As an old Marine, I can tell you for a fact that a 22 in the hands of someone who knows how to shoot will ruin someone's day. All of this talk about the big bores sounds great, but as others have already stated, ammo is key. Shoot someone through the throat, eyeball or groin with a 22 and just see how effective it is. Hell, a 22 pellet rifle will ruin someone's day doing that. If you add a suppressor to the mix, you have also increased the effectiveness as well. From there, learn how to use a traditional bow. Up close and personal changes exponentially. No one likes to hear the screams of the wounded in battle, whether it be trained military or untrained thugs. Of course great concealment is key, or well thought about run and gun, remembering they will be shooting back.
Robert31352 I want to buy a pellet caster and swage tool so I could reuse lead. A break barrel pellet .22 would also never need a compressor as many modern ones do. I like your post! Nice one!
Long barreled .22 bolt action. Thousands of rounds of CCI Quiets and other varieties. Out of a 28" CZ .22 the Quiets are quieter than a lot of pellet rifles.
My favorite “one gun” is my 77/357 Ruger bolt action 357 magnum. I cast bullets and can shoot mild 38special loads. Costs about 3 cents apiece. Full power loadings in 357 with 125 grain jacketed hollow points have the same power as a 7.62x39. I’ve taken deer and squirrels with it. Reloading the cases is easiest of all cartridges. Straight walled and no shoulder of a bottle neck cartridge makes for long case life. I have never split or ruined a case after dozens of reloadings. Tons of reloading data and a slew of cast bullets to choose from. Best all-around 400 yard and under shtf gun their is. Did I mention that they make pistols for it also...
Just re-watched this, my current rifle is a Ruger American Ranch rifle (bolt rifle) in 5.56. It takes AR magazines which I can get from 5 rounds and up. I currently using a red dot on it with the ability to switch it out to a 1.75 X 4 scope. No striper clips or fix sights but very light and ammo is around. Still have the Enfield and ammo on hand just in case. Great video even the second time I watched it.
Does scope or optic sight get off the target when these get banged or treated roughly? Do you think placing optic sight on sks is smart idea for preppers?
American sub. and I love watching Canadian Firearms content. Firearms culture is deeply connected in our two countries and is effected @ Times by either side of the parallel in politics, the industry and public perception/media optics. Keep up the great work gentlemen.
Great Video guys! Would a shotgun count in this? Big rifle rounds are great for hunting but for survival I don't think big game is the answer. With a 12 gage I can have a variety of loads for different game. Rabbits and birds here are plentiful and they can be ate in one sitting. For defence it works well in what I would call defensive range. With Lee 7/8oz slugs 150 meters is realistic for a torso sized target. Reloads and ammunition availability are also not a problem.
I have to agree. I started using the Lee Handloader at 18. I shot the same brass 6 to 10 times, before the ring separated 1/2 inch up from the rim. After that, I loaded lighter and brass just needed trimming, and was easier on the shoulder. I have a 94 thats light, with Sierra 175 MatchKings. Single shot they group well. Loading the tube, 150 flat nose, Sierras, a little lighter to span the same arch. For my 1914 Enfield, 180 Lead and Tin. Loaded to hit at 100. Same arch. I also loaded 32 Cal Pistol bullets. 312 at 85gr. They print nice and really destroy the pop bottles. They Idea is the have the velocity matched to a common arch. After 35 years of loading, I finally bought a crony. Wish I had it all these years now. Would have saved me a lot of math and shooting at distance ranging the rifle on targets and proving it to myself. Cheers!
I've given this exact subject much thought over the years and for me it has come to thinking that a .22 LR, probably a lever action would be my choice, 2nd would be a Ruger 10/22, only because it relies on a magazine, if the magazine is lost it becomes a single shot. Just MHO.
Any 22 LR rifle will do for wilderness survival. I am more into revolvers so my Ruger Bearcat will suffice at the moment but I plan to get the new Wrangler with the longer 7 1/2" barrel.
Definitely a conversation more people need to have. The wife and I teach our kids how to cook and bake , how to can food themselves and how to hunt meat. Best to have a skill and not need it than to need it and not have it, as you gents had mentioned.
If I could have only one, it would be my Marlin 1894 in 357 Mag with a William's FP peep. It handles both 38 & 357's, easy to reload & will take down just about anything with proper shot placement.
That's a tough question. I'd have to go with my Ruger Scout in .308 for long term reliability. It's got a 2.5X long relief on the front and Iron sights also properly zero'd in at MPBR. Detachable mags work for me as I am used to them from many years in the service. Great discussion guys I really enjoyed listening to it!
I dabbled with a necked down .308 case to take a 7mm bullet. I was impressed by the range of the bullet with decent lack of drastic drop, compared to the 30 caliber. The right bullet in the right area will take down an elk at 200 yds. It is a superior antelope round with 140 grain bullet. A 145 grain will drop any deer. I gave the 7mm-08 to my wife, who is now my ex. I bought 7mm Rem Mag and hunted all big game. With hand loads, I could get the equivalent of a nice .280. I could load them up for longer range and elk. My grandson got talked into a .270 Win. We are working with hand loads when we can get components. Another shortage this time of year for primers and powder. We found some back in May, luckily. Bob
Just about any 22lr bolt action rife could serve dinner and provide some level of security. My personal choice would be CZ 452 ultra lux w/or wo/scope. Include a semi auto pistol (or revolver) in same 22lr configuration for additional firepower.
I love the idea of carrying a proper mountaineers rifle as 1 stop solution. For hunting sure... I'd like to think a 10/22 is the best option for all considerations. Ammo availability, weight, ammo carry-ability, fire power.
Hate to say this, I love My 30 06 but for all out survival and defense I would probably want My AR 15 with a .22LR Conversion in My pack for small game. I could use this Rifle for fighting and for small to medium game. With a 30 Round Mag of .556 its a formidable weapon.
I agree. I definitely wouldn't want an old bolt action rifle in a combat situation. Someone with a modern weapon could aim and light you up before you'd ever get them in your sights.
J Borg The old bolt actions would be great for hunting and survival or even long range engagments, but I would hate to use one in an urban fire fight against enemies armed with AK 47s.
For hunting and survival yes, but they're not accurate enough for long range. They only have around 4 MOA accuracy, an AR15 would still be better. Those old rifles are designed with Napoleonic combat in mind, firing in ranks.
J Borg I gained a lot of respect for the M16 and AR15 series of rifles when I served as a US Marine. At the time I served Our standard service rifle was the M16A2. The M16A2s that We took all over the world were very accurate and extremely dependable. We took good care of them and had good service. My Son is supposed to ship our for Marine Boot Camp some time in febuary, if I am not mistaken He will be issued the M4 Carbine which is a decendant of Our old M16s that We carried. I pray for His safety, admire His Courage, and am very proud of Him. I will be there when He graduates. Semper Fi
Only one rifle? AR15 chambered in 5.56, preferably short like an 11.5-13 ish inch barrel. Still effective at 500 yards, but smaller and more handy than a 20” A2 or A4.
I only have one rifle and that's a 10/22 ruger I love it and I'm really good with it. I train with it and I'll always go for it. But I also carry my mac-10.
Probably going to get even worse. If the left was able to steal the 2020 election while Trump was in office, I am thinking the '24 vote will be even easier with Biden and Harris currently running the show.
Canadian infantry veteran here. My 308 is my favorite go to rifle. I know it will knock down anything in North America, and ammo is readily available almost everywhere. I was trained on the FN rifles and understand the 7.62x51/308.
I am most proficient in Regards to accuracy with my Henry 357 magnum. It is a bit heavy and slow to reload so, that's why I have my Ruger mini 14 in 5.56 Nato / 223... Oh to compliment the Henry my Ruger Blackhawk in the same Caliber is good. Good subject..thanks...
Texan here from way down south....I was a fool and sold a nicely sporterized SMLE, got it for 80 bucks back in 87. There are so many great bolt guns to choose from but I would take a Model 70 Winchester in 30.06 ( open sights) and Buckmark 22lr pistol.
If I had to grab one gun in a hurry I might choose the Springfield A3-03...have plenty of resources for reloads and in 30.06, it's extremely versatile.
just as an idea for your scope mounting on the mauser: why not go with a mount on the sight that then bends over the center axis of the bore, similar to the sovjet style scope mounts? you can still use the iron sights and do not need to take the scope off, yet you can have a good scope for longer range shooting available at any time. wouldn't be too hard for a gunsmith or machinist to make one specifically for your mauser. the only drawback there would be that you can't use stripper clips anymore, but since you rifle doesn't have the guide anyways, that's not really a loss. have a nice day
Having served in the USMC for over 10 years, I can tell you that I don't care how big you are or how good of shape you are in, you can Not carry enough ammo to feed a AR, AK, SKS or similar caliber long gun. It's too heavy Period ! My ONE gun run is a 10/22 with as much (Wich is Allot) ammo as I can carry.
T. Smith my choice also everyone thinks it's got to be a big caliber I can do as much with my 1022 as any AR I got and I'd bet you could to smart choice
Daniel Smith I know they got them just don't Know how dependable or accurate they would be I don't know anyone that has one and can't ask a salesman thell tell you anything to sell it
I have a surplus Air Force .22 adapter unit for my AR15 With good ammo it is dependable and is accurate enough. A plus is I don't have to adjust my sights ( eotech) when I install it as at 25 yards it is right on. Very quick to put in, it just replaces the bolt The magazine body is the size of a 30 rd mag I wish it was on a smaller 20 rd
T. Smith Exactly!! We're talking mobility and sustainableity. Unless.your old n.stove up like me, you can carry 5000 rounds of 22lr or more in a back pack. Definately my go to on the way through the house. Like you said I can definately ruin ur day with one of my 10/22s and for a long time. Especially with ammon supply cashes.
I know you said on rifle and technically it is, I have a Savage model 10, I have 3 barrels for it, 22-250,6.5x47L, .308win, mag fed. It only takes a few minutes to change barrels, I have several thousands of rounds of brass and the bullets to go with them. Does that count and how do you feel about it? The 22-250 for smaller game, the 6.5 will reach to 1200+ yrds and a .308 needs no talking about. That all said my .270 has taken more than 50 Mule Deer and 3 Elk?
If I could have only one....My M1A would be it. You mentioned the brass being ejected and lost? You missed one important feature about this rifle! You can turn the gas system "off" and use this rifle in single shot mode, actuating the action manually. Should a situation arise where rapid successive shots were in order, simply turning the gas system on again would provide instant semi-auto function. You can kit the equipment needed to turn this rifle into a DMR, Sniper, or just about anything else a rifle in bad times could be expected to resolve or provide for. I would definitely NOT choose a .223 for this purpose.
I like the m1 socom 16. You can hunt any north American game with it. Or you can plug the 50 round drum and defend the ranch. A new take on a classic battle rifle.
Well, I'd choose a single-shot break action 12 gauge with multi-caliber adapters but since you're talking about one "rifle" it would be any good .22LR. I like the Ruger 10/22 takedown model. You can stockpile tons of ammo, it's cheap, available, lightweight and will take big game with brain shots and is great for small game (which is more plentiful anyway).
1) Partial temporary breakdown [economic breakdown, currency crisis, pandemic, etc] (some rioting, civil disorder, thugs, gangs, limited LE & military support for weeks/months): AR15 & Semi Auto 9mm/.40/45acp. Pistol can be concealed. Rifle almost never can be. If you need to defend yourself quickly you need semi auto period. Anything else with high societal disruption is giving yourself a severe disadvantage. At this stage you won't know if you need to stay home and hunker down or bail out but whatever happens will happen fast and your enemies will be very close by and probably too numerous to engage on your own. 2) Long term global event [severe pandemic, solar event, super volcano, etc.] (widespread total breakdown of rule of law in the beginning, a general thinning of the population at large, eventually leading to creative means of survival. People have learned to avoid engagements whenever possible, ALL resources are scarce including food, clean water, defendable land, seeds, tools, ammunition. This is a multi year possibly multi generational event. People who are surviving are learning to work together in groups for long term stability and are creating some sort of livable system.) Semi Auto during the initial chaos stage followed eventually by bolt action, revolver, single shot types of weapons that can be counted on after being weathered and carried for many years (hint: magazines will fail due to spring tension metal fatigue, ammo that needs to feed cleanly and reliably (semi auto) will start to become harder to come by and harder to be a reliable platform. Hello all magazine fed systems, hello mag tubes, hello double barrel shotguns with internal hammer springs.) This is where those who've been creative with weapon selection, weapon care, system preservation, ammo conservation and avoidance tactics will start to have their day. The earth will go on and the day of everyone taking everyone else's shit to survive will become a losing game... eventually. 3) Long term economic downturn (Venezuela style). LE & military remain in effect as is the rule of law. Lots of folks just have a much worse quality of life and people literally have to pick through garbage to survive en masse. This is where a concealed pistol would be the number one choice in almost every situation. Long gun would be more advisable to have a shotgun or a lever action type weapon that doesn't get you carted off by the powers that be to sit in a prison awaiting some sort of trial because you shot a couple of guys with 1/2 a mag and had a few stray rounds go into cars and houses of neighbors who don't feel safe with you around anymore. Final: There is no ideal anything and everything is a tool. Sometimes you need a hammer and sometimes a saw. A wiser man knows which and when. The only wrong answer is not to have any tool at all and hope that others will give you help when you weren't smart enough to help yourself when you could. That is the modern definition of a zombie. Wandering around feeding off the carcasses of others. One thing is certain unfortunately. At some point a major disruption of modern life will occur. Hopefully not in the next 1000 years but it will happen.
Great Video! When I was a youngster my Dad bought a half dozen Lee Enfield WWII surplus. 3 of them had pristine actions and excellent rifling. I harvested a few whitetails with the one that was "mine." My Dad kept one and my older brother kept one. Great rifles with an incredibly smooth action. I wish I had kept it. I have a ballard rifled Marlin 336 30-30 that is very accurate. I believe it was built pre-1950. It is a great rifle and I have at least 5000 pieces of brass much once fired or new. Lots of powder, primers, and bullets too. My well used Lee Turret Press gets used a lot when winter is in full assault mode and I stay indoors. I do have another rifle that I might grab before my Marlin though. I think I would grab my modified CZ 527 in 6.5 Grendel. I altered the bottom metal to accept a 10 round double stack M-16 style magazine. It has become my favorite rifle. Lots of fire power that can reach out and touch two legged predators at very long distances. I harvested a whitetail in November at 70 yards. Works great at "in the woods" ranges too. I liked it that you included a K98 Mauser. I have a Husky Mauser in 6.5x55 that was my "Moose Gun." I have been a huge fan of 6.5x55 Swedish since getting a Carl Gustav Swedish Mil Surp. back in the 1960's. I sold that Mauser too. I wish it had stayed in my collection. Anyway I would point out that those larger bullet cases such as the 8mmx57, .303 British, 6.5x55, and others use quite a bit more powder than 30-30 or 6.5 Grendel. You mentioned the "soft recoil" of the .303. I would suggest that it is stiff compared to the 30-30 or Grendel. As a SHTF caliber 7.62x39 is also a reasonable choice. Two of you mentioned loving the Enfield action. I love that 7.62x39 Enfield clone made in Australia. I wish they were still available in the US. Like you mentioned a bolt action is preferable to a semi-auto although I really love the SKS. Still my customized CZ 527 6.5 Grendel wins hands down. Machining new bottom metal and tuning it for optimum performance was a long process but I am thrilled with the end result. Building a custom Mauser action rifle is the next project for my combo lathe/vertical mill. I will machine the action and buy a barrel. Yep it will be 6.5mm.
the issue with lever the gun is shooting it in the prone and quick follow up are much more difficult than a bolt or semi. Reload is slow as well. I agree about the scout rifles on the market today. I have Savage scout and hate it. I was of the same mind of the m1a as you however the weight carried to feed the weapon require more sacrifice of other items. Since Im not out for a fight and surviving given your scenario the trade off would not be logical. For me a I have yet to find a one rifle option that works surviving and self defense. The closest I have come is Ar15 in 6.5 grendel.
STRAIGHT WALLED LEVER GUN BRASS Lasts forever.. 30-30 on the other hand is relatively fragile, thin neck, stretches, and is only good for about 5 full power reloading's and about 10 med cast bullet loads.. I would know because I reload 30-30.
Good luck in packing ammo for that old beast. "Dropping anything" is not the central issue in a complete societal collapse. If you are on foot, you can pack almost 50 rounds of 22 for EACH 45-70 cartridge and a loaded 22 is vastly more effective than an empty 45-70.
A brazilion Mauser 30-O6 bolt action with internal mag, iron sights,, has been an awesome piece of kit, filled my freezer many times. The M1 Garand .30 cal/ 30-O6 has been another awesome piece of kit, a little over kill for varmints, how ever head shot will save the meat of anything you want to eat. Have fun live free
I think people would generally grab the rifle they are most confident in. And for me that would mean most peoples “deer” rifle. The advantage of that choice would be knowing what you are capable of connecting with at a given range. And the familiarity with the rifle itself. Why have a different rifle for different scenarios when you can use the one your best with, and chances are keep ammo for it and or reloading equipment. Reason I bring it up, is I see a lot of people talk about shtf rifle choices, when in my opinion, it’s already in your safe.
For me it's an AR-15 with three uppers and a 22lr conversion bolt. One upper in 5.56X45 one in 300AAC blackout and one in 458 Socom. With the AR only the lower is considered the firearm so it's much more modular and versatile than other choices. Plus all three calibers use the same mags and I can use four different calibers if I run across the ammo. You can also leave the optic mounted on the upper so no need to rezero after a caliber swap.
I know many that put back up irons on their rifle and never sight them in. I have back up irons on every rifle even though I use optics and I shoot and sight in my irons first before I install the optic
As much as I love the Enfield, I have to choose the Mosin Nagant PU sniper. I have scope or open sights, and a shit ton of ammo. I mean a lifetime supply of 7.62 X 54R.
That's a good consideration. I chose me No1 MKIII, but the PU was a very close second. The 10 shot mag was why I went with the MKIII. The PU scope comes off and on fast. You can still use the iron sights too. Hmmm.... I think I changed my mind and would grab my PU instead now?
gunnerjames105 Yes I know. I own three of them. It's a cool design. I'm curios if your iron sights were sighted in on your PU when you got it? To be clear, did your scope and iron sights have the same point of impact? One off mine did. The other two did not.
One of my favorite yt gun vids. I try to watch at least once a year. Since it first came out I have picked up a solid o3a3, I doubt it was ever carried other than stateside gaurd duty. A numbers matched ishapore 308 jungle carbine copy that I 2.75x burris scout scoped and keeps 100yd groups under 2". Recently, a really great guy gave me a mildly sporterized 303, not sure the "model" as you refer to but it has a mag cut off and if I recall there is a 1919 date on it as well. Love these old battle horses. I had an M1A scout 18", its just not very practical for me.
I'm not in Canada, but miles away in North Carolina and watching y'alls video I feel like I have about the same mind set. We must prepare for the fall of civilization because it's hanging on by a thread.
Best rifle to grab would be the one that you are familiar with, low maintenance(fever parts the better), decent caliber, uncomplicated for a spouse to use, have adequate magazine capacity, sling hardware.
In a SHTF situation all the game, including dogs and cats, will disappear quickly. Stock up on freeze dried survival food, be discreet about it. Have a good source of water and fuel. Get out of cities now, life is much better in small towns, get to know your neighbors, but don't let them know you too well. Stay low key, be grey. .22s are very good to have, long barreled bolt actions with thousands of rounds of CCI Quiets and other loadings could be very useful. But only one rifle?! What a terrible thing to contemplate!
The Classic Lee Loader.......is what you are trying to recall. I have great success with mine. Gotta say this to Riflechair, every time I start to rethink my ownership of Lee Enfield rifles you will post something that reaffirms my ownership of many. Then I generally buy another one. Keep on keeping on.....thanks.
I absolutely love this video. I have watched it so many times. I t has inspired me to find the rifle I have always wanted, a Springfield 03A3! (which outshoots my ruger american with a leupold outto 200yds with irons!) i would like to see a part two, or update vid in regards to this video!!keep up the practical great vids!
I agree. Very thought provoking. I think that the truth is that what works for one, might not for another. But, by all means have a plan and prepare now. As things currently stand, the US is on the edge of hyperinflation. A soft landing seems to be a pipedream now.
I have Winchester 94 in 30-30 with a old Redfield M294 2.5x EER Scope mounted to the barrel, I bought a old Lyman rear peep so it still retains Iron sight capability. This is probably the most practical rifle I own in a very easy to find cartridge especially here in the US. I have both the Irons and scope zeroed for 175yrds and have laminated range card slipped in the butt cuff. The whole set up only set me back $450 USD.
Hi guys. With the scenario you guys are sketching, one weapon is not going to cut it. There are too many variables. Chances are that neither you or I are going to go off in aggressor mode, but rather in defensive mode, be it forest cabin, homestead, or temporary camp somewhere. So, in order to survive one would need some variety of options. One of those options is, as you guys have said, a "long gun". The way I see it, such a rifle would be needed primarily for hunting large game, and for any other longer range applications (say 200 metres, plus, but only up to the limit of your own competence - in my case, no longer than about 400 metres, with any certainty). That said, if I was to "join your club", what I'd bring to the party is the most versatile rifle that I could identify. For me that would be the SCAR 17S, in 7,62mm. It's remarkably light, very accurate, and reliable, with a calibre that will drop any game around efficiently. It's role in self defence would be confined to the longer ranges, which in reality would be quite limited (depending on circumstances). Being based on a military rifle, however, its basic DNA would stand one in good stead. The new NRCH variant has dealt with some issues and there are now approved optics that will survive on this rifle. The cheapies won't. As an aside, I would also ensure that I have other weapons to deal with closer range security threat that are better suited to that purpose. Firstly, for intermediate ranges (say 50-200m) the FN P90 (or PS90, to be legal) SBR, would be my choice. Secondly, my handgun choice would be the FN Five seveN, also in 5,7 x 28mm. (I'm not sure what legislation is currently in force but I'm dealing with this on a theoretical level.)
There was a hunter in Mexico who fought off and killed a bunch of cartel dudes who were trying to take over his ranch, the hunter was only armed with a hunting rifle, the cartels were armed with ARs, AKs, and grenade launchers. The hunter took out like 5 or 6 of them before succumbing to death. What got the hunter killed wasn't that he didn't have a PS90, SCAR, Five Seven or all these guns you mentioned that also happen to be very common in video games lol... He died because he was one man against a big group. Numbers are more important than anything else. Real human beings don't act like zombies or like unrealistically programmed NPCs in video games. You could have a semi-auto 308 with a 50 round drum mag and people will try to spread out, surround you, flank you, smoke you out, or burn you out. They will not all keep coming in a straight line like a horde. Also, notice the title of the video. They're talking about IF they could only have one rifle. If you've ever lived any kind of life in the forest where constant subsistence from the environment is key to your survival... You'd know that weight matters. You won't be carrying multiple guns or hundreds of rounds of ammo on your person. You're not a soldier in a platoon with supply lines and resources, you're a hunter in the woods who's been put in a survival situation trying to make due with what you've got.
If your in the states when TSHF, I think the most common ammo now (probably wasn't 10 years ago) is the .223 I would have to go with an AR-15 and throw the .22 LR conversion bolt and mag in my bag as well. These two calibers should cover most survival and defense situations.
Good discussion. I would add some questions. From the sound of the discussion, a question would arise, how much ammo should you have on hand for this emergency and how much would you be carrying in this situation? Along with the chosen weapon needs to meet the reliability requirements, would a peep sight be desired with or in lieu of a scope? If you have the capability, would you equip the rifle with a sight to be attached to the stock or in a pouch if the scope died? Mentioned to common caliber, would you go along withe the Canadian Ranger caliber or just a short list preferred calibers (.303, .308/7.62, 7.62x39, .30-30, etc.)?
I'm thinking an AR in 5.56 with god forbid some "high capacity" magazines (If the government's done then nobody can stop you from unpinning them. anyways), as well as a .22 conversion BCG. 2 guns in one.
I Loved the small group round table in the woods. Very fun in watching. I find myself lately growing close to the Ishapore 2A1 .308. Which has many Pro things that I would like in a all in one rifle. The one big failure for me with the Ishapore 2A1 .308 rifle is the non ability of being able to install a low powered scope with a scout mount idea and still have the option of having a rear open sight that works great. Thanks for the sharing of the ideas on video guys!
Great show, Riflechair, you look better with a beard! I live in BC on the Sunshine Coast, near Sechelt. The Sunshine Coast is populated by a lot of hippy pothead Socialist/Communists. Their against everything! A lot of Vietnam Draft Dodgers populated the place during the 60's.. OK, finished my rant. I live in an area where the great earthquake is suppose to strike so I'm also aware of natural desasters. Politically, I'm extremly worried about Trudeau and any other far left Socialist Gov.t, so far the recently elected NDP in BC have been behaving, unlike Alberta and the Ontario Lib's. I spent a lot of time thinking of a good all around rifle and considered many, but in the end chose the Norinco M300 (M14a). I think the 308 is probably the best round to have as it is readibly available in many different configurations and is very flat shooting for long range. This rifle is also easy to maintain compared to other military rifles. I'm taking up reloading aswell as the 308 is quite expensive, but for practice, the bulk 762X51 isn't overly expensive. I also chose this firearm because it's semi automatic and the mags can easily be restored to 20 rounds if need be. I have put an Arch Angel stock on it, really pleased with it. My old eyes need a scope, but I can shoot it reasonably well at 100 yards with the steal open sights. Lots of trees here, probably don't need much more, but a variable scope with a low power of 2.5 would be great for the range as well and let me get out to 300 Metres and more. I've been stockpiling Nato 762X 51 brass ammo that's reloadable. For home defence if the sh*t hits the fan I also have hand guns and also plan to get a shot gun. Later on as I can afford it I will also get a bolt action 308 hunting rifle that is a lot lighter than the M300, although I'm not really bothered by it's weight as others seem to be.
If I could only have 1 rifle, I would take my suppressed 8.5" 300BO... very capable under 150 yards. Running a solar powered Holosun green dot, and iron backups. I love your guys points of view, great video thanks!
I remember watching this video when it first came out because i was setting up Remington 700 ADL as a general purpose rifle. Watching this now is kind of scary :/
There are lots of Lee-Enfields in the woods of Maine still!It's my go to deer rifle,#4 Mk1.As far as the supply chain goes Florida hurricanes are a great example.Where I live now,in the Tampa Bay area,2-3 days before a storm hits the shelves are bare.Obviously very few people are prepared for Hurricane Season,1-2 days before a storm there's little to no gasoline,propane,charcoal,ect.People start to behave badly in the lead up to a storm because they're stressed,they're unprepared,& they're being inconvenienced.Imagine how they'll behave if services,electricity,water,gas,groceries,ect are down for a week.Of course,I'll be at home with my generator,grilling a steak,enjoying a few cold ones,& watching Riflechair videos!
If I could only have one "Grab and Go" rifle , it would have to be my .357 Magnum lever action . Because it takes the same ammo as my sidearm , so I won't have to carry 2 different cal. ammo with me . And because I have already made up a grab and go reloading kit for it . Here is My portable reloading kit : m.ruclips.net/video/b3-rxaM-stQ/видео.html
I know you are talking rifles, but my most versatile firearm is a 12 gauge, single-shot, break open, shotgun. Such shotguns will feed on any kind of shot or slug, from dove loads, to triple ought buckshot. Foster slugs can be used for big game at short range, and lead ball, in 72 caliber, converted to black powder. Another option is a rifled insert in a variety of calibers. I chose .45 Colt. And if you have to go back to black powder, that too, can be done through one of these, ( but NOT pump or semi-auto shotguns). Mine is one of the old New England Firearms, single-shots, but manufacturers include Harrington & Richardson, Stevens, and as of late, Henry. ☠️🇺🇸☠️
No rifle at all, a shotgun. Scoped mossberg 500 12 gauge, 24 inch barrel with all 3 chokes and a variety of ammo good to 100 yards in a pinch with slugs. Failing that i would grab my lever action Scoped Marlin 30-30 with peep through irons. reliable, proven, plenty of ammo, mid weight, and can take just about anything out to 200
Great conversation guys. One thing you said a home is ultimately indefensible. Plus hunting and generally moving a lot. Ammo will be limited to carry. A bolt or lever action makes more sense unless you have perfect fire discipline. Cheers.
I would want to use my 308 chilean mauser, or bring the sks. The 308 round is common and my 308 is fairly light. I would bring the sks because its a semi auto, with a 30 cal round.
If it was for a likely long term problem, get yourself a casting and pellet swage set up so you can melt lead and reuse .22 caliber pellets. Avoid shootouts like the plague because you would be at a disadvantage. That being said a Break barrel .22 pellet gun would get you food for years and a fire arm would require you have access to a store from time to time. Pellets can usually be recovered and recast and swaged.
Interesting stuff. I have, for years, dreamed of the "one rifle" but I have concluded that small game hunting negates the whole idea. At sometime you will need a .22 for small game. However, I would not want to defend the family with a .22, therefore, I need a larger weapon. I have a 8mm mauser in scout configuration with the long eye relief scope- very close to what you were talking about in the video. Open sights are great but as your age increases, eye sight decreases causing many of us to need optics. Anyway, very good thought inducing video.
You are right. One way or another there will be a compromise. An old Savage M24 .22LR/20ga can be made to work for hunting....but be woefully inadequate to do the job for self defense. And an AR is useless on quail.
I live in California and right now it is November 22 and 80 degrees. This is los Angeles and squirrels about all over the place here, doves fill the trees, rabbit, jack rabbits are abundant in the hills, which are walking distance from my house. Best of all, large amounts of Tuna are being caught by sports fishermen out in the ocean right off our coast, not to mention the fruit stands all over in the spring time, and the year round gardens in people's back yards and apartment building front yards. Heck, a small river even runs right under UCLA and there is water in the Santa Monica mountains. Everyone talks about people killing and eating people in such places as los Angeles.. well all I see is food everywhere. And most of the Mexican people whom I grew up with raised rabbits and chickens in their back yards... they thrive in this climate.. So I don't know how chaotic it will be.. it shouldn't be that bad.. Isn't Jack Rabbit hunting season here in California year round? Not to mention you can see large deer on the hills around the portion of the 405 that connects the valley to Santa Monica and hollywood. And there are tons of rattlesnakes that come out in the summer, and they taste kind of like chicken. Food Everywhere!!
there is food everywhere while nobody is needing them for food. population of LA is 3.976 million. I guarantee there are not 3.976 million varmints running around, and if there are, that lasts a day with one per person. they would be non existent if people needed to eat them.
Logan Schlee There is on average 2 squirrels per acre in the forest, populations may be slightly higher in parksBUT, there is nowhere near enough wild game to feed large numbers of people in LA. The largest supply of meat is human with the ass cheeks being the most tender cuts.
Taraus Raging Judge Magnum 454 Casull / 45 Colt / .410, with a 16" barrel and buttstock added to make it into a carbine rifle (with iron sights)! Machine it to take moon clips for speed loading abilities. It could shoot 454 Casull or 45 Colt with bullets varying between 135 to a 395 grains. I could load 454 Casull or 45 Colt shot shell loads. Plus .410s loaded with bird shot, buckshot, rock salt, rubber buck shot, Dragons Breath, Dragons Breath with buckshot, flechettes, nails, pebbles, marbles, sand, ground cayenne pepper, ground glass, etc...
I hunt with a Tikka T3 with a Bushnell scope in .308 for years. Prior to that, I used a Lee Enfield No.4 with the original full military stock and iron sights for decades. It put a lot of venison on the table when I was a younger man, it was replaced by the Tikka only because it was lighter. If the SHTF and I could only grab one rifle, I think it would be my No.4 with a box full of ammo with a couple stripper clips. I think my second choice would be an SKS only because I own one as well.
nomad terry We might not always be right but we usually research our subjects well. Too bad city folks think we’re stupid Hicks They might take us more seriously if it wasn’t for their ego.
The P.13 was a scoped rifle identical to the P.14 ( They both feature a mauser action(far more accurate than the Lee Enfield) although, only 5 shots as supposed to 10 !
"If you could only own one rifle, what would it be?" Other people: AR15, AK47,(insert ridiculously oversized machine gun) Me: *Small Magazine Lee Enfield Number 4 Mark 1*
An AR15 is both lighter and shorter than a No4, is also not a machine gun, and the ammunition is smaller and lighter which means you can carry much more of it, typically in 10-30 rnd magazines. It also separates easily into two components for potential stowage in a pack or case for staying lower profile, in a take down rifle style. It's not a macho thing, an AR15 is genuinely a very good choice for this type of scenario, not to mention it's used by military and police all over the continent, making ammunition and spare parts that much more available. Also due to this availability the chances of you encountering someone else with an AR15 (or any other semi auto rifle) is high, which puts you at a distinct disadvantage if you need to defend yourself, and you just have your No4. I would also like to point out that the AR's .223/5.56 round is a good compromise between hunting and self defense. It's small enough to not totally destroy small game with good shot placement vs a 30 cal bullet, yet still powerful enough to bring down deer and larger animals. Your assertion that it's a just a ridiculously oversized machine gun, really is pure nonsense.
I didn't say The AR-15 or the AK47 were oversized machine guns.(note the comma separating the oversized machine gun from the previous two examples) I was saying the most common answer to the question after the AR and AK platform rifles would be something over-the-top, typically a machine gun, more often than not a Minigun. The joke is, that my answer seems so underpowered and simple compared to theirs, never did I say my choice was superior, in fact in a real survival scenario in which society had collapsed, I would probably choose an AR for the very same reasons you just listed, however you cannot for a second pretend the Lee Enfield is not a superb gun, it could more than stand up to a civilian AR-15 especially at range, if we were talking military versions with burst fire and full-auto capabilities, that would be different, but 303 is more than a match for 5.56 at 300 meters. Not to mention the Lee Enfield is an old style rifle, it's specifically tailored for long range sharpshooting, I personally have hit my exact target at 200m with an SMLE, and while the AR-15 is accurate, many of the civilian market ones with smaller barrels just do not have the stability, or the accuracy to effectively stack up against a bolt action rifle at long range, and, despite being a bolt action, the SMLE has many characteristics that make it more suitable for closer range combat, for one it has a short pull action, making it much easier to cycle rounds in the heat of combat, additionally it can hold two five round stripper clips, twice that of most bolt action rifles, and equivalent to most civilian AR-15s abiding by local regulations.
Ok, fair enough then. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trashing the No4, in fact it's been one of my favourite rifles for many years, I own two of them. At distance certainly the 303 will be a good match for an AR15, in closer self defense type scenarios the guy with the AR15 has a major advantage however. That's most likely where defensive situations will happen, close up and dirty. Also, in a SHTF situation, magazine capacity laws will go out the window, and 30 rounds in semi auto is a lot better than ten in a bolt action. The reload time is also drastically faster for the AR. As for accuracy most civilian AR's use barrels of equal or greater quality as military issue ones if you buy milspec or better, and are often free floated to boot in the higher end rifles, like my Daniel Defense for instance. Certainly not an issue there. The 303 will still hit harder though. So yes, the No4 is an excellent rifle and has an exemplary record and I'm a huge fan of it. For this scenario though, I will go AR15 for pure practicality reasons. It just makes more sense in my mind.
@@theCANaDiAN1987 I would counter a good AR10 , which is the proper comparison, is more than a match and is far superior to an Enfield of any make or year. If target competition models are cited, the AR10 excels handily. Lends itself to availability of ammo , accuracy, and ruggedness. And if chosen properly, commonality of prevailing parts and mags as well.
Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. !! My dad taught me that from an early age and I'm 68 now so... Great video guys and food for thought.
Arguably, Samson, even though he sinned, died honoring God and took down more Philistines at his death than he did even with the jawbone of an ass. I'm all for an epic stand like that over running. To hell with running.
To The guy in the Red jumper with the mauser ! I agree the standard steel magazine for the Ruger Scout Rifle is a clunky rattling concept ! I love my 18 inch Stainless no flash hider Australian Ruger Scout Rifle ! I can easily carry more than enough .308 win in the ruger polymer mags to sustain me for a day or days without fear of running short before resupply from my home base camp whatever the case may be ! My best friend is LEE-ENFIELD crazy yes .303 brittish is a more than decent round It will kill just about everything with 2 legs or 4 legs " there is a gentleman from south Africa successfully for years for elephant's Killaminjaro bell ! But if I only have the choice of 1 rifle! Then I choose my .308 Ruger Scout Standard iron peep sights I'm good to go ! Grab the vest grab the scout and I can carry over 100 rnds of reach out and touch you fmj or hollow points depending on the situation !
Easy one. Ar-15. Insanely light weight, high capacity with fairly lightweight ammo. Throw in a 22lr conversion kit and a box of 500 22lr. In America it is difficult to get 303 easily and an Enfield is way too heavy. An AR can be used for hunting all size game and works well for defense. In America 223 and 556 is very common at every corner store. You can also get an AR in any caliber you prefer if 556 isn't your thing. Or get an AR 10. Everything on them is also easy to service. You don't even need a gunsmith to change a barrel or anything on them.
Beard's are making a come back. gonna let my beard grow....Guys that only happens in the US. Why would I stock up on food and water in a shelter or a house. The first place to be raided will be your place, as soon as people discover that you have food......Canada
For a bolter the Enfield action is IMO, the very best ever made. That, and the Krag-Jorgensen. Smooth and quick. british soldiers drilled the shooting method called the Mad MInute, where in they equalled/surpassed the speed of the Garand in putting suppressive fire on the enemy. German soldiers were interviewed and said they surrendered to a platoon of British troops, only to find out it was a squad. No Mauser I have ever fired is as smooth and friction-free. Plus, the Enfield is spring assisted in the bolt draw, which keeps the rifle closer to the target through the motion. Just beautifully designed and executed. As an American, I like my O3's a lot but they are clunkers compared to a nicely maintained Enfield.
The AK47 would be a fine choice in my oponion. Its robust. Its mechanism is simple. It has ballistics equal to the 30-30 winchester, and is relatively light weight. My only concern with the AK47 is ammo availability when the world goes south. A polish Baryle is a robust AK rifle that fires a 556 NATO round. 556 nato will be everywhere because of the popularity of the AR15. From a ballistic stand point the M855 round fired from a 16 inch barrel delivers ballistic energy at 300 yards greater than a Federal 158 grain JHP fired from a 4 inch 357 magnum at the muzzle. In a situation that we hope never comes, it would be hard to be an ak chambered in 556 nato.
I have a lot of "big game" and Milsap guns. But my go to rifle would be the Henry in .22 mag. Good small game. Fair for defense. Holds a lot of ammo and punches above it's weight class.
Better keep in clean. If clean, you will swear by it. If fouled, you will swear at it! And if you're wondering, I do have experience with that style weapon. Only it was a M16A2. Now, you want a truly reliable weapon? M2 .50 cal Browning. My weapon of choice! Be all you can be!
You can carry as many mags as you like gents. I like your presentation and respect your perspectives, but we're definitely different animals when it comes to firepower.
@@landrecce We are looking at what a rifle needs to do FOR US. You obviously believe that you need a GTW rifle. For us it comed down to hunting and basic security.
My 20 ga. pump has a 7 round mag. With one 00 buckshot in the chamber and 7 in the tube anything within 50 yards is in deep doodoo if they are a threat. With slugs it is good out to 200 yds. That's good enough. I read some criticism of lever guns being "slow" to reload. Lever guns can be continually reloaded. As for ammo the 7.62x39 is still the most available ammo globally. The 30-30 Win. Is number 2. Win Model 94s and Marlin 336s are literally everywhere. I do love my Savage-Stevens Mark 4 but still if I had to grab one weapon and head to the forest it would be my 870 20 ga. pump and a couple of big bags of ammo. I am a ling time slug and buckshot hunter. My shotgun "bag" has a sleeve with a rifled barrel. Sabots are tack drivers out beyond 250 yds. I like rifles but my 20 ga. Is plenty. At my age shooting beyond 150 yds just isn't practical and..... For home defense my "shockwave 20 ga." Is more than enough. I am certain it will pointed out that a 12 ga is a better choice because is easier to find.
I’ve just watched this vid. to 6mins. 20, and the old guy on the left looks a lot like me! (I’m an Australian) , his rifle is a LOT like one of mine too. I shoot an FN 30-06, similar raised comb etc. 4x Pecar, 150 gr. Hornady spire points. Great and reliable rifle for me for nearly 40 years. Amazing to me that two men on different continents could arrive at such similar conclusions.
As an old Marine, I can tell you for a fact that a 22 in the hands of someone who knows how to shoot will ruin someone's day. All of this talk about the big bores sounds great, but as others have already stated, ammo is key. Shoot someone through the throat, eyeball or groin with a 22 and just see how effective it is. Hell, a 22 pellet rifle will ruin someone's day doing that. If you add a suppressor to the mix, you have also increased the effectiveness as well. From there, learn how to use a traditional bow. Up close and personal changes exponentially. No one likes to hear the screams of the wounded in battle, whether it be trained military or untrained thugs. Of course great concealment is key, or well thought about run and gun, remembering they will be shooting back.
Robert31352 exactly right and as far as the mortally wounded yet still very "vocal" about his/her condition is going to mind-fשk a bunch of untrained thugs for sure.
Robert31352 I want to buy a pellet caster and swage tool so I could reuse lead. A break barrel pellet .22 would also never need a compressor as many modern ones do. I like your post! Nice one!
The Israeli armed forces use 22lr short barrel rifles (AR-16 style) for close quarters in urban areas.
Long barreled .22 bolt action. Thousands of rounds of CCI Quiets and other varieties. Out of a 28" CZ .22 the Quiets are quieter than a lot of pellet rifles.
good point and my 22mag is very accurate and i have couple thousand rounds. can carry much more ammo🤔
My favorite “one gun” is my 77/357 Ruger bolt action 357 magnum. I cast bullets and can shoot mild 38special loads. Costs about 3 cents apiece. Full power loadings in 357 with 125 grain jacketed hollow points have the same power as a 7.62x39. I’ve taken deer and squirrels with it. Reloading the cases is easiest of all cartridges. Straight walled and no shoulder of a bottle neck cartridge makes for long case life. I have never split or ruined a case after dozens of reloadings. Tons of reloading data and a slew of cast bullets to choose from. Best all-around 400 yard and under shtf gun their is.
Did I mention that they make pistols for it also...
I'd rather have a Henry model X in .357 paired with a revolver.
Just re-watched this, my current rifle is a Ruger American Ranch rifle (bolt rifle) in 5.56. It takes AR magazines which I can get from 5 rounds and up. I currently using a red dot on it with the ability to switch it out to a 1.75 X 4 scope. No striper clips or fix sights but very light and ammo is around. Still have the Enfield and ammo on hand just in case. Great video even the second time I watched it.
Good choice.
Double-Barreled 12 gauge break over Shotgun. You can hunt from Squirrel to Bear. Its ammo is very easy to reload. And very little to go wrong.
Nice choices, I love the .303 & 8mm's too, for me though if I can have "only 1" then it will be a .22 LR.
Really? What I'd you're roaming the wasteland and come across a cave of Taliban with AK47?
@@TheAnnoyingBoss Put the pipe down & just say NO...
In the US Marines we fired at 200, 300 and 500 meters with iron sights ... the iron sights are effective
Does scope or optic sight get off the target when these get banged or treated roughly? Do you think placing optic sight on sks is smart idea for preppers?
Semper Fi brother, they were effective when I was 19 years old at 3rd Battalion in 1986....not so much these days. haha
Tom Burgess Semper Fi, I did the same, but remember, We fired at pretty big targets in an open field.
In '67 at P.I. we fired at those ranges with an M14 and Iron Sights.
Chuck Truitt same in 66
For me, it would be the .22 WMR. Excellent for small game, light, carry lots of ammo, and is capable of deer size animals.
American sub. and I love watching Canadian Firearms content. Firearms culture is deeply connected in our two countries and is effected @ Times by either side of the parallel in politics, the industry and public perception/media optics. Keep up the great work gentlemen.
I would probably go for the .222 Remington or the 6 mm Remington
As a Canadian, these guys embarrass me. These are not really gun guys. They're farmers.
Great Video guys! Would a shotgun count in this? Big rifle rounds are great for hunting but for survival I don't think big game is the answer. With a 12 gage I can have a variety of loads for different game. Rabbits and birds here are plentiful and they can be ate in one sitting. For defence it works well in what I would call defensive range. With Lee 7/8oz slugs 150 meters is realistic for a torso sized target. Reloads and ammunition availability are also not a problem.
I have to agree. I started using the Lee Handloader at 18. I shot the same brass 6 to 10 times, before the ring separated 1/2 inch up from the rim. After that, I loaded lighter and brass just needed trimming, and was easier on the shoulder. I have a 94 thats light, with Sierra 175 MatchKings. Single shot they group well. Loading the tube, 150 flat nose, Sierras, a little lighter to span the same arch. For my 1914 Enfield, 180 Lead and Tin. Loaded to hit at 100. Same arch. I also loaded 32 Cal Pistol bullets. 312 at 85gr. They print nice and really destroy the pop bottles. They Idea is the have the velocity matched to a common arch. After 35 years of loading, I finally bought a crony. Wish I had it all these years now. Would have saved me a lot of math and shooting at distance ranging the rifle on targets and proving it to myself. Cheers!
I've given this exact subject much thought over the years and for me it has come to thinking that a .22 LR, probably a lever action would be my choice, 2nd would be a Ruger 10/22, only because it relies on a magazine, if the magazine is lost it becomes a single shot. Just MHO.
Any 22 LR rifle will do for wilderness survival. I am more into revolvers so my Ruger Bearcat will suffice at the moment but I plan to get the new Wrangler with the longer 7 1/2" barrel.
GREAT discussion, gentlemen, thanks for posting!
Definitely a conversation more people need to have. The wife and I teach our kids how to cook and bake , how to can food themselves and how to hunt meat.
Best to have a skill and not need it than to need it and not have it, as you gents had mentioned.
If I could have only one, it would be my Marlin 1894 in 357 Mag with a William's FP peep. It handles both 38 & 357's, easy to reload & will take down just about anything with proper shot placement.
That's a tough question. I'd have to go with my Ruger Scout in .308 for long term reliability. It's got a 2.5X long relief on the front and Iron sights also properly zero'd in at MPBR. Detachable mags work for me as I am used to them from many years in the service. Great discussion guys I really enjoyed listening to it!
I dabbled with a necked down .308 case to take a 7mm bullet. I was impressed by the range of the bullet with decent lack of drastic drop, compared to the 30 caliber. The right bullet in the right area will take down an elk at 200 yds. It is a superior antelope round with 140 grain bullet. A 145 grain will drop any deer. I gave the 7mm-08 to my wife, who is now my ex. I bought 7mm Rem Mag and hunted all big game. With hand loads, I could get the equivalent of a nice .280. I could load them up for longer range and elk. My grandson got talked into a .270 Win. We are working with hand loads when we can get components. Another shortage this time of year for primers and powder. We found some back in May, luckily. Bob
Just living normal life in Canada already requires preparation.
Just about any 22lr bolt action rife could serve dinner and provide some level of security. My personal choice would be CZ 452 ultra lux w/or wo/scope. Include a semi auto pistol (or revolver) in same 22lr configuration for additional firepower.
Watching this in 2020/2021 is really spooky... Thanks for uploading!
Shit got real pretty quickly.
Proves you just never know, and it's good to always be prepared.
October 2022, not looking too good
I am from the future. 8/ 2024😊
It gets worse!
Best Wishes!
At the end of the presentation, the colonel gets to the important 22lr , silent ,and the family eats, aspect. Silence is golden...
I love the idea of carrying a proper mountaineers rifle as 1 stop solution. For hunting sure... I'd like to think a 10/22 is the best option for all considerations. Ammo availability, weight, ammo carry-ability, fire power.
Hate to say this, I love My 30 06 but for all out survival and defense I would probably want My AR 15 with a .22LR Conversion in My pack for small game. I could use this Rifle for fighting and for small to medium game. With a 30 Round Mag of .556 its a formidable weapon.
I agree. I definitely wouldn't want an old bolt action rifle in a combat situation. Someone with a modern weapon could aim and light you up before you'd ever get them in your sights.
J Borg The old bolt actions would be great for hunting and survival or even long range engagments, but I would hate to use one in an urban fire fight against enemies armed with AK 47s.
For hunting and survival yes, but they're not accurate enough for long range. They only have around 4 MOA accuracy, an AR15 would still be better. Those old rifles are designed with Napoleonic combat in mind, firing in ranks.
J Borg I gained a lot of respect for the M16 and AR15 series of rifles when I served as a US Marine. At the time I served Our standard service rifle was the M16A2. The M16A2s that We took all over the world were very accurate and extremely dependable. We took good care of them and had good service. My Son is supposed to ship our for Marine Boot Camp some time in febuary, if I am not mistaken He will be issued the M4 Carbine which is a decendant of Our old M16s that We carried. I pray for His safety, admire His Courage, and am very proud of Him. I will be there when He graduates. Semper Fi
Rick Nethery much respect brother
Only one rifle? AR15 chambered in 5.56, preferably short like an 11.5-13 ish inch barrel. Still effective at 500 yards, but smaller and more handy than a 20” A2 or A4.
great video mine will be a CZ 527 i love it , with scope or not good at 250 meters
I only have one rifle and that's a 10/22 ruger I love it and I'm really good with it. I train with it and I'll always go for it. But I also carry my mac-10.
A good old Russian SKS iron slights, stripper clips and a close quarters Bayonet
Me 50 cal
SKS any day, all day, every day. Same reason
Same
Good video great advise 👍 sorry to say here in the States we're in a hell of a mess too. PRAY 🙏 & prepare 🇺🇸🪖
Probably going to get even worse. If the left was able to steal the 2020 election while Trump was in office, I am thinking the '24 vote will be even easier with Biden and Harris currently running the show.
A Canadian Gentlemen, nice choice, 10 shot, smooth.
Canadian infantry veteran here. My 308 is my favorite go to rifle. I know it will knock down anything in North America, and ammo is readily available almost everywhere. I was trained on the FN rifles and understand the 7.62x51/308.
A short lever gun in 357/38 for me, like the Marlin 1894C.
minutemanqvs Same for me, except I have the Henry in 44Mag.
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I am most proficient in Regards to accuracy with my Henry 357 magnum.
It is a bit heavy and slow to reload so, that's why I have my Ruger mini 14 in 5.56 Nato / 223...
Oh to compliment the Henry my Ruger Blackhawk in the same Caliber is good.
Good subject..thanks...
Absolutely, add an accompanying revolver in 357 and you will be well armed.
Texan here from way down south....I was a fool and sold a nicely sporterized SMLE, got it for 80 bucks back in 87. There are so many great bolt guns to choose from but I would take a Model 70 Winchester in 30.06 ( open sights) and Buckmark 22lr pistol.
If I had to grab one gun in a hurry I might choose the Springfield A3-03...have plenty of resources for reloads and in 30.06, it's extremely versatile.
just as an idea for your scope mounting on the mauser: why not go with a mount on the sight that then bends over the center axis of the bore, similar to the sovjet style scope mounts? you can still use the iron sights and do not need to take the scope off, yet you can have a good scope for longer range shooting available at any time. wouldn't be too hard for a gunsmith or machinist to make one specifically for your mauser. the only drawback there would be that you can't use stripper clips anymore, but since you rifle doesn't have the guide anyways, that's not really a loss. have a nice day
Having served in the USMC for over 10 years, I can tell you that I don't care how big you are or how good of shape you are in, you can Not carry enough ammo to feed a AR, AK, SKS or similar caliber long gun. It's too heavy Period ! My ONE gun run is a 10/22 with as much (Wich is Allot) ammo as I can carry.
T. Smith my choice also everyone thinks it's got to be a big caliber I can do as much with my 1022 as any AR I got and I'd bet you could to smart choice
Did you forget that you can put a .22 cal adapter in an ar??
Daniel Smith I know they got them just don't Know how dependable or accurate they would be I don't know anyone that has one and can't ask a salesman thell tell you anything to sell it
I have a surplus Air Force .22 adapter unit for my AR15
With good ammo it is dependable and is accurate enough. A plus is I don't have to adjust my sights ( eotech) when I install it as at 25 yards it is right on.
Very quick to put in, it just replaces the bolt
The magazine body is the size of a 30 rd mag I wish it was on a smaller 20 rd
T. Smith Exactly!! We're talking mobility and sustainableity. Unless.your old n.stove up like me, you can carry 5000 rounds of 22lr or more in a back pack. Definately my go to on the way through the house. Like you said I can definately ruin ur day with one of my 10/22s and for a long time. Especially with ammon supply cashes.
I know you said on rifle and technically it is, I have a Savage model 10, I have 3 barrels for it, 22-250,6.5x47L, .308win, mag fed. It only takes a few minutes to change barrels, I have several thousands of rounds of brass and the bullets to go with them. Does that count and how do you feel about it? The 22-250 for smaller game, the 6.5 will reach to 1200+ yrds and a .308 needs no talking about. That all said my .270 has taken more than 50 Mule Deer and 3 Elk?
If I could have only one....My M1A would be it. You mentioned the brass being ejected and lost? You missed one important feature about this rifle! You can turn the gas system "off" and use this rifle in single shot mode, actuating the action manually. Should a situation arise where rapid successive shots were in order, simply turning the gas system on again would provide instant semi-auto function. You can kit the equipment needed to turn this rifle into a DMR, Sniper, or just about anything else a rifle in bad times could be expected to resolve or provide for. I would definitely NOT choose a .223 for this purpose.
Mike Magnum yeah that’s a very good point actually re gas port / piston. I love the M1A / M14. My favourite 308 gas gun by far.
I like the m1 socom 16. You can hunt any north American game with it. Or you can plug the 50 round drum and defend the ranch. A new take on a classic battle rifle.
Mike Magnum
Agreed. My M1A also. In a worst case scenario, semi automatic will be a must.
I am left handed. I fired a M1 Garand a few times. The hot brass hits me in the right ear. Does the M1a do that to lefties?
M1A is in the sweet spot for barrel length and a fine shooter but a 5.56 AR rifle has more versatility in my humble opinion,
Well, I'd choose a single-shot break action 12 gauge with multi-caliber adapters but since you're talking about one "rifle" it would be any good .22LR. I like the Ruger 10/22 takedown model. You can stockpile tons of ammo, it's cheap, available, lightweight and will take big game with brain shots and is great for small game (which is more plentiful anyway).
1) Partial temporary breakdown [economic breakdown, currency crisis, pandemic, etc] (some rioting, civil disorder, thugs, gangs, limited LE & military support for weeks/months): AR15 & Semi Auto 9mm/.40/45acp. Pistol can be concealed. Rifle almost never can be. If you need to defend yourself quickly you need semi auto period. Anything else with high societal disruption is giving yourself a severe disadvantage. At this stage you won't know if you need to stay home and hunker down or bail out but whatever happens will happen fast and your enemies will be very close by and probably too numerous to engage on your own.
2) Long term global event [severe pandemic, solar event, super volcano, etc.] (widespread total breakdown of rule of law in the beginning, a general thinning of the population at large, eventually leading to creative means of survival. People have learned to avoid engagements whenever possible, ALL resources are scarce including food, clean water, defendable land, seeds, tools, ammunition. This is a multi year possibly multi generational event. People who are surviving are learning to work together in groups for long term stability and are creating some sort of livable system.) Semi Auto during the initial chaos stage followed eventually by bolt action, revolver, single shot types of weapons that can be counted on after being weathered and carried for many years (hint: magazines will fail due to spring tension metal fatigue, ammo that needs to feed cleanly and reliably (semi auto) will start to become harder to come by and harder to be a reliable platform. Hello all magazine fed systems, hello mag tubes, hello double barrel shotguns with internal hammer springs.) This is where those who've been creative with weapon selection, weapon care, system preservation, ammo conservation and avoidance tactics will start to have their day. The earth will go on and the day of everyone taking everyone else's shit to survive will become a losing game... eventually.
3) Long term economic downturn (Venezuela style). LE & military remain in effect as is the rule of law. Lots of folks just have a much worse quality of life and people literally have to pick through garbage to survive en masse. This is where a concealed pistol would be the number one choice in almost every situation. Long gun would be more advisable to have a shotgun or a lever action type weapon that doesn't get you carted off by the powers that be to sit in a prison awaiting some sort of trial because you shot a couple of guys with 1/2 a mag and had a few stray rounds go into cars and houses of neighbors who don't feel safe with you around anymore.
Final: There is no ideal anything and everything is a tool. Sometimes you need a hammer and sometimes a saw. A wiser man knows which and when. The only wrong answer is not to have any tool at all and hope that others will give you help when you weren't smart enough to help yourself when you could. That is the modern definition of a zombie. Wandering around feeding off the carcasses of others. One thing is certain unfortunately. At some point a major disruption of modern life will occur. Hopefully not in the next 1000 years but it will happen.
Great Video! When I was a youngster my Dad bought a half dozen Lee Enfield WWII surplus. 3 of them had pristine actions and excellent rifling. I harvested a few whitetails with the one that was "mine." My Dad kept one and my older brother kept one. Great rifles with an incredibly smooth action. I wish I had kept it. I have a ballard rifled Marlin 336 30-30 that is very accurate. I believe it was built pre-1950. It is a great rifle and I have at least 5000 pieces of brass much once fired or new. Lots of powder, primers, and bullets too. My well used Lee Turret Press gets used a lot when winter is in full assault mode and I stay indoors. I do have another rifle that I might grab before my Marlin though. I think I would grab my modified CZ 527 in 6.5 Grendel. I altered the bottom metal to accept a 10 round double stack M-16 style magazine. It has become my favorite rifle. Lots of fire power that can reach out and touch two legged predators at very long distances. I harvested a whitetail in November at 70 yards. Works great at "in the woods" ranges too. I liked it that you included a K98 Mauser. I have a Husky Mauser in 6.5x55 that was my "Moose Gun." I have been a huge fan of 6.5x55 Swedish since getting a Carl Gustav Swedish Mil Surp. back in the 1960's. I sold that Mauser too. I wish it had stayed in my collection. Anyway I would point out that those larger bullet cases such as the 8mmx57, .303 British, 6.5x55, and others use quite a bit more powder than 30-30 or 6.5 Grendel. You mentioned the "soft recoil" of the .303. I would suggest that it is stiff compared to the 30-30 or Grendel. As a SHTF caliber 7.62x39 is also a reasonable choice. Two of you mentioned loving the Enfield action. I love that 7.62x39 Enfield clone made in Australia. I wish they were still available in the US. Like you mentioned a bolt action is preferable to a semi-auto although I really love the SKS. Still my customized CZ 527 6.5 Grendel wins hands down. Machining new bottom metal and tuning it for optimum performance was a long process but I am thrilled with the end result. Building a custom Mauser action rifle is the next project for my combo lathe/vertical mill. I will machine the action and buy a barrel. Yep it will be 6.5mm.
45-70 Marlin Lever.Brass lasts forever and it will drop anything.
Thats a great choice - especially if you can fit an adjustable lyman, redfield or williams rear peep sight and develop zeroes at multiple distances.
the issue with lever the gun is shooting it in the prone and quick follow up are much more difficult than a bolt or semi. Reload is slow as well. I agree about the scout rifles on the market today. I have Savage scout and hate it. I was of the same mind of the m1a as you however the weight carried to feed the weapon require more sacrifice of other items. Since Im not out for a fight and surviving given your scenario the trade off would not be logical. For me a I have yet to find a one rifle option that works surviving and self defense. The closest I have come is Ar15 in 6.5 grendel.
It has one of those Bushnell Eo-Tech knock offs on board.Superbly fast.
STRAIGHT WALLED LEVER GUN BRASS Lasts forever.. 30-30 on the other hand is relatively fragile, thin neck, stretches, and is only good for about 5 full power reloading's and about 10 med cast bullet loads.. I would know because I reload 30-30.
Good luck in packing ammo for that old beast. "Dropping anything" is not the central issue in a complete societal collapse. If you are on foot, you can pack almost 50 rounds of 22 for EACH 45-70 cartridge and a loaded 22 is vastly more effective than an empty 45-70.
A brazilion Mauser 30-O6 bolt action with internal mag, iron sights,, has been an awesome piece of kit, filled my freezer many times. The M1 Garand .30 cal/ 30-O6 has been another awesome piece of kit, a little over kill for varmints, how ever head shot will save the meat of anything you want to eat. Have fun live free
I think people would generally grab the rifle they are most confident in. And for me that would mean most peoples “deer” rifle. The advantage of that choice would be knowing what you are capable of connecting with at a given range. And the familiarity with the rifle itself. Why have a different rifle for different scenarios when you can use the one your best with, and chances are keep ammo for it and or reloading equipment. Reason I bring it up, is I see a lot of people talk about shtf rifle choices, when in my opinion, it’s already in your safe.
For me it's an AR-15 with three uppers and a 22lr conversion bolt. One upper in 5.56X45 one in 300AAC blackout and one in 458 Socom. With the AR only the lower is considered the firearm so it's much more modular and versatile than other choices. Plus all three calibers use the same mags and I can use four different calibers if I run across the ammo. You can also leave the optic mounted on the upper so no need to rezero after a caliber swap.
I agree. Any rifle that you're going to use in a survival situation should have iron sights. Great video.
I know many that put back up irons on their rifle and never sight them in. I have back up irons on every rifle even though I use optics and I shoot and sight in my irons first before I install the optic
If an Enfield at least get an Ishapore in 7.62
As much as I love the Enfield, I have to choose the Mosin Nagant PU sniper. I have scope or open sights, and a shit ton of ammo. I mean a lifetime supply of 7.62 X 54R.
That's a good consideration. I chose me No1 MKIII, but the PU was a very close second. The 10 shot mag was why I went with the MKIII. The PU scope comes off and on fast. You can still use the iron sights too. Hmmm.... I think I changed my mind and would grab my PU instead now?
Scope on PU sits high enough to use scope or iron sights. No need to remove scope!
gunnerjames105 Yes I know. I own three of them. It's a cool design. I'm curios if your iron sights were sighted in on your PU when you got it? To be clear, did your scope and iron sights have the same point of impact? One off mine did. The other two did not.
Haven't tried iron sights. I will take her out this weekend and check it out.
My PU sights were totally zeroed. I never adjusted them. I'm dead bang on at 200m
One of my favorite yt gun vids. I try to watch at least once a year. Since it first came out I have picked up a solid o3a3, I doubt it was ever carried other than stateside gaurd duty. A numbers matched ishapore 308 jungle carbine copy that I 2.75x burris scout scoped and keeps 100yd groups under 2". Recently, a really great guy gave me a mildly sporterized 303, not sure the "model" as you refer to but it has a mag cut off and if I recall there is a 1919 date on it as well. Love these old battle horses. I had an M1A scout 18", its just not very practical for me.
I'm not in Canada, but miles away in North Carolina and watching y'alls video I feel like I have about the same mind set.
We must prepare for the fall of civilization because it's hanging on by a thread.
Best rifle to grab would be the one that you are familiar with, low maintenance(fever parts the better), decent caliber, uncomplicated for a spouse to use, have adequate magazine capacity, sling hardware.
You guys oughta have more sit down chats like this. Great content while just shootin’ the shit.
Agreed!
A great idea for a future video would be an update to this, including a brief look at what's in your kit.
@@Riflechair please do another one rifle chat update.
This one was very enjoyable.
Best Wishes from Montana M.H
good points guys, i like my sks and ak47 they use same round both accurate to 300m lots of mags and ammo but i do like clips too
In a SHTF situation all the game, including dogs and cats, will disappear quickly. Stock up on freeze dried survival food, be discreet about it. Have a good source of water and fuel. Get out of cities now, life is much better in small towns, get to know your neighbors, but don't let them know you too well. Stay low key, be grey. .22s are very good to have, long barreled bolt actions with thousands of rounds of CCI Quiets and other loadings could be very useful.
But only one rifle?! What a terrible thing to contemplate!
The Classic Lee Loader.......is what you are trying to recall. I have great success with mine. Gotta say this to Riflechair, every time I start to rethink my ownership of Lee Enfield rifles you will post something that reaffirms my ownership of many. Then I generally buy another one. Keep on keeping on.....thanks.
I absolutely love this video. I have watched it so many times. I t has inspired me to find the rifle I have always wanted, a Springfield 03A3! (which outshoots my ruger american with a leupold outto 200yds with irons!) i would like to see a part two, or update vid in regards to this video!!keep up the practical great vids!
I agree. Very thought provoking. I think that the truth is that what works for one, might not for another. But, by all means have a plan and prepare now. As things currently stand, the US is on the edge of hyperinflation. A soft landing seems to be a pipedream now.
Your comment is 2 yrs old.. how about you are still spot on?!! The day after the trump verdict, Im gonna reload today! Lol@@steveh4962
I have Winchester 94 in 30-30 with a old Redfield M294 2.5x EER Scope mounted to the barrel, I bought a old Lyman rear peep so it still retains Iron sight capability.
This is probably the most practical rifle I own in a very easy to find cartridge especially here in the US.
I have both the Irons and scope zeroed for 175yrds and have laminated range card slipped in the butt cuff.
The whole set up only set me back $450 USD.
Amen to that
My 10-22, and an ammo can of .22lr. With my 9mm side arm. Both with a silencer.
Hi guys. With the scenario you guys are sketching, one weapon is not going to cut it. There are too many variables. Chances are that neither you or I are going to go off in aggressor mode, but rather in defensive mode, be it forest cabin, homestead, or temporary camp somewhere. So, in order to survive one would need some variety of options. One of those options is, as you guys have said, a "long gun".
The way I see it, such a rifle would be needed primarily for hunting large game, and for any other longer range applications (say 200 metres, plus, but only up to the limit of your own competence - in my case, no longer than about 400 metres, with any certainty).
That said, if I was to "join your club", what I'd bring to the party is the most versatile rifle that I could identify.
For me that would be the SCAR 17S, in 7,62mm. It's remarkably light, very accurate, and reliable, with a calibre that will drop any game around efficiently. It's role in self defence would be confined to the longer ranges, which in reality would be quite limited (depending on circumstances). Being based on a military rifle, however, its basic DNA would stand one in good stead. The new NRCH variant has dealt with some issues and there are now approved optics that will survive on this rifle. The cheapies won't.
As an aside, I would also ensure that I have other weapons to deal with closer range security threat that are better suited to that purpose.
Firstly, for intermediate ranges (say 50-200m) the FN P90 (or PS90, to be legal) SBR, would be my choice.
Secondly, my handgun choice would be the FN Five seveN, also in 5,7 x 28mm.
(I'm not sure what legislation is currently in force but I'm dealing with this on a theoretical level.)
There was a hunter in Mexico who fought off and killed a bunch of cartel dudes who were trying to take over his ranch, the hunter was only armed with a hunting rifle, the cartels were armed with ARs, AKs, and grenade launchers. The hunter took out like 5 or 6 of them before succumbing to death. What got the hunter killed wasn't that he didn't have a PS90, SCAR, Five Seven or all these guns you mentioned that also happen to be very common in video games lol... He died because he was one man against a big group. Numbers are more important than anything else. Real human beings don't act like zombies or like unrealistically programmed NPCs in video games. You could have a semi-auto 308 with a 50 round drum mag and people will try to spread out, surround you, flank you, smoke you out, or burn you out. They will not all keep coming in a straight line like a horde.
Also, notice the title of the video. They're talking about IF they could only have one rifle. If you've ever lived any kind of life in the forest where constant subsistence from the environment is key to your survival... You'd know that weight matters. You won't be carrying multiple guns or hundreds of rounds of ammo on your person. You're not a soldier in a platoon with supply lines and resources, you're a hunter in the woods who's been put in a survival situation trying to make due with what you've got.
If your in the states when TSHF, I think the most common ammo now (probably wasn't 10 years ago) is the .223
I would have to go with an AR-15 and throw the .22 LR conversion bolt and mag in my bag as well. These two calibers should cover most survival and defense situations.
Good discussion. I would add some questions. From the sound of the discussion, a question would arise, how much ammo should you have on hand for this emergency and how much would you be carrying in this situation? Along with the chosen weapon needs to meet the reliability requirements, would a peep sight be desired with or in lieu of a scope? If you have the capability, would you equip the rifle with a sight to be attached to the stock or in a pouch if the scope died? Mentioned to common caliber, would you go along withe the Canadian Ranger caliber or just a short list preferred calibers (.303, .308/7.62, 7.62x39, .30-30, etc.)?
I'm thinking an AR in 5.56 with god forbid some "high capacity" magazines (If the government's done then nobody can stop you from unpinning them. anyways), as well as a .22 conversion BCG. 2 guns in one.
Colton Blumhagen who’s stopping you now
hard to say , enfield , winchester defender , swede m39 or the m1917 . have many others to pick , but these are first a choice
I Loved the small group round table in the woods. Very fun in watching. I find myself lately growing close to the Ishapore 2A1 .308. Which has many Pro things that I would like in a all in one rifle. The one big failure for me with the Ishapore 2A1 .308 rifle is the non ability of being able to install a low powered scope with a scout mount idea and still have the option of having a rear open sight that works great. Thanks for the sharing of the ideas on video guys!
Great show, Riflechair, you look better with a beard! I live in BC on the Sunshine Coast, near Sechelt. The Sunshine Coast is populated by a lot of hippy pothead Socialist/Communists. Their against everything! A lot of Vietnam Draft Dodgers populated the place during the 60's.. OK, finished my rant. I live in an area where the great earthquake is suppose to strike so I'm also aware of natural desasters. Politically, I'm extremly worried about Trudeau and any other far left Socialist Gov.t, so far the recently elected NDP in BC have been behaving, unlike Alberta and the Ontario Lib's. I spent a lot of time thinking of a good all around rifle and considered many, but in the end chose the Norinco M300 (M14a). I think the 308 is probably the best round to have as it is readibly available in many different configurations and is very flat shooting for long range. This rifle is also easy to maintain compared to other military rifles. I'm taking up reloading aswell as the 308 is quite expensive, but for practice, the bulk 762X51 isn't overly expensive. I also chose this firearm because it's semi automatic and the mags can easily be restored to 20 rounds if need be. I have put an Arch Angel stock on it, really pleased with it. My old eyes need a scope, but I can shoot it reasonably well at 100 yards with the steal open sights. Lots of trees here, probably don't need much more, but a variable scope with a low power of 2.5 would be great for the range as well and let me get out to 300 Metres and more. I've been stockpiling Nato 762X 51 brass ammo that's reloadable. For home defence if the sh*t hits the fan I also have hand guns and also plan to get a shot gun. Later on as I can afford it I will also get a bolt action 308 hunting rifle that is a lot lighter than the M300, although I'm not really bothered by it's weight as others seem to be.
Do you use the field road range or up the mountain?
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If I could only have 1 rifle, I would take my suppressed 8.5" 300BO... very capable under 150 yards. Running a solar powered Holosun green dot, and iron backups. I love your guys points of view, great video thanks!
I remember watching this video when it first came out because i was setting up Remington 700 ADL as a general purpose rifle. Watching this now is kind of scary :/
Pray tell, why scary?
There are lots of Lee-Enfields in the woods of Maine still!It's my go to deer rifle,#4 Mk1.As far as the supply chain goes Florida hurricanes are a great example.Where I live now,in the Tampa Bay area,2-3 days before a storm hits the shelves are bare.Obviously very few people are prepared for Hurricane Season,1-2 days before a storm there's little to no gasoline,propane,charcoal,ect.People start to behave badly in the lead up to a storm because they're stressed,they're unprepared,& they're being inconvenienced.Imagine how they'll behave if services,electricity,water,gas,groceries,ect are down for a week.Of course,I'll be at home with my generator,grilling a steak,enjoying a few cold ones,& watching Riflechair videos!
If I could only have one "Grab and Go" rifle , it would have to be my .357 Magnum lever action . Because it takes the same ammo as my sidearm , so I won't have to carry 2 different cal. ammo with me . And because I have already made up a grab and go reloading kit for it . Here is My portable reloading kit : m.ruclips.net/video/b3-rxaM-stQ/видео.html
I know you are talking rifles, but my most versatile firearm is a 12 gauge, single-shot, break open, shotgun.
Such shotguns will feed on any kind of shot or slug, from dove loads, to triple ought buckshot. Foster slugs can be used for big game at short range, and lead ball, in 72 caliber, converted to black powder. Another option is a rifled insert in a variety of calibers. I chose .45 Colt.
And if you have to go back to black powder, that too, can be done through one of these, ( but NOT pump or semi-auto shotguns).
Mine is one of the old New England Firearms, single-shots, but manufacturers include Harrington & Richardson, Stevens, and as of late, Henry.
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No rifle at all, a shotgun. Scoped mossberg 500 12 gauge, 24 inch barrel with all 3 chokes and a variety of ammo good to 100 yards in a pinch with slugs. Failing that i would grab my lever action Scoped Marlin 30-30 with peep through irons. reliable, proven, plenty of ammo, mid weight, and can take just about anything out to 200
Great conversation guys. One thing you said a home is ultimately indefensible. Plus hunting and generally moving a lot. Ammo will be limited to carry. A bolt or lever action makes more sense unless you have perfect fire discipline. Cheers.
I would want to use my 308 chilean mauser, or bring the sks. The 308 round is common and my 308 is fairly light. I would bring the sks because its a semi auto, with a 30 cal round.
Same here with the SKS, only diff on the .308 - HK91 w/ 10 loaded mags. lol
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I like 22 lr and 22mag idea because I know what they can do ...Long term cheap and light ammo...long term practical ..For me ...)))
If it was for a likely long term problem, get yourself a casting and pellet swage set up so you can melt lead and reuse .22 caliber pellets. Avoid shootouts like the plague because you would be at a disadvantage. That being said a Break barrel .22 pellet gun would get you food for years and a fire arm would require you have access to a store from time to time. Pellets can usually be recovered and recast and swaged.
Interesting stuff. I have, for years, dreamed of the "one rifle" but I have concluded that small game hunting negates the whole idea. At sometime you will need a .22 for small game. However, I would not want to defend the family with a .22, therefore, I need a larger weapon. I have a 8mm mauser in scout configuration with the long eye relief scope- very close to what you were talking about in the video. Open sights are great but as your age increases, eye sight decreases causing many of us to need optics. Anyway, very good thought inducing video.
.243 barreled AR 15?
You are right. One way or another there will be a compromise. An old Savage M24 .22LR/20ga can be made to work for hunting....but be woefully inadequate to do the job for self defense. And an AR is useless on quail.
Hi Richard. How are you and these gents doing ? You still have the FN? How is it shooting?
I sold that rifle to finance another project but that 98 always surprised me how well it shot while being so basic.
I live in California and right now it is November 22 and 80 degrees. This is los Angeles and squirrels about all over the place here, doves fill the trees, rabbit, jack rabbits are abundant in the hills, which are walking distance from my house. Best of all, large amounts of Tuna are being caught by sports fishermen out in the ocean right off our coast, not to mention the fruit stands all over in the spring time, and the year round gardens in people's back yards and apartment building front yards. Heck, a small river even runs right under UCLA and there is water in the Santa Monica mountains. Everyone talks about people killing and eating people in such places as los Angeles.. well all I see is food everywhere. And most of the Mexican people whom I grew up with raised rabbits and chickens in their back yards... they thrive in this climate.. So I don't know how chaotic it will be.. it shouldn't be that bad.. Isn't Jack Rabbit hunting season here in California year round? Not to mention you can see large deer on the hills around the portion of the 405 that connects the valley to Santa Monica and hollywood. And there are tons of rattlesnakes that come out in the summer, and they taste kind of like chicken. Food Everywhere!!
there is food everywhere while nobody is needing them for food. population of LA is 3.976 million. I guarantee there are not 3.976 million varmints running around, and if there are, that lasts a day with one per person. they would be non existent if people needed to eat them.
GTFO of southern ca. water would be the biggest problem.
Yeah, I'd start trekking north-east, cross the San Joaquin valley and move into the high sierras, plenty of water up there.
Logan Schlee There is on average 2 squirrels per acre in the forest, populations may be slightly higher in parksBUT, there is nowhere near enough wild game to feed large numbers of people in LA. The largest supply of meat is human with the ass cheeks being the most tender cuts.
mmmmmm rump roast
Taraus Raging Judge Magnum 454 Casull / 45 Colt / .410, with a 16" barrel and buttstock added to make it into a carbine rifle (with iron sights)!
Machine it to take moon clips for speed loading abilities.
It could shoot 454 Casull or 45 Colt with bullets varying between 135 to a 395 grains. I could load 454 Casull or 45 Colt shot shell loads. Plus .410s loaded with bird shot, buckshot, rock salt, rubber buck shot, Dragons Breath, Dragons Breath with buckshot, flechettes, nails, pebbles, marbles, sand, ground cayenne pepper, ground glass, etc...
I love how that Mauser looks!
I hunt with a Tikka T3 with a Bushnell scope in .308 for years. Prior to that, I used a Lee Enfield No.4 with the original full military stock and iron sights for decades. It put a lot of venison on the table when I was a younger man, it was replaced by the Tikka only because it was lighter. If the SHTF and I could only grab one rifle, I think it would be my No.4 with a box full of ammo with a couple stripper clips. I think my second choice would be an SKS only because I own one as well.
Bolt action 22 magnum. You can carry a million rounds and drop a deer at 200 yards with a headshot it's also whisper-quiet.
Model 2400 savage. 308 over 12 ga. one trigger, selector, folding rear sight nice survival unit.
JosepH LevInskI excellent choice
The convirus and business bankruptcy may bring this into reality what your video talks about
nomad terry We might not always be right but we usually research our subjects well. Too bad city folks think we’re stupid Hicks They might take us more seriously if it wasn’t for their ego.
The P.13 was a scoped rifle identical to the P.14 ( They both feature a mauser action(far more accurate than the Lee Enfield) although, only 5 shots as supposed to 10 !
"If you could only own one rifle, what would it be?"
Other people: AR15, AK47,(insert ridiculously oversized machine gun)
Me: *Small Magazine Lee Enfield Number 4 Mark 1*
An AR15 is both lighter and shorter than a No4, is also not a machine gun, and the ammunition is smaller and lighter which means you can carry much more of it, typically in 10-30 rnd magazines. It also separates easily into two components for potential stowage in a pack or case for staying lower profile, in a take down rifle style.
It's not a macho thing, an AR15 is genuinely a very good choice for this type of scenario, not to mention it's used by military and police all over the continent, making ammunition and spare parts that much more available. Also due to this availability the chances of you encountering someone else with an AR15 (or any other semi auto rifle) is high, which puts you at a distinct disadvantage if you need to defend yourself, and you just have your No4.
I would also like to point out that the AR's .223/5.56 round is a good compromise between hunting and self defense. It's small enough to not totally destroy small game with good shot placement vs a 30 cal bullet, yet still powerful enough to bring down deer and larger animals.
Your assertion that it's a just a ridiculously oversized machine gun, really is pure nonsense.
I didn't say The AR-15 or the AK47 were oversized machine guns.(note the comma separating the oversized machine gun from the previous two examples)
I was saying the most common answer to the question after the AR and AK platform rifles would be something over-the-top, typically a machine gun, more often than not a Minigun.
The joke is, that my answer seems so underpowered and simple compared to theirs, never did I say my choice was superior, in fact in a real survival scenario in which society had collapsed, I would probably choose an AR for the very same reasons you just listed, however you cannot for a second pretend the Lee Enfield is not a superb gun, it could more than stand up to a civilian AR-15 especially at range, if we were talking military versions with burst fire and full-auto capabilities, that would be different, but 303 is more than a match for 5.56 at 300 meters.
Not to mention the Lee Enfield is an old style rifle, it's specifically tailored for long range sharpshooting, I personally have hit my exact target at 200m with an SMLE, and while the AR-15 is accurate, many of the civilian market ones with smaller barrels just do not have the stability, or the accuracy to effectively stack up against a bolt action rifle at long range, and, despite being a bolt action, the SMLE has many characteristics that make it more suitable for closer range combat, for one it has a short pull action, making it much easier to cycle rounds in the heat of combat, additionally it can hold two five round stripper clips, twice that of most bolt action rifles, and equivalent to most civilian AR-15s abiding by local regulations.
Ok, fair enough then. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trashing the No4, in fact it's been one of my favourite rifles for many years, I own two of them.
At distance certainly the 303 will be a good match for an AR15, in closer self defense type scenarios the guy with the AR15 has a major advantage however. That's most likely where defensive situations will happen, close up and dirty. Also, in a SHTF situation, magazine capacity laws will go out the window, and 30 rounds in semi auto is a lot better than ten in a bolt action. The reload time is also drastically faster for the AR.
As for accuracy most civilian AR's use barrels of equal or greater quality as military issue ones if you buy milspec or better, and are often free floated to boot in the higher end rifles, like my Daniel Defense for instance. Certainly not an issue there. The 303 will still hit harder though.
So yes, the No4 is an excellent rifle and has an exemplary record and I'm a huge fan of it. For this scenario though, I will go AR15 for pure practicality reasons. It just makes more sense in my mind.
@@theCANaDiAN1987 I would counter a good AR10 , which is the proper comparison, is more than a match and is far superior to an Enfield of any make or year. If target competition models are cited, the AR10 excels handily. Lends itself to availability of ammo , accuracy, and ruggedness. And if chosen properly, commonality of prevailing parts and mags as well.
Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. !! My dad taught me that from an early age and I'm 68 now so... Great video guys and food for thought.
Noah was a prepper ... worked out for him.
But did he take more then one gun??????
Arguably, Samson, even though he sinned, died honoring God and took down more Philistines at his death than he did even with the jawbone of an ass. I'm all for an epic stand like that over running. To hell with running.
To The guy in the Red jumper with the mauser !
I agree the standard steel magazine for the Ruger Scout Rifle is a clunky rattling concept !
I love my 18 inch Stainless no flash hider Australian Ruger Scout Rifle !
I can easily carry more than enough .308 win in the ruger polymer mags to sustain me for a day or days without fear of running short before resupply from my home base camp whatever the case may be !
My best friend is LEE-ENFIELD crazy yes .303 brittish is a more than decent round It will kill just about everything with 2 legs or 4 legs " there is a gentleman from south Africa successfully for years for elephant's Killaminjaro bell !
But if I only have the choice of 1 rifle!
Then I choose my .308 Ruger Scout Standard iron peep sights I'm good to go !
Grab the vest grab the scout and I can carry over 100 rnds of reach out and touch you fmj or hollow points depending on the situation !
V2 POLY ruger mags fixed this yes. The 3 rounder is nice too with ability to top feed. As a southpaw, I feel blessed have this rifle. 18" ss
Ruger 10/22
Easy one. Ar-15. Insanely light weight, high capacity with fairly lightweight ammo. Throw in a 22lr conversion kit and a box of 500 22lr.
In America it is difficult to get 303 easily and an Enfield is way too heavy.
An AR can be used for hunting all size game and works well for defense. In America 223 and 556 is very common at every corner store.
You can also get an AR in any caliber you prefer if 556 isn't your thing. Or get an AR 10. Everything on them is also easy to service. You don't even need a gunsmith to change a barrel or anything on them.
Beard's are making a come back. gonna let my beard grow....Guys that only happens in the US. Why would I stock up on food and water in a shelter or a house. The first place to be raided will be your place, as soon as people discover that you have food......Canada
For a bolter the Enfield action is IMO, the very best ever made. That, and the Krag-Jorgensen. Smooth and quick. british soldiers drilled the shooting method called the Mad MInute, where in they equalled/surpassed the speed of the Garand in putting suppressive fire on the enemy. German soldiers were interviewed and said they surrendered to a platoon of British troops, only to find out it was a squad.
No Mauser I have ever fired is as smooth and friction-free. Plus, the Enfield is spring assisted in the bolt draw, which keeps the rifle closer to the target through the motion. Just beautifully designed and executed.
As an American, I like my O3's a lot but they are clunkers compared to a nicely maintained Enfield.
I love my winchester model 94 30-30, but if i could only take one rifle and go in SHTF, its the AK-47..
I'll stick with my Winchester .30-30. Rifle and ammo is easy to come by, and easier to tote around.
Pecker head?? That's the electrical connection on a motor.
Naw, I'm a DICK!!! Dedicated Infantry Communist Killer. Go Army!!
Jus' Nuts
Damn Right bud.
The AK47 would be a fine choice in my oponion. Its robust. Its mechanism is simple. It has ballistics equal to the 30-30 winchester, and is relatively light weight. My only concern with the AK47 is ammo availability when the world goes south. A polish Baryle is a robust AK rifle that fires a 556 NATO round. 556 nato will be everywhere because of the popularity of the AR15. From a ballistic stand point the M855 round fired from a 16 inch barrel delivers ballistic energy at 300 yards greater than a Federal 158 grain JHP fired from a 4 inch 357 magnum at the muzzle.
In a situation that we hope never comes, it would be hard to be an ak chambered in 556 nato.
rdsii64
So stock up.
I have a lot of "big game" and Milsap guns. But my go to rifle would be the Henry in .22 mag. Good small game. Fair for defense. Holds a lot of ammo and punches above it's weight class.
My AR-15 hands down.
Better keep in clean. If clean, you will swear by it. If fouled, you will swear at it! And if you're wondering, I do have experience with that style weapon. Only it was a M16A2.
Now, you want a truly reliable weapon? M2 .50 cal Browning. My weapon of choice! Be all you can be!
John Davis who says I don't.lol
You can carry as many mags as you like gents. I like your presentation and respect your perspectives, but we're definitely different animals when it comes to firepower.
Covering fire from us will be limited.
@@Riflechair more like non-existant Red Green
@@landrecce We are looking at what a rifle needs to do FOR US. You obviously believe that you need a GTW rifle. For us it comed down to hunting and basic security.
If there is NO rule of law then an AR15. Since we are a family I'd probably say each person might have something different.
Rob Stewart and a side arm for everyone 😀
My 20 ga. pump has a 7 round mag. With one 00 buckshot in the chamber and 7 in the tube anything within 50 yards is in deep doodoo if they are a threat. With slugs it is good out to 200 yds. That's good enough. I read some criticism of lever guns being "slow" to reload. Lever guns can be continually reloaded. As for ammo the 7.62x39 is still the most available ammo globally. The 30-30 Win. Is number 2. Win Model 94s and Marlin 336s are literally everywhere. I do love my Savage-Stevens Mark 4 but still if I had to grab one weapon and head to the forest it would be my 870 20 ga. pump and a couple of big bags of ammo. I am a ling time slug and buckshot hunter. My shotgun "bag" has a sleeve with a rifled barrel. Sabots are tack drivers out beyond 250 yds. I like rifles but my 20 ga. Is plenty. At my age shooting beyond 150 yds just isn't practical and..... For home defense my "shockwave 20 ga." Is more than enough. I am certain it will pointed out that a 12 ga is a better choice because is easier to find.
Sounds like you want a Steyr Scout.
I’ve just watched this vid. to 6mins. 20, and the old guy on the left looks a lot like me! (I’m an Australian) , his rifle is a LOT like one of mine too. I shoot an FN 30-06, similar raised comb etc. 4x Pecar, 150 gr. Hornady spire points. Great and reliable rifle for me for nearly 40 years. Amazing to me that two men on different continents could arrive at such similar conclusions.