's trying to make sure he doesn't smash into them.
It's a totalĺy different world between ATC and aircrafts, not to mention the language used to bring aircraft down safely, very interesting thanks for having this program on. Take care, stay safe and God bless you all.
This kind of thing reminds me of the aircraft brief we got for the CASA-212 for airborne drops. On the CASA configured for airborne operations, the side door is removed and a small net is placed in the door, so that the jumpmaster can observe and determine when to release the paratroops. The thing that always brought a chill to my spine was the brief on this door and net. "If your reserve chute deploys in the aircraft it will start snaking towards the door, everyone will make an effort to contain the parachute, if the parachute reaches the door, you are going with it. at this time you must make a decision, you must follow the path the parachute take, if it went over the net, you go over the net, if it went under the net, you will go under the net, if you mess this up, you will attempt to take the aircraft with you using your body. Your body will fail this task, and you will die." I hated that door so freaking much...
I vaguely recall what I think was a youtube of a Virgin a/c departing for an Atlantic crossing to US and developing a problem. Can't remember if it was a mayday or a pan, but they were requesting an immediate return. First words out of the London controllers mouth, "Roger, turn left heading120". Just how we like to hear it.
Pilot in emergency to atc: give me the localizer frequency ATC: .... Pilot: please give me the localizer frequency ATC: chill, i am getting a coffee Pilot: .... ATC: sooo, can you joing the localizer now? Pilot: pleaseeee we really need the frequency ATX: .... Pilot: pretty please? ATC: What localizer? theres no localizer here. pretty much what happened.
The same thing happened in 2006 to a TAM AIrlines (now LATAM Brasil) *Fokker 100* jetliner with *79 passengers* plus crew on board while climbing over the city of São Paulo (population 11 million, metro 20 million). The door hit the roof of a large hypermarket, causing a terrible loud noise, but fortunately little damage and no injuries. The plane returned safely to the airport.
One thing for sure I had an emergency once and spoke once to ATC. I declared the emergency gave all the information and then flew my airplane until I was conformable that the situation was under control. Aviate- Navigate then Communicate.
VASAviation - Always get's a BIG "LIKE" from me!!! You've had a lot of great postings but I'll NEVER forget the 17 yo student and her first solo. She lose's her right main gear. Kept in the air for a spell then lands the plane perfectly, considering her predicament. That was a nail biter!!!
unless you're a certified radar controller i'd say its not your call to judge, coming from a controller I think she did a pretty good job, as well as the pilot.
+Jack S lol i doubt anyone reaponding is a controller and can't talk. everything in the FAA is CYA and its either adhere to the rules or risk losing your job. an emergency does change things up a bit but not when it comes to terrian avoidance. nice job being sexist at the same time
ATC was trying to get the plane to climb higher than known obstructions in the way unless he could see to avoid. Radar is not really good enough to ensure clearance vs the skyscrapers and "hills" (some hills > 1000 ft with tall buildings on top) right in the lines of flight depicted in the graphics. Her charts said get him above 2600 ft if possible because if not... he can hit something. There have been planes that flew into terrain in the fog in that area. She said over the radio that he really needed to be above 2600 for radar vectoring if he could not maintain visual terrain avoidance. Trying to thread him blind through the narrow pass between hills wasn't the most desirable solution. Really, its surprising this one didn't hit a building. There IS stuff to hit at 2000 ft right in there.
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This is the Captain , thanks for all the positive comments left engine was producing thrust. Lucky we are alive
My heart sank when I saw that the flight path abruptly ended off the coast of the runway. I'm really happy that the video continued and everyone was (relatively) safe
You have a grandson named Drew Simone, guy is claiming he's your grandson in the comments. That would be neat.
Thank God you all survived 🙏.
I couldn't believe the ATC !
Well done for holding it together.
I've watched other emergency videos which were handled so much better .
She should have got you back to the airport and concentrated on your safety and not wasted time. It was painful to listen to.
I just knew your name would be Sal. Great accent. Great flying.👍
You can fly me anytime! Great job and God bless you!!
The pilot's all "Yo, Adrian, the door flew off"
git that beer lashed down quick!
Best comment on the whole of RUclips lmao 🤣 😂
Im glad I read the comments while watching this 🤣🤣 now thats all i hear
Omg🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
aight, 4 years later I lol'ed. Not too f'n bad.
"appears you have one gear down" (5:17)
"that was our door hanging, you saw" (5:40)
LOL
Thug life :D
I'm shocked it hung on pretty impressive
I've been a pilot for 14 years, this is the first time I've ever heard "declaring an emergency" and "Confirm you have ATIS information" in that order.
"Sorry, no that flew away with my door. How about that landing vector please?" is the nicest possible thing I could have said in that situation. Nerves of steel on this guy though.
The skewed priorities on that controller, jesus.
Just shout a letter....yeah I got atis kilo...can I land now
Right? I couldn’t believe that.
@@redshirt49 "Controllers" = The bain of a Pilots existence!! (No, Pilots don't spell worth a crap!!)
They literally took off few minutes ago, so I guess she just wanna confirm they got the same ATIS written down before departing. Reading the whole thing in this situation is just a waste of time
Wow I felt like he was talking to the cable company!
Sir, did you try rebooting the door?
@@martinbelisle4961 😄
Ha! Ha!
@@martinbelisle4961 🤣🤣
Only difference is he didn't have to wait for two hours on hold to speak to someone
"a door flew off the aircraft!"
"does it need landing clearance?"
"Does the door have information Lima?"
joblessalex no his going to have enter a holding pattern
Bearing on door?
"Door, climb to 2600' "
Door, do you copy? turn right heading 090
Door flies off, can't climb, can't see the runway through the clouds, no localizer for that runway. Then when I hear ground say the gear is not down my heart skipped a few beats. I'm thinking what the hell else can go wrong? Well done Captain.
Michael, this is the guy I want to fly with. Maintain aircraft control! Excellent job! Captain.
Not to mention can't maintain safe altitude above the mountains.
Dude had all failures on Guaranteed
@@billybatts9491 What an ignorant thing to say.
I personally haven't ever participated but I think that Captain should have bought a lottery ticket after that experience.
Pilot: "WE JUST LOST A DOOR"
ATC: "Climb."
Loki Yes? The Air traffic controller cannot vector somebody below the MVA= Minimum Vectoring Altitude... She had to have him at 2,600 unless the Air Traffic Controller asks the pilot “Are you able to maintain Your own terrain and obstruction clearance” She can’t help unless he was at that altitude...
Loki don’t get me wrong her performance was really unacceptable, the pilot asked for the LOC freq multiple times and she didn’t give it to him.. lot of other small things.
That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point. Most of them are built so that the door doesn't fall off at all.
@@flcnfghtr Right, that's made my night.
Losing the door doesn’t kill you. Hitting the terrain will.
LOL, passengers are.... ok... but .... they're gonna be pretty upset!
Christian Postier .. Uniform Papa, you only have one landing gear down.."umm...that is just our door hanging"
LOL
Some might be like, that was the most terrifying experience of my life like kayaking near sharks that are biting at the boat.
"Their ok but their hair is a bit messed up now"
Lol.. “Customer complaint department, what problem are you having?” “Hi, yea, I paid for a seat on a plane with doors, and this plane is missing one” “I’m sorry sir but you were promised an airplane, nobody ever said the doors were on right”.
Pilot told them to fahgettaboudit
As a recently retired ATC with 29 years at two of the busiest facilities in the world, my number one rule for students handling an emergency was, “Don’t make it worse!” Number two was, “Do everything in your power to help the pilot.” Things have changed I guess but I hope this was an isolated incident.
pilot: we are declaring an emergency.
norcal: hold on, let me go get some coffee.
lmaoo
pilot: Roger, help yourself to some cookies too.
And parpcorn!
Exactly what I thought. She didn't seem to grasp the severity of his situation and kept trying to climb him like a normal flight.
I know there are some good size mountains West of SFO , guess she did what she could do.
Pilot: Emergency!
ATC: Do a barrel roll
ROFL.
pilot to passangers: we gonna roll it
@@fglsm10 "ATC has ordered us to go Full Send, so strap yourselves in everyone - we're gonna go Steam Edition in 10 seconds"
@@BirdmanDeuce26 airforceproud 95 would approve
"The passangers gonna be pretty upset"
You think!? lol
Shiit right!
Pilot: We got a klingon, a tusken raider and a predator just initiated self destruct. UP
The 1%s gotta feel a little terror in their lives. Like everyday for the rest of us.
They should be thankful that they are still alive.
*Door flies off of the aircraft*
NorCal:
NCT: I know you can’t climb but climb and maintain 2600
UP: Unable
NCT: roger the mva is 2600 though, and do you have the ATIS btw?
UP: My hands are full and we’re IMC
NCT: ok report the field in sight
UP: we’re imc, can we get the loc freq?
NCT: sure, cleared to join the localizer
UP: what’s the frequency??
NCT: there is no localizer
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Pilot, if you ever come across this and read the comment just want to say you did a damn good job and I would fly with you any day.
I’m going to show this to him. Thats my grandfather
Thank you.
Mandy D
Would you fly with him even with no door?
@@drewsimone9150 Please do. 🙂 And I'm so sorry for the way ATC handled his situation, it was totally unacceptable.
The controller annoys the heck out of me but when the pilot said “that was our door hanging you saw” I died laughing. 😂
'Do we get the visual?'
-No, that costs $3.99 extra
Wheels Up, doors down!
... he said the door was *hanging*
sooo... how *round* is that door?
Thanks for this post. This was a close call. The pilot did a remarkable job. With the door/stairway hanging down in front of the left wing it would have caused major turbulence causing a loss of lift on the left wing and a huge drag. The pilot probably had to trim everything the other direction to compensate. His tone is not surprising as he was probably fighting the aircraft all the way to a remarkable landing. BTW this aircraft continued to fly after this incident thanks to the skill of this pilot :).
+John Baxter Thanks for your comment! You explained it all as it was. They had to work hard in cockpit for it to land as it did!
+VASAviation - Thank you for posting this and should be text book pilot training in the future :).
John Baxter Hahaha do it!!!! :)
+John Baxter Who left the door open though?
rkan2 Good question. Haven't heard the details yet if it was a crew error or mechanical problem with the door. Thankfully no disaster due to the skill of the pilot and the plane was back in service soon after. The door hanging out is a great scenario for pilot simulator training.
"That was our door hanging you saw"
I've hung a few doors in my day. But not quite THIS way, lol....
Mushopia yeah i raised an eyebrow too. Good way to save your fuckup
The door hinges and the bottom and hangs downwards. They likely didn't have gear down until final because they were having a hard enough time staying level with the door hanging off.
With the way they hang below the fuselage when open, I can totally understand how it could look like one gear down.
9UP, no reason to be insecure about your gear.
Cool customer
Jesus. "WE CANNOT CLIMB, A DOOR JUST BLEW OFF THE AIRCRAFT WE NEED TO RETURN TO THE FIELD IMMEDIATELY"
"Okay, but you should climb to 2600 first. Can you also get the ATIS?"
I'm a little surprised she didn't ask if they could hold somewhere for a few minutes.
did you look at the map? looks like there's mountain ranges inbetween. can't clear people to go VFR over a mountain range under recommended altitude without visibility.
Jester hahaha dumb ATC lol
She asked him 3 separate times if he could maintain his own terrain clearance, what else where they meant to do?
If minimum alt was 2600' that means the tallest point was 1600'
600ft isn't much wiggle room during an emergancy with poor visual.
Jog on pleb.
William Weaver To be clear, you’re saying she did what she could, or the pilot? I think both, that’s my logic, she didn’t want them descending into unknown terrain that could be 500 feet below, pilots never said they had control issues or a problem maintaining height, it seems like she did the safest thing, I dont get all the hate.
@@williamweaver1862 - 600' of ground clearance with vectors beats leaving a pilot on his own in IMC with an emergency on his hands because that's what the rules make you do. The rules governing this situation, and perhaps the related technology, need to be changed so that she can still give him reliable vectors at a reasonable altitude even if it doesn't meet MVA. Put another way: 600' of ground clearance is enough in an emergency.
I like how the pilot here was firm about what he can and cannot do.
I am the emergency aircraft, your job is to clear the airspace.
“ It appear you only one of your gear is down”
“That was our door hanging”
When you have a group of ATC with an average of 15 years on the job pissed at this ATC personal, you know she messed up big time.
"Join the localiser."
"What's the frequency?"
"There isn't a localiser."
One of the worst ATC responses to an emergency that I've ever seen.
Even with the obvious distress here, the ability of pilots to continue doing their job during the most absurd, terrifying, unexpected circumstances continues to astound and impress me. Much respect.
Very poor job done by controller. She is more worried about protecting herself than dealing with the emergency. 2600 mva is 1000 ft above obstacle, so with aircraft at 2000ft a turn can still be safely made although not "legal". Getting A/C on the ground safely is your only concern not getting a slap on the wrist for breaking MVA. She provided very little help to pilot and was not listening to him. Telling him to intercept loc after he said he needs the freq. Really bad. Asking if he has ATIS? Come on, give him the important info. You can hear in the pilots voice that he give up on this controller helping them. Listened to this with other ATC controllers ( 26 years on job for myself) and all we could do is shake our heads.
+Scott s One thing they teach us is to Aviate, Navigate, then Communicate. I feel like she was asking, almost demanding that he do these in reverse order.
+Scott s Yea being a pilot myself I was quite disappointed with her performance. The loc issue was remarkably bad... Kept bugging him about being visual and he kept saying he was above clouds.
+Scott s All the FAR's and rules go out the window as soon as an emergency is declared.
+Josias Rivera Exactly!!! When you declare an emergency, you do what you have to do!!!!! I once had to declare an emergency into EWR during rush hour on a Friday night when I was indicating no nose gear. I took off from Linden (KLDJ), and my gear in transit light remained on. When I tried to cycle the gear back down, I was only getting a down and locked indication on the mains only. It turned out to be a bad micro switch and my gear locked in when I touched down. I apologized to ATC for screwing up the traffic, but they said "No problem, you did the right thing"! When you have an emergency, the safety of your passengers and crew comes first!!!
Mark Emanuele It is indeed a beautiful thing when pilots & ATC work together in an emergency. Especially when lives are saved!
First time checking in on this video in awhile. The pilot is actually my grandfather and he was VERY upset with how ATC handled the situation
Wow, yeah, definitely sounded like the controller was burdening him with unnecessary crap while he was trying to maintain control and fly the damn aircraft - and hear ATC over the noise (which IDK if the recording here could do justice in emphasizing how incredible said noise had to be).
Yeah, they seem to sort of not be comprehending that the pilot's situation and capabilities can't be changed at the moment and they kinda just have to make it work from their end.
Aviate navigate communicate, dude your 3rd in line let the man fly the plane unless you want him to land on your tower.
They were absolutely useless. In the SFO airspace, no less.
So that's your grandfather claiming to be the pilot above you in the comments?
I was so disappointed by the ATC. She seemed to have done a horrible job. Also, I can hear the fear from the pilot speech.
Vincent H Tan Well, when you're flying a small jet at 3000ft, the cabin door flies off, you have 5 charter pax screaming about being sucked out the aircraft, ATC is telling you to climb to MVA and you are IMC and cannot climb, she keeps asking if you can maintain terrain clearance after being told you are in the clouds, she keeps hinting you are going to hit terrain if you can't climb......if you aren't afraid at this point, there is something seriously wrong with you. Uncontrolled fear is bad, but fear coming from an understanding that you are in a life or death struggle can sharpen your mind and bolster your will to get on the ground safely. It would be helpful if we could go thru life with without fear, but I honestly doubt any pilot put in this situation could say he didn't experience fear at any time.
One can only hope that he had some terrain display either on his GPS or his iPad and was well aware that he is not going to hit anything yet and what to stir clear of. A reminder for me to always have that information right in front of me, always.
Its a verbal contract the controller need to establish. Due to nearby terrian or masts the controller cannot vector the aircraft below the safety altitude. Hence why she has to tell the aircraft to acknowledge they are responsible for collision avoidance and navigation below the SA. By law she shouldn't have even given a vector as a service had not been applied.
@@Typhoon1195 So screw the request for immediate vectoring in an aircraft that has just partially broken up, I've got to have a verbal contract when you're 400ft above any terrain in your area?
This isn't "my passenger pooped his pants, I need to return to the airport"....
@@Typhoon1195 I call BS. The pilot declared an emergency. At that point the FARs are scrapped and it's everyone's job to get the airplane on the ground safely any way possible. However I don't think she did a terrible job assuming we got the entire transcript here. She wasn't in the airplane and didn't know the full nature of the emergency. The pilot had his hands full and wasn't clear so it took a few calls to get her on the same page. Once it was clear he couldn't climb and had control issues she began vectoring him. Could it have been done better? Sure, but I thought they both did a fine job.
Now who was responsible for the security of that hatch? The PIC.
The pure emotion in the pilot’s voice palatable. I’m so glad this had a positive ending. Good job, bro.
The door needs some retraining.
The click sound is not working well
"I thought YOU latched the door"! Shit.
blake86303 I thought *you* did!
Thankfully, the screen door stayed shut.
Ohhhh. THAT'S what Cross check means...
ATC: Door, you are cleared for 28R
509UP maintain 3000.
Jokes aside, that guy put up with more than I would have, with me this video would have been a long "beep" after "declaring an Emergency".
"Can you maintain visual separation?""I'm in IMC""Climb to 3000'""Unable to climb""...well can you maintain visual separation?" What are we taking crazy pills today ATC what part of IMC do you not understand.
To be fair if I was ATC in an area with mountains I'd be asking you to climb or maintain your own ground clearance. Because mountains.
@@MediHusky Right but he REPEATEDLY Advised her he was Unable to Climb
SCARY stuff! You can hear it in his voice he thought for a few seconds he wasn't going to make it "were trying to climb, its not doing well"
I almost choked on my coffee when she asked them if they had the current ATIS. Yeah, of course, it's not like we're flying a juggernaut here with the door hanging loose, panicking pax, probably loud wind noise, that will not climb and oh, we are IMC. So silly of us to forget to check the ATIS, ma'am.
I know she was in a twist with the MVA, but srsly, not the whole sector is 2600' high ... you're first duty as ATC in such a case is to HELP the pilot, not the pilot to help you stick to your procedures. My goodness. And she said join the localizer, the pilots asked for the frequency (two times!) , and then she said localizer not available? How come?
I appreciate that I do not know the full story, but what can be heard in this little clip here, is annoying, to put it lightly. But the most important part is that they made it back in piece ... minus the door ... and if they had any complaints about the controller I am pretty sure they told the proper people about it. So I'll stop ranting now. ... but the ATIS part REALLY bugged me.
I have a 14 hour flight today and RUclips decides to suddenly recommend all these ATC emergency videos... thanks
did ya make it?
Sounds like Bernie Sanders is flying the aircraft when the emergency is declared!!
he sounds bostonian or like a new yorker
NY. That's a Brooklyn accent
Yup, I flashed between hearing it in Richard Feynman's voice vs. Bill Graham's
Honestly all New England accents sound the same to me, except that the Vermont/Bernie Sanders accent sounds kinda like a New Yorker mixed with Napoleon Dynamite.
@@jones2539 Bernie's is all Brooklyn. Jeezum Crow, Vermont accent is wholly different than Bernie.
Some of the comments on this one are hilarious.
After watching the video, then reading most of the comments (then watching the video again) I have a few thoughts (I am a pilot):
1) The lady ATC departure controller did not need to bother the pilot by asking if he had ATIS.
2) She was obviously concerned about him being too low over terrain. She had no way to clear him for 2000' when minimum clearance altitude was 2600'. What was she to do? (Even though the door fell off!)
2) There was not initial mutual understanding as to which runway the pilot was returning to. He asked for LOC freq for RW 10 and she obviously hesitated in response. This is likely because that runway has no LOC so her immediate reference lookup showed no results so she likely was asking others to verify no LOC available for RW 10.
3) She did not offer him any runway except 28R (and did not give him the frequency). I assume this RW choice is to get him over the bay and avoid terrain. Good choice.
All in all she should have avoided the ATIS question AND assisted in clarifying the runway choice along with frequency. Otherwise good job. Without looking at a terrain chart it seems she did well to not authorize a return to RW 10 over this terrain.
Love the pilot's accent! Also I'm amazed he managed to stay professional with the ATC when she was being so frustrating!
next time i am in neewww yaarrk i want to shake the pilots hand
“You have an emergency? Ok, then listen to the ATIS”
she asked him to join the loc then she said the loc is not available wtf
Blind leading the blind
haha
If 28R was in use, the opposite localizer would have been turned off, that's why.
Just simply HORRIBLE controlling by ATC! She didn't listen to him at all, gave inappropriate instructions, etc. Shame. (And you can BET she would argue with anyone trying to tell her what she did wrong.)
Robert Hadow Glad to see some people adding useful info. I can only imagine the complications in this, people seem to think she’s controlling everything - meanwhile a separate ATC has planes taking off and another with them on the ground, I’d doubt she personally sets up or can immediately check those beacons, and if it’s automatic based on directional traffic it makes complete sense she could pick one only to find it suddenly disabled.. but also I don’t really know, hence I’m certainly not gonna trash her. She guided them to a safe landing which is a win in my book..
Our CPL Law course was done by an ATC Controller. In NZ, the answer from the controller to a Mayday call would have been:"N509UP mayday roger." That was all. The controller did seem to overload the poor bugger a bit and I imagine the noise on his end plus the need to aviate would be fairly time consuming. Must have been a bit disconcerting not being able to climb. Still, good job by the crew getting it down safe.
No kidding about the noise.. I'd forgetten that that model Citation has the door/stairs right behind the cockpit rather than back near the left engine.. The noise must have been horrible, probably overriding the sound in the pilots headphones.. Think about the wind noise in a car with windows down at 100mph.. Nearly double that noise RIGHT BEHIND your head when you're trying to fly/talk to atc... VERY good work on the pilots part.. Less good by ATC..
I'm from nz but it is illeagle to stream atc here :(
@@willwaters8553 I did my CPL in NZ, too, and fly in North American, it is illegal, but no one seems to care... I do learn from these clips though.
@@willwaters8553 Why?, anyone can pick up these signals , very silly of the govt.
Pilot: Requesting a Stanley Steemer van on standby with the fire engine and medics. We have 7 seats that will need to be shampooed pronto.
Probably five seats. The passengers might have shit themselves but the pilot's ass was probably clenched so tight he'd shit his headset before his pants.
@@thegardenofeatin5965 Think I just died laughing!! XD
@@DarkXenith glad you enjoyed my comment.
That was GOLD
wish there were aftermath pics on these non fatality ones.
There is a picture online of the plane, it's still flying I believe but you'd better google it to be sure
I'll bet that Citation needed a cleanup crew for the interior afterwards.
a picture of the controller and pilot standing with each other would literally be priceless. i think he'd rather smile and smack her upside the back of the head.
female atc was asking him if he had atis, how about giving it to him, some of the controllers are horrible but she was marginal. In an emergency atc should be as accommodating and helpful as possible.
+A D Completely agree at that point... "do you have ATIS information"... do you really think maam I got time to check that sh*t out? Finally he decided to explain his hands were full :D
yea I know right how many times does he need to say he can't see the ground tsk!
Bad ATC!
+Brad Grafelman As soon as the citation declared an emergency the red sea parts. You get whatever you need. AVIATE, navigate, communicate. Always. He clearly stated he had his hands full. And even with a high timer that mental "muscle memory" can be a distraction to continue to safely maintain, an already struggling aircraft, flying. His priority is to continue flying, not fiddle around with atis. Even if its just a little push of a button away. I can't imagine the struggle this pilot had to obtain a trim level flight attitude to compensate for the aerodynamic disturbance.
Yep,She sucks.
Great job skipper. And keeping cool while dealing with the confounding ATC bureaucracy at the same time. Bravo.
+patton303 I didn't think he kept his cool at all, screaming like a little bitch! Doesn't sound very professional to me that skipper...
that "confounding ATC bureaucracy" was to prevent him from crashing into the hills/ mountains since he couldn't maintain his own visual...
You're a fucking moron.
@@laurent-xavierherzi3404 he’s yelling because the door to the aircraft is open, can you even imagine the noise? You’re stupid.
This controller didn’t have a clue, once he declares an emergency she she have given him immediate vectors back to the airport. Asking him to maintain his own terrain clearance just added to his workload. She should have brought up her EOVM (Emergency Obstacle Vectoring Map) and kept him away from obstacles of course but continuing to treat him like a normal flight was horrible. Complete lack of experience is evident. Asking him if he had the ATIS? Are you kidding me?
This audio makes me cringe every time I hear it
Stop and just imagine how scary that would be. The door blows off, you cant climb, its cloudy so no terrain avoidance, bad atc, and no ILS. This vid legit got my heart racing!
Also: "appears you have one gear down"... @5:17
“Okay! Who’s job was it today to CLOSE AND LOCK the dang DOOR?!?!”
PILOT: "a door flew off the aircraft"
ATC: "I understand why this might cause panic but how do you think that door feels, constant pressure on it, extreme temperature cycles and no freedom and no pay, it just wanted to be free, it didn't want to be a slave anymore, could you please respect that fact more."
It seems like as soon as he switches towers he relaxes knowing he has someone better on the other end. Like calling an 800 number for pilots I suppose.
This video and controller piss me off so much. Who the hell asks if you have the current ATIS when you declare an emergecy? Minimal help at all. 'Intercept the localizer' after the crew asked 50 times for the frequency and then 'oh btw loc isn't available' ajgnlengaeljgn
Exactly... When I had an Emergency and had to land at Newark (KEWR) possibly without my nose gear (I only showed 2 green - my mains) ATC GAVE me the information not asked if I had it. Man, with all that drag from the door he HAD to be struggling just to keep straight and level let alone trying to climb... What part of UNABLE did ATC not understand???????????
I can practically hear him grabbing the controls. Didn't he say he was having a hard time seeing anything on his panel? The moisture would have been thick as rain, he's trying to compensate against high pressure and she's snarky, demanding responses instead of offering solutions. I hope the FAA was notified because she's unsafe.
"Our door flew off, we need to land immediately!"
"Okay, climb"
"We can't climb, we need to land!"
"Have you heard about your planes extended warranty?"
Pretty much what that controller sounded like.
Well you cant have the airplane accidentally running into the terrain, which was the danger.
This is your last call for an extended warranty before we close the file and never call you again. However, the next day you will receive three more similar calls.
If he can't climb, then you need to immediately give him an alternative. She asks him to climb several times, despite his protests, before she final gives him an alternative. In that time, he could have easily had CFIT in the clouds.
"Are you able to maintain minimum vectoring altitude"? "Negative" "Okay, climb to 026"
She asked if he could maintain his own visual obstruction clearance. He responded “negative” so she needs to get him to the safest minimum altitude to ensure he doesn’t hit something.
She wasn't asking if he can maintain the altitude, she was asking if he can maintain terrain and obstacle clearance (essentially, can they see and avoid things around them). When he said no due to IMC, she needed to get him to 2600ft because that's the minimum obstacle clearance altitude for IMC (the lowest altitude she can be sure he won't hit anything in the area)
How does this comment have 142 upvote
@@kimk3573 143 now, hahahahaha
@@ivkost 214
My door has fallen off, okay, let my make you climb. Such a stupid idea!
+minitrundle She had to try to get him above MVA for terrain clearance / surveillance coverage.
How many times did she ask if he had ground contact? He was in the clouds. Give him the best heading for terrain separation. He told her he couldn't climb. Atis....he just took off 1 minute before. What could change? It's only updated once per hour, or more with crazy weather, but I don't think this was the case.
This lady needs some serious retraining in handling emergency procedures. Maybe normal procedures as well.
have you ever heard a TCAS warning.... that is not a thing you are going to miss even with a door open.
She did everything right. HE is the one freakin out.
JT: No, you are incorrect. MVA is for terrain clearance, not radar contact. In an emergency she could and did vector him. She didn't handle this very well. She was not helping the overloaded pilot.
He was flying towards a mountain range, (semi)controlled flight into ground would not help him much. Options are A. climb high enough that radar/tower has time to notice/react to him going to hit. B. Be able to SEE the mountain, so he can avoid it himself, or C. turn so not aimed at it.
Tower went with A as the standard, and wantred him to go option B if he could. when couldn't, she switched to C.
Turning, when you can't climb, probabbly means you're going to sink, brining you even closer to said mountain, and skyscrapers, and population zones...
Yes but, how many times did he have to say he was in the clouds, if he is 400' clear of terrain, ATC should stop wasting his time by repeatedly asking for his visual, also ATIS? give him a break, his doors come off, his passengers are alarmed, huge wind rushing etc, and she wants him to check ATIS? come on. ATC clearly only worried about herself not getting in trouble, again with the LOC, he says he needs a freq twice, but she just tells him to establish on it, only later tells him the LOC isn't available, she may not be panicking, but she is not helping in the emergency, you can hear it in his voice towards the end, in an emergency rules go out the window, she could only keep pestering him with them.
Controller = DUD. Never heard such un-preparedness and ineptitude. NO EXCUSE!!
Bravo for the pilots for bringing the plane and passengers down safely!
I am sure your hearts will be warmed to know this same ATC controller was promoted to San Diego and was the controller of EVA015 flight of 16Dec16 who almost sent EVA015 into the mountains and into the path of other jets east of LAX.
Wow. Probably a quota hire
Jet stream super 31 had 10 micro switches in Door that had to make contact in series ,showed door open when closed. Eventually Pilots ignored the light indicating open. Eventually took off and lost a door.
The pilot did a very good job! He stayed as cool as possible and kept his damaged bird in the air!
Great pilot. Really handled the stress well and he and his passengers walked away unscathed.
You doing a great job flying his plane you can tell he cared about his passengers and still had to deal with the Tower
The most important thing after this situations for pilots and controllers is a debriefing to check, what can be learned. Bashing somebdoy for doing something wrong does not help. That only makes somebody afraid of this situations. So, if they did a professionell review on that situation there are some things, that can me learned: 1. Do not bother the pilot with the ATIS Letter. The pilot is in trouble and is working hardly to fly the plane. He has no time to check the ATIS. So look at the weatherscreen and keep it simple: Ceiling, visibility, wind. As he just departed, he should still have the correcht altimeter. So that is not that important. 2. prepare frequencys for ILS / LOC for all relevant runways / airports. That can be a job for the Co / Q Controller. That gives the radarcontroller time to focus on the frequency and radar. She did a very good job und keeping calm on the voice. That is very important. Good job there!
I'm not familiar with the MVA situation over there. But when a pilot is in IMC and not able to climb, you really have a problem as an ATCo. The only thing you can do, bring the pilot back to a save area as soon as possible. That is, what she did with the vectors. So, another good job there. She didn't freeze, she tried to solve the problem. Well done!
As an german ATC I can say, there are always situation, that are new for you and after everything is over, you are going to think a lot about what just happened. "Did I do everything correct?" Sometimes, you forget simple things. Do we know, if these maybe was a young controller working here first real emergency? No, we don't know that. So, stop bashing!
first constructive feedback in this comment section! good on ya! liebe grüße :)
this is not evaluating. this is only trying to find the things she did well. It sounds just as one sided as all the comments against the controller. This is youtube. it is not a constructive balanced investigation. everybody is an expert here :) And if you really are an atc member you should know better then to just try to clear your colleague.
great job by the pilots... doesn't matter what is the situation always fly the aiirplane. :)
+Andre J Morriberon YES LEAVE THE DOOR UNLOCKED. ONLY THE PRECATCH WILL NOT HOLD THE DOOR CLOSED IN FLIGHT.
+Dori Abouzeid STOP FUCKING USING CAP LOOKS. Oh and btw leaving the door unlocked and it flying off is very diffrent
Dylan Cotton and can we please dispense with such language? Not just you. It's become everyday usage, but there are ladies present.
He was calm bout the door, Ida crapped the color off my pants
This pilot did exactly what he needed to do he refused to take ATC advice and said "No a door has come off my aircraft we cannot climb we are descending now give me a vector to the runway." God your the boss up there not them safety above all else not schedule let the airliners be late they got billions in dollars they can afford it. Let Malaysian airliners be an example when an airliner puts cost over safety.
This is why it is so important to have pilots in control, not computers.
So you can get funny ATC interactions on RUclips?
"Can you do terrain clearance?"
"Negative we're in the clouds"
"But can you do terrain clearance?"
"WE'RE IN THE CLOUDS"
"Alright confirm airport in sight"
"..............................."
Pilot: declaring an emergency!!
ATC: umm ok
Pilot: its like you dont even care anymore, why dont you take my issues seriously Karen.
We will discuss this at home Roger.
That is one situation where the pilot in command shouldn't have had to assert such authority. Damn good thing he did though. I would be pissed as hell at that flight controller.
Respect for Sully goes up another notch. I bet he'd have put it down even in poor vis. Cos when you're a pilot, not having basic awareness of the terrain isn't a valid excuse.
DRINKING GAME: drink everytime atc & 509up say "uniform-pop"!
You better have an extra liver standing by for that.
you guys bashing the ATC, take a fucking look at a chart of the area surrounding SFO. if you are in IMC and unable to climb you had better hope like hell that the ATC vectors the hell out of you to get away from those hills.
there is dangerous terrain around 2000 feet all over the place at SFO. there are mountains right at the west and south ends of the airport. she's trying to make sure he doesn't smash into them.
what?
its a small airplane
what's your point? do you even know what you are watching in this video?
itsumonihon its no makeup video ... duh!
take your meds
Wrong ATC controller on that day... unbelievable
It's a totalĺy different world between ATC and aircrafts, not to mention the language used to bring aircraft down safely, very interesting thanks for having this program on. Take care, stay safe and God bless you all.
Verify you have Lima? Yo Chief, How about doing me a solid and reading the ATIS to me.
This Captain was in deep coco puffs. Not being able to climb to the MVA, and maintaining aircraft control, and fighting ATC for the loc freq.
This kind of thing reminds me of the aircraft brief we got for the CASA-212 for airborne drops. On the CASA configured for airborne operations, the side door is removed and a small net is placed in the door, so that the jumpmaster can observe and determine when to release the paratroops. The thing that always brought a chill to my spine was the brief on this door and net.
"If your reserve chute deploys in the aircraft it will start snaking towards the door, everyone will make an effort to contain the parachute, if the parachute reaches the door, you are going with it. at this time you must make a decision, you must follow the path the parachute take, if it went over the net, you go over the net, if it went under the net, you will go under the net, if you mess this up, you will attempt to take the aircraft with you using your body. Your body will fail this task, and you will die." I hated that door so freaking much...
So exciting! Glad they made it back safely. Thank you for sharing 👍😀
"That was the door hanging you saw." The PIC has a sense of humor.
I vaguely recall what I think was a youtube of a Virgin a/c departing for an Atlantic crossing to US and developing a problem.
Can't remember if it was a mayday or a pan, but they were requesting an immediate return.
First words out of the London controllers mouth, "Roger, turn left heading120".
Just how we like to hear it.
Fly the plane. That is just what he did!
Ground staff to Pilot after landing : your belt is sticking out.
Pilot : that was “my landing gear” you saw after landing this frigging plane.
I can tell, this woman from ATC isn't an Einstein. And the guy was really upset about his door.
Pilot in emergency to atc: give me the localizer frequency
ATC: ....
Pilot: please give me the localizer frequency
ATC: chill, i am getting a coffee
Pilot: ....
ATC: sooo, can you joing the localizer now?
Pilot: pleaseeee we really need the frequency
ATX: ....
Pilot: pretty please?
ATC: What localizer? theres no localizer here.
pretty much what happened.
Holy crap, lmao, that was rough :D
At that point the pilot was pretty much just like, "Ah f**k it, I'll bring this baby in by myself."
@@dx1450 Listening to the pilot it was more like HERE...hold my beer !
I'm not giving him the localizer. That's what he would be expecting!
Hate it when ATC asks a emergency aircraft obviously with their hands full if they got the ATIS. GIVE THEM THE ATIS.
Thank god this happened at such a low altitude.
It also sounds as if Bernie Sanders might have been the pilot! Jokes aside, a great job by all.
Matthew George lel, Bernie Sanders is a piece of shit.
I thought the same lol
@@davidca96 idiot.
@@davidca96 : Shit-head.
The same thing happened in 2006 to a TAM AIrlines (now LATAM Brasil) *Fokker 100* jetliner with *79 passengers* plus crew on board while climbing over the city of São Paulo (population 11 million, metro 20 million). The door hit the roof of a large hypermarket, causing a terrible loud noise, but fortunately little damage and no injuries. The plane returned safely to the airport.
One thing for sure I had an emergency once and spoke once to ATC. I declared the emergency gave all the information and then flew my airplane until I was conformable that the situation was under control. Aviate- Navigate then Communicate.
Atc could’ve relayed the atis weather instead of expecting them to find the frequency and listen for themselves
VASAviation - Always get's a BIG "LIKE" from me!!! You've had a lot of great postings but I'll NEVER forget the 17 yo student and her first solo. She lose's her right main gear. Kept in the air for a spell then lands the plane perfectly, considering her predicament. That was a nail biter!!!
"we're having a hard time climbing...(imagine that) Could you just send us back?"
It's absurd he had to even say that
This real world conversation is amazing.
That woman ATC needs some retraining.
unless you're a certified radar controller i'd say its not your call to judge, coming from a controller I think she did a pretty good job, as well as the pilot.
+Jack S lol i doubt anyone reaponding is a controller and can't talk. everything in the FAA is CYA and its either adhere to the rules or risk losing your job. an emergency does change things up a bit but not when it comes to terrian avoidance. nice job being sexist at the same time
ATC was trying to get the plane to climb higher than known obstructions in the way unless he could see to avoid.
Radar is not really good enough to ensure clearance vs the skyscrapers and "hills" (some hills > 1000 ft with tall buildings on top) right in the lines of flight depicted in the graphics.
Her charts said get him above 2600 ft if possible because if not... he can hit something. There have been planes that flew into terrain in the fog in that area.
She said over the radio that he really needed to be above 2600 for radar vectoring if he could not maintain visual terrain avoidance.
Trying to thread him blind through the narrow pass between hills wasn't the most desirable solution.
Really, its surprising this one didn't hit a building. There IS stuff to hit at 2000 ft right in there.
Offgrid Cabin the pilot needs retraining!!
The doors on that plane need some tightening
"UP, verify you have information Lima?" LOL!!!
Another fantastic job by the pilots who fly around here! Nor Cal Approach did an awesome job as did this pilot.
A door flies off and the ATC tells to ciimb? Unprepared.