You can make it much easier where you can stay sitting in the same seating position. Since the boom is solid you can run the sail sheets from one hull anchor point ( front) to the boom pulley and then go to the other hull anchor point ( rear) and pass the sheet under the rail to the seating position. (Basically, this system already exists on the mainmast). With this arrangement, both the sail and the mast can travel on their respective rail without fouling any sheets when their respective looped rope arrangement is activated from the seating position. Hence from the seating position, one can handle the sheets, the sail loop, and the mast loop and one could arrange for a front and rear rudder working together which would make it safer and easier to handle in rougher seas for the lone sailor.
I do enjoy the constant development of this proa. Among others, the concept of the flying lower sheets block seems a very interesting option, because it allows to resign from two sheets if a yard rail is applied. Wondering when/if Reto will follow this solution ;)
Hallo, no I don't have proper drawings only the rough measurements from the video. There are free drawings for a proa series google "P5 Proa". Reto from the channel "Segelreto" has many good videos of his p5 on youtube. I have improved the rig since the video. Look at "shunting with a traveler rail 2021" Last winter I improved it further and am now done with the development. In a few weeks I'll upload a video of the final rig which would also be suitable for larger boats.
Thank you for share this great boat again. I think about proa for more than 3 years)) and i also had idea about shunting with rail guide, but i planned to organise shunting from the middle of deck, using blocks and А-shape mast. I would ask you, how you rig works when wind is not stable, and it changes direction often?
Hallo, I have also now changed the system so that I can operate everything from the middle. I just have to pull one rope to shunten the rigg. And the mast does not need to be moved anymore. This all works very simply now. I will make a video of it soon. I also started with a frame but had to realize that it has very big advantages if you can trim the mast in the transverse direction. As I described it in my video. "Increase of speed against the wind by 100%" But then you have to install stays and adjustable shroud. To have the rigg on all courses in a safe position.
Not a fan of the crab claw sail...gibbons rig lateen...but I need to ask why the tracked mast...why not stepped at half length of the boat & lower on the yard to just pivot the mast...sail also seems a very heavy cloth...cheers from nz
Hallo Errol, I do not know if I understood your question correctly. I stay for now with crab claw sail because it is the traditionalI sail for proas. I will continue to optimise it for my boat. But I also see the gibbons rig as the best modern option. The sailcloth seems havey because the design is paintet on. And I dont want to make big changes on Klaus Proa. If I try out something new I will do this at my one over the next years. Best regards from Flensburg
@@fjordproa6510 traditional crabclaw masts attach also at mid point of the yard/spar & step at hull midway...traditionally...the yard spar is double the length of the mast...particularly with your track traveler as the yard is swapped ends, as the yard passes the mast they support each other through shunts...your rig just looks way too heavy for the size of your sail, & the sail looks too small for a 6mtr...PS Lateen is a truely traditional pacific rig as is the square sail
Hello, because I and everyone else knews it under this name and it is also mentioned in the literature which, of course, is older. But one never stops learning. As long as it sails as always. Regards.
Островитянам Белый Человек приказал забыть всё их дикарское прошлое и принять Белое Цивилизованное. Если б Белые не вмешивались в жизнь, то аборигены продолжили бы развивать свое!
That is a really well though out proa, one of the best i have seen.
You can make it much easier where you can stay sitting in the same seating position.
Since the boom is solid you can run the sail sheets from one hull anchor point ( front) to the boom pulley and then go to the other hull anchor point ( rear) and pass the sheet under the rail to the seating position. (Basically, this system already exists on the mainmast). With this arrangement, both the sail and the mast can travel on their respective rail without fouling any sheets when their respective looped rope arrangement is activated from the seating position. Hence from the seating position, one can handle the sheets, the sail loop, and the mast loop and one could arrange for a front and rear rudder working together which would make it safer and easier to handle in rougher seas for the lone sailor.
I do enjoy the constant development of this proa.
Among others, the concept of the flying lower sheets block seems a very interesting option, because it allows to resign from two sheets if a yard rail is applied.
Wondering when/if Reto will follow this solution ;)
Schaut superlustig aus. Neid pur.
Tolle Arbeit. Grüße aus sonnigem Wien, Scott
Hi, Lars! Habe dieses Video erst jetzt entdeckt. Super boot! Servus, Reto
Much more elegant. Just a matter of getting the muscle memory for fluid shunting.
The mast and sail or on a rail, fascinating.
Are there plans for this beautiful boat? The rigging is ingenious. Thank you for posting
Hallo, no I don't have proper drawings only the rough measurements from the video.
There are free drawings for a proa series
google "P5 Proa".
Reto from the channel "Segelreto" has many good videos of his p5 on youtube.
I have improved the rig since the video. Look at "shunting with a traveler rail 2021"
Last winter I improved it further and am now done with the development.
In a few weeks I'll upload a video of the final rig which would also be suitable for larger boats.
Thank you for share this great boat again. I think about proa for more than 3 years)) and i also had idea about shunting with rail guide, but i planned to organise shunting from the middle of deck, using blocks and А-shape mast. I would ask you, how you rig works when wind is not stable, and it changes direction often?
Hallo,
I have also now changed the system so that I can operate everything from the middle.
I just have to pull one rope to shunten the rigg.
And the mast does not need to be moved anymore.
This all works very simply now.
I will make a video of it soon.
I also started with a frame but had to realize that it has very big advantages if you can trim the mast in the transverse direction.
As I described it in my video. "Increase of speed against the wind by 100%"
But then you have to install stays and adjustable shroud.
To have the rigg on all courses in a safe position.
@@fjordproa6510 thank you for answer, i will wait your new video))
Расскажите как устроен руль. Руля не видно на видео - как проа управляется по курсу? Спасибо
Not a fan of the crab claw sail...gibbons rig lateen...but I need to ask why the tracked mast...why not stepped at half length of the boat & lower on the yard to just pivot the mast...sail also seems a very heavy cloth...cheers from nz
Hallo Errol,
I do not know if I understood your question correctly.
I stay for now with crab claw sail because it is the traditionalI sail for proas. I will continue to optimise it for my boat.
But I also see the gibbons rig as the best modern option.
The sailcloth seems havey because the design is paintet on.
And I dont want to make big changes on Klaus Proa.
If I try out something new I will do this at my one over the next years.
Best regards from Flensburg
@@fjordproa6510 traditional crabclaw masts attach also at mid point of the yard/spar & step at hull midway...traditionally...the yard spar is double the length of the mast...particularly with your track traveler as the yard is swapped ends, as the yard passes the mast they support each other through shunts...your rig just looks way too heavy for the size of your sail, & the sail looks too small for a 6mtr...PS Lateen is a truely traditional pacific rig as is the square sail
The interest is cute! Won’t buy a proa from Northern Europe…!promise😊
Why not call it Kiribati instead of Gilbert Islands?
Hello,
because I and everyone else knews it under this name
and it is also mentioned in the literature which, of course, is older.
But one never stops learning.
As long as it sails as always.
Regards.
@fjordproa6510 Fair enough. The country only gained independence in 1979. Nice Proa, by the way.
Where’s the other guy?
If you mean Klaus he is 80+ years old now and retired from sailing.
He's doing well.
But he gave me the proa to continue the project.
Interesting but I'm not a fan of moving the rigging to change course. Even the Islanders have gotten away from this.
Островитянам Белый Человек приказал забыть всё их дикарское прошлое и принять Белое Цивилизованное. Если б Белые не вмешивались в жизнь, то аборигены продолжили бы развивать свое!
Depends a lot on the island. I’ve heard it’s still a thing in Micronesia (particularly the Marshall Islands)
Такая хрень!