THE JUNGLE CARBINE - Thumper No5
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2019
- The Lee Enfield No5Mk1 Jungle Carbine is presented in this video by Royal Signals Sergeant Riflechair. This mock lesson plan is presented to a Section of the Gloucester Regiment at Fort Hood - Bombay India during WW2. Soon the Regiment will be dispatched to Northern Burma for intense Jungle Fighting.
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Glad to see you back,
all your content and knowledge inspired me to buy my first Enfield, a Long Branch to be specific, looking forward to getting out there soon as my ammo arrives.
Thank you for your content and vids, they are appreciated especially these days.
Gota love the JC, even for looks alone. Love the flash hider ... its so cool.
Good job Sgt. Riflechair!
I like to think of mine as a Paratrooper Model, since I live in the desert, and am a former paratrooper. Love mine! ROF August 1946.
You are correct. It is a paratrooper gun not intended for Jungle use that just happened. FYI the butt plate helps prevent damage on landing not for comfort and the flash hider is there to protect the shooters vision not hide from enemy. You might know that but many do not. Urban legends rule but the truth is out there if you look for it!
@@danielleclare2938 Except it was developed for Jungle use, one of the reasons the Army started looking at a shorter Lee Enfield was due to a report stating the No 4 mk I was too long for jungle use and a shorter weapon would be preferable. This report came out in 1943 after the retreat from Burma and development of shorter versions of the Lee Enfield system was started pretty much immediately. Ironically the rifle was never used in the Theatre it had originally been designed for, Burma, at least not during the war.
This idea the No 5 was developed for Para's and not for the Jungle is a myth I am afraid, it very much *was* designed for the jungle, though it was also considered as a replacement for the No IV Mk I as the General Service Rifle due to it being handier, lighter, yet still retaining most of its accuracy at battle ranges.
@@alganhar1 No.
I love the style of this video, well done!
I had a No.5. It was a wonderful hunting rifle. As I had no use for a bayonet, that might be why I didn't have wandering zero problems with mine. Frankly, I was surprised at how accurately I could shoot it. I shot it as well as I shot a National Match prepped M-1, and I shot that particular rifle very well. I wish I still had it.
Excellent instructions, learned a lot.
Great info! Fun presentation! 🍁👍
Absoluty love your vids! Well done!
Great video! Good information!👍🏾😀❤️🇺🇸 maple leaf up!
Thanks for the very informative and cool done lesson with this special "think i should own" rifle.
He is back, yay!!!! :)
Loved it!
Thank you! I just purchased a original all matching No5 Mk1 at a local shop in the USA for a stupid cheap price. Thanks for the educational video.
hi mr 303 sgt great video liked your mock lesson I felt I was back being briefed from my military days I served with the raf regt and our crest is cross 303 rifles I think that is why I love these rifles so much plus I learnt a lot from your class the no 5 got a raw deal thank you
As an old marine my experience was with the Garand, M14, and M16. I am wowed at the bolt action of these rifles. I can see how the soldiers achieved the mad minute. I am very impressed.
Enfields do have very slick bolts. That said, by the time ww2 rolled around, they were outdated. Having shot and/or owned the Enfield, m17 Enfield, Kar 98, SVT 40 and Garand, I would take the Garand all day long.
@@SluggerStark I agree, I was just impressed with the bolt action vs the k98, 03 Springfield and the Mosin, hands down the Garand #1 rifle Ww2 , I think the Enfield was the pinnacle of the old technology
Tom Burgess I have agree the Garand was ahead of its time , well it was new technology that actually worked, I’m a Enfield owner myself but have a Springfield 1903 custom , 1934 action and Mauser 98 custom but that’s in 264 win mag , look at my avatar and my Springfield on the left
In no way was the Enfield outdated in WW2 it was a WW2 rifle and a rifle of its time. By the end of the war yes they were in a stage where it was time to move to semi auto.
@@seanwhyte4662 yes it was more than a match for the Carcano, Arisaka, Mosin and the Mauser
Sir, thank you for addressing the oiling of the stocks. Informative 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Great info on the #5
This may sound hyperbolic, but I think of the No.5Mk1 as the perfect rifle.
Perfect rifle, you say? Yes - here's why: it's compact and well-balanced, and easy to carry in the field. It has a 10 round magazine, which is more than adequate when afield in bear country. The bolt action is, I believe, the finest, smoothest, and fastest of all the bolt action rifles made, which is vitally important when facing a large predator requiring rapid follow-up shots to incapacitate.
It is reliable, as proven in war, which means dirty conditions that would gum up a commercial rifle are laughed off. The recoil, thanks to the 7 lb. weight, is nicely subdued, yet that weight, thanks to the compact size of the carbine, is nicely centered, and therefore unobtrusive - making the rifle feel lighter than it is. The sling mounts to the side of the buttstock, which keeps the stock close to the torso and eliminates bounce as you walk.
It fires the .303 British - a fine cartridge, more powerful than many highly respected hunting rounds but without the punishing recoil of a .30-06, for example - and thanks to being a bolt action, the cartridge can be hand loaded to fire ammunition ranging from varmint loads to big game loads without the problem that semi-automatics experience in cycling non-standard (and particularly hot) loads. The .303 is a powerful enough round to reach out with killing power at a distance far greater than that at which the average hunter can successfully perform, essentially equaling the .308 (and with greater case capacity) and significantly outperforming the .30-30, which has probably taken more North American game than any other caliber.
The flash hider is a (minor) plus. A lightweight slip-on recoil pad further improves shooting comfort without adding bulk to the gun, and new replacement (i.e. soft) recoil pads are available to replace 75 year old rock-hard rubber. You can mount a scope to the side of the receiver and lace on a padded leather comb (as I have) to obviate the problem altogether of manual sight mismatch with a given handload. Consequently, it perfectly fills the requirements for a Jeff Cooper-style scout rifle. It is built for rough handling and adverse weather, with a metal finish that is unfazed by moisture. It's not clear to me what more you could ask of a long arm to take afield.
Alright where in the hell did you get that slouch? I love it dude!
He is back!!!
Another Riflechair classic!
Unrelated to the No5 Rifle, but the Corps of Signals hat badge on a slouch hat should have the bottom just above the brim, and superimposed over the puggaree, not above it. Current-serving RASIGS here.
GREAT video ! btw ...I have an old SMLE MK3 any suggestions for parts ( looking for original front and rear sights ... thanks great to have you back sir
Badass video! I was contemplating buying an original Jungle Carbine after watching this video I put it on layaway. It looks pretty nice had some orange paint specks on it put I think it’ll clean up nicely.
Is it possible the orange specks of paint might have been from a 'rack number'? Some rifles had a number and that number was assigned to a soldier. Check to make sure there are no DP stamps on the rifle. If you see DP stamped on the rifle that means it was relegated to DRILL PURPOSE. The rifle had issues that could not be corrected and was taken out of line active range service. Get back if you see any DP stamps. Some DP rifles were painted to make them stand out.
Riflechair interesting I looked it over pretty thoroughly I didn’t see any DP markings on it. The rifle looked to be in great shape hopefully it’s not a Drill purpose rifle.
Wow, what a beautiful example.
Have/had a lot of bolt action military rifles over the years. Enfields have always been my favorite and the No.5 is my favorite of those. Also up there is the Spanish FR8.
Riflechair I do envy you living up there in BC. My God that's beautiful country. I once owned a number 4 SMLE and it was a good shooter. Misasagua arsenal gun. I enjoy your videos very much and they are informative. all the best to you. Stay safe. Cheers.
Great class Sargent. I have the Indian mod version of the 2A.
Great video learning all the time even at 51 , I know some FN SLRs were produced in 280 British for testing and the British and Canadians were very impressed with it, and it was going to be the caliber of choice until the America general stuck his noise in, so I’ve read anyway , I just picked up a lee speed in 410 shotgun
YOU TOTALLY NAILED IT. I'd sure like to see a picture of that speed in 410. In your opinion does it look like a factory original or a later custom build? Does it have scrolled metal and synced screws?
Riflechair it’s been sent to the gun smith too be altered to a two shot non detachable magazine, because of the stupid laws in the uk , it will then be put on my shotgun license which is easier, rather than my FirearmsLicense , otherwise which is be real pain in the butt , it’s absolutely bullocks it’s not worth getting into , when it comes back I’ll get a photo of it , don’t know about synced screws and scrolled metal , my friend is a firearmarms dealer and collector his place is like a history museum unbelievable he worked as a young man with the Birmingham gun makers, all I know is he said I have nice 410 you probably like, I picked it up and said yes ok 200 quid done ✅, judging by the wood seems to be high grade , factory original or custom , ill probably say custom then I could be wrong atvb steve
Total agreement I love my similar concept VZ33 and G33/40
awesome outfits Sir cheers times three
Great video as always mate. With regard to the reason they dropped the No5 mk1 and proposed mk2, I reckon it was because of the proposed British service rifle, the EM2 (rifle No9 Mk1). The EM2 was bullpup, fired an intermediate cartridge and select fire. As such, with its shorter overall length, it would fulfill the same role as the longer rifle and the carbine. Britain would have adopted the No9 mk1 if not for NATO, they picked the FN FAL which was originally going to be chambered in the British intermediate cartridge, however, the yanks were being wankers and wanted their own .308 cartridge adopted. The agreement was, European NATO countries picked the rifle (the FN) and then the yanks would pick the round, but then they went and made the M14 instead. When Britain adopted the L1A1 SLR (FN FAL), one of the gripes with it was the length and weight, hence why the No5 Mk1 was still used in Malaya when the SLR was in service alongside it. Britain eventually got a bullpup, shorter rifle (same or greater barrel length but shorter or same overall lenght) but the original SA80 (L85A1) was rushed due to politics and turned out to be bloody awful. As such, H&K fixed it for us and it turned out really well as far as I'm aware. There's now been a third development of it which I don't know much about besides that it has desert camo and a different forend.
A point to note, while the No 5 was designed with the lessons learned from Burma, and with Jungle Operations very much in mind (despite some claiming it was designed for the Para's, it was not), it never actually saw service in Burma during the war. Not a single No 5 was used in that theatre during the war.
Its a similar story with the Churchill Tank, 1 and only 1 was used in the entire theatre, a Mk V (probably) being tested by the Indian 3rd Dragoon Guards in 1945, the vehicle never saw combat. While the Indian 254th Armoured Brigade was pulled back to India during 1945 to be reissued with Churchills, that was not completed until after the war ended, thus those vehicles never saw service in Burma.
i appreciate your undeniable Canadian mannerisms and accent. great
What CDN mannerisms? I can never see them.
As an Aussie, I love my 303's, I have a replica no5 in 303-25, great bush rifle. The .257 projectile does really well on wallaby and small deer. Keep up the good work. Its just so much better handling than my full wood Longbranch No4.
Hi Shane. I run a ruger no1 RSI in 257 Roberts and I love it. Id love to configure an enfield in a 6mm to 6.5mm 303 wildcat.
How do you not have more subscribers? Since i have found your channel, i have binge watched all you videos!
My channel is restricted and shadow banned by those who lord over RUclips.
@@Riflechair Another good channel sacrificed to an algorithm, the new age of tyranny. I for one, hope you stick with it and continue to make videos. You have another loyal fan!.
Hi RC, what are your favorite accuracy handloads for the No4 (5-groove) and the No5? Thank you!
I can’t give you specific loads for liability reasons but I recommend a 150gr .311” hornady SP AND BL-C2 or the 180gr .311” CAM-PRO bullet with IMR-4350.
150gr for the No5 and 180gr for the No4
@@Riflechair Cool, thanks a bunch!
On the other note - just finished my 9mm LE sporter conversion project and still making a full video on it. Here is just a raw and unlisted piece of shooting it:
ruclips.net/video/BNbxY8s1LEg/видео.html
Looking for a rear sight for my JC. Anyone have one available?
The Golden State Sante Fe produced a Jungle Carbine that was very popular with hunters. The original Jungle Carbine has gone up in value. It was common to find these rifles about 25 years ago at gun shops for $200.00 USD. Most are asking $400.00 and up now. Finding a 5 round magazine for the Lee Enfield rifle is very difficult. Most states require a 5 round magazine limit for hunting. I am always looking for a 5 round magazine.
Nicely done sarge my only question is where can I get one to buy
Very inspired way of exuding knowledge unto the unwashed masses. Never had a drill instructor that soft spoken though. Still great vid.
I wasn't role playing a drill instructor. Glad you enjoyed the video. I'm just trying to have a little fun and tell the story as I understand it. Cheers!
What is scope type in 23:05?
Dont forget the EM2 trials in Malaya...
A lot of these carbines were unissued and were made in 46 & 47. You can easily tell post war models as they will have the steel forearm insert.
It would be interesting to know just when they started doing that! My January 1946 ROF(F) doesn't have the forearm insert, whereas RC's September 1946 ROF(F) does.
@@Iliac2112 That's interesting. I read that the steel insert was done after the war. Every 46 model on had the insert.
Why is the rear sling swivel on the right side on the carbine? It does not seem to carry or sling-up for shooting any better, in my experience.
Commonwealth countries were always repairing enfield buttstocks from damage while assuming the position of attention (order arms) on the parade square. The No5 essentially fixed this issue. The rear sling mount never made a lot of sense to me but the rifle can be very comfortable when slung muzzle down. The bolt has a tendency to get you right in the ribs though. Why they put the sling on the same side as the bolt I'll never know.
@@Riflechair I was late to the game actually buying my No5. The feel/heft of my No4 felt so much more comforting. So when I did buy, I went thru a bit of regret, what with the too short buttstock (for my liking) and that strangely located rear sling slot. Hence, I ordered a replacement No4 butt and have been glad I did. As with my No4, I store a spare bore cleaning pull thru and a broken shell extractor in the trap.
@@steveh4962 Hah! I did exactly the same thing with my No5.
The term Jungle carbine is slang if teaching you do not use slang the weapon is a Lee Enfield No 5 Mk 1 that is how it should be refereed too during the lesson
You guys are tough customers lol
You're right
I have 2 Lee Enfields an SMLE Mk3 & a No.4 Mk1. I was able to purchase them from Liberty Tree.
As a veteran I can tell you that having a shorter weapon in a jungle fighting environment is preferable and far outweighs any perceived loss of accuracy caused by a "wandering zero". Most of the fighting is carried out within ranges of 100 metres max so accuracy is less of an issue. Problems only arose later on when British forces were fighting at longer ranges in a lot of post war actions such as Cyprus, Palestine and Aden.
Same sort of thing happened in Afghan as well, ranges were unusually long, so they had to start adding a Designated Marksman with a 7.62 to each Infantry Section to add extra capability at ranges beyond 4 - 500 metres
My Jungle Carbine has the green jungle paint on the receiver and magazine.
The green paint might not be specifically "jungle" related, as green paint was also prescribed for refinishing metal parts as a substitute standard for black if the latter was unavailable.
I really like this lecture, being an owner of a No5 MkI. I wonder, though, why it took 7 years for the Brits to finally adopt the FAL after discontinuing the Jungle Carbine. So it seems to me that the FAL was not directly responsible for the No5's discontinuation.
You need to look at the EM2 to see why it took 7 years before we adopted the FAL (SLR). The EM2 won the trials for the new NATO calibre but the USA ignored the trials so they could continue with 30cal.
Politics, after the war the British were developing a new rifle (the EM 2) and a new intermediate cartridge the .280. Initially the FN-FAL was actually developed around the .280 cartridge as the Belgians liked it so much.
Unfortunately the US stepped in and demanded a unified cartridge for NATO, and then forced 7.62 NATO down everyone elses throats, despite the fact most of NATO actually wanted an intermediate cartridge rather than the full power 7.62 which was essentially the US 30-06.
This killed off the EM2 completely as unfortunately the weapon could not be successfully rechambered for a larger round. As a result, though being accepted for service the EM2 was never delivered to troops, despite the fact it was an excellent weapon well ahead of its time.
Unlike the EM-2 the FN-FAL could be redesigned for 7.62 NATO, however the resulting weapon obviously ended up being considerably longer and heavier than the initial design based on the .280.
So that is why the UK took so long to get a self loading rifle, they had one ready to enter service, but then the US had a hissy fit and threw its toys out of the pram.
what about lithgow aussie built
Lithgow is by far the best std No1MkIII* ever made
My dad 28th British Columbia rgt ww2 loved his . 303
It was a paratrooper carbine shortened for convenience in an aircraft not intended for Jungle... they were shipped to Burma because they were available not for Jungle use that is urban legend that came from the Burma campaigns. Also the rubber butt plate is lighter but the reason for it was to protect the stock from damage on landing it dangled below the paratrooper and hit the ground first... also the rubber would prevent the gun from bouncing up and impaling the soldier as he came down after the gun... nothing to do with Jungle warfare at all but worked well there. I have an as new one they are more fun to shoot offhand than the No 4...
It wasn't a paratrooper carbine it was designed as a carbine version of the no4. Was used in Malaysia after ww2 were it was referred to as the jungle carbine. It was found handier then the no 4 in jungle fighting. Before the no1 was adopted in service we had already had a 6 shot cavalry carbine that was of similar size. It's a good case of the military going around in circles to get back to where they started years ago. Like many of the debates over different cartridge sizes.
@@matthewcharles5867 The buttplate is designed for dropping on the ground and not breaking the stock also the weight reduction tooling aided in transport of said paratroopers. A carbine version of the number 4 would be a shorter barrel but no other changes so you are not exactly correct but thanks for the reply.
@@danielleclare2938 the reason why the cavalry carbine which came out in the 1890s had a 6 round magazine was to fit in the leather scabbard they were using at the time they also had a different bolt to stop it getting caught on the scabbard. By ww1 they had changed the scabbard to one the would fit a smle with a standard 10 round magazine.
No5 wasn't a paratrooper rifle got issued to all sorts of different regiment's including our Australian cavalry commando regiment's after ww2. We used them thru Malaya confrontation and Korea I think we had the slr by the time Indonesian was happening.
Was basically designed as a short carbine for any forces that required them.
@@matthewcharles5867 No.
@@danielleclare2938 yes the study the British army army did in 1943 was to see what new equipment the could make for fighting in the jungle theatre in the pacific. That is where the carbine originated.
Bsa and fazakerly produced them to fulfil previous no4 contracts.
Lithgow armoury in Australia couldn't do it at the time as we were only producing now rifles.
LARP'ing for the elderly.
Live Action Role Playing? ha ha ha ha ha ha you're probably right. Hey old people need to have fun too.
My favorite rifle. If I had to grab just one from the safe, the #5 would be it. Even now with all the Covid nonsense .303 ammo is still readily available. try that with 5.56..
We heve a lot of reproduction Western Firearms there should also have reproduction WW2 Firearms as well.
I have a 1916 BSA no 1, 1945 BSA no 5 and 1950 Longbranch Bo 4. Picking a favourite is liking asking which of your kids you love the most. 👍🏻🇦🇺
never had one that would eject like that one , most were hard to clear the opening ..ya I bet that super long F.N. was a hoot in the jungle ...
the marking on mine is N05 Mk1 ROF (F) 9/46 X6605 - same factory same month.....
Wandering zero is a lot of b.s. I've owned four of these for over twenty five years no problems except with crappy Syrian and Egyptian ammo,use quality ammo and you shouldn't have trouble out of the rifles.
The LE actions were great. The mk V was a horrible rifle though , incredibly loud with a fairly sharp recoil. 18 inch barrels are shit for hunting. The wandering zero was a myth , but the M5 carbine was shit anyway.
I wouldn't call it shit but do agree that the people who designed it must have been smoking a prohibited substance.
I doubt anyone from back then would understand what "running" anything would mean. Silly slang today has no application in the past.
Dimensions are EXACT not around......... NON of these rifles were used in WWII
These things have a major flaw RC, the barrels are too short. All centrefire rifles are loud ... but no.5s are obnoxiously loud, uncomfortably loud -- just like the Ruger scout, like the M44, and the 18" M14...even with ear plugs they're uncomfortable to shoot, they give me a headache and nobody at the range wants to be near you. You ever see videos of Col. Cooper in his old age? His hearing was all gone, probably from shooting those home-made short-barrel scout rifles in 308 all his life. The no.4 is robust and an all around great rifle, the no.5 is garbage that belongs in a museum.
Drueling as I watch.
Your kids must be so ashamed of you
Packhorse Triumph Did someone pee in your Cornflakes this morning?
What is up with this guy? is he pretending to talk to a live audience or something😮💨🙄😒
😂😂another failed artist
The worst rifle ever made
Not true but sorry your experience was bad.
Kinda full of yourself there dude.
How is that?