Idk, two kids who aren’t sober sailing in the middle of the night going missing, while it was tragic, nothing to me sticks out as pointing to foul play
Schizophrenia typically develops between the ages of 18-25, and a person who is seemingly completely normal will suddenly be extremely paranoid, delusional, and have a different personality. I wonder how many of these stories can be explained by understood mental health diagnoses rather than scary or creepy reasons.
True, I think this must be considered for a lot of missing person cases and seemingly mysterious deaths. But the fact that schizophrenia or other serious mental illnesses can hit you out of seemingly nowhere at anytime is a horrifying reality within itself.
I thought that was the ages for men only. Women are later in life, generally in their 30s. However I’m not an expert, that is just what I read years ago.
Patricia was very likely suicidal. Her making a therapist appointment doesn't mean anything... There are people who will go grocery shopping, make a whole meal plan for the week, and then do it. It's often an impulsive moment of feeling hopeless. Very, very sad. She probably was overthinking her life, feeling bad about it, decided fuck it and tried to get in an accident, and then either got head trauma or was in such shock that she left and abandoned her life instead.
Yeah, they know she drowned and that they didn't want to be held for a crime in Central America. I'd have done the same thing. Then again, I'd never go to Central America.
@@rcdune7132 Yep. Most likely. They are definately hiding something big. If the story was as simple as a drowning from strong currents, those people would not be behaving in such a suspicious manner. Doesn't take an IQ over that of a monkey to figure this much out. Also on the "Sofia" case, there is a reason why the authorities did not pursue analyzing the fingerprints all over the boat (because they weren't human).
After watching the detailed video some months ago, I emailed the Ng family that the group must have gone on an Ayahuasca retreat. These types of retreats are very popular now and the drug may have influenced Nancy to lose it for a moment and go for a swim. So I think that part of it is true. It also explains why the group hightailed it out of Guatemala immediately. If they signed waivers, they're not allowed to speak on it.
For the Katelyn Lauder case, that REALLY sounds like untreated schizophrenia. My aunt was perfectly functioning, happy, brilliant English professor at Texas A&M for 15 years and then one day she accused the staff of placing a lookalike of her dead sister in the room across from her to spy on her. That was the first incident that indicated she was having some kind of mental health situation. She refuses to get treatment and to this day, she hears things that no one said by people who aren't there. She has full conversations with herself. She fully believes the hallucinations and her kids, my 1st cousins, refuse to get her any kind of help or treatment. My biggest fear is something like the Lauder case happening to my aunt. Schizophrenia is a horrible, horrible, heartbreaking affliction.
I was dating some one who I thought I would spend the rest of my life with. I loved him. One day he went missing for a full day which was completely unlike him. His sister did not know where he was and neither did I. The next day he called and told me he went to a party with uber and left his phone in his car. And I knew that was a lie. Over the next few weeks it became clear something was wrong. And then he broke it to me that he has schizophrenia where he sees things and he sees people talking to him. And he talks back to them and doesn't realise that they are just illusions. His father has the same thing. My heart broke when he said I would safer away from him. And he didn't want to continue the relationship because he was scared of what he may do when with me. And said I didn't deserve that. I'm still heart broken to this day. But I know that schizophrenia is a terrible thing to deal with. Especially when untreated like he was. Where ever he is now, I hope he's OK.
There's absolutely zero doubt in my mind that it was a case of undiagnosed and untreated schizophrenia. I've known two people who suffer from paranoid schizophrenia within my life; one is my best friend to this day and she's a sweetheart and is excellent at rationalising her paranoid delusions. The other was an ex-friend whom I'm glad to no longer be associated with, as he was a paranoid schizophrenic, whom also refused to take his meds, smoked weed and was a raging narcissist to boot. Any time that I'd try to gently explain that the TV wasn't talking to him or whatever nonsense he believed, he would become angry and abusive in response. Anywho, yeah; Katelyn Lauder was 100% suffering from paranoid schizophrenia and died from misadventure. The conspiracy theories surrounding her death are as absurd as... well, a paranoid schizophrenic's delusions.
@@PatD-3877 Yes, her sanity. She was like a sister to me. Now, she's completely untethered from reality. I want my aunt back. I begged my cousin to petition the court for power of attorney in order to force her to get treatment. I did the research to see what Texas law requires in a situation like this, I told them step by step what to do and they've done nothing. Plus she lives all alone here in Houston while her kids all live in Corpus Christi.
The Kayelynn story is disturbingly close to that of a good friend of mine. A bit quirky previously, he suddenly came to me one day saying that he was worried that various organizations were trailing him due to his 'revolutionary' views and wondered if any of them had contacted me about him. Two days later he lit himself on fire and jumped off a 40meter bridge. In that kind of Paranoid Schizophrenic state I can easily see her walking down the shallow parts of the river to "avoid capture/detection"
I’m so sorry that happened to your friend, mental illness is so scary sometimes. But I agree with you, her story sounds like a tragic accident due to mental illness. Walking on the water like that, even if it’s not too cold out, can easily lead to hypothermia, numbness in the limbs, and collapse. Which can of course lead to death. Very sad 😔
@@empire0 I will give you the benefit of the doubt here, and that didn't read between the lines well. If you are seriously trolling my friends s*&cide.................... no words.
Set himself on fire AND jumped off a bridge? Yeah sure. Did he shoot himself on the way down too after swallowing a bottle of pills? Don't let me stop you at two suicide methods.
On Kayelyn Louder, I lived with a schizophrenic once who would hear voices outside and believed someone was going to break in and get him. He came to my door late at night more than once, genuinely terrified. It would take time and patience to convince him that what he was hearing was not real. If I wanted to go outside to show him no one is there he'd beg me not to go outside. I would go out anyway and walk around the house, opening the side gate and everything. I'd be telling him there's nobody out here at regular intervals. Then I'd go back in and assure him that what there was no one out there and what he was experiencing was not real. I reasoned with him until he calmed down. You need to understand this is not someone who's merely imagining things, they're having (in the case of my friend) auditory hallucinations and to them its completely real. One problem for him was that, even knowing he had a mental illness, the things he experienced were things you don't want to be wrong about. What if this time there really is someone trying to break in and you're ignoring it because you're reasoning with yourself that this is your schizophrenia? If hallucinations are not wildly out of touch with reality, there is that uncertainty. I don't know what happened to Kayelyn but wandering around outside in the rain in her state without someone who could help her was a terrible situation and the outcome was a terrible tragedy for her and her family. 😢
I bet a young guy who cut his ear off and was ready to do the other when his parents caught him just before he was about do to do his other ear , the voices told him to do it he said . i met him visiting a friend in a mental ward , so many had a sad story that jacked their life up and gave them mental illness .
Katelyn’s twin brother, Colton had many paranoid incidents that were made worse by drugs. He has since passed away. Many people aren’t diagnosed with schizophrenia until they’re in their late 20’s and older. It’s so heartbreaking for her family.
I was getting ready to say she may have been schizophrenic it makes a lot of sense because of how confusing her roommate sounded and how confusing her disappearance is
As someone who has experienced months long psychosis, Kayelynn's story seems pretty similar to what I experienced. It is terrifying and everything feels 100% real. You never get a break from the delusions, it was the most awful thing I have ever lived through. It also made me extremely suicidal.
I had the same thing happen. I got very suicidal because it was so scary and stressful. I would also agree it was the worst thing I have ever been through. Thankfully it was temporary for me and it sounds like that was the case for you also. I'm glad we both made it.
Idk but I feel like the friends done something . Maybe some went wrong , or a mistake was made and that's why they killed her. But I don't understand the stupidity of the police. And also why were all friends not interrogated by the police why only Cristina. Also if it's true that Cristina saw her not coming back from the underwater she must have saw the moment she drowned. There's no way she wasn't trying to get out from the water ... she couldn't just sink like a rock. Also waiting 24 hours to raport her missing even if Cristina saw her not coming back from the water . That dosen t make any sense at all .
I would have to agree I’m quite fond of the sound of his voice. It’s soothing to me. Plus the fact that I don’t have to worry about excess 🐂 💩 on this channel. Kudos!
The kayak incident of 'she hopped off her boat and that's how she died' makes zero sense. If that were the case, all of them would have been screaming for help once they got back to land, and would've called the cops immediately. Innocent people sound the alarm asap, guilty people keep their mouths shut and flee.
Not always man. Ive been there before, you keep your mouth shut because the cops will railroad anyone that even begins to open their mouth. The cops arent in it to solve crimes, but to clear a case fast as they can no matter who gets arrested
Witnessing these last footage videos of people that went missing completely in a very unknown way is truly a very terrifying experience, what makes it even more scarier is sometimes the people themselves in these footages act really eerie.
I will say, about Patricia scheduling a therapist before a potential attempt. Before my first attempt I was at my therapists two days before. There's not really a lot of logic that goes into things like that. You just suddenly can't do it anymore, some people act entirely fine for a week leading up to trying to take their life- others have sudden impulses and just do it on a whim following a bad bout of depression. Her scheduling an appointment honestly makes sense even if she tried to take her life shortly after- sometimes you try hard to maintain normalcy and just realise minutes after that you can't.
Yeah when I was in therapy I felt too ashamed and scared to tell them I had ideation. I would downplay it, afraid they might put me in a closed institution or that they would disclose everything to my parents, but I certainly had thoughts that were dangerous for my own safety.
With the Patricia story there's a high chance she was a mental breakdown and the accident throw her over the edge and now she's basically either forgotten who she was all together or is extremely paranoid and delusional right now... oddly enough it happens a lot.
I'm responding to myself rather than editing schizophrenia can randomly pop up without warning around the mid-twenties to later in life. No signs beforehand. 1 minute the person's okay and then they're in full swing delusions.
Second last one: "Doesn't have a history of mental health issues" doesn't mean she doesn't have them, and clearly she did. The "family and friends say she was fine and normal" thing tends to not be overly reliable for many cases. Of course family and friends will say that; either the person who went crazy masks a lot, or due to simple bias the family and friends don't notice anything wrong.
Coulda been a serious drug problem also.... cocaine, Crack and especially meth can really mess a persons brain up... I've seen what all of those can do to a seemingly normal person and it's both sad and frightening
Due to the stigma attached to mental health problems, families, and friends might deny the existence of a problem, fearing the persons embarrassment once they're found Also they might feel like people/cops might be less sympathetic. Same also for being a drug user.
Kayelyn was definitely experiencing psychosis. people don't realize that you don't necessarily have to have a history of mental illness to experience psychosis. additionally, schizophrenia and other illnesses related to psychosis, hallucinations, and delusions don't often show symptoms until later in life. mine was diagnosed in my early 20s and I had no symptoms in childhood or even as a teenager. so not having a psychiatric history doesn't mean they can't still develop a mental health condition later in life.
@penelopes.9696 You’re either trolling or ridiculously stupid. Why no cooperate and doing everything you possibly can to A. Help find your missing friend and B. To help her family to get some closure. You’re insinuating that everybody that was present was so rattled up that they all shut down? Your comment almost angers me.
It's possible that Patricia witnessed it and felt really guilty about not doing anything to save Nancy in the moment. Could be true of the others as well if they saw it,
About Kayelin: that she was "a bit depressed" in the months before could have been the prodromal phase to a full blown paranoid schizophrenia. That can be similar to a mild depressive episode. Also most patients have their first onset of schizophrenia in their early twenties, so this fits really well. My guess is she was starting to have a psychosis, ran away afraid and sadly had an accident.
I think everything about the death of Nancy is true, except where she gets out of her kayak. It still seems accidental but the group has more to do with it then they’re letting on. I can see Christine being playful and poking Nancy with her paddle not really thinking about the fact she didn’t have a life jacket, and not knowing about how dangerous the currents in the lake were. Nancy *actually* capsizes and it all gets out of control from there. People underestimate nature and it’s very easy for a regular excursion to turn deadly if you’re not prepared.
How are these people not being investigated further?? Even if it were by accident, it should be known what happened to her. Her family is owed that much. For the whole group to be acting shady is also kinda weird. How could 8 other people be completely silent about it? The guy who organized the thing saying cagey stuff to the family too... what happened to you Nancy?! Lol
I can imagine after it happens Christine encounters the rest of the group in a panic and repeatedly says it was an accident. That explains why they would all be nervous. In my opinion still unjust as Christine will probably never reveal the truth.
@@DPSFSU "people not being investigated further" The problem is there are no other witnesses, CCTV or physical evidence. If everyone sticks to the story, the cops have no leverage
Nancy jumped off to go for a swim?!? Nancy had been the year before with the same trainer and knew exactly how hard it is to get back on the kayak from in the water......100% Nancy fell off and drowned because her arms were too fatigued to keep her head above water, 10:43 looks like nobody is wearing a life jacket. It's a shame because they save lives, you can just float there.
@@HolytoasterThe fact her body wasn't found likely means she somehow ended up in the water and drowning, not falling through a floor or having something fall on her. Also, that's pretty callous of you. Idk if you have children or plan too, but no matter "how good" you raise them, kids and young adults will always do stuff like this. I hope it doesn't happen to them but if it does, I hope you aren't treated the same way you've treated her and her family.
@@governmentghost01I don't understand how parenting has anything to do with this. They're right, it was a very irresponsible thing to do, they didn't deserve it, of course, no one does. However, you're taking a huge risk by deciding to cross a no-trespassing zone (that's clearly labeled that way for a reason). They didn't “treat her or her family” any sort of way either. Yes, the statement was a bit harsh, but at the end of the day it’s true
@@Kay-sc8fiFair point, though I do appreciate someone for once admitting that a person will do what they want even if they were raised right. I sometimes watch police chest cam footage and the comment section is always a parade of people saying, “This is what happens when a child is never told ‘no.’” Like, dude, it’s never that simple.
I believe Katelyn Louder was most likely having a psychotic break. When she says that “the people” weren’t saying anything just looking at her, a chill ran down my spine. This is classic early visual hallucinations like one would experience with the first psychotic manifestation of schizophrenia, schizo affective disorder, and even bi polar disorder with psychotic features. Not only do I know this because of my education and profession (I’m a licensed clinical social worker), but also because someone I love very much has schizophrenia and her early hallucinations were nearly identical. She also called 911, and stated the “people” breaking in weren’t answering her. But instead of stealing belongings, she said they were there to steal her organs (yes, it was horrifying and scary for her, and for all of us who love her). Katelyn’s description of what she’s experiencing, coupled with her age, and stress level (when a person with a severe mental illness/disorder has their first psychotic break, it almost always occurs between ages 18-27, and when a huge stressor occurs; and they do not get well again without medication), truly lean toward mental illness as the culprit. The phone call, the paranoia, her disappearance, the hallucinations, and her continuing disorganized thoughts and unusual actions, a kind of spiraling deeper and deeper into psychosis, is heartbreaking and so, so tragic. My heart breaks for her, and for all people who endure and fight these insidious illnesses. And the families and loved ones who must endure right along with them. It’s truly a cruelty beyond what those untouched by mental illness will likely ever experience.
Kayelyn sounds like a case of a schizo-affected illness. Anyone is susceptible to mental disorders like bipolar disorder and the reason for her being let go from her teaching position might give more clues. Even though schizophrenia typically shows up in the early 20's, can still happen later ... also, it's possible she ended up where she did in the river because she went there herself and was hiding from whoever she thought was following her. The fear might have been so great that she thought she had no choice but to stay there and ended up passing out from exhaustion and drowning. If someone has no history of mental illness, it's likely they and the people around them would not recognize it when it starts to happen. She should have been evaluated right after she made that 911 call considering there was no evidence to support what she said she saw.
Came here to say what you say far better than I could here. I have a relative who has schizophrenia, and they have auditory hallucinations when their medicine is no longer doing the job. Many people have visual hallucinations with their mental illnesses. Also, the water temperature in late September is likely pretty chilly. At night, parts of Utah drop to the 40's (according to newspaper articles, she lived in Utah). Combine this with a soaking wet t-shirt and shorts, even if she climbed out, she could very well have succumbed to hypothermia. I feel terrible for her family, but I think this is just a very tragic chain of events brought about by her sudden symptoms.
I do wonder, if she thought she was being followed why’d she leave her dog? it’s possible she could’ve been in a hurry, but she seemed to really care about him
@@edenisburning yeah and I’m also 22 myself and me and my friends also did some stupid shit while under the influence, so yeah that is the best explanation
@@salsaproductions5859 This would explain a lot. It explains the upside down kajak and the drowned body of the guy. Given that it was night, and they seem to be under the influence, all of this add together to make this theory of the tipping kajak plausible. Espescially when they were without vests.
You can barely catch me in the car at night let alone on a damn boat I don’t care if captain Jack sparrow is driving. No sir you’ll have to wait till the sun comes up.
I got a theory on 1st story… don’t go paddling around in a john boat at 2am ANYWHERE without a life jacket, personal protection, and more personal protection! Edit: thanks for the comments, don’t get this kind of response much, funny how that affects the insecurity of some dopamine dopes 🫤 having kids this age I worry a little but try to keep them prepared and self aware, RIP to the victims in these incidents and God bless your parents and families I can’t imagine what you have endured and maybe this will nudge someone to take up self defense with their children or just to say something that we need to while we can
Patricia Meehan has always been the most fascinating disappearing person case to me. I remember seeing the unsolved mysteries episode of it as a kid. For somebody to just walk away and climb over a fence after an accident like that is just mind-blowing. Crazy knowing also that she grew up around Crafton/Northside in Pittsburgh (my hometown).
My ex girlfriend has a psychotic break all of a sudden. She was completely normal one day and the next morning she woke me up for work and said the TV was talking to her all night. She also said there was writing on the walls and windows when there wasn't! She was put in a psych ward for 6 days and released. She told me while she was in there that she thought everyone was scheming against her and told me when she talked to me on the phone that she didn't think it was really me. It broke my heart to see someone I love have a break with reality like that. They put her on medicine but she only took it for one month and quit. We broke up a year after she had her break after being together for 8 years.
It makes you realise just how fine the line is between our conscious and subconscious selves is. It’s like dreaming, or having a nightmare, but while being fully awake, but not awake to reality. I realised that while I stayed with my sister at the hospital when she had a psychotic break. I’m a prolific dreamer, and it made me realise how nuts it would be in the world in our dreaming state instead of tucked up in bed asleep.
@@armyvet8279 one of the things I find fascinating is how similar the experience is between those who experience a psychotic break or schizophrenic episode. The talking tv, the writing on walks and windows, the voices suggesting that people are plotting against them, that they are in danger and everyone is the enemy. It’s a strange mental state to be in, but there’s to be some commonality in the symptoms. And yes, it is rough seeing someone you love in that state.
Despite kayelyn not having a history of mental illness, mental illnesses such as schizophrenia can develop much later in life and into adulthood. My brother didn't develop it until his late 30s.
Sorry to hear your brothers situation. It’s upsetting the authorities didn’t recognize during Kaylins 911 call that she needed help ASAP. Instead they just labeled her as “mentally ill” and did nothing else. Plz watch over your brother closely we shouldn’t be losing ppl this way they can be saved before the situation gets to the point of no return.
@@TheD4RT a “targeted individual” is “gangstalked”. Gangstalkers use “Voice to Skull” (V2K) and Remote Neural Monitoring (RNM) to surveillance targeted individuals. The technology uses a form of synthetic telepathy that allows Gangstalkers and targets to communicate. The goal of a gangstalker is to commit a targeted individual into a psych ward, incarcerated, suicide, violence, and/or homelessness. I’m only bringing this up because you mentioned your brother developed signs/symptoms of schizophrenia in his 30s, which is very uncommon.
@@mariecolette170 Absolutely a shame how the authorities handled her situation! I appreciate you though! Thankfully in my brother's case he was able to get great help and has been able to manage his illness and leads a great life with a wife and two kids :)
So, seeing someone drown isn't traumatic enough in your opinion? What is enough? A cryptid? Fuckin Lockness? I'd believe a fresh water reef shark got tidal waved into the lake and ate her before I believe Mermaids did. 😂 Too much tin foil hat shit.
The family is insane and accuses everyone at the retreat of murder and destroyed one woman's life. Crazy websleuthers even threatened to unalive her and the family just says "who cares, we want information". The woman drowned, those things happened.
Swimming in open deep water that's not totally calm is way more dangerous than people realize. Only strong swimmers would be able to survive. She probably immediately started panicking when she saw she lost her kayak and not even swimming just trying to tread water. Very easy to drown.
Just found your channel yesterday and been binging one after another. No unnecessarily long intros, no lengthy outros either. Just straight to the point. Love it.
Kayelyn. Paranoid schizophrenia. If you work with people with this condition you can recognise the signs. Barefoot. Talking to self. Hand gestures. And imagining things that are not real
Missing people cases always intrigue and scare me the most. Just the fact that we may never know what happened to them and how their final moments played out. I'll never stop thinking of possibilities that could've happened to them
I've heard of Kayelyn's case before. Even if someone doesn't have a history of mental illness or a prior diagnosis, enough stress and trauma can trigger a psychotic episode. I've had one before, and have even had the auditory hallucination where I thought people were talking in my house when no one else was home. I heard footsteps like someone was walking around upstairs but there was no one. I was more aware of what was happening to me, but it is still a scary thing to experience. Thankfully I did not have any serious visual hallucinations, but they are possible. The human brain can sometimes only handle so much before things go a bit haywire in there, and it happens more often than people realize. When you are in such a state, it is so hard to think logically and you can get very paranoid. The fact that her parents refuse to accept that explanation when there is evidence she was going through something just goes to show how little people understand mental health.
Me too, the stigma is insane. I don’t even have schizophrenia or anything, but when I lived in a very abusive stressful environment I swore I could hear fights and escalations of violence when I’d be alone. I’d go downstairs fearful, to find nobody arguing, sometimes people even laughing (kinda like katelynns first 911 call mistaking the wedding reception for a fight) and I would be described very similarly as her resilient, going through a lot but stable. But appearances are deceiving and even our own minds trick us.
As a person who survived a suicide attempt, I believe that Patricia took her own life. Leading up to my attempt I would make commitments with family and friends so that I had something to live for during the week. While I obviously can’t speak for everyone, I think that driving so far to see a new therapist and move back in with her parents caused Patricia extra stress, and driving alone in the night put her even more on edge. Sometimes it only takes one intrusive thought to push someone over the edge.
Why would people think the "sex trafficker" scenarios? Honestly if I am out sailing and I come across a young lady marooned alone on a rock/island/lighthouse etc. The last thing I'd be thinking is "Let's rescue her and sell her to sex traffickers?" Who even knows S.Ts?
The only thing I could think of is that the kayak belonged to somebody else, out for rental, something like that. They sometimes wouldnt bother analyzing prints if they expect to find tens of hundreds. Or if the prints were incomplete and not good enough quality to analyze in the first place
I live in Connecticut and the disappearance of Sophia is not considered a mystery. They were out doing dumb shit, after getting high, in a boat not meant for this. They drifted off, drowned, and the little boat, more like a dinghy, washed up on LI Spund. His body was recovered; hers was not. There are many things that can become of a dead body in the open seas. I could write you a list, but you can use your imagination. They were just kids, and it’s really, really sad and a tragic loss, but boating drunk is even more dangerous than driving drunk, and EVERY KID in a costal community is made aware of this by the time he/she is in third grade. Plus, it’s kinda common sense. The entire state mourn Sophia and Spence’s loss, but few consider this a mystery. Thanks for covering this sad event.
You don’t have to have a history of mental illness to have your first psychotic break. She was right around the age when schizophrenia first presents itself in women. People try to rationalize the state of mind she was in which doesn’t work because she was behaving extremely paranoid and irrational. No one really knows what triggers the onset of schizophrenia. Whether it’s genetics, and emotionally trying time, a traumatic upbringing, brain chemistry.
26:02 According to psychology, for someone to develop a psychotic episode there needs to be 3 criteria present in their psyche. 1. a genetic predisposition toward psychosis or lack of care during their early childhood (0-5y/o) (Melanie Klein, Margaret Mahler) 2. a major traumatic event during their childhood-early puberty 3. a trigger we don't fully know if she had a predisposition, but she had a traumatic event, and she had a trigger for the episode to happen, one can go years, even decades without presenting symptoms, but if you have this criteria you definitely can go into a psychotic episode and develop schizophrenia, she needed help. (source: 6th semester majoring in psychology)
For the car accident case, my best bet is that she hit her head and something happened when the crash did, that caused her some type of memory loss or confusion or disorientation. She's probably lost in the woods somewhere.
@iGoldenBen doesn't change anything. I just didn't state the obvious that "lost in the woods" means sadly she's dead. I was just trying to be tactiful.
A trifle confused - Nancy Ng - they went home eight hours after the excursion. But they called the Guatemalan police 'immediately?' Or not until 24 later? So they called them from back in the US?
That stood out to me as shady. If they were not guilty they would have gone to the locals for help, not leave immediately then call the police. Granted, the local police would have held them for questioning, but usually when people are innocent they want to get help right away.
Maybe they jokingly pushed her off the kayak or something and it ended up killing her. Because obviously if she had fallen off herself or she was taken by a croc or something they would immediately get help, and why did they all look shaken up if only one of them witnessed her “going for a swim”
@@koalaplays8855 The details that were highlighted in Christina's story are interesting, and I'm not sure if it's her actual story or this channel's retelling of it. Stuff like, 'She suddenly hopped off her kayak and went to swim', then shortly after 'I warned her it was 1000 feet deep and doing that would be dangerous'. Those are the details that Christina felt apparent to make clear in her story, stuff like knowing the lake is 1000 feet deep where they are, and that she's a good person who would warn someone if it was dangerous. Personally? I think many of the details are correct in her story. They were probably out there alone, the water was probably rough and choppy. I don't think either of these women were very skilled in a kayak, and I'd wager something might have happened where Christina's kayak collided with Nancy's, sending Nancy into the water. I'd wager neither of them had much control, and Christina was unable to save Nancy, probably watching her slip right under the currents as she herself got pushed away. Her story where she goes to track down the boat to bring it back makes zero sense at all. You hand that person a paddle if that's all you have. I don't think it was nefarious, but I do think she was unable to do it for some reason. For the rest? I imagine it has to do a lot with legal issues and being held criminally liable. Christina probably did come back as fast as she could, but lord only knows how long that took. She probably told everyone exactly what happened. And then one of the retreat directors probably made the case that none of them wanted to end up in a Guatemalan prison, ultimately believing he would be on the hook for safety regulations he failed to enforce. I don't suspect any foul play on the part of her death, but I do suspect a bunch of moral cowards who chose what seemed like saving their own ass over giving this young womans family closure. Just my two cents, though.
In Dale's case, the intruder didn't need to know where the valuable items were because he was holding Dale hostage, so he certainly forced him to show him how to steal.
Yeah, a quarter of a million is a good chunk of change, but to drop your whole life and start again? Not to mention it would probably be even less after splitting it with masked guy. Masked guy might have been another employee that just got caught by Dale and people have killed for less. Organized crime likes to also get involved with stealing precious metals.
@@CobraCommander92 my thought is it was probably an employee that simply got away with both crimes, but consider that a quarter million back then with just raw conversion is nearly 500k today, and that's before considering that the us dollar has a lot more purchasing power in 1987.
@@CobraCommander92 - I like your theory about someone else who works there, or even better a ex employee. One that wouldn't be an immediate suspect due to time, or distance away.
Any time I hear things like "They have no history of mental illness" I think of two super important things: 1. No one in my life knew I had anxiety and depression until I was almost 30. I didn't tell anyone. And people aren't as perceptive as they like to think they are. Mental illness is easy to hide when people aren't looking for it. 2. My ex worked in the psych unit for a hospital and that is how I learned that most psychosis and schizophrenia symptoms develop in early to mid twenties. And usually are NOT predicated by previous mental illness. Unfortunately it can just...happen.
so true, most people who have mental illness don't show it, that's why when people off themselves, their families always say they were the happiest, kindest person. It's extra devestaiting to the families, because often thy blame themselves for not realizing, but these things can only really be spotted out by a professional, or someone who is going through the same thing. actually, I'm sure you've heard the saying "the saddest people have the brightest smile" this is because they put in extra work to hide it. just an fyi to anyone who knows someone who jokes around a lot, if they seem too happy to be true, it's probably fake you'd be shocked to find the difference it can make to simply asked them how they are (you may wanna ask twice, since it might seem like a idle question)
the worst part isn't that they don't notice, it's that they have absolutely no understanding of it, and how terrifying it is, when they actually do find out. It becomes your reality. I had my first break sometime around 19. Im usually fine these days, but if I don't drink, or take my sero quel, I don't sleep. After 2 days of that, Im done for. Couple months ago I was involuntaried, twice..literally set the record at the hospital for how fast I came back. They released me, and "those men" were still chasing me. Within an hour I was escorted back, and couldn't understand why no one believed me when I had pictures/videos. Later when I looked at them, there was absolutely nothing on them.
She was taken by the merpeople, same ones whose fingerprints were all over the boat. And that's why the corrupt authorities didn't analyze them, because they weren't human and they are hiding these things from the masses.
As someone with a family member with schizophrenia, it sounds like she had sudden onset paranoid schizophrenia. In my experience with said family member they were fine and then boom, they started hearing voices, having hallucinations. Even to the point of saying that someone injected them with something. drugs and stress can make the dormant illness active.
If you mean the "intruder" story, I don't think schizophrenia can reach the level of running into a river in the first episode. They said she had been stressed, but no earlier delusions. Psychotic break, yes.
@@Creatures1504 Her own family even said she was stable and didn't have any mental conditions, so how would you know if her family said so? I mean, people on RUclips diagnosing somebody they've never met is pretty ignorant.
I remember the UM episode about Patricia Meehan, and her family stating she was a very soft-hearted person, and they guessed that on top of all her other psychological issues, the accident and the possibility she hurt another living being sent her into a complete breakdown. Thinking she had hurt someone would explain all her "stay one step ahead of the cops" behavior.
Funny thing is, it doesn't even seem like she was trying to do that. Someone trying to stay "ahead of the cops" doesn't hang out at truck stops and diners along highways. It just sounds like that's the way everything fell. It wasn't anything she was doing- she obviously wasn't avoiding police if she's hitching at places law enforcement is known to be at. She didn't even leave the region. It just happened that the people who saw her didn't realize she was "missing" until after they'd seen or talked to her. Some by weeks.
For Kayelyn Louder, it sounds like she was having a schizophrenia episode. I had a friend who did similar stuff Kayelyn did even though none of it was actually happening. It’s scary to see and sad to see, all at the same time.
As someone who lived in Guatemala, specifically on THAT lake- I have one other theory based on the stories the locals told me… No one should be swimming there. In fact, my student exchange program (all of us at least 18) were not allowed to do anything in the lake. Yes, it’s a very popular tourist spot. And very often, people go missing at Lake Atitlan. One morning I woke up very early, and tried to take a swim at dawn in the lake. As I was walking into the water, I heard a man who was fishing on a dock nearby scream at me as though his life depended on it. “No! Get out! Stay away. It will take you.” Is what he yelled in Spanish. I then spent the rest of that year learning everything I could about this lake. Every single one of the locals will tell you the story of “El Diablo Del Lago.” It’s hard to discern if it’s a squid, a cryptid, or something else entirely. But it’s active, very old, and very protective of its environment. I even asked a professor why we wouldn’t snorkel, paddle board, kayak- or participate in any normal lake activities. He could never give me a valid answer, and it always was vague. On our last day of the trip, I told him I knew about Diablo Del Lago. And I asked him if that’s why we couldn’t go into the lake. He told me very simply: “When all the locals say the same thing, including the drunks in the market- you do as the locals say and do.” And I did notice that absolutely no locals frequent the lake recreationally. Only for tourism money, travel from one side of the lake to the next, and fishing to sell at the local restaurants and markets. I plan to return to Guatemala for one of my anniversaries, but I do not plan to visit this lake. While it is one of the most beautiful places I’ve ever witnessed- it is shrouded in ancient and sacred mystery.
It could even be an undercurrent, some kind of eel or sturgeon. If you watch Jeremy Wade, who is a British champion fisherman, biologist, and teacher-he goes looking for these mystery creatures. His shows are EXCELLENT. And it often is some kind of unexpected large eel-like fish behind these lake stories.
The "intruder" case was a psychotic break. An intruder wouldn't stay in her apt while she's on the phone with cops, much less lock the door behind himself (why?)
@@bambooexpress To make Kayelyn look like she is mentally unstable. What if her roommate and Kayelyn grew to dislike each other and her roommate wanted her gone. It's not far-fetched.
5:46 So, let's say this scenario played out: Spencer went swimming after the boat, and something happened to him, he drowned. You are Sophia, stranded but with a phone. Are you really so terrified of a possible trespassing charge that rather than calling the police, you'd rather die slowly in agony in a deserted lighthouse?
@@77Creationwhy would Austin and his dad pay for the search right away no one looked into it if they can afford an entire search then they can afford to pay people off
I Agree! Especially because Austin and his dad paid for the search that's not cheap maybe they could afford to pay off law enforcement unknown fingerprints no effort to search at all
The problem is this scenario is imagined by you with no proof. Two drunk kids drowned at night, that's the whole secret. Why are peole so dumb to imagine stupid conspiracy theories about everything.
wtf??? Dude describes a literal psychotic break and still calls it a mystery. Her roommate was literally there saying no one broke in. Just because you aren’t formally diagnosed or have a history of mental illness does not preclude you from having it. I’d say a lot of people are not formally diagnosed in the U.S. because mental health is a luxury expense here, sadly. I really, really, REALLY wish people researched more about psychotic breaks and mental illness when it comes to odd behavior. It’s not a mystery or “creepy” at all.
I am fairly sure he's more talking about it's a mystery how she ended up in the water. Her family is yelling crime, the cops are saying accident, the place and area are way further than you may expect even during rain. I mean you won't ever know her exact last moments cause they weren't captured. That's the mystery of the case. Hell we got a case similar to that girl. Guy with a psychotic break. Left the hospital of his own volition, which he could cause he signed himself in. Later turned up dead in a river. Everyone just went, accident or he made the conscious choice. Five years later we find out from some footage someone came to the cops with that the guy had attacked a bystander. The bystander punched him. And the guy fell in the water while the bystander ran away in a panic. Guy never came back up til a while later when his body was light enough to bop atop the water. technically that's manslaughter. Causing an accidental death in a self defense situation. For the girl? You won't know, there's no prove of what happened. Her family is never gonna know for sure what exactly happened. And the not knowing gives them space for denial about what happened. Because they'd rather blame a culprit than having to constantly question what they could have done as parents to prevent this. Even if the mental health condition is mostly genetic and invisible until later in life and they couldn't have changed the outcome. They'd still try to find a way to blame themselves. Cause an illness is not a perpetrator they can easily envision and blame.
Any one else almost feel weird liking these videos⁉️ on one hand you genuinely like the adrenaline from being spooked out and on the other hand you get a eerie feeling about the ppl involved in these videos‼️
what does that even mean??... you either like the video or you dont, you either think the video is good wellmade or its not, what are you talking? You actually thought it means you like what some people do to others in videos, cause thats crazy for real, just pls stop making up weird stuff and be rational. Thats the least logical or valid statement for while.
I think Spencer and Sofias boat got loose and got away, leaving them stuck at the lighthouse, and they then decided to try to swim back to the land, resulting in both of their drowning deaths. Idk. Clearly, their judgment wasn't the greatest from he start😳
Or one swam after the boat and started struggling and the other jumped in and were drowned by the one struggling who then drowned themselves. It wasnt like they were stranded on an island in the middle of the ocean. Not sure why it was so urgent. Then again weed and alcohol was involved.
I think Spencer went first, trying to get the boat back by swimming. When he didn't get back she tried swimming back to shore. And maybe he let his phone with Sofia, which explains why she called her mom with his phone. But that doesn't explain why she didn't use her own phone, maybe she didn't bring it? Or maybe her batteries went dead.
Why would they feel the need to swim back? They've only been there a short while, they'd wait until daylight for a boat to pass nearby. Hardly starving to death were they?
@@Coxy-b34exactly I don’t why they didn’t just wait till the day…. they had a phone and could have just chilled there and watched the sunrise with each other…
More likely that mistakes were made getting back into the boat, Sofia initially tried calling, panicked, went in the water to try to help Spencer, then they both drowned. If it's that far it wouldn't make sense to swim back in pitch black water.
Nancy Ng's case reminds me of almost getting drown while I was kayaking. I didn’t wear a life vest, and what's worst is that I didn’t know how to swim. I was in a struggle, I grabbed on the boat, and two guys who were kayaking helped me. Almost got myself killed from an idiotic mistake.
The Patricia Meehan missing person case was first shown in the t.v. series "Unsolved Mysteries" in the 1990s. I cannot remember the episode season, but it shows interviews with several people that said they saw her in truck stops trying to get a ride from truckers. A waitress said that she served breakfast to Patricia,and that she seemed to be in a hurry to get somewhere. This is one of those missing people cases that I had hoped would be solved.
Sometimes people with delusional thought disorders won’t recognize their own face. I wonder if Kayelyn was seeing her reflection in a mirror or reflected off of the windows. That’s why the “intruder” is just standing there but not saying anything because she can only hear her own voice and could also explain the stalkers she was seeing outside of her windows the night before (seeing her own reflection). My four year old once said something like, “will you shut the blinds because of the ghosts outside?” I was so confused and asked if she could see them right then, and she said yes. I looked at the window and noticed our reflections, so I waved at the windows and asked if one of the ghosts was waving at her and she said yes. 🤷♂️
It's just sad that neither the roommate nor the police jumped to this conclusion. She should have been brought to a psychiatrist immediately after that call.
Yep it’s kind of a sad story. What people with mental health issues go through. They start hearing voices or start hearing things that are not there seeing things that are not there.
The Nancy Ng story - I think it’s most likely the entire group witnessed her drowning and did nothing to help save her, they feel ashamed or worried about the public shaming if they admitted that. She could have even tried clinging to the side of their kayaks and they pushed her away for fear she would tip their kayaks. She ended up drowning as a result, where all were present and felt culpable. They feared having to explain, they all agreed on leaving asap and keeping quiet. It explains all of the clearly sketchy behavior without requiring some murder conspiracy.
For me, the shocking part of Patricia's story is hearing someone reference Circle, MT. I'm 1 of 5 people who's ever heard of that place, including the folks that live there.
Been to Lake Atitlan in Guatemala. It's so beautiful, but you wouldn't catch me kayaking in the middle of that Lake. Even in a large boat the waters are really choppy.
For the second story I don’t feel bad for Christiana because she DID withhold information, she DID not cooperate, she DID not want to help, she IS acting shady.
11:10 She definitely saw something. Even if she was hypothetically trafficked and she were bribed, threatened, or forced to keep it a secret, she wouldn't seem that traumatized
The story about Nancy Ng was just weird and sad because Christina literally paddled off to leave Nancy in the deep end in her attempt to get help. Also the group is shady as well, not even batting a eye about Nancy not being with them
She paddled off to immediately go get help but before that she tried to get Nancy her Kayak. Unless you are a trained life guard, it is advised you don't try to jump in and help people. Seems like Christina did the best she could to get her something to grab onto and then go get help.
@@Tampafan33 What does this even mean, bud? Do you have any evidence or reason to doubt her telling of events or do you just spout out conspiracies and fanfic for everything?
I'm amazed by the amount of people who don't wear life jackets when boating on the water. People greatly overestimate their ability to swim or tread water for any length of time. It's hard.
Yeah super duper dick move. It seems the parents made it clear they weren't especially interested in "dealing" with whatever troubles she had. Very offputting. I'm quite sure that's what caused Patricia's behavior and disappearance.
This was my thought too. If there wasn't some background of issues, the parents wouldn't have immediately jumped to you need therapy before you can come into the house
the second one is really strange and creepy. WHY they act so weird ?? just why was that needed ?? only if they had to cover someone, out of fear or guilty reasons ?? I don't say they did it, but to be so silent, leaving the country all together and not choose to speak for so long is all very, very weird and suspicious.
@@taquitobandito6054they reported it 24 hours after the fact, they were out of the country after 8 hours. They would also be charged with murder (if they had done it) regardless if they went back to their country because the law still applies (especially murder, that’s just global)
So the only people we're believing is the people who owned the business? Kind of funny to me that because you just heard someone say in a RUclips video that "these 2 people said they looked nervous and left quickly" that you just accept that as fact, without any other verification or anyone else saying "yes, this is what happened". Police didn't verify that. And who has something to lose? A bunch of folks- who don't know each other at all, btw- on a kayak trip in a foreign country or the people who own the business this happened at? And I'm not trying to place blame on the owners either- I'm just encouraging people to ACTUALLY LISTEN to what info was given (which wasn't much) and maybe use a tiny bit of common sense when applying some critical thinking. What makes you think that 10 people who are all unrelated and only met a day or 2 before would suddenly be all "sure, we'll cover up this death you caused. None of us have a conscience and we totally won't get in trouble if we get caught lying for you, person we just met"? As for the one girl not talking to the family- I would do the same and so would most of you, if you weren't so eager to turn everything into a drama series. What is one thing you know about people who have had a loved one die? All are looking for someone to blame. And you should all also know that no matter what you say or how you act, there will be plenty of folks who make decisions about your "guilt" based on absolutely asinine things. You should know because a ton of you are doing exactly that and do it on other cases as well. You just haven't put yourself in that place yet. Or if you have, you automatically believe that everyone will see your words and actions as "the right ones" and just have sympathy for you. Sorry buddy, that's not at all how it goes. You'd be raked across the coals and accused of things you couldn't imagine, all because you couldn't cry at the "right" time or because you say X instead of Y because that's just how you talk.
I'm amazed at the amount of people who genuinely think "I don't know any of these people or what's going on, better doxx, harass and send death threats to this complete stranger" is a reasonable way to go through life.
Most people are really not all that smart and the fact that they’re not that decent either makes matters worse. We have an epidemic of stupid sociopaths.
Even if they’re being 100% honest about what happened, no one will ever know what happened to Nancy, her family will never have a body to bury. All because of choices they made.
same, people on the internet are really scary, none of them feel any remorse or anything about what they do, they're hidden behind their screen and just harass other. worse is that they still believe they're good people
Im wondering it's those younger generations, just hate and judgement, no real understanding of life and what it will throw at all of us. But remember it's maybe because they are so awake!! 😮😂❤
15:31 the eyes, that caught me off guard... I don't think she was mentally stable at the time and that's why the odd request to stay with her parents... Hope she can be located someday
My theory is that Nancy was maybe push by accident and the others saw and Fell in the water and couldn’t get out . Maybe that’s why the others were being weird about the situation idk just my theory .
I agree it's the only real like theory that makes sense, doxxing is wrong and but it's not wrong of the parents being suspicious about everyone involved that day especially Christine, I understand what a lawyer does but the fact that she won't even tell the police or a private person about the event is worrying. Staying silent can either be good for you but bad for others
@@fatdoggolovespizza Yes, and in, playfully pushed, or as they call it elsewhere, "rough housing." Friend groups, especially among very young people, do this kind of thing all the time, even during situations where they should know better. It's just recklessnes, not necessarily malice.
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5:18 Why couldn't they have just been flipped out of the boat by a sudden wake, rough water, or losing their balance? They both fell out of the boat, they both drowned, his body was found, hers wasn't. Why does it have to be some complicated conspiracy? The shirt was left there because he didn't care about it and the fingerprints were probably from a random passerby that checked out the boat out of curiosity. It's simple. Why does it have to be something nefarious and not just an accident like the report says? I really don't understand.
Or he tried swimming after the boat that became unmoored, didn’t come back for a while, and she tried swimming either after him or back to shore. If they were both trollied on drugs and alcohol, it’s a recipe for disaster with swimming in deep water. Her body could be anywhere. Plenty of people drown in rivers, lakes and the sea and are never found.
250k of pure platinum in 1986 would have been about 42lbs. BUT the volume of that material is about the size of two typical water bottles. Accounting for the material being tubing; if the platinum tubes take up about the same space as a 24 pack of water (12x more volume), there’s no way that bag didn’t contain the security guard’s body :( Which I know is the obvious conclusion.
Not too far off but not quite. I live here where it happened. Not far from the plant actually. I believe all pf the initial reports/police reports stated that it was either 26 or 27 pounds. I can't recall which. Other way, it's a one pound difference.
But you're correct on the other part, and your general point. I've always believed that bag contained his body. Most people here believe that. It seems so obvious for a host of reasons. I don't even understand why some people say like "it may have contained his body." It seems quite clear.
I'm guessing that the masked guy was already working there, or previously worked there and Dale recognised his voice and then the thief couldn't set him free.
I remember seeing Dale's case years ago on Unsolved Mysteries. Yeah, I have always believed that he was probably a victim. If he had participated in the inside job, then it wouldn't explain why he was never seen nor heard from again.
Even if he was in on it at the beginning doesn't mean he made it out at the end. I've seen speculation on other channels that he may have ended up in one of the furnaces
Yeah I agree. Looking at a camera is instinctual if you know where they are and in danger. I used to work retail and when we got robbed, we briefly looked at the cameras. The cops even commented this to us after they reviewed the footage that all 4 of us looked at the camera at different times.
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Yeah, he’s him
Idk, two kids who aren’t sober sailing in the middle of the night going missing, while it was tragic, nothing to me sticks out as pointing to foul play
I have a hard time believing it was anything but accidental drowning as well.
Exactly. People do the most
ikr,and yet the above comments are being geniuses thinking it was foul play and that we should feel bad about two drunk kids doing dangerous stuffs.
He could have slipped and hit his head and she probably didnt know how to swim but tried to save him thus joining him
yeah agreed, anyone thinking otherwise are morons.
0:01 bro DID NOT waste a second of our time before starting the story 💀
That's why this channel is so good
lol I was finna say the same shit
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That's so refreshing
Schizophrenia typically develops between the ages of 18-25, and a person who is seemingly completely normal will suddenly be extremely paranoid, delusional, and have a different personality. I wonder how many of these stories can be explained by understood mental health diagnoses rather than scary or creepy reasons.
True, I think this must be considered for a lot of missing person cases and seemingly mysterious deaths. But the fact that schizophrenia or other serious mental illnesses can hit you out of seemingly nowhere at anytime is a horrifying reality within itself.
37 is too old for schizophrenia. Drug use can do this.
Just what I was thinking. Very much a suspicion. Schizophrenia resembles alzheimers, seeing and conversing with people who aren't there and paranoia.
I thought that was the ages for men only. Women are later in life, generally in their 30s. However I’m not an expert, that is just what I read years ago.
I have early sypmtoms
i wake up late in the middle of the night and just stand facing the wall insee things in the walls
Patricia was very likely suicidal. Her making a therapist appointment doesn't mean anything... There are people who will go grocery shopping, make a whole meal plan for the week, and then do it. It's often an impulsive moment of feeling hopeless. Very, very sad. She probably was overthinking her life, feeling bad about it, decided fuck it and tried to get in an accident, and then either got head trauma or was in such shock that she left and abandoned her life instead.
Very well said. My thoughts exactly.
as someone who has attempted, this is very true
as someone who has attempted, this is very true
@@coolio123-pv3np glad you're still here
Reminds me a lot of the Maura Murray (sp?) case... I hope that both families find answers somehow
The Nancy Ng case still fucks me up, somebody on that retreat knows something. It's so frustrating.
Yeah, they know she drowned and that they didn't want to be held for a crime in Central America. I'd have done the same thing. Then again, I'd never go to Central America.
She was eaten by a sea monster
@@rcdune7132 Are you proud of posting shit that stupid?
@@rcdune7132 Yep. Most likely. They are definately hiding something big. If the story was as simple as a drowning from strong currents, those people would not be behaving in such a suspicious manner. Doesn't take an IQ over that of a monkey to figure this much out. Also on the "Sofia" case, there is a reason why the authorities did not pursue analyzing the fingerprints all over the boat (because they weren't human).
After watching the detailed video some months ago, I emailed the Ng family that the group must have gone on an Ayahuasca retreat. These types of retreats are very popular now and the drug may have influenced Nancy to lose it for a moment and go for a swim. So I think that part of it is true. It also explains why the group hightailed it out of Guatemala immediately. If they signed waivers, they're not allowed to speak on it.
For the Katelyn Lauder case, that REALLY sounds like untreated schizophrenia. My aunt was perfectly functioning, happy, brilliant English professor at Texas A&M for 15 years and then one day she accused the staff of placing a lookalike of her dead sister in the room across from her to spy on her.
That was the first incident that indicated she was having some kind of mental health situation.
She refuses to get treatment and to this day, she hears things that no one said by people who aren't there. She has full conversations with herself. She fully believes the hallucinations and her kids, my 1st cousins, refuse to get her any kind of help or treatment.
My biggest fear is something like the Lauder case happening to my aunt. Schizophrenia is a horrible, horrible, heartbreaking affliction.
I was dating some one who I thought I would spend the rest of my life with. I loved him. One day he went missing for a full day which was completely unlike him. His sister did not know where he was and neither did I. The next day he called and told me he went to a party with uber and left his phone in his car. And I knew that was a lie. Over the next few weeks it became clear something was wrong. And then he broke it to me that he has schizophrenia where he sees things and he sees people talking to him. And he talks back to them and doesn't realise that they are just illusions. His father has the same thing. My heart broke when he said I would safer away from him. And he didn't want to continue the relationship because he was scared of what he may do when with me. And said I didn't deserve that. I'm still heart broken to this day. But I know that schizophrenia is a terrible thing to deal with. Especially when untreated like he was. Where ever he is now, I hope he's OK.
I completely agree with you. Horrible illness
There's absolutely zero doubt in my mind that it was a case of undiagnosed and untreated schizophrenia. I've known two people who suffer from paranoid schizophrenia within my life; one is my best friend to this day and she's a sweetheart and is excellent at rationalising her paranoid delusions. The other was an ex-friend whom I'm glad to no longer be associated with, as he was a paranoid schizophrenic, whom also refused to take his meds, smoked weed and was a raging narcissist to boot. Any time that I'd try to gently explain that the TV wasn't talking to him or whatever nonsense he believed, he would become angry and abusive in response.
Anywho, yeah; Katelyn Lauder was 100% suffering from paranoid schizophrenia and died from misadventure. The conspiracy theories surrounding her death are as absurd as... well, a paranoid schizophrenic's delusions.
Does your Dear Aunt have something you want?
@@PatD-3877 Yes, her sanity. She was like a sister to me. Now, she's completely untethered from reality. I want my aunt back. I begged my cousin to petition the court for power of attorney in order to force her to get treatment. I did the research to see what Texas law requires in a situation like this, I told them step by step what to do and they've done nothing. Plus she lives all alone here in Houston while her kids all live in Corpus Christi.
The Kayelynn story is disturbingly close to that of a good friend of mine.
A bit quirky previously, he suddenly came to me one day saying that he was worried that various organizations were trailing him due to his 'revolutionary' views and wondered if any of them had contacted me about him.
Two days later he lit himself on fire and jumped off a 40meter bridge.
In that kind of Paranoid Schizophrenic state I can easily see her walking down the shallow parts of the river to "avoid capture/detection"
I’m so sorry that happened to your friend, mental illness is so scary sometimes. But I agree with you, her story sounds like a tragic accident due to mental illness. Walking on the water like that, even if it’s not too cold out, can easily lead to hypothermia, numbness in the limbs, and collapse. Which can of course lead to death. Very sad 😔
Agreed and sorry to hear that about him
That sounds like a pretty sick stunt, any vids of it?
@@empire0 I will give you the benefit of the doubt here, and that didn't read between the lines well.
If you are seriously trolling my friends s*&cide.................... no words.
Set himself on fire AND jumped off a bridge? Yeah sure. Did he shoot himself on the way down too after swallowing a bottle of pills? Don't let me stop you at two suicide methods.
On Kayelyn Louder, I lived with a schizophrenic once who would hear voices outside and believed someone was going to break in and get him. He came to my door late at night more than once, genuinely terrified. It would take time and patience to convince him that what he was hearing was not real. If I wanted to go outside to show him no one is there he'd beg me not to go outside. I would go out anyway and walk around the house, opening the side gate and everything. I'd be telling him there's nobody out here at regular intervals. Then I'd go back in and assure him that what there was no one out there and what he was experiencing was not real. I reasoned with him until he calmed down. You need to understand this is not someone who's merely imagining things, they're having (in the case of my friend) auditory hallucinations and to them its completely real. One problem for him was that, even knowing he had a mental illness, the things he experienced were things you don't want to be wrong about. What if this time there really is someone trying to break in and you're ignoring it because you're reasoning with yourself that this is your schizophrenia? If hallucinations are not wildly out of touch with reality, there is that uncertainty.
I don't know what happened to Kayelyn but wandering around outside in the rain in her state without someone who could help her was a terrible situation and the outcome was a terrible tragedy for her and her family. 😢
Agreed 😔
I bet a young guy who cut his ear off and was ready to do the other when his parents caught him just before he was about do to do his other ear , the voices told him to do it he said . i met him visiting a friend in a mental ward , so many had a sad story that jacked their life up and gave them mental illness .
Katelyn’s twin brother, Colton had many paranoid incidents that were made worse by drugs. He has since passed away. Many people aren’t diagnosed with schizophrenia until they’re in their late 20’s and older. It’s so heartbreaking for her family.
I was getting ready to say she may have been schizophrenic it makes a lot of sense because of how confusing her roommate sounded and how confusing her disappearance is
Do you keep in touch with the schizophrenic guy? I really hope he is doing okay.
As someone who has experienced months long psychosis, Kayelynn's story seems pretty similar to what I experienced. It is terrifying and everything feels 100% real. You never get a break from the delusions, it was the most awful thing I have ever lived through. It also made me extremely suicidal.
What kind of delusions did you have? I hope you don't mind me asking
So this was a temporary condition for you and you feel like yourself again?
I’m so sorry that you went through that. I hope that you’re feeling better, now. ❤😊
One thing i noticed among ppl with psychosis is feeling like the joker, have u ever felt that? I felt it when i had it
I had the same thing happen. I got very suicidal because it was so scary and stressful. I would also agree it was the worst thing I have ever been through. Thankfully it was temporary for me and it sounds like that was the case for you also. I'm glad we both made it.
Nancy's case needs WAY more attention
Prayers and justice for the family. They have every right to be angry and question the group. 🙏🏻
Well it wouldn’t need any if those stupid cult members Nancy was with would have opened up about what happened.
Idk but I feel like the friends done something . Maybe some went wrong , or a mistake was made and that's why they killed her. But I don't understand the stupidity of the police. And also why were all friends not interrogated by the police why only Cristina. Also if it's true that Cristina saw her not coming back from the underwater she must have saw the moment she drowned. There's no way she wasn't trying to get out from the water ... she couldn't just sink like a rock. Also waiting 24 hours to raport her missing even if Cristina saw her not coming back from the water . That dosen t make any sense at all .
Fr that group was probably the reason why she passed I don't think on purpose but they definitely dealt a hand in her death
@@inspireddobie3746 most definitely the whole thing just wouldn’t sit right with me
This is the first spooky content channel that doesn’t have a narrator voice that is beyond annoying. Thank you for that!!!
Number 15 Burger King foot lettuce
Are we listening to the same guy? 😂
Chills 😂
You obviously haven't heard or seen Mr. Ballen. Guy's a legend at story telling.
I would have to agree I’m quite fond of the sound of his voice. It’s soothing to me. Plus the fact that I don’t have to worry about excess 🐂 💩 on this channel. Kudos!
The kayak incident of 'she hopped off her boat and that's how she died' makes zero sense. If that were the case, all of them would have been screaming for help once they got back to land, and would've called the cops immediately. Innocent people sound the alarm asap, guilty people keep their mouths shut and flee.
I've never heard of a person hopping off their kayak to swim.
Not always man. Ive been there before, you keep your mouth shut because the cops will railroad anyone that even begins to open their mouth. The cops arent in it to solve crimes, but to clear a case fast as they can no matter who gets arrested
@@C-SDright? Can you even get back in while in the water?
7:12 The side eye C is getting in that photo….i wonder why.
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0:00 Sofia McKenna
6:03 Nancy Ng
11:47 Patricia Meehan
17:33 Kayelyn Louder
26:14 Dale Kerstetter
I’m scared for Dale. He’s definitely dead.
@@andrewcorfield208 Yeah, I think whether or not he was in on the heist he was killed by the robber(s).
RUclips keeps removing any comments mentioning the guy's instagram in Nancy's case. Good to know who you guys REALLY support.
RUclips keeps removing any comments mentioning the guy's instagram. Good to know who you guys REALLY support.
RUclips keeps removing any comments mentioning the guy's instagram. Good to know who you guys REALLY support.
Witnessing these last footage videos of people that went missing completely in a very unknown way is truly a very terrifying experience, what makes it even more scarier is sometimes the people themselves in these footages act really eerie.
FORTNITE
it’s so hard to fathom sometimes like where did they go will we ever find out & the fact that someone out there always knows something it’s so scary
is this an AI generated comment lol
Learn to use periods lmao. What a mess of words. You can say a lot mmore with a lot less.
@@armyonce6962 nope. Unless your talking about fortnight over there then maybe.
I will say, about Patricia scheduling a therapist before a potential attempt. Before my first attempt I was at my therapists two days before. There's not really a lot of logic that goes into things like that. You just suddenly can't do it anymore, some people act entirely fine for a week leading up to trying to take their life- others have sudden impulses and just do it on a whim following a bad bout of depression.
Her scheduling an appointment honestly makes sense even if she tried to take her life shortly after- sometimes you try hard to maintain normalcy and just realise minutes after that you can't.
Yeah when I was in therapy I felt too ashamed and scared to tell them I had ideation. I would downplay it, afraid they might put me in a closed institution or that they would disclose everything to my parents, but I certainly had thoughts that were dangerous for my own safety.
geez, makes me glad to have a healthy mind. If you cannot rely on your own mind, you cannot rely on anything
With the Patricia story there's a high chance she was a mental breakdown and the accident throw her over the edge and now she's basically either forgotten who she was all together or is extremely paranoid and delusional right now... oddly enough it happens a lot.
I'm responding to myself rather than editing schizophrenia can randomly pop up without warning around the mid-twenties to later in life. No signs beforehand. 1 minute the person's okay and then they're in full swing delusions.
She’s just crazy af
Yeah I've read that for men it's early 20s but women it actually appears most often in late 20s early 30s. Right around her age@@akiraliliphen1263
It could have been a dissociative fugue or something
It is a case IDENTICAL to Maura Murray.
Second last one: "Doesn't have a history of mental health issues" doesn't mean she doesn't have them, and clearly she did. The "family and friends say she was fine and normal" thing tends to not be overly reliable for many cases. Of course family and friends will say that; either the person who went crazy masks a lot, or due to simple bias the family and friends don't notice anything wrong.
Exactly
Coulda been a serious drug problem also.... cocaine, Crack and especially meth can really mess a persons brain up... I've seen what all of those can do to a seemingly normal person and it's both sad and frightening
Exactly. They can just develop out of nowhere, you don’t need to have had a history of them in order to get one.
Due to the stigma attached to mental health problems, families, and friends might deny the existence of a problem, fearing the persons embarrassment once they're found Also they might feel like people/cops might be less sympathetic. Same also for being a drug user.
Do you think that makes it irrelevant? Jesus
Nah justice for nancy her retreat group should've just been transparent instead of making themselves look sketch asf
What?
For real
They didn’t give a damn about her. The only things they were concerned about is their reputations
Looking "sketch" is not a crime. If it was, based on your thumbnail, you could be put away for life.
@rodneybray5827 It's not a crime but it isn't smart painting yourself as a potential suspect.
Kayelyn was definitely experiencing psychosis. people don't realize that you don't necessarily have to have a history of mental illness to experience psychosis. additionally, schizophrenia and other illnesses related to psychosis, hallucinations, and delusions don't often show symptoms until later in life. mine was diagnosed in my early 20s and I had no symptoms in childhood or even as a teenager. so not having a psychiatric history doesn't mean they can't still develop a mental health condition later in life.
11:15 Why are the members of the group being shady? It seems pointless unless they all know something they're not telling.
@penelopes.9696 You’re either trolling or ridiculously stupid. Why no cooperate and doing everything you possibly can to A. Help find your missing friend and B. To help her family to get some closure. You’re insinuating that everybody that was present was so rattled up that they all shut down? Your comment almost angers me.
@penelopes.9696 #idiot
It's possible that Patricia witnessed it and felt really guilty about not doing anything to save Nancy in the moment. Could be true of the others as well if they saw it,
they were probably doing drugs
Going to jail in a foreign country is a really, really bad fucking time
About Kayelin: that she was "a bit depressed" in the months before could have been the prodromal phase to a full blown paranoid schizophrenia. That can be similar to a mild depressive episode. Also most patients have their first onset of schizophrenia in their early twenties, so this fits really well. My guess is she was starting to have a psychosis, ran away afraid and sadly had an accident.
I think everything about the death of Nancy is true, except where she gets out of her kayak. It still seems accidental but the group has more to do with it then they’re letting on. I can see Christine being playful and poking Nancy with her paddle not really thinking about the fact she didn’t have a life jacket, and not knowing about how dangerous the currents in the lake were. Nancy *actually* capsizes and it all gets out of control from there. People underestimate nature and it’s very easy for a regular excursion to turn deadly if you’re not prepared.
Exactly
How are these people not being investigated further?? Even if it were by accident, it should be known what happened to her. Her family is owed that much. For the whole group to be acting shady is also kinda weird. How could 8 other people be completely silent about it? The guy who organized the thing saying cagey stuff to the family too... what happened to you Nancy?! Lol
I can imagine after it happens Christine encounters the rest of the group in a panic and repeatedly says it was an accident. That explains why they would all be nervous. In my opinion still unjust as Christine will probably never reveal the truth.
@@DPSFSU "people not being investigated further" The problem is there are no other witnesses, CCTV or physical evidence. If everyone sticks to the story, the cops have no leverage
Please watch the RUclipsr Christina Randall’s take on this mystery. She has some pretty good theories about it.
Nancy jumped off to go for a swim?!? Nancy had been the year before with the same trainer and knew exactly how hard it is to get back on the kayak from in the water......100% Nancy fell off and drowned because her arms were too fatigued to keep her head above water, 10:43 looks like nobody is wearing a life jacket. It's a shame because they save lives, you can just float there.
There is something extra spooky about a person's last known photograph being them standing infront of a "No Trespassing" sign.
its not spooky when you realize they legit were asking for it. They were trespassing where you arent supposed to trespass,
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@@HolytoasterThe fact her body wasn't found likely means she somehow ended up in the water and drowning, not falling through a floor or having something fall on her. Also, that's pretty callous of you. Idk if you have children or plan too, but no matter "how good" you raise them, kids and young adults will always do stuff like this. I hope it doesn't happen to them but if it does, I hope you aren't treated the same way you've treated her and her family.
@@governmentghost01I don't understand how parenting has anything to do with this. They're right, it was a very irresponsible thing to do, they didn't deserve it, of course, no one does. However, you're taking a huge risk by deciding to cross a no-trespassing zone (that's clearly labeled that way for a reason). They didn't “treat her or her family” any sort of way either. Yes, the statement was a bit harsh, but at the end of the day it’s true
@@Kay-sc8fiFair point, though I do appreciate someone for once admitting that a person will do what they want even if they were raised right. I sometimes watch police chest cam footage and the comment section is always a parade of people saying, “This is what happens when a child is never told ‘no.’” Like, dude, it’s never that simple.
I believe Katelyn Louder was most likely having a psychotic break.
When she says that “the people” weren’t saying anything just looking at her, a chill ran down my spine. This is classic early visual hallucinations like one would experience with the first psychotic manifestation of schizophrenia, schizo affective disorder, and even bi polar disorder with psychotic features. Not only do I know this because of my education and profession (I’m a licensed clinical social worker), but also because someone I love very much has schizophrenia and her early hallucinations were nearly identical.
She also called 911, and stated the “people” breaking in weren’t answering her. But instead of stealing belongings, she said they were there to steal her organs (yes, it was horrifying and scary for her, and for all of us who love her). Katelyn’s description of what she’s experiencing, coupled with her age, and stress level (when a person with a severe mental illness/disorder has their first psychotic break, it almost always occurs between ages 18-27, and when a huge stressor occurs; and they do not get well again without medication), truly lean toward mental illness as the culprit. The phone call, the paranoia, her disappearance, the hallucinations, and her continuing disorganized thoughts and unusual actions, a kind of spiraling deeper and deeper into psychosis, is heartbreaking and so, so tragic.
My heart breaks for her, and for all people who endure and fight these insidious illnesses. And the families and loved ones who must endure right along with them. It’s truly a cruelty beyond what those untouched by mental illness will likely ever experience.
That's my guess as well.
Not true !!!
@@hildapompa4236 Except it is. Her behavior is very consistent with a mental break
It's called jinn or demons.
@beckyf2845 *That's* called fairytale bullshit. FOH
Kayelyn sounds like a case of a schizo-affected illness. Anyone is susceptible to mental disorders like bipolar disorder and the reason for her being let go from her teaching position might give more clues. Even though schizophrenia typically shows up in the early 20's, can still happen later ... also, it's possible she ended up where she did in the river because she went there herself and was hiding from whoever she thought was following her. The fear might have been so great that she thought she had no choice but to stay there and ended up passing out from exhaustion and drowning. If someone has no history of mental illness, it's likely they and the people around them would not recognize it when it starts to happen. She should have been evaluated right after she made that 911 call considering there was no evidence to support what she said she saw.
Late teens early 20s is average onset for men, for women it’s late 20s early 30s
That’s what I said . Crazy though she disappeared
Came here to say what you say far better than I could here. I have a relative who has schizophrenia, and they have auditory hallucinations when their medicine is no longer doing the job. Many people have visual hallucinations with their mental illnesses. Also, the water temperature in late September is likely pretty chilly. At night, parts of Utah drop to the 40's (according to newspaper articles, she lived in Utah). Combine this with a soaking wet t-shirt and shorts, even if she climbed out, she could very well have succumbed to hypothermia. I feel terrible for her family, but I think this is just a very tragic chain of events brought about by her sudden symptoms.
I do wonder, if she thought she was being followed why’d she leave her dog? it’s possible she could’ve been in a hurry, but she seemed to really care about him
This is the mostly likely correct outcome.
The first story just sounds like the tragic result of combining alcohol and boating.
yeah and they probably boarded without life vests, they definitely tipped over and drowned
@@salsaproductions5859 they were out at night, too. That makes an already extremely dangerous situation 10x more dangerous.
@@edenisburning yeah and I’m also 22 myself and me and my friends also did some stupid shit while under the influence, so yeah that is the best explanation
@@salsaproductions5859 This would explain a lot. It explains the upside down kajak and the drowned body of the guy. Given that it was night, and they seem to be under the influence, all of this add together to make this theory of the tipping kajak plausible. Espescially when they were without vests.
You can barely catch me in the car at night let alone on a damn boat I don’t care if captain Jack sparrow is driving. No sir you’ll have to wait till the sun comes up.
I got a theory on 1st story… don’t go paddling around in a john boat at 2am ANYWHERE without a life jacket, personal protection, and more personal protection!
Edit: thanks for the comments, don’t get this kind of response much, funny how that affects the insecurity of some dopamine dopes 🫤 having kids this age I worry a little but try to keep them prepared and self aware, RIP to the victims in these incidents and God bless your parents and families I can’t imagine what you have endured and maybe this will nudge someone to take up self defense with their children or just to say something that we need to while we can
My theory is Spencer is a dumb simp.
Condoms, right?
They should have waited until daybreak before paddling out there.
Did her moms phone not have voicemail? Also why would he have her moms phone number?
Tiger shark.
I love how your channel gets straight to the point. No intro or outro or dumb ads, just content.
Patricia Meehan has always been the most fascinating disappearing person case to me. I remember seeing the unsolved mysteries episode of it as a kid. For somebody to just walk away and climb over a fence after an accident like that is just mind-blowing. Crazy knowing also that she grew up around Crafton/Northside in Pittsburgh (my hometown).
My ex girlfriend has a psychotic break all of a sudden. She was completely normal one day and the next morning she woke me up for work and said the TV was talking to her all night. She also said there was writing on the walls and windows when there wasn't! She was put in a psych ward for 6 days and released. She told me while she was in there that she thought everyone was scheming against her and told me when she talked to me on the phone that she didn't think it was really me. It broke my heart to see someone I love have a break with reality like that. They put her on medicine but she only took it for one month and quit. We broke up a year after she had her break after being together for 8 years.
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It makes you realise just how fine the line is between our conscious and subconscious selves is. It’s like dreaming, or having a nightmare, but while being fully awake, but not awake to reality. I realised that while I stayed with my sister at the hospital when she had a psychotic break. I’m a prolific dreamer, and it made me realise how nuts it would be in the world in our dreaming state instead of tucked up in bed asleep.
@@virginiaviola5097 yeah it was a scary situation for sure
@@armyvet8279 one of the things I find fascinating is how similar the experience is between those who experience a psychotic break or schizophrenic episode. The talking tv, the writing on walks and windows, the voices suggesting that people are plotting against them, that they are in danger and everyone is the enemy. It’s a strange mental state to be in, but there’s to be some commonality in the symptoms. And yes, it is rough seeing someone you love in that state.
@@virginiaviola5097 Maybe the world is just what we perceive. Damn
Despite kayelyn not having a history of mental illness, mental illnesses such as schizophrenia can develop much later in life and into adulthood. My brother didn't develop it until his late 30s.
Are you sure your brother isn’t a “Targeted Individual”?
@@Pocket_Qs What do you even mean by that?
Sorry to hear your brothers situation. It’s upsetting the authorities didn’t recognize during Kaylins 911 call that she needed help ASAP. Instead they just labeled her as “mentally ill” and did nothing else. Plz watch over your brother closely we shouldn’t be losing ppl this way they can be saved before the situation gets to the point of no return.
@@TheD4RT a “targeted individual” is “gangstalked”. Gangstalkers use “Voice to Skull” (V2K) and Remote Neural Monitoring (RNM) to surveillance targeted individuals. The technology uses a form of synthetic telepathy that allows Gangstalkers and targets to communicate. The goal of a gangstalker is to commit a targeted individual into a psych ward, incarcerated, suicide, violence, and/or homelessness.
I’m only bringing this up because you mentioned your brother developed signs/symptoms of schizophrenia in his 30s, which is very uncommon.
@@mariecolette170 Absolutely a shame how the authorities handled her situation! I appreciate you though! Thankfully in my brother's case he was able to get great help and has been able to manage his illness and leads a great life with a wife and two kids :)
The 2nd story is terrifying. What did they see that scared them so bad they refused to even talked to anyone.
So, seeing someone drown isn't traumatic enough in your opinion? What is enough? A cryptid? Fuckin Lockness? I'd believe a fresh water reef shark got tidal waved into the lake and ate her before I believe Mermaids did. 😂 Too much tin foil hat shit.
@@GaffGiraffe tru
@@GaffGiraffe fricking hate water, well swimming in it
The family is insane and accuses everyone at the retreat of murder and destroyed one woman's life. Crazy websleuthers even threatened to unalive her and the family just says "who cares, we want information". The woman drowned, those things happened.
Swimming in open deep water that's not totally calm is way more dangerous than people realize. Only strong swimmers would be able to survive. She probably immediately started panicking when she saw she lost her kayak and not even swimming just trying to tread water. Very easy to drown.
Just found your channel yesterday and been binging one after another. No unnecessarily long intros, no lengthy outros either. Just straight to the point. Love it.
Kayelyn. Paranoid schizophrenia. If you work with people with this condition you can recognise the signs. Barefoot. Talking to self. Hand gestures. And imagining things that are not real
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The dog was real, and it's a man's best friend.
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@@2NDFLB-CLERK What dog?
@@Sundaydish1the cute little pug
@@FallenAngel9979 I was joking
Why is being barefoot a common thing for them?
Missing people cases always intrigue and scare me the most. Just the fact that we may never know what happened to them and how their final moments played out. I'll never stop thinking of possibilities that could've happened to them
I've heard of Kayelyn's case before. Even if someone doesn't have a history of mental illness or a prior diagnosis, enough stress and trauma can trigger a psychotic episode. I've had one before, and have even had the auditory hallucination where I thought people were talking in my house when no one else was home. I heard footsteps like someone was walking around upstairs but there was no one. I was more aware of what was happening to me, but it is still a scary thing to experience. Thankfully I did not have any serious visual hallucinations, but they are possible. The human brain can sometimes only handle so much before things go a bit haywire in there, and it happens more often than people realize. When you are in such a state, it is so hard to think logically and you can get very paranoid. The fact that her parents refuse to accept that explanation when there is evidence she was going through something just goes to show how little people understand mental health.
It’s not even that, the family was probably just in denial of that happening, it’s natural.
Me too, the stigma is insane. I don’t even have schizophrenia or anything, but when I lived in a very abusive stressful environment I swore I could hear fights and escalations of violence when I’d be alone. I’d go downstairs fearful, to find nobody arguing, sometimes people even laughing (kinda like katelynns first 911 call mistaking the wedding reception for a fight) and I would be described very similarly as her resilient, going through a lot but stable. But appearances are deceiving and even our own minds trick us.
As a person who survived a suicide attempt, I believe that Patricia took her own life. Leading up to my attempt I would make commitments with family and friends so that I had something to live for during the week.
While I obviously can’t speak for everyone, I think that driving so far to see a new therapist and move back in with her parents caused Patricia extra stress, and driving alone in the night put her even more on edge.
Sometimes it only takes one intrusive thought to push someone over the edge.
Hope you're doing better now🫶 I've had my fair share of dark times too, I understand
3:00 the fingerprints were never analyzed?? Was there a lawsuit against the investigation because that's gross negligence
My thoughts exactly
My thoughts exactly
@@GreatScottByJoe I have a P.I. diploma. Nothing escapes me. Id love to be a defense attorney. No
evidence?? client walks. simple.
Why would people think the "sex trafficker" scenarios?
Honestly if I am out sailing and I come across a young lady marooned alone on a rock/island/lighthouse etc. The last thing I'd be thinking is "Let's rescue her and sell her to sex traffickers?" Who even knows S.Ts?
The only thing I could think of is that the kayak belonged to somebody else, out for rental, something like that. They sometimes wouldnt bother analyzing prints if they expect to find tens of hundreds. Or if the prints were incomplete and not good enough quality to analyze in the first place
I live in Connecticut and the disappearance of Sophia is not considered a mystery.
They were out doing dumb shit, after getting high, in a boat not meant for this.
They drifted off, drowned, and the little boat, more like a dinghy, washed up on LI Spund.
His body was recovered; hers was not.
There are many things that can become of a dead body in the open seas.
I could write you a list, but you can use your imagination.
They were just kids, and it’s really, really sad and a tragic loss, but boating drunk is even more dangerous than driving drunk, and EVERY KID in a costal community is made aware of this by the time he/she is in third grade.
Plus, it’s kinda common sense.
The entire state mourn Sophia and Spence’s loss, but few consider this a mystery.
Thanks for covering this sad event.
@JaimeMesChiens Agreed with you.
I don’t feel bad. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. At least they have a nice shiny Darwin Award
Facts
@@JaimeMesChiens it’s still hilarious. At least they both have nice shiny Darwin Awards
I thought the same. If you've ever been boating or sailing at night, you know.
You don’t have to have a history of mental illness to have your first psychotic break. She was right around the age when schizophrenia first presents itself in women. People try to rationalize the state of mind she was in which doesn’t work because she was behaving extremely paranoid and irrational. No one really knows what triggers the onset of schizophrenia. Whether it’s genetics, and emotionally trying time, a traumatic upbringing, brain chemistry.
Literally. It’s a episode of Schizophrenia. It’s not a disturbing call. It’s an episode she was having.
That's instantly what I thought when I heard the story. It seems very likely a Schizophrenic episode.
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According to psychology, for someone to develop a psychotic episode there needs to be 3 criteria present in their psyche.
1. a genetic predisposition toward psychosis or lack of care during their early childhood (0-5y/o) (Melanie Klein, Margaret Mahler)
2. a major traumatic event during their childhood-early puberty
3. a trigger
we don't fully know if she had a predisposition, but she had a traumatic event, and she had a trigger for the episode to happen, one can go years, even decades without presenting symptoms, but if you have this criteria you definitely can go into a psychotic episode and develop schizophrenia, she needed help.
(source: 6th semester majoring in psychology)
For the car accident case, my best bet is that she hit her head and something happened when the crash did, that caused her some type of memory loss or confusion or disorientation. She's probably lost in the woods somewhere.
@iGoldenBen doesn't change anything. I just didn't state the obvious that "lost in the woods" means sadly she's dead. I was just trying to be tactiful.
That one creeped the hell out of me
@@skyetonbo1011Just say that you didn't knew it and move on. No one likes Liars
@@ahabduennschitz7670 being tactful and being a liar are two different things, maybe you should go back to school for comprehension.
A trifle confused - Nancy Ng - they went home eight hours after the excursion. But they called the Guatemalan police 'immediately?' Or not until 24 later? So they called them from back in the US?
That stood out to me as shady. If they were not guilty they would have gone to the locals for help, not leave immediately then call the police. Granted, the local police would have held them for questioning, but usually when people are innocent they want to get help right away.
Maybe they jokingly pushed her off the kayak or something and it ended up killing her. Because obviously if she had fallen off herself or she was taken by a croc or something they would immediately get help, and why did they all look shaken up if only one of them witnessed her “going for a swim”
@@koalaplays8855 The details that were highlighted in Christina's story are interesting, and I'm not sure if it's her actual story or this channel's retelling of it. Stuff like, 'She suddenly hopped off her kayak and went to swim', then shortly after 'I warned her it was 1000 feet deep and doing that would be dangerous'. Those are the details that Christina felt apparent to make clear in her story, stuff like knowing the lake is 1000 feet deep where they are, and that she's a good person who would warn someone if it was dangerous.
Personally? I think many of the details are correct in her story. They were probably out there alone, the water was probably rough and choppy. I don't think either of these women were very skilled in a kayak, and I'd wager something might have happened where Christina's kayak collided with Nancy's, sending Nancy into the water. I'd wager neither of them had much control, and Christina was unable to save Nancy, probably watching her slip right under the currents as she herself got pushed away. Her story where she goes to track down the boat to bring it back makes zero sense at all. You hand that person a paddle if that's all you have. I don't think it was nefarious, but I do think she was unable to do it for some reason.
For the rest? I imagine it has to do a lot with legal issues and being held criminally liable. Christina probably did come back as fast as she could, but lord only knows how long that took. She probably told everyone exactly what happened. And then one of the retreat directors probably made the case that none of them wanted to end up in a Guatemalan prison, ultimately believing he would be on the hook for safety regulations he failed to enforce.
I don't suspect any foul play on the part of her death, but I do suspect a bunch of moral cowards who chose what seemed like saving their own ass over giving this young womans family closure. Just my two cents, though.
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@@evbbjones7 All plausible. Solid breakdown and theory.
In Dale's case, the intruder didn't need to know where the valuable items were because he was holding Dale hostage, so he certainly forced him to show him how to steal.
Probably murdered to
It looked quite apparent that the guy in the mask was holding something behind his back as they walked side by side and Dale looked up at the camera.
Yeah, a quarter of a million is a good chunk of change, but to drop your whole life and start again? Not to mention it would probably be even less after splitting it with masked guy. Masked guy might have been another employee that just got caught by Dale and people have killed for less. Organized crime likes to also get involved with stealing precious metals.
@@CobraCommander92 my thought is it was probably an employee that simply got away with both crimes, but consider that a quarter million back then with just raw conversion is nearly 500k today, and that's before considering that the us dollar has a lot more purchasing power in 1987.
@@CobraCommander92 - I like your theory about someone else who works there, or even better a ex employee. One that wouldn't be an immediate suspect due to time, or distance away.
Any time I hear things like "They have no history of mental illness" I think of two super important things:
1. No one in my life knew I had anxiety and depression until I was almost 30. I didn't tell anyone. And people aren't as perceptive as they like to think they are. Mental illness is easy to hide when people aren't looking for it.
2. My ex worked in the psych unit for a hospital and that is how I learned that most psychosis and schizophrenia symptoms develop in early to mid twenties. And usually are NOT predicated by previous mental illness. Unfortunately it can just...happen.
Drugs don’t help
so true,
most people who have mental illness don't show it,
that's why when people off themselves, their families always say they were the happiest, kindest person.
It's extra devestaiting to the families, because often thy blame themselves for not realizing, but these things can only really be spotted out by a professional, or someone who is going through the same thing.
actually, I'm sure you've heard the saying "the saddest people have the brightest smile" this is because they put in extra work to hide it.
just an fyi to anyone who knows someone who jokes around a lot, if they seem too happy to be true, it's probably fake
you'd be shocked to find the difference it can make to simply asked them how they are (you may wanna ask twice, since it might seem like a idle question)
the worst part isn't that they don't notice, it's that they have absolutely no understanding of it, and how terrifying it is, when they actually do find out. It becomes your reality. I had my first break sometime around 19. Im usually fine these days, but if I don't drink, or take my sero quel, I don't sleep. After 2 days of that, Im done for. Couple months ago I was involuntaried, twice..literally set the record at the hospital for how fast I came back. They released me, and "those men" were still chasing me. Within an hour I was escorted back, and couldn't understand why no one believed me when I had pictures/videos. Later when I looked at them, there was absolutely nothing on them.
I’m sure it requires a ton of work to put these videos out but they are so good I wish I had a new one every day. Love the work man!
Missing loved ones has gotta be the worst,.. the never knowing what really happened and never getting some kind of closure...R.I.P 🙏
You should scroll through one of the Nancy threads here. Some psycho emailed her family with his own personal theories
You know it’s a *chilling* day when Chilling Scares uploads.
Scary day*
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nice
This joke was so good it gave me chills.
I don't get it.
Dude jumped straight into the content we came for. No minute long sales pitch at the end. All killer no filler. Subscribed.
In the first story, she drowned. They just never found the body.
Unless she is still there 👻👻👻👻👻👻👻👻👻👻👻👻👻
She was taken by the merpeople, same ones whose fingerprints were all over the boat. And that's why the corrupt authorities didn't analyze them, because they weren't human and they are hiding these things from the masses.
Yep, the 🛶 make have cupsized on their way
She was eaten by something
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As someone with a family member with schizophrenia, it sounds like she had sudden onset paranoid schizophrenia. In my experience with said family member they were fine and then boom, they started hearing voices, having hallucinations. Even to the point of saying that someone injected them with something. drugs and stress can make the dormant illness active.
If you mean the "intruder" story, I don't think schizophrenia can reach the level of running into a river in the first episode. They said she had been stressed, but no earlier delusions. Psychotic break, yes.
"Sounds like" isn't evidence of anything.
@@simplylethulon the contrary, it can be. Especially if it's some mental issue at play that has been deeply studied.
@@Creatures1504 no, it can't, you have no idea if this person has any mental condition.
@@Creatures1504 Her own family even said she was stable and didn't have any mental conditions, so how would you know if her family said so? I mean, people on RUclips diagnosing somebody they've never met is pretty ignorant.
I remember the UM episode about Patricia Meehan, and her family stating she was a very soft-hearted person, and they guessed that on top of all her other psychological issues, the accident and the possibility she hurt another living being sent her into a complete breakdown. Thinking she had hurt someone would explain all her "stay one step ahead of the cops" behavior.
Funny thing is, it doesn't even seem like she was trying to do that. Someone trying to stay "ahead of the cops" doesn't hang out at truck stops and diners along highways. It just sounds like that's the way everything fell. It wasn't anything she was doing- she obviously wasn't avoiding police if she's hitching at places law enforcement is known to be at. She didn't even leave the region. It just happened that the people who saw her didn't realize she was "missing" until after they'd seen or talked to her. Some by weeks.
For Kayelyn Louder, it sounds like she was having a schizophrenia episode.
I had a friend who did similar stuff Kayelyn did even though none of it was actually happening.
It’s scary to see and sad to see, all at the same time.
As someone who lived in Guatemala, specifically on THAT lake- I have one other theory based on the stories the locals told me… No one should be swimming there. In fact, my student exchange program (all of us at least 18) were not allowed to do anything in the lake. Yes, it’s a very popular tourist spot. And very often, people go missing at Lake Atitlan. One morning I woke up very early, and tried to take a swim at dawn in the lake. As I was walking into the water, I heard a man who was fishing on a dock nearby scream at me as though his life depended on it. “No! Get out! Stay away. It will take you.” Is what he yelled in Spanish. I then spent the rest of that year learning everything I could about this lake. Every single one of the locals will tell you the story of “El Diablo Del Lago.” It’s hard to discern if it’s a squid, a cryptid, or something else entirely. But it’s active, very old, and very protective of its environment. I even asked a professor why we wouldn’t snorkel, paddle board, kayak- or participate in any normal lake activities. He could never give me a valid answer, and it always was vague. On our last day of the trip, I told him I knew about Diablo Del Lago. And I asked him if that’s why we couldn’t go into the lake. He told me very simply: “When all the locals say the same thing, including the drunks in the market- you do as the locals say and do.” And I did notice that absolutely no locals frequent the lake recreationally. Only for tourism money, travel from one side of the lake to the next, and fishing to sell at the local restaurants and markets.
I plan to return to Guatemala for one of my anniversaries, but I do not plan to visit this lake. While it is one of the most beautiful places I’ve ever witnessed- it is shrouded in ancient and sacred mystery.
crazy
God damn loch ness monster
Wow I love this, do you have other infos? Like leggends or something like that around the lake?
It could even be an undercurrent, some kind of eel or sturgeon. If you watch Jeremy Wade, who is a British champion fisherman, biologist, and teacher-he goes looking for these mystery creatures. His shows are EXCELLENT.
And it often is some kind of unexpected large eel-like fish behind these lake stories.
@@justkiddin84I’ve watched many episodes of Jeremy Wade , I d like to see this too
The "intruder" case was a psychotic break. An intruder wouldn't stay in her apt while she's on the phone with cops, much less lock the door behind himself (why?)
Unless her roommate was in on it.
@@Rudolf215 why would the roommate rob her own apartment
@@bambooexpress To make Kayelyn look like she is mentally unstable. What if her roommate and Kayelyn grew to dislike each other and her roommate wanted her gone. It's not far-fetched.
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5:46 So, let's say this scenario played out: Spencer went swimming after the boat, and something happened to him, he drowned. You are Sophia, stranded but with a phone. Are you really so terrified of a possible trespassing charge that rather than calling the police, you'd rather die slowly in agony in a deserted lighthouse?
Yeah, that makes no sense.
@@77Creationwhy would Austin and his dad pay for the search right away no one looked into it if they can afford an entire search then they can afford to pay people off
I Agree! Especially because Austin and his dad paid for the search that's not cheap maybe they could afford to pay off law enforcement unknown fingerprints no effort to search at all
The problem is this scenario is imagined by you with no proof. Two drunk kids drowned at night, that's the whole secret. Why are peole so dumb to imagine stupid conspiracy theories about everything.
@@Amberleigh4986 Very smart point.
wtf??? Dude describes a literal psychotic break and still calls it a mystery. Her roommate was literally there saying no one broke in. Just because you aren’t formally diagnosed or have a history of mental illness does not preclude you from having it. I’d say a lot of people are not formally diagnosed in the U.S. because mental health is a luxury expense here, sadly. I really, really, REALLY wish people researched more about psychotic breaks and mental illness when it comes to odd behavior. It’s not a mystery or “creepy” at all.
This dude is trying to say anything that was said in the case, it isn't his opinion unless he says so.
I am fairly sure he's more talking about it's a mystery how she ended up in the water. Her family is yelling crime, the cops are saying accident, the place and area are way further than you may expect even during rain.
I mean you won't ever know her exact last moments cause they weren't captured. That's the mystery of the case. Hell we got a case similar to that girl. Guy with a psychotic break. Left the hospital of his own volition, which he could cause he signed himself in. Later turned up dead in a river. Everyone just went, accident or he made the conscious choice.
Five years later we find out from some footage someone came to the cops with that the guy had attacked a bystander. The bystander punched him. And the guy fell in the water while the bystander ran away in a panic. Guy never came back up til a while later when his body was light enough to bop atop the water.
technically that's manslaughter. Causing an accidental death in a self defense situation.
For the girl? You won't know, there's no prove of what happened. Her family is never gonna know for sure what exactly happened. And the not knowing gives them space for denial about what happened. Because they'd rather blame a culprit than having to constantly question what they could have done as parents to prevent this. Even if the mental health condition is mostly genetic and invisible until later in life and they couldn't have changed the outcome. They'd still try to find a way to blame themselves. Cause an illness is not a perpetrator they can easily envision and blame.
This channel is always an insta watch for me. One of the few channels I have notifications on for
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same
I agree
Literally stopped working in the middle of a busy work day to watch.
Really hope he doesn’t talk to minors
The first story is so sad, that poor mom probably is in agony just wishing and praying she answered that photo call. It probably haunts her forever.
It would eat me alive…
Any one else almost feel weird liking these videos⁉️ on one hand you genuinely like the adrenaline from being spooked out and on the other hand you get a eerie feeling about the ppl involved in these videos‼️
what does that even mean??... you either like the video or you dont, you either think the video is good wellmade or its not, what are you talking?
You actually thought it means you like what some people do to others in videos, cause thats crazy for real, just pls stop making up weird stuff and be rational. Thats the least logical or valid statement for while.
@@PatriotGStudio it’s not that deep 😂
Yeah lol . I watch them before sleep . And then cry at night 🤣 . This videos just made me very paranoid lol but I kinda like it
No, not that weird
8:30 2nd story is sketch af. Her "friends" killed her for some reason
more likely a group of vacationers that were tangentially part of a drowning and wanted to go home and/or had nothing of interest to say to the police
The image of her decomposing body halfway out of the water...if I saw that I would never recover
Thanks for the heads up
Time Stamp?
What minute?
It doesn’t actually show an image don’t worry yall
There is a good amount of horrible things that you would probably see in this troubled world. You'd be fine.
I think Spencer and Sofias boat got loose and got away, leaving them stuck at the lighthouse, and they then decided to try to swim back to the land, resulting in both of their drowning deaths. Idk. Clearly, their judgment wasn't the greatest from he start😳
Or one swam after the boat and started struggling and the other jumped in and were drowned by the one struggling who then drowned themselves. It wasnt like they were stranded on an island in the middle of the ocean. Not sure why it was so urgent. Then again weed and alcohol was involved.
I think Spencer went first, trying to get the boat back by swimming. When he didn't get back she tried swimming back to shore. And maybe he let his phone with Sofia, which explains why she called her mom with his phone. But that doesn't explain why she didn't use her own phone, maybe she didn't bring it? Or maybe her batteries went dead.
Why would they feel the need to swim back? They've only been there a short while, they'd wait until daylight for a boat to pass nearby.
Hardly starving to death were they?
@@Coxy-b34exactly I don’t why they didn’t just wait till the day…. they had a phone and could have just chilled there and watched the sunrise with each other…
More likely that mistakes were made getting back into the boat, Sofia initially tried calling, panicked, went in the water to try to help Spencer, then they both drowned. If it's that far it wouldn't make sense to swim back in pitch black water.
5:36 My guess is that they both went into the water to get the sailboat and neither made it back.
Yeah probably
Actually I have a theory that Spencer went to get the boat but started to drown so she went to help but she drowned to
@@Kyle_XFNyes this would make the most sense imo. People drown all the time while they’re trying to rescue others already struggling in the water.
Nancy Ng's case reminds me of almost getting drown while I was kayaking. I didn’t wear a life vest, and what's worst is that I didn’t know how to swim. I was in a struggle, I grabbed on the boat, and two guys who were kayaking helped me. Almost got myself killed from an idiotic mistake.
No lengthy intros. Just straight to it. That's why I continue to watch this channel.
This stories gives me chills. Be careful guys ❤ positive vibes to everybody here 🌻
You as well be careful and positive vibes sent back ❤
9:19 poor nancy...I'm thinking that Kristina/everyone didn't attempt a rescue when she capsized or something and just tried to cover it up
The Patricia Meehan missing person case was first shown in the t.v. series "Unsolved Mysteries" in the 1990s. I cannot remember the episode season, but it shows interviews with several people that said they saw her in truck stops trying to get a ride from truckers. A waitress said that she served breakfast to Patricia,and that she seemed to be in a hurry to get somewhere.
This is one of those missing people cases that I had hoped would be solved.
25:36 I couldnt imagine walking my dog barefoot with a small tank top after thinking someone was watching me... I believe she had early schizophrenia.
you can’t imagine walking with a small tank top after being watched ? what
8:52. Her friends had something to do with it, IMO
Yeah, if she only drowned, her friends would have simply said so. Instead they were extremely shady.
Sometimes people with delusional thought disorders won’t recognize their own face. I wonder if Kayelyn was seeing her reflection in a mirror or reflected off of the windows. That’s why the “intruder” is just standing there but not saying anything because she can only hear her own voice and could also explain the stalkers she was seeing outside of her windows the night before (seeing her own reflection). My four year old once said something like, “will you shut the blinds because of the ghosts outside?” I was so confused and asked if she could see them right then, and she said yes. I looked at the window and noticed our reflections, so I waved at the windows and asked if one of the ghosts was waving at her and she said yes. 🤷♂️
Shit like delusional thought disorders dont exist omfg
26:10 definitely talking to the dog I’ve done that exact hand gesture “hurry up and go to the bathroom. It’s cold “
Who the fook runs like that too
Nancy’s case definitely needs more attention to her case!!😢
Yep 😢
I think one of the friends on the kayak knew something what happened to her but they don’t wanna say anything to the cops or the fbi
Gotta find those goons who took ages to report, seems susdy
Kayelyn for sure had a mental breakdown, she definitely was talking to someone imaginary in the video
It's just sad that neither the roommate nor the police jumped to this conclusion. She should have been brought to a psychiatrist immediately after that call.
If the person is above age and shows no signs of hurting her self or others sadly they can sign out a hospital with a simple signature@@morfy2581
Yep it’s kind of a sad story. What people with mental health issues go through. They start hearing voices or start hearing things that are not there seeing things that are not there.
Also near the end of the call you can hear her speaking but it’s the same ‘back and forth’ tone you’d use in conversation.
Remember, kids: anytime you're going to be in any kind of boat, WEAR A LIFEJACKET.
Yep!
Emergency kit, satellite phone that can reach 911, search and rescuer team
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So just kids? Adults don't have to? Cool because I didn't feel like it.
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@@2NDFLB-CLERK oh dear.... *blub blub blub*
The Nancy Ng story - I think it’s most likely the entire group witnessed her drowning and did nothing to help save her, they feel ashamed or worried about the public shaming if they admitted that. She could have even tried clinging to the side of their kayaks and they pushed her away for fear she would tip their kayaks. She ended up drowning as a result, where all were present and felt culpable. They feared having to explain, they all agreed on leaving asap and keeping quiet. It explains all of the clearly sketchy behavior without requiring some murder conspiracy.
For me, the shocking part of Patricia's story is hearing someone reference Circle, MT. I'm 1 of 5 people who's ever heard of that place, including the folks that live there.
I know of Circle, i live close to there
@@whiteyfisk9769 Alright, friend! Now let's get the other 3!
Been to Lake Atitlan in Guatemala. It's so beautiful, but you wouldn't catch me kayaking in the middle of that Lake. Even in a large boat the waters are really choppy.
For the second story I don’t feel bad for Christiana because she DID withhold information, she DID not cooperate, she DID not want to help, she IS acting shady.
Thanks!
11:10 She definitely saw something. Even if she was hypothetically trafficked and she were bribed, threatened, or forced to keep it a secret, she wouldn't seem that traumatized
She was hallucinating. It’s obvious on the phone you could hear it. There wasn’t any one in that home.
Yeah, it totally sounds like meth!!!
It’s raining today, super foggy. I’m in the perfect atmosphere for this. Let’s go.
I want to go to there.
i miss rainy weather.
I’m so jealous. That’s my fave weather. It barely rains here in boring sunny Colorado
@@iheartshaneandjeffree I live in Vancouver so it’s basically always this weather. I love it so much.
The story about Nancy Ng was just weird and sad because Christina literally paddled off to leave Nancy in the deep end in her attempt to get help. Also the group is shady as well, not even batting a eye about Nancy not being with them
I feel like maybe they were rough housing or playing a prank or something along those lines and she accidentally drowned
She paddled off to immediately go get help but before that she tried to get Nancy her Kayak. Unless you are a trained life guard, it is advised you don't try to jump in and help people. Seems like Christina did the best she could to get her something to grab onto and then go get help.
@@darthInsaniusyou’re as naive as the American public is towards their government
I wonder if Christina had a life jacket, and if so she could have tossed it to her.
@@Tampafan33 What does this even mean, bud?
Do you have any evidence or reason to doubt her telling of events or do you just spout out conspiracies and fanfic for everything?
I'm amazed by the amount of people who don't wear life jackets when boating on the water. People greatly overestimate their ability to swim or tread water for any length of time. It's hard.
Patricia's parents say that she had no history of substance/alcohol abuse but they demand she see a shrink before she's allowed back home?! What for?
I dont think someone needs to have substance/alcohol abuse to have mental health issues.
Yeah super duper dick move. It seems the parents made it clear they weren't especially interested in "dealing" with whatever troubles she had. Very offputting. I'm quite sure that's what caused Patricia's behavior and disappearance.
How is that related lol
This was my thought too. If there wasn't some background of issues, the parents wouldn't have immediately jumped to you need therapy before you can come into the house
@@kaitaylor2989 Does not equal to substance abuse. I was in therapy all my life for ptsd anxiety separation anxiety and depression lol
the second one is really strange and creepy. WHY they act so weird ?? just why was that needed ?? only if they had to cover someone, out of fear or guilty reasons ?? I don't say they did it, but to be so silent, leaving the country all together and not choose to speak for so long is all very, very weird and suspicious.
same.i have to agree on the parents.they want answer from Christian
Most likely the Asian drowned and the other people thought they’d be charged for her drowning and be kept in Guatemala so they left asap.
@@taquitobandito6054 ...Nancy you mean?
@@taquitobandito6054they reported it 24 hours after the fact, they were out of the country after 8 hours. They would also be charged with murder (if they had done it) regardless if they went back to their country because the law still applies (especially murder, that’s just global)
So the only people we're believing is the people who owned the business? Kind of funny to me that because you just heard someone say in a RUclips video that "these 2 people said they looked nervous and left quickly" that you just accept that as fact, without any other verification or anyone else saying "yes, this is what happened". Police didn't verify that. And who has something to lose? A bunch of folks- who don't know each other at all, btw- on a kayak trip in a foreign country or the people who own the business this happened at? And I'm not trying to place blame on the owners either- I'm just encouraging people to ACTUALLY LISTEN to what info was given (which wasn't much) and maybe use a tiny bit of common sense when applying some critical thinking. What makes you think that 10 people who are all unrelated and only met a day or 2 before would suddenly be all "sure, we'll cover up this death you caused. None of us have a conscience and we totally won't get in trouble if we get caught lying for you, person we just met"?
As for the one girl not talking to the family- I would do the same and so would most of you, if you weren't so eager to turn everything into a drama series. What is one thing you know about people who have had a loved one die? All are looking for someone to blame. And you should all also know that no matter what you say or how you act, there will be plenty of folks who make decisions about your "guilt" based on absolutely asinine things. You should know because a ton of you are doing exactly that and do it on other cases as well. You just haven't put yourself in that place yet. Or if you have, you automatically believe that everyone will see your words and actions as "the right ones" and just have sympathy for you. Sorry buddy, that's not at all how it goes. You'd be raked across the coals and accused of things you couldn't imagine, all because you couldn't cry at the "right" time or because you say X instead of Y because that's just how you talk.
I'm amazed at the amount of people who genuinely think "I don't know any of these people or what's going on, better doxx, harass and send death threats to this complete stranger" is a reasonable way to go through life.
Most people are really not all that smart and the fact that they’re not that decent either makes matters worse. We have an epidemic of stupid sociopaths.
Even if they’re being 100% honest about what happened, no one will ever know what happened to Nancy, her family will never have a body to bury. All because of choices they made.
same, people on the internet are really scary, none of them feel any remorse or anything about what they do, they're hidden behind their screen and just harass other. worse is that they still believe they're good people
Im wondering it's those younger generations, just hate and judgement, no real understanding of life and what it will throw at all of us. But remember it's maybe because they are so awake!! 😮😂❤
@@pyechoshaha that is so true, it's like they say something they think is moral so therefore they are! Lol! ❤😂
15:31 the eyes, that caught me off guard... I don't think she was mentally stable at the time and that's why the odd request to stay with her parents... Hope she can be located someday
My theory is that Nancy was maybe push by accident and the others saw and Fell in the water and couldn’t get out . Maybe that’s why the others were being weird about the situation idk just my theory .
I agree it's the only real like theory that makes sense, doxxing is wrong and but it's not wrong of the parents being suspicious about everyone involved that day especially Christine, I understand what a lawyer does but the fact that she won't even tell the police or a private person about the event is worrying. Staying silent can either be good for you but bad for others
Wtf. Pushed?
@@fatdoggolovespizza yes pushed into the water and it’s deep water and she couldn’t get out .
@@fatdoggolovespizza Yes, and in, playfully pushed, or as they call it elsewhere, "rough housing." Friend groups, especially among very young people, do this kind of thing all the time, even during situations where they should know better. It's just recklessnes, not necessarily malice.
Every building in Connecticut is the creepiest building in the state.
It’s such a beautiful state, though, but it does have a dreamy sometimes creepy feel.
especially in that area! whole area is just intensely haunted somehow lolc
Why is it so? Just genuinely curious.
I like how chilling scares doesn’t ask for subscribers he just starts the video and when the video ends he doesn’t ask for any. This is why I love this channel
Yes🎉the clout and money begging is so ridiculous
5:18 Why couldn't they have just been flipped out of the boat by a sudden wake, rough water, or losing their balance? They both fell out of the boat, they both drowned, his body was found, hers wasn't. Why does it have to be some complicated conspiracy? The shirt was left there because he didn't care about it and the fingerprints were probably from a random passerby that checked out the boat out of curiosity. It's simple. Why does it have to be something nefarious and not just an accident like the report says? I really don't understand.
what about the missed calls that her mom got?
Or he tried swimming after the boat that became unmoored, didn’t come back for a while, and she tried swimming either after him or back to shore. If they were both trollied on drugs and alcohol, it’s a recipe for disaster with swimming in deep water. Her body could be anywhere. Plenty of people drown in rivers, lakes and the sea and are never found.
@@colinconboy5726 Butt dials while they were partying.
Can you cover Nara pech ? He was killed in an airport and no one knows who did it ….. such a creepy and interesting case
250k of pure platinum in 1986 would have been about 42lbs. BUT the volume of that material is about the size of two typical water bottles. Accounting for the material being tubing; if the platinum tubes take up about the same space as a 24 pack of water (12x more volume), there’s no way that bag didn’t contain the security guard’s body :( Which I know is the obvious conclusion.
bruh its material containing, made out of platinum. As i understood. Dale is a G. 😂
Nahh this was a incide job..
Mask man knows how and where.
Was a plan till mask man decide kills hes partner
@@panchito1384 Yes, mask man knows how and where *because* he had a hostage he coerced.
Not too far off but not quite. I live here where it happened. Not far from the plant actually. I believe all pf the initial reports/police reports stated that it was either 26 or 27 pounds. I can't recall which. Other way, it's a one pound difference.
But you're correct on the other part, and your general point. I've always believed that bag contained his body. Most people here believe that. It seems so obvious for a host of reasons. I don't even understand why some people say like "it may have contained his body." It seems quite clear.
Dale was a victim. Not a criminal.
He looked at camera for help
I'm guessing that the masked guy was already working there, or previously worked there and Dale recognised his voice and then the thief couldn't set him free.
I remember seeing Dale's case years ago on Unsolved Mysteries. Yeah, I have always believed that he was probably a victim. If he had participated in the inside job, then it wouldn't explain why he was never seen nor heard from again.
Even if he was in on it at the beginning doesn't mean he made it out at the end. I've seen speculation on other channels that he may have ended up in one of the furnaces
Yeah I agree. Looking at a camera is instinctual if you know where they are and in danger. I used to work retail and when we got robbed, we briefly looked at the cameras. The cops even commented this to us after they reviewed the footage that all 4 of us looked at the camera at different times.
@@OhBooDit does seem he’s looking for help- but the masked intrude walks exactly like Dale.
Yo Chilling jw to say your channel is def the best. Your story telling ability combined with the no nonsense approach is just perfect. Chefs kiss status ya know. Thanks for all the good videos my man