WORLD FINALS PREVIEW / T1 shifts the meta / Western team ROSTER RUMORS - Summoning Insight S6E41
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- The show begins with reactions to the semi-final matches and an in-depth breakdown of the high-level series played between T1 and JDG, ending the latter team's attempt at completing the first Golden Road in League of Legends history. Thorin and Monte preview the finals and discuss how Weibo might hope to defeat the T1 juggernaut in a meta the Korean team has defined, but the opportunity appears slim. They chat about the variety of roster moves rumored for LCS and LEC teams, including G2's former members regrouping under Heretics' banner.
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Summoning Insight is the longest-running, most viewed League of Legends esports podcast in the world. Each week, hosts Christopher "MonteCristo" Mykles and Duncan "Thorin" Shields break down the most exciting matches from LEC, LCS, LCK, and LPL as well as interviewing professional players, coaches, casters, and journalists from around the world.
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0:00:00 - Intro + predictions
0:06:11 - Petty grievances
0:16:16 - Immediate thoughts on the matches
0:38:05 - T1 vs JDG
0:58:40 - WBG and Caedrel
1:07:06 - The Golden Road + future of JDG and T1 rosters
1:17:32 - Grand Finals preview + current event MVP's
1:27:01 - Lower bracket + Bard
1:43:27 - Roster moves
2:17:38 - Discord Subscriber questions
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Questioning Fakers champion pool is sacrilege
They really think Faker is forced to only play 3 champs instead of just deciding to play the best champs.
He is supposed to play weaker champs just to prove that he has a big champ pool. It’s not like he has 80 unique champs played in his career
As a big time Keria fan, I really hope T1 win and they are big favourites, but the same thing was said last year, and T1 have a track record of choking in finals. I hope they can break that curse.
Curse broken, enjoy brother!
I used to watch this podcast in the past but since its worlds I got back for the hype and I gotta say it's amazing the amount of effort, work and pure talent to talk for 3h non-stop. You guys are so good at what you do.
That early ogn memory of the cone hats was one of the best moments on this podcast 😂
When you guys talked about 90s coming back I just instantly thought of a guy at my bar (I work as a bartender here in norway) unironicly wearing JNCOs, I didnt know they even made JNCOs anymore, but there he was, pockets big enough to put a whole ass SNES in it if he wanted too.
Kanavi thought he was still playing at the asian games when he faced T1 😂
not funny at all. that's disrespectful.
Ye, the disrespect on Kanavi is insane. What Kanavi did those series is what Oner was doing for 60% of the year. Its just that Kanavi happened to run it in one of the most important moments
@@alexanderatanasov5837 lets be fr if we werent jdg fans itd be extremely funny to watch the balveth game
yea, its really disrespectful of kanavi to int game 4 away and ruin his teams chances at the golden road@@andresjeong1460
1:35:48 ...that is really uncool, man. You're making fun of someone who shared their sincere feelings and experience... via automatic translation. If they said "I will always support Faker. He was the first professional gamer to acknowledge me as a new eSports reporter." ...'cause I can almost guarantee that's what he said... but it was translated. By a machine. That's really mean of you to make fun of them and their story just because they're trying to share something that isn't written in a way that's really well formed.
If keria pops off he deserves MVP 100% for a support to be the best in the world, this is the level of dominance they would have to have, if we dont reward it now its just never going to be rewarded
Faker is mvp or Zeus. Keria good, bht nowhere near those two good. Stop glazing a support player doing his job.
Omg support can play non traditional supports, wow congrats he is a slightly above average player
Call me next time a support literally invents a metagame that is so dominant in his region to the point that Riot has to nerf an entire suite of champions out of the support role. Look at the start of the tournament what adcs people thought were good, only Keria forced the bot lane meta to change. The Xayah Kaisa prio is totally gone. Because of him, T1 walked into their last two games with a huge advantage. Even if all players had played equal, the meta shift that Keria caused benefits his team uniquely more than anyone else, because he was the best at it, and they have the most practice on it.
But yeah, every pro does this it's not special at all. zzzz @@prestoiidx
@poetrollem326 if you think the meta shift is because of his play then you're balls deep on t1 cock, people have been playing all kinds of picks bot for years, he is just a player enabled by his team, anybody with eyes can tell he isn't anything special, if someone were to be impressed by him, that'd just suggest they themselves aren't good and aren't capable of it, even regular shit becomes impressive in the eyes of a bronzie. Probably just another bullied t1 zoomer who is probably kerias height (4 feet) and that's why you're gargling his midget cum
@@poetrollem326 invent💀. Dude is playing fking adc bc its broken asf. Calm down buddy. Nothing too crazy at all
Before the match, the two X-factors I had coming into the series was Knight and Keria that were the players who could ultimately decide the fate of the series. Turned out Knight was completely outperformed by Faker and he had no real impact in this series while Keria's Bard was huge when it came to T1's victories. Also had the prediction after T1 lost to Gen G in spring finals that T1 wasn't gonna win anything until Worlds this year. I've been rooting for T1 since 2021 worlds and boy was this a journey. T1's consistency is surely proving that yes you can indeed rely on talent from your own scouting system to breed new players and make them the stars they are today.
this was from a chinese post, so credit to them:
knight the left hand is very strong (knight's left handedness is constantly alluded to by chinese fans)
maxes W (shroud) with akali in game 1
to go invisible for the Bo5
'Thorins Faker to Empereor of Man 40k ref. way to good 😂
1:33:25 actually Duke who played on SKT is the first to win worlds on 2 teams. He won in IG that year.
I mean it counts but does it REALLLY count 🤣🤣
yes @@suunnz
@@Rayon811 No
idk if he ever took anything or not, but I would say that the most realistic look/physique for a historical prize fighter/gladiator/knight/warrior would be the Fedor Emelianenko body type. Big & strong muscles plus great mobility but with a healthy amount of body fat on top of that.
Low key the Damacia Cup format where you can't pick the same champion twice in a series is pretty good, peak League is fun but when you have Zeri/Lulu against Aphelios/Yummi every game for 6 months then peak League looks pretty boring xD
He really just compared Crisp to Keria in the beginning 😂
Worlds needs to adopt Valorant Champions format. GSL groups and double elim playoffs. Its a shame to see GENG only play 1 bo3 & 1 bo5 and go home.
why would you wanna watch anymor of GenG theyre dogshit
Even if you drag the whole cometition for long, I think they are still forced to play against LPL teams and the result may just be the same, and simultaneously the feeling as a GenG fan would be coming into the tourney
@@gabsterrivera5674 you think but you cant know because they didnt play in this empty 6 days until finals, thats the whole point.
I think that could work to determine one version of ascertaining the "best" team but it would break from the difficulty of worlds. It's a one shot best in the meta/ all metas in the moment tournament. More about surprise and nerves and the " it takes a whole year to get here" feeling and it may be their last. Reminds me of the final stages of the world cup. Much harder to win but not a guarantee that it's the absolute "best" team that comes from a whole season of play and chances. Different kind of best. However, it can overlap with seasonal success, msi success etc. but as JDG showed us, that's extremely hard to pull off.
I like the stakes of single elim just make Swiss more b03
I still contend that watching any one of these shows with Thorin and taking a shot every time he says “the joke is” would lead to death.
That or taking a shot when he interrupts Monte RIGHT as Monte is making a very insightful point. It's never when Monte is saying random shit, it's always when I really wanna hear what he says, and often Monte doesn't go back and finish his sentence 😢.
@@hardlo7146 I get why he does it, he probably wants to say what’s on his mind at that given moment before he loses it, but let monte finish sometimes man jeez
"spoiler: -"
or take a shot every time he says the most surface level league take there is/ repeating what monte just said in a different way
Hey guys, chill! I love the way Thooorin talks, shit cracks me up, he might repeat what Monte says sometimes, but says it in a funnier way, and it's honestly why I enjoy his commentary
Supposedely, Elyoya wants Melzhet as a requierment for him to stay in the team. Does not mean mad wanted to kick Mac
Melzhet and Mac can't stay together so wanting Melzhet implies that he doesn't want Mac
Also, Elyoya is probably sick of two years of mediocrity
@@rupok90 yes. I meant from the point of the org
It's turn out JDG is the only LPL team that can even get 1 game out of T1. Weibo folded like a paper smashed by hydraulic press
its actually crazy for often underdogs win.
3:16:45 A short side-note on those ARAM changes. They proof that Riot is willing to engage with the concept on a surface level but not seriously because they are actually just horrible.
So you have champions that deal 90% damage. Then you have champions that takes 90% damage. That is obviously insane because it results in an interaction where one champion only deals 81% damage to another. Same is true for 110% damage dealt VS 110% damage taken, resulting in 121% damage taken. And there are champions that have both of these interactions going. Or worse.
In addition there is a debuff that reduces damage taken past a certain range by up to 30%. So including that a champion like Ziggs deals as low as 57% damage with his Q to someone like Zeri. All while taking 132% from her.
The dankest timeline if the T1 curses exist and they manage to lose to Weibo 2-3 somehow. Depends on how much ego they play with since "Weibo" are the worst Asian team not named DWG.
WBG won their bracket so at least better than GenG and BLG. An argument could also be made that they’re better than KT and LNG given their forms in quarters. I put WBG as the 3rd-4th best asian team below T1 and JDG, and maybe KT/LNG.
@@feiyu8817 No. People retroactively changing the narrative so that WBG is now good is actually so mental. WBG made finals at worlds, congrats to them but they did only beating BLG. They literally did not beat any other Asian team at worlds.
DRX 2.0 electric boogaloo
@@feiyu8817theyre better than LNG but KT had a close series vs JDG as well. They are 4th imo
@@feiyu8817 its a game of rock paper scissors where T1 can lose to GenG easily while GenG can choke to anybody
its absolutely hilarious how all the western casters are crying that the 2ADC bottom-heavy snowballing meta falling into T1’s lap is the reason they’re suddenly winning, when in fact the exact opposite happened this game. The weaknesses of adc support were exposed in games 2-3, and JDG actually had a much better bottom lining phase in all of the games, while T1 was the team winning out in the 4v4s and 5v5s. T1 beat JDG at their greatest strength (late teamfighting), and these salty-ass casters have the nerve to whine about T1 being lucky because of the meta 😂😂
True.
If Kanavi didnt int gane 4we woud have goten a game5 whit SKT on blue side and they woud still have a bigger chanse to win whit how well they did the teamfights and how JDG where fucking up.
@@stefankatsarov5806without kanavi jdg aint winning game 2
@@stefankatsarov5806also he tried to get Faker but he Flashed and he was nowhere to go since if he goes to left Ori and him gonna get caught since Oner is there he just underestimated that damage of Azir with Raba
Preach brother. They want Kanavi to take all the blame. Ruler did shit with his lead in game 4. Missed his autoattacks, non existent in team fights and getting caught out. 369 getting countered and giving Zeus free Aatrox. This is not solely on Kanavi.
exactly
"Omg I can't believe he actually won that duel!"
This is do or die for Perkz now - if he fails here, then that's it... the magic is gone.
vetheo could have won worlds and redditors would still pick perkz over him. it doesn’t matter if he fails, his name is worth more than any amount of play when it comes to appeasing plebs (which lec orgs are wont to do)
Unfortunately the magic has already been gone for years . His last good year was when he played AD carry for G2. Went downhill after that. I think he could work better in a coaching role now, since he is a good team leader.
@@stephanschoonwater1481he switched back to mid when adc mythics were introduced lol
The "magic" was already gone when he left G2. I would prefer if he becomes coach, scout for new talents or something like that.
@@ShadowlSome of it whas there in C9 but that was it.
I honestly don't think T1 will change if they win because Keria is the only none homegrown talent there all the rest grew up in the t1 system even their coach if I remember correctly oner literally named himself after t1(I am not 100 percent sure if this is true heard it on the broadcast) even then they all were pretty open about how much they love their teammates and the org as a whole to them the only thing making them want to leave is winning a world championship and if they do I don't see where they would go.
The teams have to prep for the match though, right? You can't make them play on a band. They are still humans, they have to rest. It's an extreme pressure to play these high stakes series
the DX reference though
I'm going to be honest. There was a period of time where I didn't like these two, based on the negative connotations they had within the community. But now, I absolute love listening to them. They are both very entertaining, and also great in terms of how knowledgable they are about the game. Plus there's an excellent dynamic going on here too. Love this, and thanks guys for the Worlds coverage 🙏🙏
It's about growing old, many of the younger generation really hated them when league started but as those teenagers matured everyone can laugh about how immature their behavior was back then.
They are only being positive now since their LPL bias got demolished but in normal day basis they re still toxic fckers
Iwd and Thorin are the 2 most negative people in the whole league scene. There is a reason why a lot of people disliked them and still do
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I didn't like monte in 2015 but then I changed my view. Still can't stand Thorin, I watch for montes view and try to skip thorins "rants"
I played 3v3 hockey, and had way for fun than when I played 5v5
at around 19:30 you said he only played 3 champs and that it never happened before, but I think the last Worlds he won he basically only played Ryze and Cassiopeia. Can't remember if he objectively only played those two but he basically only played them until Finals.
Go and check, if not then its a usles coment.
Since the idea is he dosnt have a single game of another champion outside of 3.
It's kinda irritating that he brings that one issue up over and over again when most WORLDS winners barely had 3 to 4 champs they picked whole tournament especially likes of CROWN with MALZAHAR and ZIKA with his SYLAS/AKALI, what does MONTE want? FAKER picking VAYNE and getting trolled for picking non meta pick then losing the series in process? Everyone would demand FAKER getting sacked if that happens lol
@@Sivzram Yea honestly the limited champion pool seems to do more with the current mid meta than anything else. Orianna, Neeko (perma ban) > Azir > Syndra/Taliyah with Sylas and Akali for counterpicks. Why would Faker play anything else besides Oriana and Azir when they have clearly been the best. Faker has been playing so long with a lot of different champs through different meta that limited champion pool doesn't seem like an issue to bring up. But it would be interesting to see what Faker will go toward if WBG ban Azir on blue side and force Orianna ban or first pick Orianna and Sylas isn't a good pick due to draft.
@@davidyang5187 I know he has some games on AKALI and some other Champs just in case if WBG Target ban him tbh
Although his AZIR and ORI is S tier in current meta so it will be hard for him without them so let's see
I still pick T1 over WBG just because ZEUS is more consistent than THESHY
@@davidyang5187 Knight played 7 and only won on 4, I'd take getting to finals on 3 the whole tournment over playing 7 and losing on nearly half of them
G2 wasn’t the closest to the golden road. 2015 T1 was one game away. So it’s not a fact lmaooooo
that heartbreaking game 5 against EDG. But the thing is those who won first the tournaments before the Worlds and G2 is the closest team ever.
@@jhonmichaelberina8960 Sure if you want to qualify it but factually its just not true because SKT 2015 was one game away
@@crymoreyes they were not. their Goden road ended at MSI. doesnt matter they won the tournaments after
@@crymoreyes yes but no, because SKT golden road ended as soon as they lost MSI, so there wasnt any narrative about it in summer and worlds, unlike G2 and JDG, and no, im not saying G2 or JDG are better than 2015 skt, because i assume your going to go that road, im just saying, G2 and JDG were closer
@@TheTdg97 don’t care who was better. I personally think this JDG was better by far than both. But just factually in retrospect SKT was closest
Thorin is completely wrong in saying “JDG played worse in fights thats why they lost in game 3, 4”
Im not being a korean homer here. Go actually slow down and break down all the fights that T1 won.
JDG players did not make mistakes. T1 players just played out of their goddamn minds.
Just accept the fact that T1 was a better team that day. It doesnt mean that overall T1 is greater. It just means T1 was the better team that day. JDG overall didnt play badly.
Totally fucking agree with your conclusion! I fully admit T1 was the better team than JDG on that day! PERIOD!
Hell, I can even admit T1 was the best team in quarterfinals! Because they clearly cracked and redefined the MATA!
But to deny JDG all year performances out of 1 series is idiotic!
Flame Horizon is in the game btw, as a token
BDS kicking Crownie is absolutely insane to me.
Carzzy will probably replace him
1:33:20 Duke technically won worlds on 2 different teams 2016 SKT and 2018 IG. BeryL is the only one to do it as a starter tho
Duke is a 2018 world champion just like Haru or Juhan are world champions
Great episode boys
I want T1 to win worlds, but I have been dissapointed time and time again to the point while logically they should be the favorites this time around for sure but I don't see them winning. Hopefully I am wrong! I was wrong about LNG and JDG beating them.
Damn, lots of hate comments to drive engagement up today. Keep it up!
You guys will be surprised by Melzhet, 2015 Deilor vibes
"Somehow, BeryL returned."
13:19 thorin mentions that flame horizon is still mentioned on broadcast but fails to mention that it's also an in-game accolade. riot acknowledge the dopeness of the term.
Would love a format/circuit summary.
Yes I would love them to do a proper breakdown of their ideal world's, even with visual aids so we can actually see it, as well as their ideal circuit for league. Probably something like what Dota 2 has would be best.
Gilius example so accurate
You know something. The Shy and Crisp who won worlds in 2018 and 2019 on FPX and IG, they never went through Faker or T1. Thought it was interesting to note.
G2 were LCK killers like T1 are the LPL killers
They have played T1 just not at worlds
Cause that was G2 dominant era knocking out T1.
About game 4, if Keira ulted earlier in level 6 skirmish, T1 would already taken over the game! Because JDG won’t have lead over T1 coming into the mid game
1:48:30 LS clearly didn't watch Crownshot at Worlds. All I'll say is he did sub-par in summer, nothing to write home about and then was a non-factor in every game at worlds as if his team was 4v5 and every time with him never joining the match.
1:35:55
Monte looked right into my soul and yelled at me for being a dirty ARAM only player
I hate that ARAM is diffrently balanced so for me that wasnt the best argument. But gonna say just balance just for Pro is 100% what I want so you got me there :D
Waiting a week for a final in a computer game is a fucking Joke, Should have been Friday SF1, Saturday SF2, Sunday FINAL.
The football example is really weird, there are lots of amateur clubs playing to the same rules as the pros. Although the level is far lower, but nevertheless the rules are the same
i dont think game 4 was close, Ti had late game renata, JGD had a caster minion ashe...
Any plat level player would realize how disguisting that game would be for JDG,f uckin renata making everyone unburstable.
it looks close based on gold diff but it definitely didn't feel like close at all with how T1 keeps winning teamfight lol
I agree with Monte, Oner and Faker are far and away the MVPs so far. Disagree with Thorin's take that Keria is in contention as well. Just because of the adc supports? Effectively his adc picks haven't impacted at all in games, in fact he's barely even played it - only two Ashe games, one being a loss, and he can't even hit arrows.
Oner and faker are srsly the MVPs of the series!
Even tho T1 made mistakes and gave JDG chance to get ahead at the beginning in both game 3&4, but Oner and faker were able to make game changing plays in critical moments! MVP deserved!
And yeah, KERIA as ash asnt really good at Arrow prediction ! But other champion he played were really good!
Shows you lack understanding of you don’t realize the reason why Keria is so crucial. His supports picks have literally warped the entire meta at this worlds and have given t1 draft advantage over every lpl team in every game. That’s the impact keria has been having on this tournament run and why he was so highly praised in spring g
Just gonna ignore keria bard 1v9’ing in multiple different games against multiple different teams. 2 of those games the pick completely shut down ‘the best team in the history of lol’
I don’t know how faker could be in contention. He was the reason they were behind in some of those games where he made big plays. And really, catching Ruler on Azir was the only “big play” that he made. The rest were just him taking advantage of great plays by the rest of the team, in particular Keria and Oner. Oner played fantastic. Faker was invisible during the early game. Knight was more effective on the map, his team just failed the mid/late game:
I'll see your "only plays ARAM" and raise you a "Only plays vs Bots"
faker has played 3 and made it to finals, knight played 7 and only won on 4 champions and got knocked out in semis, who cares the number of champions someone plays as long as they win?
>didn't watch the lpl
@@AleXoEx0 Clearly I was talking about worlds and not regional. Oh and look faker played 5 and won on 5 at worlds which is more than knight won on at worlds.
They said the same thing for BLG and LNG when they made uncharacteristic plays during their match against T1. Did they really played bad in that series compared to all their games or is T1 just that good that the LPL got exposed? It can't be a coincidence that LPL seed # 1-3 all randomly played bad against T1.
It's not that they played bad(well, LNG did, they looked extremely trash), it's just that T1 looked way ahead on the meta and drafts. They also had the hands to convert that lead into a win.
Like, the T1 fans who disrespect the LPL teams calling them overrated disrespect their own team indirectly
@@alexanderatanasov5837 why can't both be true? going 11-1 is quite a sample size
1:12:00 Oh, don't play with my emotions like this. T1 Deft ❤️
it would ruin T1 lmao ruma clears so fucking hard any day of the week
@@jasonc3303 average 2 brain cell t1 zoomer fanboy
Guma is the most loyal T1 player of all time since Faker
He wants to be the face of them.
If T1 wanted Deft they should’ve signed him in 2018. Ever since they got Teddy they couldn’t upgrade.
Deft would int any of T1's chances of winning another title away
Holy shit the disrespect towards T1. "Meta falls right into their lap" lmao as if they didn't figure out and create that meta themselves and it just magically appeared from the sky. I know you guys are biased af (still thinking Kiin is a good pickup) but come on give some credit to the players ffs
Teams just figured out the meta that is perfect for T1 stop barking
The west will always have the Doublelift flash lmao
How can you talk smack about Gumayusi after he 1v2 369 on Aatrox and Ruler on Zero. A play I couldn't imagine was a possibility as ADC. That was so dirty and so important to win it all
His Jhin game was played near perfection with his team. He just made a mistake mid during the teamfight.
His Kalista game was great, he was left alone in lane and still came back. And his last teamfight was good. Unlike Ruler who kept getting caught that game.
I don’t understand how people can keep criticizing Guma over and over when he’s been the best adc at worlds for 3 years in a row. Not even Uzi has done that.
@@aaawa2074 Because he is cocky and people are DESPERATE for any reason to disrespect him. If you look at the past 3 years starting from 2021 he's easily in contention with Ruler and Viper for being the best performing ADC period.
Gumayushi is probably the most underated player for 2 years in a row. IThe way he plays (especially when you see his proview/stream) is really really impressive from an adc perspective. Ppl sleeping on him for no reasons tbh
I think Zeus is a hard lock to stay on T1, even when Faker was out he was the star on the team and he's been looking absolutely insane recently, while also remembering that he has now reached back to back world finals in his second full year of pro play. Oner is the most likely to be out imo, has looked really good at worlds but looked the most lost without Faker. I think in terms of raw skill, T1 would rather Keria, but from my western perspective the fanfare surrounding Guma is something T1 would value, and Guma over a 5 year period is probably only second to Peyz in the LCK.
Also on the MVP note, I think I would have to give it to Zeus if they win. He's just been thrown down the gauntlet of Bin, Zika, 369, and TheShy. Bin and 369 were the universally accepted 1st and 2nd best laners in the world and he gapped both of them, and also gapped Zika who has looked EXTREMELY good in the LPL. The fact that T1 has not had to deal with any of these top laners taking over the game like they do against everyone else, including each other, has made their run much easier.
Somehow Peyz is better than Guma after only 1 year and drastically underperforming at Worlds? If you meant Ruler, yes. Peyz looked terrible with Aphelios for some reason with bad weapon timing which lost them key fights against BLG.
I don't disagree with Zeus but its really hard to pick MVP just because how well everyone performed on T1 at this moment. Faker would likely get it though based on his popularity and saving a few games that they likely would have lost as long as he keeps performing.
@@davidyang5187 I'd personally still put Guma over Peyz, but I said over the next 5 years and with how Peyz looks in his rookie year, I can only assume he will take the crown and probably end up as the best AD in the world. I think Ruler is the best in the world but I rate Guma higher than most, I think if he had a good Zeri he'd be tied with Ruler for me so he's second. I'm also happy to see Faker get MVP, he's been a rock all tournament, it's just extremely impressive to me what Zeus has been able to do against the caliber of competition he has!
@@squidca2455 ruler cant play cait nilah draven samira senna vayne jhin. He also suck on varus literally solo lose the game 3. Ruler is nowhere near as good as Gumayusi.
@@888-4-8 his varus won worlds, he has a career 80% wr on jhin, no recent ADC's are playing vayne, and his senna is literally better than guma's. This is coming from a guma fanboy. Guma is better at Draven/Samira/Nilah and cait. Guma was def better in the best of 5 but ruler has looked like the best player in the world all year and we can't just forget that after 4 games.
@@squidca2455 ruler solo lose the game 3 because he cant play varus and his positioning is garbage. He won worlds with varus because of ardent meta, enchanter and carried by Ambition. Gumayusi's varus destroyed this clown ruler without ardent and enchanter. Ruler didnt play senna jhin because he knows he sucks. Even his xayah and zeri are no match against Gumayusi the best ad carry in the world. You are the most delusional ruler fanboy.
Thorin/Dom when T1 doesn't win a final - oh they choked, weren't the better team, were never good, etc etc.
when JDG can't win - oh excuses, they just didn't show up on the day, T1 got lucky, etc instead of just saying they weren't the better team and couldn't handle the pressure. They couldn't adapt to a meta change and got exposed hard. JDG relied on a similar meta style to win throughout the year + LPL top teams were not as good as people said they were.
If JDG is the "best team ever seen", then being able to handle pressure, adapt to meta changes, win worlds should be there and they did none of that.
KCBOOOOOOOOOOO lil bro has 10K viewers on stream now lol
true crisp heimer xD
xD and Ruler is stil best when he got shiton by guma//// jezzz
same like for IWD 369 is best top lane and he got smashed by zeus. And nobody even mention in 1 word that.
wtf dom suddenly has a beard and he needs to take pills now?????
I think double elim is great, but there needs to be a benefit of going through winner's bracket.
Not something as extreme as a runback like in FGC, but something.
If a team wins all the way through winner's bracket and the loser's bracket team just peels through losers and comes back for a 2nd try, I think it's rather unfair.
100 % agree and I’ve been saying this for years
FPX 2021 got robbed 2 LPL trophies because of that. They were clearly the better team but one team could just run the lower bracket and have a 2nd chance.
Same thing happened this spring for T1, they were clearly better than GEN. And proved it at MSI.
If the winners bracket team doesn’t get a run back. They should make it a bo7 and give a free win to the upper team.
So the winners bracket team has to win 3 games and the losers bracket team has to win 4.
It would only add 1 game at worst. I think the players can handle playing 6 games.
@@aaawa2074 Bo5 is fine but winner bracket getting a 1 win is enough already and a coin toss on side selection.. so loser need to win 3 time while winner just need to win 2
@@nirvash241 a potential 2 games final would be tragic ngl
1:33:24 he forgot duke
I think they lost their shirts in semi final. Oopsi
Fun fact: Apparently Kanavi doesn't know how to play against Bard. At Worlds 2020, there was a game against Suning where he wasted 2 Herolds vs Bard ults. The guy is a joke.
Yet for 3-4 years straight, he is always in contention for best jungler in the world. Sure
He's had great rosters around him throughout his entire career, yet he has never been the difference maker when it comes to the big games (except maybe Spring 2020). He is a reliable player for the entire year, but never count on him to step up when it matters most.
I thought it was IWD next to Monte with all these LPL glazing and T1 bashing Thorin was spewing.
He is the same as IWD, maybe a tad less obvious than IWD, but they are both noticeable T1 deniers.
Both of them obviously like the Lpl which is fine but them constantly ridiculing Korean fans and people within the lck scene and making fun of them is getting really annoying.
@@user-im8gq2xz9z
They dont like T1 fans.
But Monte has rediculed korean fans too, dont you remember the all pro stuff.
Also Thorin and IWD praised T1 alot, but i gues they have to glaze T1 and never mention Kanavi inting game 4 and if they dint they just hate on T1.
O and we cant mention the fact that T1 has choking problems.
@@stefankatsarov5806 I don't care if they praise T1 or not I just don't like it when they are actively being toxic to the fans or people in the lck scene like how Thorin made fun of the reporter from korea for no reason
@@user-im8gq2xz9zcmon bro.
You can always just put the recommendation off, there no reason to watch something that actively triggers you or the t1 fans.
But yet still your here and made a freshly new account just for that.
Faker was the only one to win the azir ori matchup as azir, i don't think he agrees that its a counter. I also think if you spend all your resources on faker then you will just get killed by the rest of t1, the fucker has carried with galio of all champs. For what benefit too? A fed mage? Useless role anyway which is why the top picks are all utility. You can try it game 1, but if you dont win you give it up immediately
Faker going to his 27th World's Final...
Thorin - "Is Rookie the GOAT!?"
LOL don't think so bud
This narrative faker can only play two champs is so wild 😂
I agree. He's just playing what's strongest or best suited to the way he wants to play lane or t1 want to structure their comp. If he's not forced away from the strongest champs, why switch?
It was actually a problem for them in the summer finals but I think that had a lot to do with him not getting that much prep time after coming back from his injury and will be just fine this time
i mean cadreal is pretty good entertainer to be honest but he is so energetic in this last weeks it very weird for me hooping he will come back to normal when worlds ends
CHA CHA CHUNKY CHUNKY
Addressing the weight cutting thing. Wresting has a good rule. You cant have less than a certain body fat %
I still dont understand this thought process that Kanavi was inting. Would you rather have Kanavi whos trying to make plays to try and win the game or have knight/369 who were 10000% invisible and got hard gapped by their counterparts.
The thing is, though, that Knight and 369 weren't invisible. They also had some plays, but weren't better on the day
I'd argue that other than game 2, 369 was worse than invisible, he was actively inting his team. Game 1 knight might be excusable because he's playing akali while his whole team is behind and it's hard to be impactful but in games 3/4 Faker hardcore gapped knight and therefore made knight look invisible
Kanavi solo lost the game what are you saying
3:02:05
What Thorin might not quite get @ 1:37:12 is idol culture is INCREDIBLY prevalent in Korea and other Asian countries.
Faker is the celebrities’s celebrity. BTS are fans of the man. Faker is much more than “ just a good LoL player”, he is very much a cultural icon.
cringe
Hydrobot is too funny but there's only 2 razors if you're a man. Bic 1 blade or 2 blade. Gilette if you're a self loathing man.
If wbg wins against t1 then nrg might have been the second best team at worlds?
Big Dhokes and Palafaker are actually the true best.
Dhokla is legit good, held his own against theshy and dominated bb.
Nah NRG got 3:0 by WBG in a very lopsided game 2/3 so they aren't better than any team that WBG beats unless WBG dumpster T1 3:0 even worse than NRG which doesn't seem possible. But somehow NA can cope and claim Dhokla > Bin lol
what nrg got curb stomped by wbg
@@davidyang5187 game 1 and 2 were competitive, 3 was a blowout. Lng vs t1 is closer to a stomp.
I liked the video overall but I think that making fun of the korean reporter for no real reason at (1:35:55) was kinda uncalled for. As a rookie reporter having a legendary player like Faker be the first person to treat you as part of the industry could mean a lot to a someone. You say that Faker is just someone who is good at video games but isn't that the same for literally every sport? Messi is just someone who is good at kicking the ball by your logic and people in Argentina(and also a lot of people around the world) almost treats him like a god and I've never seen anyone complain about that.
Thorin is kind of a drunk you run into in a tavern pub. Don't expect such finesse from him.
Like you never made any fun of anyone,
No need to try to be saint.
You're taking this waay too personally.
@@RumandCocaine Maybe I am being a bit sensitive but it just seems like a real dick move to openly make fun of a person for no reason in my eyes.
@@RumandCocaine I think the reporter is very wholesome and they just made fun of it for what reason again ?I felt like only monte only person in this channel who see think neutrally, both dom and thorin are simply Faker hater but T1 is wining with faker frontline so they can’t say Faker succ. Instead they bash the reporter who is fan of faker simply just because faker say hi and said “ ohhh , Faker is just a gamer and not a god etc “ well it’s true but at least he is decent human better than both of them with 0 trash talk
jesus why you take little things so seriously and make this like a some kind of revolution and try to make some kind of difference, while the content creator's have said that they literally don't even watch the chat or comments on videos. Only answer questions their patreons ask.
stop watching them if you get triggered, from little things, click the don't recommend this channel button.
I don't watch cadreal anymore as well because it has gotten to childish. I love his analytical side, but it has become too much slapstick.
So funny how narrow-minded Thorin is. He claims he doesn't hate on T1 players, while making outlandish criticism of faker (such as putting xiaohu's career over him) on Twitter. Everything he does is contradictory and it's so blatantly obvious he's a blind hater. He generalizes the T1 fanbase as entirely "toxic" and "cringe" when in reality it's only a select few of them being so vocal on the internet. And he takes the hate on the players. The majority of T1 fans are normal. I hope he finds peace in his heart. Much be sad living with so much hate ❤
Hes a flip flopping fraud changing opinions to whatever is fashionable and gets him clicks on twitter based on whoever is winning. This channel is only worth watching for Monte or IWD, but even he gets a bit hard to bear when he does the fake laughs so Thorin's jokes dont get awkward.
It will forever entertain me how intolerant people can be of others having different opinions :)
All hail the T1 gospel, may faker bless us all
@@michaelzhou4159 And it will forever entertain me how people fail to realize having an "opinion" that is so afar from reality is called being delusional. And being a public figure means you are judged for what you say. Case applies to what this guy is saying. But you're probably Chinese and you've been brainwashed with communist propaganda all throughout your life so I don't blame you :)
Chovy and Peanut are the best players to never win worlds. Stop coping
5 goats lol are on vacation
suspecting korean imports for intentionally throwing is ridiculuous. sure tarzan and kanavi played poorly, but you do realize lpl has only ever won worlds with korean imports carrying, and jdg won msi this year with kanavi and ruler on form. you cant just take credit for imports only when they do well...
You know it’s a joke right
2:45:17 omg
yeah caedrals stream is annoying as fuck but he is a very good caster
im sure the kicked him from T1 building just because of the trash screeming zoomer bs he did in the call with Dom!!! ok its just me wishful thinking...
I just wish he wouldn't lean so incredibly hard on the negativity and team bashing. Like ok we get it you love Wbg, but you don't have to keep bashing and memeing on their opponent, repeatedly calling them bad etc. He says he does it for memes, but it's just not funny, and hella repetitive and annoying imo.
@@rafayetrasti6191classical new generation take
" Your memeing hurts my feelings ;("
"Just be diverse and like everything or you know what be complete neutral and bland"
Where's my participation trophy while we are at it.
dont watch it then bro😂 whats wrong with u
@@RumandCocaine lmao "new generation take" when you're clearly just being too incredibly biased towards Caedrel to even begin to try to understand what I'm saying. I bet you didn't even think about what I wrote you're literally just "oh wow this guy said something even remotely negative about my favorite streamer I gotta be the hero and run in to defend him". My point is simple man, no need to get this butthurt I'm not saying he's a sht streamer in general but this aspect of him is definitely annoying AF imo.
That KKK story. Oh my god I lost it
I wanna see 2020 DWG vs 2023 JDG. As long as Ghost was on Aphelios...lol. Those imo are 2 of the best teams all-time.
only do a lower bracket if there's a grand finals if the winners side loses. T1 got screwed in spring because they never got a 2nd chance like every other team. It's quite unfair as it is right now in lpl and lck. FPX got screwed TWICE in both spring and summer 2021 by not getting a 2nd chance. Happend in the LEC and LCS too. Frankly stupid that winning more will give you a disadvantage and losing doesn't even hurt you in the end.
Riot probably thinks a bracket reset would take too long.
@@eFrog27 alright then do a bo1 takes it all then or something it won't take too long. losers bracket without grand finals is absolutely gross and ruins the format and competitive spirit.
you have to make your mind up, i love t1, but t1 was in both sides of the bracket and they lost, in spring they went through the winners bracket and the "excuse" was that geng played one more series so they had more practice, but the in summer, geng was the one in the winners bracket, and t1 played one more series, and overall games and then the "excuse" was that geng had more time to rest and prepare.
@@TheTdg97 his main point isnt even about t1 getting screwed, its EVERY upper bracket winner getting screwed. if you cant understand that its not fair to give everyone a second chance except for the upper bracket winner, then theres no need to discuss further.
@@TheTdg97 its irrespective of T1. If they beat gen.g this summer from losers it would be unfair to gen.g as well. winners side doesnt give you a 2nd chance like losers side does. i listed like 4 teams who got screwed it has nothing to do with T1 and everything to do with the current format of not having a grand finals. Im surprised there isn't more of a backlash to such a glaring issue.
Other teams have been closer to the golden road so idk what Thorin’s criteria for being the best all time is. No point in going to the playoffs if you don’t get the chip.
Only actually close team was skt in 2015, damwon lost msi and lost worlds, g2 get lucky that IG chokes overall that g2 roaster only knows how to beat t1 that year, who else was “close”? JDG won everything and was number one favourite even on odds geng wasn’t close
Dumbest take @@yegor576
@@yegor576 JDG choke at worlds just like last year what a surprise.
Maybe winning both splits of a stacked LPL season and the hardest MSI yet without losing a single playoff series, all while looking incredibly good. They were not that impressive this Worlds, but you can't erase the rest of the year. They are definitely among the best teams ever.
Oh I might forget rng 2018, they might be second closest after 2015 skt, maybe even more close cuz their only opponent was team that they already beat home, but they choke against heimer
People always talk about the goat. Once faker wins this worlds the talk is over. Maybe na and EU goats but not The goat. Perks better do well or his hurting his goat status.
it's okay. We understand you are upset because you lost money on JDG.
i assure u he does not care
@@DEVILONBOTHSHOULDERS Judging by the way he talks about T1, I think he does.
@@Shadowl He has aways talked like that.
You just either dont watch him or you dont listen.
He actially even praised T1.
@@Shadowlfirst time listening or do you just want to spam your nonsense comments for fun
Average T1 fan doesnt even realize that its fake money
naaah, I think no double elims on playoffs on worlds is good, 1 shot 1 chance, best of the best, the reason why it feels boring or empty because of the 1 week break scheduling, RIOT should fill those days on contents, podcast, recapp, highlights etc its the teams fault they lose and didnt give their best on the most crucial match during playoffs
you think 1 shot 1 chance is good until you get 1 bum team in finals borderline guaranteed. double elim is superior due to the warzone that is the losers bracket.
Agree. Double elims is for losers
@@combeebrian247#bringbackoldformat
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But we almost every time get shit finals or miss good machups.
Look at TI and how good it is.
I personally don't like double elims because you don't get a bracket reset in the finals which feels kinda unfair for the team that made the finals first
Dont worry! Korean ppl dont hate u guys😂
I think the heretics lineup would be really sick if perks went back to ADC and they kept Vetheo in mid.
I hope chovy in mid😂
Zeus is irreplaceable(his upside is of the roof) only kiin is a possibility but still. Oner only replaceable with Kanavi or maybe agent Tarzan, Faker is T1 so no, GUMA only with Viper, Keria is irreplaceable.
Oner has one year left so he won't be leaving and from what I've seen Guma seems to be really loyal to T1 so unless T1 decides to replace him (which probably won't happen judging by his constant good performances at worlds) he will resign. The real question is Zeus and Keria. If they win worlds they most likey will run it back but if they manage to lose in the finals again those two might not stay
Kiin is washed, Viper is rumored to be goin back to LPL w/ another LCK mid
I thought so too.. for T1 only jungle (and maybe top) is/(are) really replaceable
Zeus is quite insane and his versatile champ pool is part of T1s identity
Faker is T1s brand until he chooses to retire
Guma is the future of the brand - quiet, confident, consistent - he is the piece you build around
Keria is cracked, has good synergy with Guma and is super marketable attracting new fans to T1 and making content with his highlight plays
The problems is what happends if Zeus chokes again and they lose this finals.
The team is bild around Zeus and Guma carrying and if Zeus cant win you titles and Guma gets focused what do you do.
You either get a cary mid or change the toplaner.
You might get Doran and a carry jungler like Kanavi and have Doran weakside and Kanavi and Guma carying.
@@stefankatsarov5806 Doran isn't really any better when it comes to choking and there is no chance of them replacing Faker at all
T1 fans are still arguing about Kanavi didnt solo loss the entirety of game 4 is fucking crazy