South Korea is in a unique situation. They have North koreans breathing down their neck and also have China and Russia next to them as well. Even though Japan is a democratic nation, due to Japan's historical aggression towards them they have mixed feeling towards them similar to to how Poles feel about Germany. Being surrounded by big powers that can be hostile they are on constant alert and they have to step up their game when it comes to armament and defense. After 70 years of dealing with North Korea and being surrouded by hostile nations they learned how to produce weapons that are effective and yet cost efficient.
It's not just that. China is actually NOT threatening Korea yet with military exercises but Japan has been doing it to Korea for many years, sending Japanese ships to threaten to take Korea's eastern islands AGAIN and repeat history. To be frank, ordinary people in south Korea do NOT care much about the North Korean missile launches because that's what they do every year anyway... unless North Korea actually sends tanks to push for a land grab or something but that hasn't happened. And honestly, South Koreans are not worried about North Korea's pitiful all-bark-and-no-bite army at all, they know the real power backing NK is China. But China is only communist because of Japan starting WW2 in 1937 with no declaration of war (as with every single war Japan started in its history, all dozen of them in the 1900s). The Nationalists in China, after a long trek, cornered the Chinese Communist Party and were just about to catch and execute Mao Zedong when the President of China got kidnapped and forced to sign a peace treaty with the CCP. During the Sino-Japanese war, even the Soviet advisors to the CCP testified that the CCP actively avoided fighting the Japanese invaders and kept leeching resources off of the Chinese Nationalists and even punished anyone trying to fight the fascist Japanese (100 Regiments Offensive was the only battle they fought against Japan and Mao punished communist general Peng for "wasting wartime resources he could've used to backstab the Chinese Nationalists.") For 12 years Mao and his CCP cronies concocted lies while the Nationalists were too busy fighting the Japanese, that the CCP were the true heroes saving China and sent to die as cannon fodder by the unfair and lazy Nationalists. By 1949 they seized popular opinion and took over China and chased them out to Taiwan. By the way, the first nation to recognize the CCP as the one true government of China and not the ROC in China, was Japan in early 1972, with France. Even America held out until 1979 to use it as a bargaining chip to get China to invade Vietnam (a country where Japan butchered 2 million ppl in WW2). Japan was also the first nation to try to persuade the other nations to give a 2nd chance to the CCP after the Tiananmen Massacre, hoping to make it big selling its products in the Chinese market. Just like Germany focusing its destruction in the Eastern European regions led to only Eastern Europe becoming communist... the political turmoil, hyperinflation, genocides caused by Japan is what led to communist puppets being installed in the regions they ransacked. If China didn't become Communist thanks to Japan (Mao Zedong even invited Japanese ambassadors over in the 1960s, twice, to thank Japan for invading China to save him), then North Korea wouldn't even exist. North Vietnam wouldn't exist. Laos would not be communist. Neither would Cambodia. Seriously, when has Japan helped anyone with anything? All I see are gullible fools hoping Japan will do something but they already took all American money and tech and even stole some to sell to the Soviets, even against the COCOM Accords which were specifically designed just in case Japan pulled this. Not even China whose economy took off just like Japan did with American tech and money (theirs were huuuuge cash infusions for the Korean and Vietnam wars. The US tax dollars spent in Afghanistan doesn't even come close) pulled this shit. And both countries declare their economic success is totally their own and hide the American tech and money given to them, have 1-party rule since the 50s with ineffectual minor parties, and both have serious corruption and false numbers for their economic outputs and shoddy products that break in half _(The Evergiven ship blocking the Suez Canal was made in Japan, the Mitsubishi ship MOL Comfort split in two in the high seas due to Kobe steel fudging their specifications, Nissan and Olympus hires white CEOs to save their drowning company then when they pull it off suddenly fires them and scapegoats them for exposing their accounting frauds, etc.)_ When Korea took the lead for landing exercises in 2022 RIMPAC training with American allies, the Japanese walked out and refused to cooperate without giving any excuses, even. How are they contributing anything at all? Still blaming America for Pearl Harbor, still blaming their ongoing 30 year recession on the Plaza Accords when Germany also signed it and despite having to shell out for East German reconstruction (unlike Japan surrendering when Soviets were charging into Japan-occupied Manchuria to avoid getting their nation split up), is a central economy in Europe to the point everyone is complaining. Jesus I wish people will wake up from Japanese propaganda, wake up from thinking of nations based on mere vague "notions," and actually do the research.
In the past, Russia paid off its debts to South Korea with weapons instead Currently, Russia and China are invading Korean airspace. Russia's Tu-95 and a-50 early warning aircraft and China's h-6 are still highly sensitive to both countries, with airspace and territorial waters invading.
During Australian test, German's decided use new rubber composite armor on their Lynx IFV after saw AS21 was able save weight without losing protection. Also rubber coating on wheel suspension parts in AS21 made ride lot smoother compare to other IFV. Parts on AS21 will be much more accessible and cheaper than waiting for German parts with higher price. Weapons are no good if it's just sitting in storage waiting for maintenance parts.
I guess Polish Military’s evaluation on Redback will affect Australia’s Land 400 program. I believe ADF has already evaluated both Redback and Lynx, however no one knows which one would be selected as next gen AFV. In my opinion, AS-21 Redback is cost-effective machine thus Hanwha will build Redback production facility in Australia which will contribute creation of jobs.
If the Australian Labor government stopped mucking around and made a decision that was supposed to be made in September. Australian army would be better off. Labor in Australia have always been bad with defense decisions.I really think they do not care about our soldiers safety or fighting ability at all.
The advantage of Koreans is that they are willing to share some of the technology in the form of offset with potential partners. Of course, this is part of the strategy to strengthen the position of Korean manufacturers in the global arms market, so the promotion will only include those who will not miss the opportunity to do an honest deal with Koreans.
@@cplbruiser8267 If labor government decides to discard Land 400 projects, then we have to doubt seriously, if they are taking orders from their master CCP. I think when it comes to weapon procurement both labor and liberal did so many wrong things which highly affected ADFs combat readiness and capabilities. But at least liberals had common sense so when ScoMo was in charge they discarded ARH Tiger. Replacing the defective ARH Tiger with Apache was a good decision. I think there are so many issues to be improved in the future when the ADF would acquire high tech weapons.
I have been refraining from commenting further on Korea-Poland partnership but…. 1. AS21 is one of the best system out there. Considering the cost effectiveness, it is by far the best option for many. 2. The power pack is the same as K9 (German MTU) but given German reliability (?), Korea has developed new power pack with 1,130bhp (vs MTU 1,000). Due to the scale of economy (all K9 used by ROKA will be replaced with a Korean power pack and also further exports to India (200 units), Turkey (currently using 1,000 units) etc.) the cost is expected to be lower than the German. 3. The hull (suspension) has further room of 8-11t weight for future upgrades or better protection. Coupled with the improved powerpack and electricity generation capacity, this will give AS21 plenty of power to consider any future systems. 4. ZSSW30 turret is good and light unmanned turret but the production speed will be an issue as Poland will also adopt Borsuk in large numbers. Hanhwa already expressed its offer to integrate ZSSW30. 5. Tech transfer is not 100% all parts produced locally. Some key parts will be shipped in. 6. Poland can, again, be the European production and MRO centre for AS21 or K21PL for the region. If ZSSW30 is accepted by other buyers, this will open up new marketing opportunity for Poland as well. 6. Korean Army has tested AS21 and is currently working on next variant (largely cost reduction and Korean indigenous techs eg ATGM, APS, Power Pack etc.). This will take 3-5 years to complete. It is likely to be free of German parts as Korea is currently suffering severe delays with German parts (especially Type 219 submarines from HDW - all 219s are taken out from service due to a faulty system. All units need to be shipped to Germany for maintenance. Yet HDW refused to share what the issue is for over a year and no maintenance has been completed. $7bn worth submarines are all out of action due to this lack of assistance from the German producer. This is not the only such incident.). It is extremely unlikely for ROKA to accept any defence system that has German parts going forward. Once again, Poland should find an area where she has comparative advantage and make the partnership tow way (self propelled mortar system etc).
hello from korea. Thanks for giving a great comments about our K-21. But there needs to be a little bit of correction. We don't use German power pack anymore. K-9 1st generation used german power pack, but because of german power pack, we can't import our K-9 or other armored vehicle that using german power pack. So we decided to make our own power pack, since then we can import K-9 to Turkey, Saudi arabia, and etc. The reason why we can't import vehicle with German power pack is that Germany's arms embargo.
I did not know about the new engine for the AS-21. You're right, there would be a problem with the right number of ZSSW-30 towers, the Israeli ones are causing trouble in the Czech Republic, in Lithuania. The Polish defense ministry has a choice of either the AS-21 or waiting for the heavier Borsuk variant.
Well, the AS21 turned out to be not so good during the testing. The main issue was the awful Israeli turret with its 10-20% accuracy while moving, but the chassis was not much better - for example it didn't have the exhaust cooling system, which made it really well visible in thermals.
The AS-21 power pack is the same as the K-9, and will be converted to localization in Korea by 2023. (As Germany seeks to limit the supply of parts to some of Korea's allies) If Poland and Korea jointly develop the turret part, the proportion of Poland's own parts will increase. The South Korean military is trying to replace the mounted missiles with improved bow or bayonet missiles, and replace the "Iron Vision" and "Hard Kill" active defenses with Korean ones. When this work is completed, more than 900 AS-21s can be delivered to Korea.
@@greghops9452 You can say that because you didn't see that. The integrated system of target recognition and information transmission by interworking small AESA radars, lasers, and optical sensors is not so easy. For example, can a Polish turret enter an automatic launch standby state with the target accurately when the opponent is irradiated with an active infrared or laser? Is it possible to fire 30mm against the flying object? What is the flotation angle of the barrel, and does the automatic loading work with that flotation angle maintained? You can simply shoot a missile. It doesn't end with a 30mm turret.
@@greghops9452 That's why Pollard needs to develop a new technology that fits Poland. If we minimize Israeli technology, we need to develop it accordingly. That way, the armour will be viable in modern warfare.
South Koreans are in a real war stand off with NK. This puts them in a position where all weapons being used need to be as effective as possible. Especially considering that most of the country’s geological layout doesn’t give them the most comfortable situations for the vehicles. Ao all their modern original designs are very high spec compare to the price tag.
The war in Ukraine showed that the German equipment is mostly suitable for demonstrations, but in combat it is not very useful as it constantly breaks down and it takes weeks to repair. The Poles have learned to replace the barrels for ahs krab at the rear of the front and maintain the equipment, and this is what counts in the real fight to make the equipment available, not that it fires a week, and then 3 weeks in repair. As for Korean equipment, it is much better than German, in addition, Korea produces more weapons and missiles than the entire European Union, has great production facilities and the equipment is much less time-consuming than German, which is overrated
No. Puma and Lynx are absurdly modern and resilient IFVs when it comes to passive armor) protection. The Puma can utilize ERA, NERA and boron carbide/Syndine composite matrix enclosed with carbon-carbon, carbon nanotubes or some inane titanium alloy. So you already have three types of protection (overlayed if needed) only for the Puma shell. It can take upfront the tank shell! While it is far lighter than the Namer. One that, can or can not perform similarly. Puma is also the quietest tracked IFV in the world. By OVERRATED, you probably mean EVERY modern or historical western tank cannon made by the company Rheinmetall. I mean EVERY. NATO or eastern/Chinese/North Korean licence-manufactured (from Rheinmetall), stolen, copied, or reverse-engineered from their cannons? Poles already have their own modern IFV. But it is designed to be amphibious and thus light. Do you know what suspension utilizes KF-41 and which type the AS-21 has? Or maybe at least the system of the Puma? No? Sad. Maybe, if you would know, what is the size of AS-21 compared to Lynx, Puma or Borsuk... you wouldn't write such stupid claims. Koreans are also more flexible in terms of local licence production of the AS-21. On the other hand, the Polish govs are a bunch of idiots that have a problem with every European nation, Germans included. Not only European. They have a problem with the entire world - just like Putin. They hate all apart from maybe the US. So yes, the talks with the Koreans were not pleasant at all. Right from the start. More so, the childish idiotic claims over technical issues were picked up out of ass - just to confuse and call all the businessmen "liars." The Hanwha AS-21 is a solid choice. The Polish government is the problem. BTW. The title says"Redback" - the freaking Australian spider redback? It is called AS-21. The Redback is the LAND 400 offered IFV.
These modern vehicles are not being used in the Ukraine war, so no comparison can be made with issues on older equipment. If there are any at all I haven't heard of it.
@@HanSolo__ Do you have a problem with the Polish government? And what? Perhaps one that the Germans do not allow their nose or ears to be pulled like other countries? GB quickly understood what was happening in the EU and also did not let it go. Do you think the rest of the world likes or dislikes others depending on what the Germans like? "They hate all apart from maybe the US" - and who exactly? Talk honestly with ordinary people in Europe, but do not say that you are German, maybe they will tell you what they really think about Germans, so informally. You will be amazed and surprised. Except for Austria and the Netherlands.
Germany has reduced military spending and neglected the development of new weapons over the last few decades. They spend less than 1% of GDP into defense, and even most of that is labor costs. Meanwhile, South Korea spends huge amount of money on defense which is almost 3% of GDP, and most of that goes to weapons development because labor costs are very low under the conscription system. That's why korea can deliver weapons to poland much faster than germany and why korean weapons are much more cost-effective than germany's. South korea has been maintaining huge defense industry, which is in the best interest of Poland. I recommend Poland to adopt korean made weapons. You will never regret.
"neglected the development of new weapons over the last few decades." - that's not true. It's private companies that are investing in development, not the state. Germany is still one of the leading military technology innovators, and the world's 5th largest military tech exporter, even while having legal export limitations. Without those limitations, they would export even more. "They spend less than 1% of GDP into defense" - that's also not true. It's not about how fast weapons are delivered to Poland. Poland wants to produce weapons locally, and because of the Polish PiS party's feud with Germany, they don't want to buy German equipment.
@UCcIJmwWJrdOJX0dFvJ9VQEA You are completely out of your element here. What part of world's 5th largest exporter don't you understand ? German defense companies do not rely on the German government for funding. If they did that, they would have closed shop a long time ago. Companies like Diehl, Rheinmetall, KMW, Hensoldt, H&K, MTU, etc are some of the leading companies in their field, they design, build, license and deliver components and systems that are used all over the world in many other defense and civilian industries. You think the Americans have great fighter jets and helicopters and you'd be right, but the F-16, F-15, F-18, CH-53K, NASA X-59 engines have German parts, and so does Saab Gripen, the Korean KAI KF21 jet and many others. Engines, gearboxes, sensors, radars, optics, armor packages , etc made or developed in Germany are ubiquitous in Western militaries. So your points are invalid and badly researched, you just pull stuff out of your ass.
w tym modelu jest izraelska wieża. Warto zainteresować się: 1.problem rumuńskich piranii z izraelską wieżą 2. problem litewskich boxerów KTO z izraelską wieżą 3. afera z backdorami w izraelskich wieżach, które znajdowały się w BWP dla Australii -wieża zaczęła wysyłać informacje o pozycji pojazdu nie tylko do australijskich sił zbrojnych...Australia wykopała Izraelskie technologie z projektu 4. Izrael produkuje takie wieże dopiero od kilku lat 5. PPK wysuwa się z wewnątrz wieży - można sobie porównać to rozwiązanie z wieżami innych wozów, nie tylko polska ZSSW-30, 6. czeskie Pandury - chodzą słuchy że nie obyło się bez problemów z RCWS 30 7. już jakiś czas temu polskie testy w komorach klimatycznych na wieżach RCWS30 i UTD 30 - problemy z ich funkcjonowaniem w ujemnych temperaturach powyższe informacje łatwo dostępne w internecie
폴란드 군이 러시아의 중보병사단의 종심을 돌파하는 용도로 레드백장갑차를 고려한다면 후회하지 않을 선택입니다~알겠지만 레드백은 전투중량이 40톤이 넘는 중장갑 장갑차이고 아이언비젼 같은 첨단기술 채용으로 장갑차 내부에서 외부 상황을 상세히 알 수 있죠 제한적이지만 러시아탱크와 교전해도 일방적으로 당하지 않고 탱크를 잡을 수 있다고 봅니다 폴란드국민들도 알겠지만 한국은 수십년동안 북한과의 전면전이 언제든 일어날 수 있다고 믿고 대규모의 육군을 유지하고 있습니다 k9, k55 자주포를 2500 대 이상 보유하고 있을 정도로 육군력에 진심인 나라죠~그러니 한국이 만든 탱크, 장갑차, 자주포 등의 지상무기들은 의심 없이 구매해도 됩니다 한국인들은 폴란드가 도입한 무기들에 문제가 생기면 신속히 해결해줄 의지와 능력이 있어요 한국도 레드백을 도입할 생각이라 후속군수지원도 전혀 문제가 없습니다 믿고 레드백을 도입해주세요~
유럽에서는 지난 30년 동안 전쟁이 일어날 수 있다고 아무도 믿지 않았기 때문에 군대가 거의 70% 감소했습니다. 폴란드가 소유한 많은 무기는 여전히 소련 시대를 기억합니다. 이 모든 무기는 이제 조국을 위해 용감하게 싸우는 우크라이나인들에게 넘겨졌습니다. 그러는 동안 폴란드는 군대를 현대화하고 푸틴의 더 이상의 침략을 저지하기 위해 군사 강국이 되려고 노력하고 있습니다. 폴란드가 약 400개의 Redback을 구매할 것이 거의 확실합니다. 폴란드에서는 무인 포탑이 장착된 Redback 구매도 검토 중이며, 이는 현재 NATO군 사이에서 표준이 되고 있습니다.
사실, 나는 우리가 당신의 제품을 선택할 것이라고 확신합니다. 한국의 솔루션이 세계 최고라고 믿어 의심치 않습니다. 현재 솔루션의 유일한 단점은 이스라엘 타워이지만 한국 기업의 파트너가 제안한대로 폴란드 타워를 설치할 수 있습니다. 폴란드의 포탑을 사용하는 것도 우리가 무인 포탑을 가지고 있기 때문에 한국에도 도움이 될 것이라고 생각합니다. 우리 쪽에서도 기술 이전에 문제가 없다고 생각합니다.
At least, I think South Korean ground weapon is top-tier in many respects because we ready for massive ground war for 70 years after Korean war. South Korea still located in front line of democratic countries as West German do in coldwar.
This was not a test, but only a driving range. Testing involves subjecting a vehicle to various extreme tests in which the vehicle is subjected to various damage and wear. Unfortunately, the range ride itself revealed a huge number of design flaws and defects in both the Korean chassis and the Israeli turret. The ride came out so badly that Poland will almost certainly abandon the purchase of these vehicles. The AS-21 was subjected to a training ground ride along with the Polish BWP Borsuk in which it performed sensationally. The problem is that the AS-21 is a heavy IFV, while the Borsuk is a light IFV - a floating one. In response, the Korean side proposed joint development with the Polish AS-21PL. The fuselage would be improved by Polish engineers, while the Israeli turret would be replaced by the Polish unmanned ZSSW-30 turret or an improved version. The Polish side has not yet officially responded to this proposal.
These are the solution to refit their armed forces with a vehicle that supplements their Badger IFV and makes sure enough enter service in the short term.
It is only a showpiece. There is no common complementation need for any solutions, and 100% not out of things shown here. Badger, as you call it, is the complete vehicle. Like what would you like to take from AS-21 and put in the small light IFV which is production ready?
@@HanSolo__ learn how to read. The Badger is a light IFV and these are the heavy IFV to supplement the capabilities if you had a basic reading level you might actually learn more.
NATO countries were not prepared for war when Russia invaded Ukraine. To know that NATO countries can lean on S Korea for weapons and ammunition is good thing for Europe.
polish power From Korea , Korea supplies tank, howitzer, k239, k4, k10 , and FA-50. KF-21 is masterpiece and Airbus wants to produce KF-21 in their factory.
Fajny złomiik, wiem że parę sztuk kupimy - oby z naszą wieżą bo jest nowocześniejsza i lepsza. Współpraca z Koreą może być bardzo korzystna dla obu krajów - tak być powinno.
Jak kupimy to raczej dla 6 batalionów czyli 348 sztuk plus coś do szkolenia. Nasza ZSSW-30 jest świetna tylko musimy je szybko wyprodukować, bo są potrzebne jeszcze na Rosomaki i Borsuki. Pozdrawiam
No okazało się że nie taki fajny - nie dość że działko ma celność porównywalną do muszkietu (10-20% celności w ruchu), to jeszcze kadłub nie ma systemu chłodzenia spalin, więc w termo świeci się jak psu jajca:)
@@olekzajac5948 pisałem w poprzednim komentarzu, dali dupy Koreańczycy teraz robią dziwne miny, ale ja bym im dął kolejną szansę PL-21 z ZSSW-30 i poprawione podwozie.
@@JanKowalski-he3gh No właśnie nie wiadomo czy trzeba - Borsuk w najnowszej wersji (28 ton i dalej pływa) jest odporny z przodu na najczęściej używaną rosyjską amunicję 30 mm, czyli 3UBR6 i 3UBR8 (więc trochę poniżej poziomu V), a z boków i tyłu na 12,7 mm (poziom III+). Więc biorąc pod uwagę że ma jeszcze kilka ton zapasu (a demontując pędniki wodne i zakładając gumi-gąski takie jak na pierwszym prototypie można jeszcze ze 2 tony zaoszczędzić) to bez ingerencji w konstrukcję kadłuba można by zapewne wyciągnąć z przodu poziom V a dookoła poziom IV, co daje już bardzo sensowne opancerzenie, porównywalne zdaje się z najnowszymi BWP M2. W razie potrzeby bez zmiany przekładni ani przekonstruowania przedziału napędowego można też wymienić silnik na mocniejszy. I z czymś takim spokojnie można by czekać aż HSW opracuje nową skorupę kadłuba w ramach "Borsuka heavy". Bartek Kucharski dzisiaj o tym pisał na Twitterze (w ogóle od wczoraj jakoś dużo Borsuka na Twitterze), bardzo fajnie streścił wszystkie możliwości rozwojowe tej platformy.
@@olekzajac5948 Bartosz Kucharki to taki gość który czasem nie wiem czy pisze po polsku czy po rosyjsku, albo niemiecku. To nie jest takie proste że obłoży się pancerzem, wymieni silnik i będzie git. Damian Ratka właśnie zwracał uwagę na takich pseudo ekspertów , opracowanie ciężkiego Borsuka będzie trwało. Już kiedyś pisaliśmy na ten temat ze sobą, mnie pomysł ciężkiego BWP dla 18 Dywizji się podoba, ale płakać po nim nie będę, dla naszej gospodarki najlepsza byłaby decyzja o budowie ciężkiego wariantu Borsuka, rozumiem że MON wolałby BWP na już. Dziś frustrujące jest że mimo przedłużenia licencji na Rosomaka , nie ma zamówienie na 4 bataliony kołowych BWP dla 21 Brygady, w 16 Dywizji też jedna brygada miała być na KTO, ale teraz słyszę że 15 Brygada dostanie pierwsze Borsuki, a to była brygada przewidywana na KTO. Także ciężki BWP to taki wydumany kłopot, są ważniejsze kwestie.
Well - now it's more clear. After short test ride in Poland Hanwha made following offer. Project name PL-21, based on version of Redback developed for US OMFV tender proposal but with Polish turret instead of US one (in Bradley's successor tender they use Oshkosh unmanned turret, with some slight differences from AS-21 made for Australian tender). Turret integration to be done in Poland, Hanwha to deliver hulls and send engineers to support integration. So, at the moment Elbit turret is not even a part of Hanwha's proposal to Poland. Which is understandable after issues it had in our climate... Interesting that they want to use variant meant for US tender rather than one made for Australian tender. Must be closer in terms of environmental conditions.
There are at least two reasons why they want to use the Oshkosh OMFV chassis rather than the AS21 one: 1. The AS21 chassis also didn't do particularly well during the testing - one of the main issues was lack of the exhaust cooling system and thus its unacceptable thermal signature, but from what I know there were more issues. 2. We want the ZSSW-30 turret which is unmanned. That creates a need for a commander's hatch in the chassis roof which the AS21 chassis neither doesn't have nor does it have enough room to install it. So the only logical option would be to use the Oshkosh OMFV chassis which uses an unmanned turret and thus has a commander's hatch. But I'd still prefer if HSW built a heavy variant of the Borsuk instead of buying the heavy IFV abroad.
@@olekzajac5948 HSW will be making Borsuk for next 10 years going by potential order size. And Borsuk had some particular design choices to make it be capable of swimming. Korean heavy IFV could be worth it if they manage to sell back license for ZSSW-30 to Koreans or just make it for their designs. They seem to always use imported turrets, which hurts their margin. There's some possibility of getting win-win scenario here.
@@olekzajac5948 Doczekałeś się, będzie ciężki BWP z HSW. Szkoda, że tak późno. Gdyby decyzję podjęto kilka lat temu to dzisiaj projekt byłby w zaawansowanym stadium rozwoju, a tak to trzeba będzie sporo czekać.
@@JacquesDeWolay Jakaś sprawdzona wiadomość? z tego co wiem Koreańczycy zaproponowali dwa warianty jednym z nich jest właśnie z naszą wieżą w takim razie jeszcze raz zapytam skąd wiesz że nie dostanie masz jakieś źródło podaj link.
Jak sobie obejrzysz ceremonie podpisania umowy na ZSSW-30 na nasze Rosomaki, to mozesz uslyszec ile HSW jest ich w stanie rocznie wyprodukowac. Do tego dojdzie Chéĉ zamowienia Borsuków przez nasz MON. Nawet jak Koreañczycy przejmom od nas licencje na produkcje ZSSW-30 u siebie, to I tak jest niemal pewne ze jakàš liczbe Redback-ów bédziemy musieli z obecnà wiezá zakupiĉ.
Being from AU ; I've followed this AS21 Redback closely. May I make the observation and this suggestion about the equipment bustle rack above the rear troop dismount ramp: mostly for ergonomic reasons. keeping their heads down is fine but troops doing so bowed .with a combat load will not be good for their backs. Also the dismounting troops need to be able to see safe ground; to effectively clear the vehicle. I make an assumption that the fuel tanks are on the rear corners. My suggestion is that a better choice is two vertical multi-shelf equipment bustle racks; each rack behind each rear corner. Those racks may need to be on lockable hinges to swing out of the way for access or for directional shielding?
According to some polish specialists .. Polish Army is interested in buying only base of AS-21 , trensfering technology of IFV without the turret . They want replace it with ZSU-30 unmanned polish turret to unify ROSOMAK , BORSUK , AS-21 . But time will tell . now is too early to say witch heavy IFV will be in Polish Army . Koreans show that they want to cooperate and even transfer technology and production . It is important for Poland . German Lynx will be produced in Hungary . I thing it is also very good IFV . Our neighbor Slovakia has chosen CV-90 MK IV as the best for them . But all the cards are on the table .
many people have a negative opinion about the purchase of military equipment from Korea, but most of the negative comments are from Germany, where they were very moved that they lost the chance for multi-billion dollar contracts, so they invented the shields of Europe and remember my words that in the end it will turn out that no y propose that every country buy the Iris-t system from Germany, that's what they want. And buy Poland in Korea, because the implementation time is the fastest and the most technology transfer is made available by Koreans
😂😂😂 what the hell are you talking about. I don't know a single German that talks bad about South Korea and South Korean weapons. YOU make up a lot of lies about Germany and German weapons
신동민 10일 전(수정됨) 또하나 추진해야할문제는 새로운 자유서방국밸트를 형성하는것입니다. (미.영.호주.뉴질랜드. 캐나다 )는물론이고 북유럽. 동유럽 . 을 기점으로 점차 중앙아시아로 확대 하여 경제 .안보. 군사협력에서 동맹수준으로 결속이 이루어져야합니다. 한반도 국경으로 군사적 개입이 있을경우 (또는 국제질서를 혼란을야기하는국가) 본토를 타격할수있는 탄도 미사일밸트를 형성하는것입니다. 그러기 위해서는 이번 폴란드 협력을통해 폴란드 현지 군비창 을 빠르게 건설하고 한반도 유사시 중공견재로 폴란드와 군비창협력은 필수입니다. 필요하면 폴란드에서 생산되는 무기로 군을 무장해야하기때문입니다. 일본은 협력하되 잠재적 적성국으로분리 하면됩니다. 프랑스와독일은 제외하는게 좋읍니다.
Dies ist das Standard Mk44 Bushmaster II 30 mm. Standard für die polnische Armee. Es wirkt filigran, weil der Turm überdimensioniert ist. Ich hoffe, dass ich diesen Turm nicht im Zustand der polnischen Armee sehen werde.
sigh comes out. This armored vehicle, which has not yet been introduced by the Korean military, is being used by Poland first.. As a Korean, I envy Poland.
It is Australian turret based on Israeli Elbit turret with Australian EOS fire control systems optics etc. Israeli armour Plasan, hull and rest South Korean like hull bar Canadian Soucy tracks and in arm hydro pneumatic suspension, American Alison transmission with German MTU Engine, American 30mm Bushmaster chain gun, American 7.62mg. All put together by Australia for Land 400 phase 3 which it won.
Australian ifv, hull is South Korean with Eos Aussie turret based on Elbit turret from Israel, plasan did armour from Israel, Australia put everything together for land 400 which it won. Used by Australia first not Poland, they tested after Australia and South Korea.
Well... to drop some less official information from this test... AS-21 hull performed great, everything was within specs or better, no issues. Suprisingly there were some issues with the turret. In cold climate and higher humidity of Polish atumn opinions were much less optimistic. Based on that I think that if Poland goes with AS-21, the turret will be ditched for a domestic one. As for exact problems - there is no official report available so... I can only assume it has to do with environmental factors. Somehow it's not suprising, Israeli made turrets seem to have higher failure rates in areas with high humidity and low temperatures in general. As if ... they were designed for areas that are hot and dry :) .
This is why S Korean ground force equipment have to work in all environments. Same piece of equipment has to work in hot/humid summer and also in winter time that can get cold as bad as Siberia. And different terrain too. In such a small piece of land.
@@dabda8510 Climate wise Korea is similar to Poland. So anything that works in Korea will work in Poland. Though AS-21 turret was meant for Australia, which has totally different climate, and is not in service in ROK army. I think that if it was meant for ROK it might've been rejected as well. Having said that - there are some reported problems with all turrets made by Israel's Elbit Systems purchased by countries in Eastern Europe. They make complex and advanced turrets but they have suprisingly high failure rate in cold conditions. Poland previously tested Elbit's turret 2 times for some modernisation programs, and both times these turrets failed environmental chamber tests... But Elbit has strong marketing, and some very advanced fancy "toys" that most other manufacuturers can't replicate.
It's not AS-21 yet!!! Until the Aussies adopt it for their standard, it's a variant of the K-21, so, it should be called as 'K-21-Redback' or just 'Redback', and if Korean Army take it as their standard first as the successor of the old K-21, then it will have to be called as K-21-Redback-AS or K-21-Redback-PL so on...
Roka wont adopt the redback, its too heavy for koreas terrain They did take on a few, not for actual employment but to create operational data to assist exports
Hm naja, ist wohl eine Philosophiefrage. Wenn ich mir den AS-21 Redback ansehe soll das System wohl eher offensiv eingesetzt werden. Ich kenne mich zu wenig mit Polnischer Militär Doktrin aus um bewerten zu können wie sie die Systeme im Feld kombiniert einsetzten. Wäre interessant zu sehen wie der IFV später mit dem K9- Black Panther zusammen spielt.
AS 21 as a heavy IFV are intended to cooperate together with Abrams tank. Lighter Polish Badger IFV which has swimming capabilities are intented to cooperate with K2 tank.
Sie haben Recht, AS-21 es ist ein sehr offensives System. Nach den Plänen soll die 18. Eisendivision 6 Abrams-Bataillone (6 x 58-Panzer) haben und die AS-21 wird mit ihnen zusammenarbeiten. Die 18. Division wird auch die erste sein, die koreanische K-239-Trägerraketen und amerikanische AH-64E-Kampfhubschrauber erhält.
All of this is due to the loss of production capacity due to German disarmament. This contract may have been for Rheinmetall AG, if only the delivery deadlines of Leopard 2PL had been kept. Germany doesn't have to be too bad. Because the engine and transmission will be entered by the German system. Recently, Hyundai-Rotem signed a large-volume procurement contract with a German company for engines and transmissions.
잘못알고 있네...정확하게 알려줄께 k2(한국에서 폴란드로 직수출버젼) 180대 : 한국엔진 + 독일 변속기(확정) k2pl(폴란드 현지 생산버젼) 880대 : 한국엔진 + 한국변속기(예정) 1500마력의 엔진은 이미 오래전부터 만들어져 있었다. 다만 9600km연속 주행이라는 너무 어려운 테스트에서 마지막에 변속기가 문제를 일으킨것 때문에 변속기 생산이 미루어져 있던건데, 사실 9600km연속 주행 시험은 전세계 그 어떤 엔진+변속기 조합도 해낸적이 없다. 심지어 독일 엔진도... k2가 에이브람스나 Leopard 보다 10톤이상 가벼우면서도 이 두 탱크와 똑같은 1500마력 엔진을 탑재하는 이유는 한국 국토의 70%가 산이기 때문이다. 험한 산지 에서도 날렵한 기동력을 내기 위해. 어려운 테스트에서 실패한후 개량을 거듭했고 결국 얼마전에 변속기가 테스트를 통과했다. 한국의 밀리터리 전문 잡지에서 이걸 취재했고 현대로템 관계자는 이 변속기의 가격과 신뢰도 확인 작업이 이루어진다면 곧바로 적용가능하다고 함.
Im so glad Poland signed so many contracts with South Korea… Soon Poland will be able to produce their own military equipment, thanks to the transfer of technology. German firms were not willing to do that, plus the waiting period for any orders would be too long. So good to be eventually independent, and making decisions based on our needs. I hope Russia will stay away from Poland and Central Europe 4ever. 🎃
Germany has strict weapons export laws, that's what's limiting the production capacity, not Germany's disarmament. The Saudis wanted to buy German equipment, but due to human rights abuses, the German government blocked the sale. So the US got in, and the Saudis got billions worth of US equipment. Germany is still the 5th largest weapons exporter in the world, but they could be even better placed without the legal limitations. It's also the reason why the SIG Sauer company moved their business out of Germany to the US.
No.The contract is due to the fact that Germany is not a reliable ally. During the Polish-Russian war, if it were, we are free from German pressure as to spare parts ... Production in Poland matters here. No more contacts with military Germany, the future belongs to Asia there is now high technology is Asia ( Korea , Japan , )Europe have solar panels that's it.We still have to build a central airport in Central Europe .. Which port will give us a direct connection with Asia for cultural, scientific and technological exchange .. We are making a turn towards the economic heart of the world .. Being, of course , in the EU .. We have our own interests We want strong Poland in Central East Europe..
According to a Chile chemical scientist, venom of redback or spider is a raw material of medicine which makes man's sexual power very strong, far better than Viagra.
폴란드인이여... 제품을 보지 말고 그 이면에 있는 조건을 보세요. 우리는 수익도 중요하지만 기술을 이전할 수 있는 자신감이 있어요. 그것이 폴란드인에게 도움이 될 것입니다. 10년 정도의 시간 뒤에... 어서 빨리 일어서세요.. 기다릴게요... 그리고 함께 갑시다. 자유를 향해...
당신이 옳습니다. 독일과 미국은 전 세계가 아닙니다.///////Masz rację.Niemcy i USA to nie cały świat.Kasa,Kasa i ograniczenia w transferze technologii.Dlatego Polska korzysta z doświadczeń Korei
AS-21은 폴란드 Borsuk의 군사 구조를 보완하기 위한 것입니다.첫째, 한국형이 나쁘기 때문에 포탑을 ZZSw로 변경하는 것입니다./////AS-21 ma uzupełnić polskiego Borsuka w strukturze wojska.Po pierwsze zmienić wieże na ZZSw bo ta na koreańskim jest zła .Po pierwsze załogowa nasza bezzałogowa.Co zwiększa możliwość dopancerzenia.Wieża koreańska jest de faco wieżą izraelską
The only thing I do not like is the driver's hatch. It should be completely sealed, and he should have a camera with a screen instead. This hatch may be a weak spot. I like the idea that Poles will likely use their own ZSSW-30 turret for this one... Excellent cooperation with Koreans :)
@@Кролик-ф1р This dude has no idea what is the Mk 1 Optics System. Leave him. I'm sure he knows how looks the fire hazard drill for the captured driver. I mean, not like it is scary as fcuk, right?
The driver's hatch is fully sealed and is now equipped with Israel's Iron Vision. For the Korean version of AS-21 in Korea, the development of technology to replace Iron Vision is almost complete and will begin the test evaluation. Search Iron Vision.
@@HanSolo__ dude dont be rude . from the other side Im lucky I have you and your broad knowledge... thank you master tank you thank you... it was a sarcasm if you didn't get it... ffs what a guy...
@@koen6812 1. problem rumuńskich piranii z izraelską wieżą 2. problem litewskich boxerów KTO z izraelską wieżą 3. afera z backdorami w izraelskich wieżach, które znajdowały się w BWP dla Australii -wieża zaczęła wysyłać informacje o pozycji pojazdu nie tylko do australijskich sił zbrojnych...Australia wykopała Izraelskie technologie z projektu 4. Izrael produkuje takie wieże dopiero od kilku lat 5. PPK wysuwa się z wewnątrz wieży - można sobie porównać to rozwiązanie z wieżami innych wozów, nie tylko polska ZSSW-30, 6. czeskie Pandury - chodzą słuchy że nie obyło się bez problemów z RCWS 30 7. już jakiś czas temu polskie testy w komorach klimatycznych na wieżach RCWS30 i UTD 30 - problemy z ich funkcjonowaniem w ujemnych temperaturach powyższe informacje łatwo dostępne w internecie
Germany fails to run puma. There are so many problems on puma ifv. Borsuk? Krab is made of k9 chasis and uk turret. No more krabs , Hyundai Rotem will supply 48 chasises and no more. Full booked. Even UK will buy k9a2 howitzer from Korea. Borsuk? Well ... For the safety of soldiers, skip Borsuk.
세계 최고의 첨단장갑자 레드백은 대한민국 준전시 상황에서 심혈을 기울려 개발한 최고의 장갑차며 대한민국 군대의 세계최고강군을 위한 장갑차로써 앞으로 포탑에 탑제한 레이저건과 미래미사일. 첨단엔진개발.전자동화시스템.무인화등 대한민국의 최첨단 IT기울이 정목된 레드백의 선택은 폴란드 국민들의 염뭔인 자주국방에 첨병이되리라 자부할것입니다
South Korea is in a unique situation. They have North koreans breathing down their neck and also have China and Russia next to them as well. Even though Japan is a democratic nation, due to Japan's historical aggression towards them they have mixed feeling towards them similar to to how Poles feel about Germany. Being surrounded by big powers that can be hostile they are on constant alert and they have to step up their game when it comes to armament and defense. After 70 years of dealing with North Korea and being surrouded by hostile nations they learned how to produce weapons that are effective and yet cost efficient.
한국인도 아니면서 한국의 상황을 완벽하게 알고 있네요 👍👍👍
It's not just that. China is actually NOT threatening Korea yet with military exercises but Japan has been doing it to Korea for many years, sending Japanese ships to threaten to take Korea's eastern islands AGAIN and repeat history. To be frank, ordinary people in south Korea do NOT care much about the North Korean missile launches because that's what they do every year anyway... unless North Korea actually sends tanks to push for a land grab or something but that hasn't happened.
And honestly, South Koreans are not worried about North Korea's pitiful all-bark-and-no-bite army at all, they know the real power backing NK is China.
But China is only communist because of Japan starting WW2 in 1937 with no declaration of war (as with every single war Japan started in its history, all dozen of them in the 1900s). The Nationalists in China, after a long trek, cornered the Chinese Communist Party and were just about to catch and execute Mao Zedong when the President of China got kidnapped and forced to sign a peace treaty with the CCP. During the Sino-Japanese war, even the Soviet advisors to the CCP testified that the CCP actively avoided fighting the Japanese invaders and kept leeching resources off of the Chinese Nationalists and even punished anyone trying to fight the fascist Japanese (100 Regiments Offensive was the only battle they fought against Japan and Mao punished communist general Peng for "wasting wartime resources he could've used to backstab the Chinese Nationalists.") For 12 years Mao and his CCP cronies concocted lies while the Nationalists were too busy fighting the Japanese, that the CCP were the true heroes saving China and sent to die as cannon fodder by the unfair and lazy Nationalists. By 1949 they seized popular opinion and took over China and chased them out to Taiwan.
By the way, the first nation to recognize the CCP as the one true government of China and not the ROC in China, was Japan in early 1972, with France. Even America held out until 1979 to use it as a bargaining chip to get China to invade Vietnam (a country where Japan butchered 2 million ppl in WW2). Japan was also the first nation to try to persuade the other nations to give a 2nd chance to the CCP after the Tiananmen Massacre, hoping to make it big selling its products in the Chinese market.
Just like Germany focusing its destruction in the Eastern European regions led to only Eastern Europe becoming communist... the political turmoil, hyperinflation, genocides caused by Japan is what led to communist puppets being installed in the regions they ransacked. If China didn't become Communist thanks to Japan (Mao Zedong even invited Japanese ambassadors over in the 1960s, twice, to thank Japan for invading China to save him), then North Korea wouldn't even exist. North Vietnam wouldn't exist. Laos would not be communist. Neither would Cambodia.
Seriously, when has Japan helped anyone with anything? All I see are gullible fools hoping Japan will do something but they already took all American money and tech and even stole some to sell to the Soviets, even against the COCOM Accords which were specifically designed just in case Japan pulled this. Not even China whose economy took off just like Japan did with American tech and money (theirs were huuuuge cash infusions for the Korean and Vietnam wars. The US tax dollars spent in Afghanistan doesn't even come close) pulled this shit.
And both countries declare their economic success is totally their own and hide the American tech and money given to them, have 1-party rule since the 50s with ineffectual minor parties, and both have serious corruption and false numbers for their economic outputs and shoddy products that break in half _(The Evergiven ship blocking the Suez Canal was made in Japan, the Mitsubishi ship MOL Comfort split in two in the high seas due to Kobe steel fudging their specifications, Nissan and Olympus hires white CEOs to save their drowning company then when they pull it off suddenly fires them and scapegoats them for exposing their accounting frauds, etc.)_ When Korea took the lead for landing exercises in 2022 RIMPAC training with American allies, the Japanese walked out and refused to cooperate without giving any excuses, even. How are they contributing anything at all?
Still blaming America for Pearl Harbor, still blaming their ongoing 30 year recession on the Plaza Accords when Germany also signed it and despite having to shell out for East German reconstruction (unlike Japan surrendering when Soviets were charging into Japan-occupied Manchuria to avoid getting their nation split up), is a central economy in Europe to the point everyone is complaining. Jesus I wish people will wake up from Japanese propaganda, wake up from thinking of nations based on mere vague "notions," and actually do the research.
We've also been under US's gapgil in arms, which you won't find in Korean arms any more.
You know our country so well !!
North Korea, China, Japan, Russia... We don't have a country we can trust around
In the past, Russia paid off its debts to South Korea with weapons instead
Currently, Russia and China are invading Korean airspace.
Russia's Tu-95 and a-50 early warning aircraft and China's h-6 are still highly sensitive to both countries, with airspace and territorial waters invading.
Poland is Korea's ally.
I love Poland.
From Korea.
💪🇵🇱💓💓💓
During Australian test, German's decided use new rubber composite armor on their Lynx IFV after saw AS21 was able save weight without losing protection. Also rubber coating on wheel suspension parts in AS21 made ride lot smoother compare to other IFV. Parts on AS21 will be much more accessible and cheaper than waiting for German parts with higher price. Weapons are no good if it's just sitting in storage waiting for maintenance parts.
"waiting for German parts with higher price" - the whole point is to produce the IFV locally, this argument is not valid.
@@scratchy996 Producing the IFV locally is NOT making every part.
@@scratchy996
License production is at the detailed assembly level, not the production of core parts.
@@scratchy996 I bet korean shipped& arrived much faster then German made
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Beautiful machine 😍
I guess Polish Military’s evaluation on Redback will affect Australia’s Land 400 program. I believe ADF has already evaluated both Redback and Lynx, however no one knows which one would be selected as next gen AFV. In my opinion, AS-21 Redback is cost-effective machine thus Hanwha will build Redback production facility in Australia which will contribute creation of jobs.
If the Australian Labor government stopped mucking around and made a decision that was supposed to be made in September. Australian army would be better off. Labor in Australia have always been bad with defense decisions.I really think they do not care about our soldiers safety or fighting ability at all.
The advantage of Koreans is that they are willing to share some of the technology in the form of offset with potential partners. Of course, this is part of the strategy to strengthen the position of Korean manufacturers in the global arms market, so the promotion will only include those who will not miss the opportunity to do an honest deal with Koreans.
정확한 판단입니다. 한국인들은 약속을 지키는 민족이고 폴란드에게 거의 모든 기술을 넘겨줄겁니다.
@@cplbruiser8267 If labor government decides to discard Land 400 projects, then we have to doubt seriously, if they are taking orders from their master CCP. I think when it comes to weapon procurement both labor and liberal did so many wrong things which highly affected ADFs combat readiness and capabilities. But at least liberals had common sense so when ScoMo was in charge they discarded ARH Tiger. Replacing the defective ARH Tiger with Apache was a good decision. I think there are so many issues to be improved in the future when the ADF would acquire high tech weapons.
Latest news from Polish tests are that Elbit turret is absolute crap. Instead we'll opt to integrate indigenous unmanned ZSSW30 turret.
I have been refraining from commenting further on Korea-Poland partnership but….
1. AS21 is one of the best system out there. Considering the cost effectiveness, it is by far the best option for many.
2. The power pack is the same as K9 (German MTU) but given German reliability (?), Korea has developed new power pack with 1,130bhp (vs MTU 1,000). Due to the scale of economy (all K9 used by ROKA will be replaced with a Korean power pack and also further exports to India (200 units), Turkey (currently using 1,000 units) etc.) the cost is expected to be lower than the German.
3. The hull (suspension) has further room of 8-11t weight for future upgrades or better protection. Coupled with the improved powerpack and electricity generation capacity, this will give AS21 plenty of power to consider any future systems.
4. ZSSW30 turret is good and light unmanned turret but the production speed will be an issue as Poland will also adopt Borsuk in large numbers. Hanhwa already expressed its offer to integrate ZSSW30.
5. Tech transfer is not 100% all parts produced locally. Some key parts will be shipped in.
6. Poland can, again, be the European production and MRO centre for AS21 or K21PL for the region. If ZSSW30 is accepted by other buyers, this will open up new marketing opportunity for Poland as well.
6. Korean Army has tested AS21 and is currently working on next variant (largely cost reduction and Korean indigenous techs eg ATGM, APS, Power Pack etc.). This will take 3-5 years to complete. It is likely to be free of German parts as Korea is currently suffering severe delays with German parts (especially Type 219 submarines from HDW - all 219s are taken out from service due to a faulty system. All units need to be shipped to Germany for maintenance. Yet HDW refused to share what the issue is for over a year and no maintenance has been completed. $7bn worth submarines are all out of action due to this lack of assistance from the German producer. This is not the only such incident.). It is extremely unlikely for ROKA to accept any defence system that has German parts going forward.
Once again, Poland should find an area where she has comparative advantage and make the partnership tow way (self propelled mortar system etc).
Glad You mention ZSSW30. It is Polish treasure, No army has this good UNMANNED turret
hello from korea. Thanks for giving a great comments about our K-21. But there needs to be a little bit of correction. We don't use German power pack anymore. K-9 1st generation used german power pack, but because of german power pack, we can't import our K-9 or other armored vehicle that using german power pack. So we decided to make our own power pack, since then we can import K-9 to Turkey, Saudi arabia, and etc. The reason why we can't import vehicle with German power pack is that Germany's arms embargo.
I did not know about the new engine for the AS-21. You're right, there would be a problem with the right number of ZSSW-30 towers, the Israeli ones are causing trouble in the Czech Republic, in Lithuania. The Polish defense ministry has a choice of either the AS-21 or waiting for the heavier Borsuk variant.
@@kevin1 Export u mean. Import is buying from outside. If you sell to outsiders you export.
Well, the AS21 turned out to be not so good during the testing. The main issue was the awful Israeli turret with its 10-20% accuracy while moving, but the chassis was not much better - for example it didn't have the exhaust cooling system, which made it really well visible in thermals.
The AS-21 power pack is the same as the K-9, and will be converted to localization in Korea by 2023. (As Germany seeks to limit the supply of parts to some of Korea's allies)
If Poland and Korea jointly develop the turret part, the proportion of Poland's own parts will increase.
The South Korean military is trying to replace the mounted missiles with improved bow or bayonet missiles, and replace the "Iron Vision" and "Hard Kill" active defenses with Korean ones.
When this work is completed, more than 900 AS-21s can be delivered to Korea.
Poland has already built better turret.
@@greghops9452 You can say that because you didn't see that. The integrated system of target recognition and information transmission by interworking small AESA radars, lasers, and optical sensors is not so easy. For example, can a Polish turret enter an automatic launch standby state with the target accurately when the opponent is irradiated with an active infrared or laser?
Is it possible to fire 30mm against the flying object?
What is the flotation angle of the barrel, and does the automatic loading work with that flotation angle maintained?
You can simply shoot a missile. It doesn't end with a 30mm turret.
@@greghops9452 That's why Pollard needs to develop a new technology that fits Poland. If we minimize Israeli technology, we need to develop it accordingly.
That way, the armour will be viable in modern warfare.
한국산 무기에 대한 소개는 좋지만 상대방 국가가 개발한 시스템에 대해 함부로 우월감 가지려는 건 전혀 도움 안 됩니다.
비교할 것이 있으면 한화 영업 홍보부에서 적절히 알아서 하는 거지 이런 유투브에서 개인적이 우월감 가지려고 하지 마세요.
Do you have any proof for Germany actively reducing parts delivery to Poland? I never heard of that and it sounds like another PiS lie.
South Koreans are in a real war stand off with NK. This puts them in a position where all weapons being used need to be as effective as possible. Especially considering that most of the country’s geological layout doesn’t give them the most comfortable situations for the vehicles.
Ao all their modern original designs are very high spec compare to the price tag.
Thank you for your video and your information ! I wish you all the best
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The war in Ukraine showed that the German equipment is mostly suitable for demonstrations, but in combat it is not very useful as it constantly breaks down and it takes weeks to repair. The Poles have learned to replace the barrels for ahs krab at the rear of the front and maintain the equipment, and this is what counts in the real fight to make the equipment available, not that it fires a week, and then 3 weeks in repair. As for Korean equipment, it is much better than German, in addition, Korea produces more weapons and missiles than the entire European Union, has great production facilities and the equipment is much less time-consuming than German, which is overrated
No. Puma and Lynx are absurdly modern and resilient IFVs when it comes to passive armor) protection. The Puma can utilize ERA, NERA and boron carbide/Syndine composite matrix enclosed with carbon-carbon, carbon nanotubes or some inane titanium alloy. So you already have three types of protection (overlayed if needed) only for the Puma shell. It can take upfront the tank shell! While it is far lighter than the Namer. One that, can or can not perform similarly. Puma is also the quietest tracked IFV in the world. By OVERRATED, you probably mean EVERY modern or historical western tank cannon made by the company Rheinmetall. I mean EVERY. NATO or eastern/Chinese/North Korean licence-manufactured (from Rheinmetall), stolen, copied, or reverse-engineered from their cannons?
Poles already have their own modern IFV. But it is designed to be amphibious and thus light. Do you know what suspension utilizes KF-41 and which type the AS-21 has? Or maybe at least the system of the Puma? No? Sad. Maybe, if you would know, what is the size of AS-21 compared to Lynx, Puma or Borsuk... you wouldn't write such stupid claims. Koreans are also more flexible in terms of local licence production of the AS-21.
On the other hand, the Polish govs are a bunch of idiots that have a problem with every European nation, Germans included. Not only European. They have a problem with the entire world - just like Putin. They hate all apart from maybe the US. So yes, the talks with the Koreans were not pleasant at all. Right from the start. More so, the childish idiotic claims over technical issues were picked up out of ass - just to confuse and call all the businessmen "liars."
The Hanwha AS-21 is a solid choice. The Polish government is the problem.
BTW. The title says"Redback" - the freaking Australian spider redback? It is called AS-21. The Redback is the LAND 400 offered IFV.
Korea is a superpower not like the UE, just an america's puppet.
You seem to have little to no clou at all...
These modern vehicles are not being used in the Ukraine war, so no comparison can be made with issues on older equipment. If there are any at all I haven't heard of it.
@@HanSolo__ Do you have a problem with the Polish government? And what? Perhaps one that the Germans do not allow their nose or ears to be pulled like other countries? GB quickly understood what was happening in the EU and also did not let it go. Do you think the rest of the world likes or dislikes others depending on what the Germans like? "They hate all apart from maybe the US" - and who exactly? Talk honestly with ordinary people in Europe, but do not say that you are German, maybe they will tell you what they really think about Germans, so informally. You will be amazed and surprised. Except for Austria and the Netherlands.
Germany has reduced military spending and neglected the development of new weapons over the last few decades. They spend less than 1% of GDP into defense, and even most of that is labor costs.
Meanwhile, South Korea spends huge amount of money on defense which is almost 3% of GDP, and most of that goes to weapons development because labor costs are very low under the conscription system.
That's why korea can deliver weapons to poland much faster than germany and why korean weapons are much more cost-effective than germany's.
South korea has been maintaining huge defense industry, which is in the best interest of Poland. I recommend Poland to adopt korean made weapons. You will never regret.
"neglected the development of new weapons over the last few decades." - that's not true. It's private companies that are investing in development, not the state. Germany is still one of the leading military technology innovators, and the world's 5th largest military tech exporter, even while having legal export limitations. Without those limitations, they would export even more.
"They spend less than 1% of GDP into defense" - that's also not true.
It's not about how fast weapons are delivered to Poland. Poland wants to produce weapons locally, and because of the Polish PiS party's feud with Germany, they don't want to buy German equipment.
@@scratchy996 독일은 생산도 늦고 가격도 엄청 비싸고 군수지원도 별루 안좋다. 내가 eu 국가들의 독일에 대한 이미지를 알아봤는데 엄청 좋지 못함. 믿지 못할 파트너라고 동유럽뿐만 아니라 스페인도 마찬가지고.
@UCcIJmwWJrdOJX0dFvJ9VQEA You are completely out of your element here.
What part of world's 5th largest exporter don't you understand ?
German defense companies do not rely on the German government for funding. If they did that, they would have closed shop a long time ago.
Companies like Diehl, Rheinmetall, KMW, Hensoldt, H&K, MTU, etc are some of the leading companies in their field, they design, build, license and deliver components and systems that are used all over the world in many other defense and civilian industries.
You think the Americans have great fighter jets and helicopters and you'd be right, but the F-16, F-15, F-18, CH-53K, NASA X-59 engines have German parts, and so does Saab Gripen, the Korean KAI KF21 jet and many others.
Engines, gearboxes, sensors, radars, optics, armor packages , etc made or developed in Germany are ubiquitous in Western militaries.
So your points are invalid and badly researched, you just pull stuff out of your ass.
@@으하하-k8p niemcy produkują bardzo słabe rzeczy!!!
@@MrRockyOne You can translate the comment.
폴란드군이 강성해지기를 바랍니다. 폴란드의 평화와 영광을 기원합니다.
@@meongmeonge8543 뭐래~일뽕은 꺼지고 댓글에서 국뽕 될만한 내용은
없는데 국뽕 타령 하고있네.하여간
중뽕,일뽕 애들은 뭐만 하면 국뽕
드립ㅋㅋ정작 국뽕이 심한건 중국,
일본이면서ㅋㅋ
@@meongmeonge8543 국어 읽는 방법을 모르면 공부부터 하고 와서 깝치세요
@@meongmeonge8543 님 국뽕의 의미 모르세요? 창피는 개뿔 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 본인만 창피한거겠죠? 왜냐면 님은 한국인이 아닐것이니까 ㅇㅇ 님만 한국인이에요? 되게 자기중심적 사고관을 가진 인간이네
Love from Poland
@@meongmeonge8543 님이 창피해요. 글은 싸지르지마시고 나가서 산책이라도 하세요.
Very Good mate ! from South Korea !
Love Korea from Poland
thank you poland we go together!
🇵🇱🤝🇰🇷
Thanks Corea! Now Russia has a free hand in the supply of modern weapons systems to North Korea!
w tym modelu jest izraelska wieża. Warto zainteresować się:
1.problem rumuńskich piranii z izraelską wieżą
2. problem litewskich boxerów KTO z izraelską wieżą
3. afera z backdorami w izraelskich wieżach, które znajdowały się w BWP dla Australii -wieża zaczęła wysyłać informacje o pozycji pojazdu nie tylko do australijskich sił zbrojnych...Australia wykopała Izraelskie technologie z projektu
4. Izrael produkuje takie wieże dopiero od kilku lat
5. PPK wysuwa się z wewnątrz wieży - można sobie porównać to rozwiązanie z wieżami innych wozów, nie tylko polska ZSSW-30,
6. czeskie Pandury - chodzą słuchy że nie obyło się bez problemów z RCWS 30
7. już jakiś czas temu polskie testy w komorach klimatycznych na wieżach RCWS30 i UTD 30 - problemy z ich funkcjonowaniem w ujemnych temperaturach
powyższe informacje łatwo dostępne w internecie
Masz rację
Racja, dobrze wypunktowane wady izraelskiego rozwiazania. Jak juz brac to nasza wieze.
This thing is just massive!
폴란드 군이 러시아의 중보병사단의 종심을 돌파하는 용도로 레드백장갑차를 고려한다면 후회하지 않을 선택입니다~알겠지만 레드백은 전투중량이 40톤이 넘는 중장갑 장갑차이고 아이언비젼 같은 첨단기술 채용으로 장갑차 내부에서 외부 상황을 상세히 알 수 있죠 제한적이지만 러시아탱크와 교전해도 일방적으로 당하지 않고 탱크를 잡을 수 있다고 봅니다
폴란드국민들도 알겠지만 한국은 수십년동안 북한과의 전면전이 언제든 일어날 수 있다고 믿고 대규모의 육군을 유지하고 있습니다 k9, k55 자주포를 2500 대 이상 보유하고 있을 정도로 육군력에 진심인 나라죠~그러니 한국이 만든 탱크, 장갑차, 자주포 등의 지상무기들은 의심 없이 구매해도 됩니다 한국인들은 폴란드가 도입한 무기들에 문제가 생기면 신속히 해결해줄 의지와 능력이 있어요 한국도 레드백을 도입할 생각이라 후속군수지원도 전혀 문제가 없습니다 믿고 레드백을 도입해주세요~
유럽에서는 지난 30년 동안 전쟁이 일어날 수 있다고 아무도 믿지 않았기 때문에 군대가 거의 70% 감소했습니다. 폴란드가 소유한 많은 무기는 여전히 소련 시대를 기억합니다. 이 모든 무기는 이제 조국을 위해 용감하게 싸우는 우크라이나인들에게 넘겨졌습니다. 그러는 동안 폴란드는 군대를 현대화하고 푸틴의 더 이상의 침략을 저지하기 위해 군사 강국이 되려고 노력하고 있습니다. 폴란드가 약 400개의 Redback을 구매할 것이 거의 확실합니다. 폴란드에서는 무인 포탑이 장착된 Redback 구매도 검토 중이며, 이는 현재 NATO군 사이에서 표준이 되고 있습니다.
사실, 나는 우리가 당신의 제품을 선택할 것이라고 확신합니다. 한국의 솔루션이 세계 최고라고 믿어 의심치 않습니다. 현재 솔루션의 유일한 단점은 이스라엘 타워이지만 한국 기업의 파트너가 제안한대로 폴란드 타워를 설치할 수 있습니다. 폴란드의 포탑을 사용하는 것도 우리가 무인 포탑을 가지고 있기 때문에 한국에도 도움이 될 것이라고 생각합니다. 우리 쪽에서도 기술 이전에 문제가 없다고 생각합니다.
@@meongmeonge8543 어느 부분이 엉털이냐? 엉털이면 팩트로 지적을 하던가?!
@@meongmeonge8543 fuck off none of your business~~
한국 경험을 현명하게 사용해야 합니다. 나는 우리 나라들 사이의 협력이 발전할 것이라고 생각합니다. 분명히 우리는 독일에서 탱크를 사고 싶었지만 그들은 우리를 팔고 싶지 않았습니다.
At least, I think South Korean ground weapon is top-tier in many respects because we ready for massive ground war for 70 years after Korean war. South Korea still located in front line of democratic countries as West German do in coldwar.
This was not a test, but only a driving range. Testing involves subjecting a vehicle to various extreme tests in which the vehicle is subjected to various damage and wear. Unfortunately, the range ride itself revealed a huge number of design flaws and defects in both the Korean chassis and the Israeli turret. The ride came out so badly that Poland will almost certainly abandon the purchase of these vehicles. The AS-21 was subjected to a training ground ride along with the Polish BWP Borsuk in which it performed sensationally. The problem is that the AS-21 is a heavy IFV, while the Borsuk is a light IFV - a floating one. In response, the Korean side proposed joint development with the Polish AS-21PL. The fuselage would be improved by Polish engineers, while the Israeli turret would be replaced by the Polish unmanned ZSSW-30 turret or an improved version.
The Polish side has not yet officially responded to this proposal.
This is beautiful war machine
국방색으로 도색된 레드백은 처음봅니다. 덕분에 보네요. 고맙습니다. ^^
Czarna Wdowa jest piękna
쇼팽의 나라 폴란드.. 그의 모든 것을 사랑합니다
💪🇵🇱💓💓💓
These are the solution to refit their armed forces with a vehicle that supplements their Badger IFV and makes sure enough enter service in the short term.
It is only a showpiece. There is no common complementation need for any solutions, and 100% not out of things shown here. Badger, as you call it, is the complete vehicle. Like what would you like to take from AS-21 and put in the small light IFV which is production ready?
@@HanSolo__ learn how to read. The Badger is a light IFV and these are the heavy IFV to supplement the capabilities if you had a basic reading level you might actually learn more.
@@jacksonteller1337
You're right, this is equipment for one Polish division
Poland should be stronger than Germany. It keeps the peace. It will happen in the future.
NATO countries were not prepared for war when Russia invaded Ukraine. To know that NATO countries can lean on S Korea for weapons and ammunition is good thing for Europe.
든든하게 잘만들었네ㅎㅎ
It even sounds good too!
이 무기들이 폴란드를 지켜주길 기원합니다
붉은 독거미 레드백 전술 장갑차의 🇵🇱 폴란드 지형 및 전투체계 씨스템 테스트가 시작된 것에 대하여 폴란드 정부와 국민들께 깊은 감사를 드립니다.
여기는 독일 채널인데 ㅋㅋ
너가 왜 감사해.. 하여튼 한국인들의 북한스러운 민족주의 감각이 창피한 줄도 몰라. 어릴때부터 국가 민족이 곧 자신이라고 세뇌받고 자랐으니 이런 괴물같은 인간이 나오는거임
레드백 이태원으로 출동!
니가 뭔데 감사를 하노 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
🇵🇱🇰🇷
NIce Bro!!
Polish Power
polish power From Korea , Korea supplies tank, howitzer, k239, k4, k10 , and FA-50. KF-21 is masterpiece and Airbus wants to produce KF-21 in their factory.
Fajny złomiik, wiem że parę sztuk kupimy - oby z naszą wieżą bo jest nowocześniejsza i lepsza. Współpraca z Koreą może być bardzo korzystna dla obu krajów - tak być powinno.
Jak kupimy to raczej dla 6 batalionów czyli 348 sztuk plus coś do szkolenia.
Nasza ZSSW-30 jest świetna tylko musimy je szybko wyprodukować, bo są potrzebne jeszcze na Rosomaki i Borsuki.
Pozdrawiam
No okazało się że nie taki fajny - nie dość że działko ma celność porównywalną do muszkietu (10-20% celności w ruchu), to jeszcze kadłub nie ma systemu chłodzenia spalin, więc w termo świeci się jak psu jajca:)
@@olekzajac5948 pisałem w poprzednim komentarzu, dali dupy Koreańczycy teraz robią dziwne miny, ale ja bym im dął kolejną szansę PL-21 z ZSSW-30 i poprawione podwozie.
@@JanKowalski-he3gh No właśnie nie wiadomo czy trzeba - Borsuk w najnowszej wersji (28 ton i dalej pływa) jest odporny z przodu na najczęściej używaną rosyjską amunicję 30 mm, czyli 3UBR6 i 3UBR8 (więc trochę poniżej poziomu V), a z boków i tyłu na 12,7 mm (poziom III+).
Więc biorąc pod uwagę że ma jeszcze kilka ton zapasu (a demontując pędniki wodne i zakładając gumi-gąski takie jak na pierwszym prototypie można jeszcze ze 2 tony zaoszczędzić) to bez ingerencji w konstrukcję kadłuba można by zapewne wyciągnąć z przodu poziom V a dookoła poziom IV, co daje już bardzo sensowne opancerzenie, porównywalne zdaje się z najnowszymi BWP M2. W razie potrzeby bez zmiany przekładni ani przekonstruowania przedziału napędowego można też wymienić silnik na mocniejszy.
I z czymś takim spokojnie można by czekać aż HSW opracuje nową skorupę kadłuba w ramach "Borsuka heavy".
Bartek Kucharski dzisiaj o tym pisał na Twitterze (w ogóle od wczoraj jakoś dużo Borsuka na Twitterze), bardzo fajnie streścił wszystkie możliwości rozwojowe tej platformy.
@@olekzajac5948 Bartosz Kucharki to taki gość który czasem nie wiem czy pisze po polsku czy po rosyjsku, albo niemiecku.
To nie jest takie proste że obłoży się pancerzem, wymieni silnik i będzie git.
Damian Ratka właśnie zwracał uwagę na takich pseudo ekspertów , opracowanie ciężkiego Borsuka będzie trwało.
Już kiedyś pisaliśmy na ten temat ze sobą, mnie pomysł ciężkiego BWP dla 18 Dywizji się podoba, ale płakać po nim nie będę, dla naszej gospodarki najlepsza byłaby decyzja o budowie ciężkiego wariantu Borsuka, rozumiem że MON wolałby BWP na już.
Dziś frustrujące jest że mimo przedłużenia licencji na Rosomaka , nie ma zamówienie na 4 bataliony kołowych BWP dla 21 Brygady, w 16 Dywizji też jedna brygada miała być na KTO, ale teraz słyszę że 15 Brygada dostanie pierwsze Borsuki, a to była brygada przewidywana na KTO.
Także ciężki BWP to taki wydumany kłopot, są ważniejsze kwestie.
Well - now it's more clear.
After short test ride in Poland Hanwha made following offer.
Project name PL-21, based on version of Redback developed for US OMFV tender proposal but with Polish turret instead of US one (in Bradley's successor tender they use Oshkosh unmanned turret, with some slight differences from AS-21 made for Australian tender).
Turret integration to be done in Poland, Hanwha to deliver hulls and send engineers to support integration.
So, at the moment Elbit turret is not even a part of Hanwha's proposal to Poland. Which is understandable after issues it had in our climate...
Interesting that they want to use variant meant for US tender rather than one made for Australian tender.
Must be closer in terms of environmental conditions.
There are at least two reasons why they want to use the Oshkosh OMFV chassis rather than the AS21 one:
1. The AS21 chassis also didn't do particularly well during the testing - one of the main issues was lack of the exhaust cooling system and thus its unacceptable thermal signature, but from what I know there were more issues.
2. We want the ZSSW-30 turret which is unmanned. That creates a need for a commander's hatch in the chassis roof which the AS21 chassis neither doesn't have nor does it have enough room to install it. So the only logical option would be to use the Oshkosh OMFV chassis which uses an unmanned turret and thus has a commander's hatch.
But I'd still prefer if HSW built a heavy variant of the Borsuk instead of buying the heavy IFV abroad.
@@olekzajac5948 HSW will be making Borsuk for next 10 years going by potential order size.
And Borsuk had some particular design choices to make it be capable of swimming.
Korean heavy IFV could be worth it if they manage to sell back license for ZSSW-30 to Koreans or just make it for their designs. They seem to always use imported turrets, which hurts their margin. There's some possibility of getting win-win scenario here.
@@olekzajac5948 Doczekałeś się, będzie ciężki BWP z HSW. Szkoda, że tak późno. Gdyby decyzję podjęto kilka lat temu to dzisiaj projekt byłby w zaawansowanym stadium rozwoju, a tak to trzeba będzie sporo czekać.
I hope this will get ZSSW-30.
Nie dostanie
@@JacquesDeWolay Jakaś sprawdzona wiadomość? z tego co wiem Koreańczycy zaproponowali dwa warianty jednym z nich jest właśnie z naszą wieżą w takim razie
jeszcze raz zapytam skąd wiesz że nie dostanie masz jakieś źródło podaj link.
@@grimmjowespada2422 do usranej śmierci sobie możesz czekać i nie dostaniesz nic XD to są Ci "specjaliści". Nie i chuj
@@JacquesDeWolay dostanie mendo
Jak sobie obejrzysz ceremonie podpisania umowy na ZSSW-30 na nasze Rosomaki, to mozesz uslyszec ile HSW jest ich w stanie rocznie wyprodukowac. Do tego dojdzie Chéĉ zamowienia Borsuków przez nasz MON. Nawet jak Koreañczycy przejmom od nas licencje na produkcje ZSSW-30 u siebie, to I tak jest niemal pewne ze jakàš liczbe Redback-ów bédziemy musieli z obecnà wiezá zakupiĉ.
나라와 가족 자신을 지키기 위해선 군대가 강해야 됩니다 또한 자주국방은 필수 입니다
Poland is the most powerful country in Europe within 10 years.
It has modern armored capabilities.
Being from AU ; I've followed this AS21 Redback closely. May I make the observation and this suggestion about the equipment bustle rack above the rear troop dismount ramp: mostly for ergonomic reasons. keeping their heads down is fine but troops doing so bowed .with a combat load will not be good for their backs. Also the dismounting troops need to be able to see safe ground; to effectively clear the vehicle. I make an assumption that the fuel tanks are on the rear corners. My suggestion is that a better choice is two vertical multi-shelf equipment bustle racks; each rack behind each rear corner. Those racks may need to be on lockable hinges to swing out of the way for access or for directional shielding?
South Korea can also offer good seafoods such as Aegis Battleships and Submarines.
봐도 봐도 래드백 멋있어
According to some polish specialists .. Polish Army is interested in buying only base of AS-21 , trensfering technology of IFV without the turret . They want replace it with ZSU-30 unmanned polish turret to unify ROSOMAK , BORSUK , AS-21 . But time will tell . now is too early to say witch heavy IFV will be in Polish Army . Koreans show that they want to cooperate and even transfer technology and production . It is important for Poland . German Lynx will be produced in Hungary . I thing it is also very good IFV . Our neighbor Slovakia has chosen CV-90 MK IV as the best for them . But all the cards are on the table .
many people have a negative opinion about the purchase of military equipment from Korea, but most of the negative comments are from Germany, where they were very moved that they lost the chance for multi-billion dollar contracts, so they invented the shields of Europe and remember my words that in the end it will turn out that no y propose that every country buy the Iris-t system from Germany, that's what they want. And buy Poland in Korea, because the implementation time is the fastest and the most technology transfer is made available by Koreans
😂😂😂 what the hell are you talking about. I don't know a single German that talks bad about South Korea and South Korean weapons.
YOU make up a lot of lies about Germany and German weapons
True
Sieht gut aus.Hauptsache das Kaliber ist mit unserer Mun identisch.
Poland has its own great IFV Borsuk.
Marie Curie 나라 폴란드를 응원합니다.
Dziękuję za rudzielca !
Poland was invaded by neighboring countries.
South Korea was also invaded by China and Japan.
Poland and Korea must join forces.
👍좋아요~
perfect proportion
BIEN GROS SUPERBE POUR LES DRONES
Polen 💪💪💪
저는 한국인입니다. 폴란드에 수출되는 무기 가 양 국가의 기술협력을통해 새롭게. 그리고 강력한 무기로 재탄생되기바라며 한국도 폴란드에서 생산되는 무기를 도입하기바랍니다.
현재로서는 만족하지 앟읍니다. 캐파가 커지면 무기발전에 선순환이 되기때문입니다..
신동민
10일 전(수정됨)
또하나 추진해야할문제는 새로운 자유서방국밸트를 형성하는것입니다. (미.영.호주.뉴질랜드. 캐나다 )는물론이고 북유럽. 동유럽 . 을 기점으로 점차 중앙아시아로 확대 하여
경제 .안보. 군사협력에서 동맹수준으로 결속이 이루어져야합니다. 한반도 국경으로 군사적 개입이 있을경우 (또는 국제질서를 혼란을야기하는국가)
본토를 타격할수있는 탄도 미사일밸트를 형성하는것입니다. 그러기 위해서는 이번 폴란드 협력을통해 폴란드 현지 군비창 을 빠르게 건설하고 한반도 유사시 중공견재로 폴란드와 군비창협력은 필수입니다. 필요하면 폴란드에서 생산되는 무기로 군을 무장해야하기때문입니다.
일본은 협력하되 잠재적 적성국으로분리 하면됩니다. 프랑스와독일은 제외하는게 좋읍니다.
Nie ma kompromisu ....jest siła I masa 40t
Tylko, ze sie nie sprawdza na poligonie.... :(
That's one sexy spider.
멋지다
Die Kanone wirkt sehr filigran.
Dies ist das Standard Mk44 Bushmaster II 30 mm. Standard für die polnische Armee. Es wirkt filigran, weil der Turm überdimensioniert ist. Ich hoffe, dass ich diesen Turm nicht im Zustand der polnischen Armee sehen werde.
Why is the redback in Poland? I'm asking in Korea 😉
sigh comes out. This armored vehicle, which has not yet been introduced by the Korean military, is being used by Poland first..
As a Korean, I envy Poland.
이 장갑차 원래부터 수출용으로 제작된 것으로 알고 있습니다.
한번이라도 검색하고 썼으면 이런 뻘글은 나오지 않았을것.
It is Australian turret based on Israeli Elbit turret with Australian EOS fire control systems optics etc. Israeli armour Plasan, hull and rest South Korean like hull bar Canadian Soucy tracks and in arm hydro pneumatic suspension, American Alison transmission with German MTU Engine, American 30mm Bushmaster chain gun, American 7.62mg. All put together by Australia for Land 400 phase 3 which it won.
Australian ifv, hull is South Korean with Eos Aussie turret based on Elbit turret from Israel, plasan did armour from Israel, Australia put everything together for land 400 which it won. Used by Australia first not Poland, they tested after Australia and South Korea.
Well... to drop some less official information from this test...
AS-21 hull performed great, everything was within specs or better, no issues.
Suprisingly there were some issues with the turret. In cold climate and higher humidity of Polish atumn opinions were much less optimistic.
Based on that I think that if Poland goes with AS-21, the turret will be ditched for a domestic one.
As for exact problems - there is no official report available so... I can only assume it has to do with environmental factors. Somehow it's not suprising, Israeli made turrets seem to have higher failure rates in areas with high humidity and low temperatures in general. As if ... they were designed for areas that are hot and dry :) .
This is why S Korean ground force equipment have to work in all environments. Same piece of equipment has to work in hot/humid summer and also in winter time that can get cold as bad as Siberia.
And different terrain too.
In such a small piece of land.
Hanhwa already informed Poland they are ready to offer AS21 with either the Israeli turret or the unmanned turret from Poland.
@@dabda8510 Climate wise Korea is similar to Poland. So anything that works in Korea will work in Poland. Though AS-21 turret was meant for Australia, which has totally different climate, and is not in service in ROK army. I think that if it was meant for ROK it might've been rejected as well. Having said that - there are some reported problems with all turrets made by Israel's Elbit Systems purchased by countries in Eastern Europe. They make complex and advanced turrets but they have suprisingly high failure rate in cold conditions.
Poland previously tested Elbit's turret 2 times for some modernisation programs, and both times these turrets failed environmental chamber tests...
But Elbit has strong marketing, and some very advanced fancy "toys" that most other manufacuturers can't replicate.
i ten wydech jak w mojej ; buni; czuć moc
KOREA WEAPONS 👍👍
폴란드 존나 멋있네 ㅋㅋ
폴란드 친구들 우리만 믿어ㅎ
😆😆😆
네가 옳아.
성공적인 협력에 대한 희망이 큽니다.
국내용은 히터&에어컨도 있음. 폴란드 화이팅!!!
Australia did buy it
How come SouthKorea has everything NATO need?
MBT, IFV, MLRS, MISSILES, Etc..
Please check South korea's location in map. She has friendly neighbors like China, Japan, Russia and North Korea.
on the same continent fighting same enemy commies!
폴란드는 산이 거이 없구나. 좋은 나라구나. 평화가 수천년 더 지속되길!!
그참 희얀한 나라네 산이 없다는 게 말이 되나? 그참 밋밋하고 심심한 나라이구나!
산은 한국을 강하게 만들어줬지
젠장
산이 없으면 땅크가 숨어있을 곳이 없어서 헬기 한대에 전멸하는데, 땅크를 왜 마니 사가나? 그참 희얀한 나라의 희얀한 폴스키네!
@@고래고기-w3w 동무 한국은 땅크라고 안부른다...
@@user-gv5si4gj2d 동무는 와기래 지금 똥무가 쓰고입지비 아이요
Polski ❤ Korea
한국전쟁 전사자의 반복된 마지막 기록
"우리도 탱크 한 대만 있었으면...'
Repeated last record of Korean War casualties
"If only we had one tank..."
@@meongmeonge8543 어딜 국뽕임?
설명좀 해줘봐요...ㅡ_ㅡ;
@@meongmeonge8543 님처럼 똥된장 구분 못하고 싸지르는 것이 창피하고 민망한거임...
@@user-kx6dt2by5z 똥글이라면 어떤 부분에서 똥글인지 지적해보삼...ㅋㅋㅋ
아님 니머리속에 똥이겠지...ㅋㅋ
@@meongmeonge8543 무슨 국뽕이라고 하시는지 모르겠네요. 당신이 더 부끄럽습니다. 국뽕이 아니라 사실입니다. 한국전 이야기도
@@meongmeonge8543 아이디 답게 개소리를 짖어대시는군요.
It's not AS-21 yet!!! Until the Aussies adopt it for their standard, it's a variant of the K-21, so, it should be called as 'K-21-Redback' or just 'Redback', and if Korean Army take it as their standard first as the successor of the old K-21, then it will have to be called as K-21-Redback-AS or K-21-Redback-PL so on...
Roka wont adopt the redback, its too heavy for koreas terrain
They did take on a few, not for actual employment but to create operational data to assist exports
It's not a variant of K21. It's a completely different design that uses some parts from the K9 SPH chassis.
오호호홋~~
From what I hear the Australian army want this one,not the Lynx.
1:49 middle of the tank, i though it was new equipments
Hm naja, ist wohl eine Philosophiefrage. Wenn ich mir den AS-21 Redback ansehe soll das System wohl eher offensiv eingesetzt werden. Ich kenne mich zu wenig mit Polnischer Militär Doktrin aus um bewerten zu können wie sie die Systeme im Feld kombiniert einsetzten. Wäre interessant zu sehen wie der IFV später mit dem K9- Black Panther zusammen spielt.
K2 będą z polskimi bwp borsuk. as 21 tylko a abramsami -są za ciężkie na inne kierunki i nie plywaja.
Typo error. K2 black panther. K9 s.p. howitzer.
AS 21 as a heavy IFV are intended to cooperate together with Abrams tank. Lighter Polish Badger IFV which has swimming capabilities are intented to cooperate with K2 tank.
Malo tego, Polska i S.Korea beda wspolnie tworzyc czolg nowej generacji K3 PL ,
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I duzo wiecej , nie chcialo mi sie szukac.
Sie haben Recht, AS-21 es ist ein sehr offensives System. Nach den Plänen soll die 18. Eisendivision 6 Abrams-Bataillone (6 x 58-Panzer) haben und die AS-21 wird mit ihnen zusammenarbeiten. Die 18. Division wird auch die erste sein, die koreanische K-239-Trägerraketen und amerikanische AH-64E-Kampfhubschrauber erhält.
All of this is due to the loss of production capacity due to German disarmament. This contract may have been for Rheinmetall AG, if only the delivery deadlines of Leopard 2PL had been kept. Germany doesn't have to be too bad. Because the engine and transmission will be entered by the German system. Recently, Hyundai-Rotem signed a large-volume procurement contract with a German company for engines and transmissions.
잘못알고 있네...정확하게 알려줄께
k2(한국에서 폴란드로 직수출버젼) 180대 : 한국엔진 + 독일 변속기(확정)
k2pl(폴란드 현지 생산버젼) 880대 : 한국엔진 + 한국변속기(예정)
1500마력의 엔진은 이미 오래전부터 만들어져 있었다. 다만 9600km연속 주행이라는 너무 어려운 테스트에서 마지막에 변속기가 문제를 일으킨것 때문에 변속기 생산이 미루어져 있던건데, 사실 9600km연속 주행 시험은 전세계 그 어떤 엔진+변속기 조합도 해낸적이 없다. 심지어 독일 엔진도...
k2가 에이브람스나 Leopard 보다 10톤이상 가벼우면서도 이 두 탱크와 똑같은 1500마력 엔진을 탑재하는 이유는 한국 국토의 70%가 산이기 때문이다. 험한 산지 에서도 날렵한 기동력을 내기 위해.
어려운 테스트에서 실패한후 개량을 거듭했고 결국 얼마전에 변속기가 테스트를 통과했다. 한국의 밀리터리 전문 잡지에서 이걸 취재했고 현대로템 관계자는 이 변속기의 가격과 신뢰도 확인 작업이 이루어진다면 곧바로 적용가능하다고 함.
Im so glad Poland signed so many contracts with South Korea… Soon Poland will be able to produce their own military equipment, thanks to the transfer of technology. German firms were not willing to do that, plus the waiting period for any orders would be too long. So good to be eventually independent, and making decisions based on our needs. I hope Russia will stay away from Poland and Central Europe 4ever. 🎃
Germany has strict weapons export laws, that's what's limiting the production capacity, not Germany's disarmament.
The Saudis wanted to buy German equipment, but due to human rights abuses, the German government blocked the sale. So the US got in, and the Saudis got billions worth of US equipment.
Germany is still the 5th largest weapons exporter in the world, but they could be even better placed without the legal limitations.
It's also the reason why the SIG Sauer company moved their business out of Germany to the US.
@@scratchy996 우크라이나전쟁 이전에 독일전차의 운영가능한 전차수가 몇대지?? 운영 가능한 자주포도 없어서 우크라이나에게 늦게 지원했잖아. 독일의 군축으로 군사장비의 운영률이 최저인거 다 안다.
No.The contract is due to the fact that Germany is not a reliable ally. During the Polish-Russian war, if it were, we are free from German pressure as to spare parts ... Production in Poland matters here. No more contacts with military Germany, the future belongs to Asia there is now high technology is Asia ( Korea , Japan , )Europe have solar panels that's it.We still have to build a central airport in Central Europe .. Which port will give us a direct connection with Asia for cultural, scientific and technological exchange .. We are making a turn towards the economic heart of the world .. Being, of course , in the EU .. We have our own interests We want strong Poland in Central East Europe..
Hasil kerjasama dengan jerman yang bagus
According to a Chile chemical scientist, venom of redback or spider is a raw material of medicine which makes man's sexual power very strong, far better than Viagra.
폴란드인이여... 제품을 보지 말고 그 이면에 있는 조건을 보세요.
우리는 수익도 중요하지만 기술을 이전할 수 있는 자신감이 있어요.
그것이 폴란드인에게 도움이 될 것입니다. 10년 정도의 시간 뒤에...
어서 빨리 일어서세요..
기다릴게요... 그리고 함께 갑시다. 자유를 향해...
당신이 옳습니다. 독일과 미국은 전 세계가 아닙니다.///////Masz rację.Niemcy i USA to nie cały świat.Kasa,Kasa i ograniczenia w transferze technologii.Dlatego Polska korzysta z doświadczeń Korei
AS-21은 폴란드 Borsuk의 군사 구조를 보완하기 위한 것입니다.첫째, 한국형이 나쁘기 때문에 포탑을 ZZSw로 변경하는 것입니다./////AS-21 ma uzupełnić polskiego Borsuka w strukturze wojska.Po pierwsze zmienić wieże na ZZSw bo ta na koreańskim jest zła .Po pierwsze załogowa nasza bezzałogowa.Co zwiększa możliwość dopancerzenia.Wieża koreańska jest de faco wieżą izraelską
폴란드에서 우리는 한국을 매우 신뢰합니다. 이전에는 협력이 모범적이었고 우리 폴란드인이 협력할 다른 국가를 선택할 것이라고 상상할 수 없습니다. 앞으로도 다양한 제품을 함께 개발해 나가길 바랍니다.
@@meongmeonge8543 작작 좀 해라.. 온갖 댓글에 복사해서 넣고 있네.. 멍멍이라 자꾸 짖나본데 지나친 국뽕도 문제지만 지나친 패배주의같은 자존감도 큰 문제다. 적당히 좀 해..
@@jacekmalinowski4452보르숙? 만들다가 실패해서 프로토 타잎 차체를 K-9 것 가져다 만듬 완전 사기꾼 ㅋ . 포탑? 크랩 포탑도 영국에서 가져와서 영국제 컨트롤 썻는데 지네가 만들었다고 자존실 쩔어~
GOOD......👍
zaczynam się gubić w tych naszych sprzętach !!!😁
CZY BORSUK POJDZIE TEZ DO LAMUSA JAK KRAB ?
Mamy polską wieżę HSSW która z działkiem świetnie sprawdziła się w KTO Rosomak, ATK Mk 44. Wóz nazywa się BORSUK
호주군과 폴란드군 만이 아니라 한국군에게도 레드 백의 도입이 필요합니다. 논의 중이라고 하네요. 어쩌면 미군도 채택할지도 모릅니다.
호주군과 폴란드군 만이 아니라 한국군에게도 레드 백의 도입이 필요합니다. 논의 중이라고 하네요. 어쩌면 장자 미군도 채택할지도 모릅니다.
개쩐다
Futuristic arms
코리아👍👍👍
Nice weapon
Śliczny, nieśmiertelny kamuflaż w polskie ch**e bojowe
Z BorSuki wzięty - żywcem!
Lol. Rzeczywiscie!
The only thing I do not like is the driver's hatch. It should be completely sealed, and he should have a camera with a screen instead. This hatch may be a weak spot. I like the idea that Poles will likely use their own ZSSW-30 turret for this one... Excellent cooperation with Koreans :)
"and he should have a camera with a screen instead. " It has them, but the fucntion module (called 'Iron vision') is an option.
@@Кролик-ф1р This dude has no idea what is the Mk 1 Optics System. Leave him. I'm sure he knows how looks the fire hazard drill for the captured driver.
I mean, not like it is scary as fcuk, right?
The driver's hatch is fully sealed and is now equipped with Israel's Iron Vision. For the Korean version of AS-21 in Korea, the development of technology to replace Iron Vision is almost complete and will begin the test evaluation.
Search Iron Vision.
@@HanSolo__ dude dont be rude . from the other side Im lucky I have you and your broad knowledge... thank you master tank you thank you... it was a sarcasm if you didn't get it... ffs what a guy...
CV90 forever
200대 수출해가세요...폴란드여
Very good. The turret must be exchanged.
A niby dlaczego? Polska ZSSW-30 nie ma wbudowanego hard killa.
@@koen6812 1. problem rumuńskich piranii z izraelską wieżą
2. problem litewskich boxerów KTO z izraelską wieżą
3. afera z backdorami w izraelskich wieżach, które znajdowały się w BWP dla Australii -wieża zaczęła wysyłać informacje o pozycji pojazdu nie tylko do australijskich sił zbrojnych...Australia wykopała Izraelskie technologie z projektu
4. Izrael produkuje takie wieże dopiero od kilku lat
5. PPK wysuwa się z wewnątrz wieży - można sobie porównać to rozwiązanie z wieżami innych wozów, nie tylko polska ZSSW-30,
6. czeskie Pandury - chodzą słuchy że nie obyło się bez problemów z RCWS 30
7. już jakiś czas temu polskie testy w komorach klimatycznych na wieżach RCWS30 i UTD 30 - problemy z ich funkcjonowaniem w ujemnych temperaturach
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@@koen6812 bo jest duża i ma rakiety ppanc w środku a nie na zewnątrz.
@@koen6812 ZSSW30 IS BEST IN THE WORLD
@@koen6812 Ale będzie mieć.
레드백~ 자랑스럽네요~.
저는 개인적으로 폴란드 아웃도어 브랜드인 큐물러스(Cumulus)를 매우 좋아합니다. ㅋ
Is that a standard polish armor camo?
Apparently, haha.
It's a tank without the cannon look can't or is it interchangeable ,,,,a 50mm cannon you should look into them ,,,,
한국에도 저정도 테스트 훈련장 확보했군요--ㅋㅋㅋ
폴란드 파트너가 있어서---
앞으로 신무기 수송기 운송해서 많이 해보자--
?? 지금 폴란드 현지에서 시범 운용 중 입니다.
저기는 폴란드 테스트장입니다
Poland has its own IFV, Borsuk!
Tylko, że są różne
These are completely different vehicles for different tasks. BORSUK is an amphibious vehicle and the Redback is a heavy IFV.
IFV and HIVF belong to different classes in modern warfare.
Germany fails to run puma. There are so many problems on puma ifv. Borsuk?
Krab is made of k9 chasis and uk turret.
No more krabs , Hyundai Rotem will supply 48 chasises and no more. Full booked.
Even UK will buy k9a2 howitzer from Korea.
Borsuk? Well ... For the safety of soldiers, skip Borsuk.
@@Trinity3-75
Well, well, well where did you get all these info, ...genius?
K-2, K-9, As-21 waiting for Ukraina front debut
레드백 ! 🤩👍🇰🇷🇵🇱🇰🇷🇵🇱🇰🇷🇵🇱🇺🇸
CO Z BORSUKIEM ????
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